You might have a hard time finding someone who got in on Red Hat's IPO invitation. Rumor has it they're all pretty rich now..all three of them.;) Bowie J. Poag
I really think we're all totally missing the big picture here..We're all getting pissed off about money. We really shouldn't be. When you step back and look at it, ignoring all the buzz and all the numbers, the money doesn't even matter. I mean, think about it..Did you get involved in Linux because you thought it would make you money? Or we doing all of this because you believe in the platform? For me, its the latter. I like Linux. Infact, I like it enough to devote some of my time to making it better.
What matters is, we're moving ahead. All of us. Not simply a bunch of guys who either got incredibly rich by pure luck or got rich by lying their way into an IPO. Sure, everybody loves the money..but getting rich isnt a necessary part (nor has it ever been a part) of the process of improving and strengthening Linux.
The fact that Red Hat's stock sits at $73/share right now isnt going to stop me from doing what I do, and making what I make. What the Linux community is doing right now is a necessary step on the way to dethroning Microsoft. Part of that means becoming a household name, which we're well on the way to doing. Somebody has to hit the beach first -- and for us, that happens to be Red Hat.
Were at the beginning of something big, not the end of something small.
..You were expecting something smart to come from a group of people who intentionally live in the path of tornadoes?:)
All I ever needed to know about "Creation Science" was from a video we were shown in Biology class back in high school. In order to be fair, we had the evolutionist viewpoint shown to us, followed by the creationist viewpoint on what happened during mass-extinction that occured on earth about 65 million years ago. I laughed so hard that I can remember the exact words of what was said in the video to this day:
"..About 4,000 years ago, a catastrophic flood wiped out many forms of life on Earth -- The fish were the first to die, follow by the....."
Somehow, I have a hard time buying the idea that fish are capable of drowning..:)
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If you are one of the people who were affected by LinuxBox's demise, we may be able to help you out. System 12 has room for about 20-30 small, community-related projects. While our own project wont be formally unveiled for another couple months, we can offer sanctuary on a temporary basis for those of you who need to get your projects back up on short notice.
System 12 is a community project funded by VA Linux Systems. We have a Dual P3/500 SMP box with 512MB RAM, and 36GB of space sitting on a rather fast connection. If we can help, send us a short email telling us who you are, the name of your project, a short description of what it is, and a way we might be able to reach, and we'll see what we can do to help.
Good luck,
Bowie J. Poag Project Manager, System 12 (http://system12.com)
Got e-mail from a guy at 3DFx like a week or so ago, asking my permission to use PROPAGANDA seamless tiles in the product demos theyre giving. Unfortunately, I wont be at the expo to see them in action, but if I were you, i'd look forward to such a demo.:)
You win by getting out, and making something of your life. There's nothing that burns a teacher more than to hear about a student who has done more within the span of a few short years than they have managed to do with their entire lives.
If something or someone else bothers you, you escape it, or destroy it. Take your pick. I really dont see why this is such a hard concept to grasp for some people.. Its like they think they have no other option but to sit there and let people beat on them incessantly.
Too much Barney, I guess.:)
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Heheh.. MOooo! I'm the Columbine Cow!
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Moooo! I'm the Columbine Cow! From the HELLMOUTH! Stop milking me, Katz! Mooooooo!
I say we blame high schools too. If they didnt exist, Columbine would have never happened. Yeah, thats the ticket. Duhhhhh.
Somehow, somewhere, about 10 years ago, the American public stopped looking at morons and idiots as exactly what they were -- morons, and idiots. Suddenly, they're became "misguided youth", "victims of the media" or "troubled children".
We are totally incapable of living with the idea that some individuals are just plain fucking stupid. Thats the most disturbing realization thats come out of all of this.
Its not the SEC stuff that bothers me. What bothers me, is the fact that E-Trade lied. I spoke with no less than three seperate operators on E-Trade's Red Hat IPO Hotline the very day I recieved my letter, and asked all three the same set of questions just to be sure I knew what I was getting into. One of those questions was, "You realize, the vast majority of us are college students, about 18-24 years old, with very little money, and very little investment experience. Is this going to be a factor when it comes to our eligibility?"..All three E*Trade operators said no, that the Eligibility Profile would have "no bearing at all" on our ability to at least participate.
That turned out to be a lie.
I've had an account with E-Trade since January -- I had damn near $7,000 in my account at the time I filled out the Eligibility Profile.. Hell, i've even traded on IPO stocks in the past!..My entire damn portfolio is always been made up of tech-sector/internet stocks. But yet, I failed E*Trade's eligibility profile. Now, it seems, the damn company has given people the green light for its customers to *lie* on the eligibility profile in order to get in. Fsck that, lying makes you just as bad as the assholes who require you to do so in the first place. I reserve the use of my middle finger for situations like these. I'd be real curious to hear from someone who did get past the eligibility profile without lying. I'd bet anyone five bucks to a donut that getting in without lying is impossible.
Silly me. I should have started trading high-tech stocks when I was four years old, and made my first million by age six.
I have to admit, this sounds more like scr1p+ k1dd13 tactics than anything else. Then again, the Chinese government is loony enough to do it anyway. Who knows.
"You cant stop us because we're already too big."..What horseshit. The MAPS board should treat NSI the same way as any other. If you abuse, you pay. I'd bet you five bucks to a donut that NSI would shut the hell up in a *hurry* if MAPS' board came back with an order to RBL them.
I'm all for it. NSI doesnt own the net. They just want you to believe they do.
"Protecting inexperienced people from getting in over their heads" is a crock.
I had $7,000 in my E-Trade account, which i've had, and have actively traded with for 6 months. Hell, i've even participated on trading IPO stocks..My entire portfolio is made up of tech-sector stocks. There was nothing I filled out in the elibility profile that could be construed as a mark against me, and I _still_ got rejected.
Perhaps the community should draft a letter inviting Red Hat and E-Trade to kiss our collective asses..Participation in the ass-kissing would be subject to an eligibility profile, of course.
Someone invites you to a party as a guest of honor.
You get dressed up.
You bring a date.
You look forward to it all week.
You tell your friends and your family about your good fortune.
The night of the party arrives, and you step out of your limo onto a beautiful red carpet.
You get to the door, and the doorman asks, "Have you ever been to one of our parties before?"
A voice in your head tells you to lie in order to get in, but you say "No" because you're an honest and good person who refuses to lie.
The doorman replies, "No? Hah, oh thats too bad! We feel so sorry for you..Really. Now get the hell off our doorstep, get back in your limo and go home, hippy."
I'm about this close to emailing Red Hat and inviting them to kiss my ass. However, they'de be ineligible to participate in kissing my ass since they've never kissed it before, or lack sufficient experience in kissing asses, or they're related to someone who has kissed my ass in the past.
If telling the truth makes me ineligible to participate, fine with me. E-Trade, and whoever else wants me to lie in order to participate in something I helped build in the first place can form a line to the left behind Red Hat and pucker up. Its reeeeeally, really hard for me to believe that Red Hat didn't know this was going to happen ahead of time. I'll hold off on emailing Red Hat an invitiation to kiss my ass until I know more about this royal screw job.
Why stop there, Cisco? Why not build and sell devices who's sole purpose is to ping-flood and mail bomb your competitors?
Somebody should dump 5,000 barrels of petroleum tar into Cisco's parking lot and see how much they enjoy being "slowed down" by someone else.
This is what happens when the suits, marketing bozos and other parasites get involved in things they really have no business in. I dont think I need to convince anybody that giving marketing people a controlling hand in how a network performs (and ignoring the engineers in the process) is a bad idea..If marketing people were allowed to design cars, we'd all be driving coal-powered tricycles that only ran on tuesdays.
When people who don't belong in a particular situation become involved in a way which changes the nature of how it functions, the system begins to decay. It becomes corrupt, and ends up being twisted into something that it was never intended to be. Don't believe me? Have a look at the judicial system..the music industry.. Or hell, just look at MS-DOS.:) Now you can add the internet to the body count, if Cisco or companies with the same intentions have their way. Questions about wether or not it would even be _legal_ for Cisco to do such a thing aside, the fact that they're even considering it speaks volumes about the company, and their ethics...or lack thereof.
The very day I recieved my IPO invitation from Red Hat, I called E-Trade's Red Hat IPO Hotline and asked them a series of questions..One of the questions was, "You realize, that pretty much all of us are 18-24 year olds with very little money, very little trading experience, and very little net worth...How is this "eligibility profile" going to affect our ability to participate?" , and I was told by no less than three separate operators that day that the eligibility profile would have absolutely no bearing on our ability to participate. That story quickly changed within the next 2-3 days to, "Sorry, you wont be allowed to participate. SEC rules."
When I began to hear stories of people being rejected via the eligibility profile, I called back and asked "Is there anything legally binding us to tell the truth on this eligibility profile?"..Their answer was "Technically, no. However, if we found out about it, we would probably freeze your assets, recover any money you made from the IPO, and possibly get the SEC involved." Now, E-Trade says "We dont perform background checks."
E-Trade is not giving you permission to lie. I dont think E-Trade is a bad company either.. I just think they got caught with their pants down when trying to handle all of us. No big deal, shit happens, and E-Trade is well within their right to change their mind..either in our favor, or not in our favor.
Given all the noise about this eligibility profile, I've held off on indicating my interest, in hopes that E-Trade would clarify their stance on the issue. Thankfully, I dont have to indicate my interest until August 7th, which give the situation some time to develop. When I do fill it out, i'm not going to lie, either. I suggest you do the same..There may be hell to pay if E-Trade *does* decide to start looking into your financial history.
Ahh, good.. I was waiting for this. I had the good luck of being able to sit in on an SGI non-disclosure agreement demo back in December of last year when this was being discussed.. Glad to see they finally came through on what they were promising.:)
Well, at least AOL has a cluepon when it comes to being able to read Microsoft's intentions nowadays. The whole spat over messaging is a prime example of Microsoft using the 3 E's to get ahead, and AOL knows it, thankfully.
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You might have a hard time finding someone who got in on Red Hat's IPO invitation. Rumor has it they're all pretty rich now..all three of them. ;)
Bowie J. Poag
I really think we're all totally missing the big picture here..We're all getting pissed off about money. We really shouldn't be. When you step back and look at it, ignoring all the buzz and all the numbers, the money doesn't even matter. I mean, think about it..Did you get involved in Linux because you thought it would make you money? Or we doing all of this because you believe in the platform? For me, its the latter. I like Linux. Infact, I like it enough to devote some of my time to making it better.
What matters is, we're moving ahead. All of us. Not simply a bunch of guys who either got incredibly rich by pure luck or got rich by lying their way into an IPO. Sure, everybody loves the money..but getting rich isnt a necessary part (nor has it ever been a part) of the process of improving and strengthening Linux.
The fact that Red Hat's stock sits at $73/share right now isnt going to stop me from doing what I do, and making what I make. What the Linux community is doing right now is a necessary step on the way to dethroning Microsoft. Part of that means becoming a household name, which we're well on the way to doing. Somebody has to hit the beach first -- and for us, that happens to be Red Hat.
Were at the beginning of something big, not the end of something small.
Bowie
Founder, System 12 / PROPAGANDA
Bowie J. Poag
..You were expecting something smart to come from a group of people who intentionally live in the path of tornadoes?
All I ever needed to know about "Creation Science" was from a video we were shown in Biology class back in high school. In order to be fair, we had the evolutionist viewpoint shown to us, followed by the creationist viewpoint on what happened during mass-extinction that occured on earth about 65 million years ago. I laughed so hard that I can remember the exact words of what was said in the video to this day:
"..About 4,000 years ago, a catastrophic flood wiped out many forms of life on Earth -- The fish were the first to die, follow by the....."
Somehow, I have a hard time buying the idea that fish are capable of drowning..
Bowie
PROPAGANDA
Bowie J. Poag
If you are one of the people who were affected by LinuxBox's demise, we may be able to help you out. System 12 has room for about 20-30 small, community-related projects. While our own project wont be formally unveiled for another couple months, we can offer sanctuary on a temporary basis for those of you who need to get your projects back up on short notice.
System 12 is a community project funded by VA Linux Systems. We have a Dual P3/500 SMP box with 512MB RAM, and 36GB of space sitting on a rather fast connection. If we can help, send us a short email telling us who you are, the name of your project, a short description of what it is, and a way we might be able to reach, and we'll see what we can do to help.
Good luck,
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, System 12 (http://system12.com)
Bowie J. Poag
Apparently the new specification was outlined by Mushmouth from the Fat Albert cartoon. No thanks.. I'll pass on this one.
Bowie
Bowie J. Poag
Got e-mail from a guy at 3DFx like a week or so ago, asking my permission to use PROPAGANDA seamless tiles in the product demos theyre giving. Unfortunately, I wont be at the expo to see them in action, but if I were you, i'd look forward to such a demo. :)
Bowie
PROPAGANDA
Bowie J. Poag
You win by getting out, and making something of your life. There's nothing that burns a teacher more than to hear about a student who has done more within the span of a few short years than they have managed to do with their entire lives.
:)
If something or someone else bothers you, you escape it, or destroy it. Take your pick. I really dont see why this is such a hard concept to grasp for some people.. Its like they think they have no other option but to sit there and let people beat on them incessantly.
Too much Barney, I guess.
Bowie
Bowie J. Poag
Moooo! I'm the Columbine Cow! From the HELLMOUTH! Stop milking me, Katz! Mooooooo!
Hehehe,
Bowie
Bowie J. Poag
"Oh, my teachers are so unfair to me!"
"Oh, my school is run by people who abuse our rights!"
"Oh help me, they've hurt my inner child!"
The 90's are over. We can all quit whining now.
Bowie J. Poag
Yeah, thats the ticket. Lets blame guns.
I say we blame high schools too. If they didnt exist, Columbine would have never happened. Yeah, thats the ticket. Duhhhhh.
Somehow, somewhere, about 10 years ago, the American public stopped looking at morons and idiots as exactly what they were -- morons, and idiots. Suddenly, they're became "misguided youth", "victims of the media" or "troubled children".
We are totally incapable of living with the idea that some individuals are just plain fucking stupid. Thats the most disturbing realization thats come out of all of this.
Bowie
Bowie J. Poag
Its not the SEC stuff that bothers me. What bothers me, is the fact that E-Trade lied. I spoke with no less than three seperate operators on E-Trade's Red Hat IPO Hotline the very day I recieved my letter, and asked all three the same set of questions just to be sure I knew what I was getting into. One of those questions was, "You realize, the vast majority of us are college students, about 18-24 years old, with very little money, and very little investment experience. Is this going to be a factor when it comes to our eligibility?"
That turned out to be a lie.
I've had an account with E-Trade since January -- I had damn near $7,000 in my account at the time I filled out the Eligibility Profile.. Hell, i've even traded on IPO stocks in the past!..My entire damn portfolio is always been made up of tech-sector/internet stocks. But yet, I failed E*Trade's eligibility profile. Now, it seems, the damn company has given people the green light for its customers to *lie* on the eligibility profile in order to get in. Fsck that, lying makes you just as bad as the assholes who require you to do so in the first place. I reserve the use of my middle finger for situations like these. I'd be real curious to hear from someone who did get past the eligibility profile without lying. I'd bet anyone five bucks to a donut that getting in without lying is impossible.
Silly me. I should have started trading high-tech stocks when I was four years old, and made my first million by age six.
Bowie
PROPAGANDA
Bowie J. Poag
Now who's gonna clean up the mess? :)
Bowie
PROPAGANDA
I have to admit, this sounds more like scr1p+ k1dd13 tactics than anything else. Then again, the Chinese government is loony enough to do it anyway. Who knows.
"You cant stop us because we're already too big." ..What horseshit. The MAPS board should treat NSI the same way as any other. If you abuse, you pay. I'd bet you five bucks to a donut that NSI would shut the hell up in a *hurry* if MAPS' board came back with an order to RBL them.
I'm all for it. NSI doesnt own the net. They just want you to believe they do.
Bowie
(grin)
Right on.
Bowie
PROPAGANDA
I hear that a portion of that guy's remains will be aboard the thing which crashes into the moon. Talk about an expensive burial. ;)
Bowie
PROPAGANDA
One of the questions I asked E-Trade originally was, "How many people got this invitation letter?". ...E-Trade's response was "8,000 people."
"Protecting inexperienced people from getting in over their heads" is a crock.
I had $7,000 in my E-Trade account, which i've had, and have actively traded with for 6 months. Hell, i've even participated on trading IPO stocks..My entire portfolio is made up of tech-sector stocks. There was nothing I filled out in the elibility profile that could be construed as a mark against me, and I _still_ got rejected.
Perhaps the community should draft a letter inviting Red Hat and E-Trade to kiss our collective asses..Participation in the ass-kissing would be subject to an eligibility profile, of course.
Bowie
PROPAGANDA
Someone invites you to a party as a guest of honor.
You get dressed up.
You bring a date.
You look forward to it all week.
You tell your friends and your family about your good fortune.
The night of the party arrives, and you step out of your limo onto a beautiful red carpet.
You get to the door, and the doorman asks, "Have you ever been to one of our parties before?"
A voice in your head tells you to lie in order to get in, but you say "No" because you're an honest and good person who refuses to lie.
The doorman replies, "No? Hah, oh thats too bad! We feel so sorry for you..Really. Now get the hell off our doorstep, get back in your limo and go home, hippy."
I'm about this close to emailing Red Hat and inviting them to kiss my ass. However, they'de be ineligible to participate in kissing my ass since they've never kissed it before, or lack sufficient experience in kissing asses, or they're related to someone who has kissed my ass in the past.
If telling the truth makes me ineligible to participate, fine with me. E-Trade, and whoever else wants me to lie in order to participate in something I helped build in the first place can form a line to the left behind Red Hat and pucker up. Its reeeeeally, really hard for me to believe that Red Hat didn't know this was going to happen ahead of time. I'll hold off on emailing Red Hat an invitiation to kiss my ass until I know more about this royal screw job.
Bowie
PROPAGANDA
Why stop there, Cisco? Why not build and sell devices who's sole purpose is to ping-flood and mail bomb your competitors?
:) Now you can add the internet to the body count, if Cisco or companies with the same intentions have their way. Questions about wether or not it would even be _legal_ for Cisco to do such a thing aside, the fact that they're even considering it speaks volumes about the company, and their ethics...or lack thereof.
:)
Somebody should dump 5,000 barrels of petroleum tar into Cisco's parking lot and see how much they enjoy being "slowed down" by someone else.
This is what happens when the suits, marketing bozos and other parasites get involved in things they really have no business in. I dont think I need to convince anybody that giving marketing people a controlling hand in how a network performs (and ignoring the engineers in the process) is a bad idea..If marketing people were allowed to design cars, we'd all be driving coal-powered tricycles that only ran on tuesdays.
When people who don't belong in a particular situation become involved in a way which changes the nature of how it functions, the system begins to decay. It becomes corrupt, and ends up being twisted into something that it was never intended to be. Don't believe me? Have a look at the judicial system..the music industry.. Or hell, just look at MS-DOS.
Oh well. Theres always Juniper Networks.
Bowie
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FYI,
..Their answer was "Technically, no. However, if we found out about it, we would probably freeze your assets, recover any money you made from the IPO, and possibly get the SEC involved." Now, E-Trade says "We dont perform background checks."
The very day I recieved my IPO invitation from Red Hat, I called E-Trade's Red Hat IPO Hotline and asked them a series of questions..One of the questions was, "You realize, that pretty much all of us are 18-24 year olds with very little money, very little trading experience, and very little net worth...How is this "eligibility profile" going to affect our ability to participate?" , and I was told by no less than three separate operators that day that the eligibility profile would have absolutely no bearing on our ability to participate. That story quickly changed within the next 2-3 days to, "Sorry, you wont be allowed to participate. SEC rules."
When I began to hear stories of people being rejected via the eligibility profile, I called back and asked "Is there anything legally binding us to tell the truth on this eligibility profile?"
E-Trade is not giving you permission to lie. I dont think E-Trade is a bad company either.. I just think they got caught with their pants down when trying to handle all of us. No big deal, shit happens, and E-Trade is well within their right to change their mind..either in our favor, or not in our favor.
Given all the noise about this eligibility profile, I've held off on indicating my interest, in hopes that E-Trade would clarify their stance on the issue. Thankfully, I dont have to indicate my interest until August 7th, which give the situation some time to develop. When I do fill it out, i'm not going to lie, either. I suggest you do the same..There may be hell to pay if E-Trade *does* decide to start looking into your financial history.
Bowie
Ahh, good.. I was waiting for this. I had the good luck of being able to sit in on an SGI non-disclosure agreement demo back in December of last year when this was being discussed.. Glad to see they finally came through on what they were promising. :)
Bowie
PROPAGANDA
I didn't write Tuxowulf -- I only posted the URL for it, after seeing it mentioned on EFNet #e. Someone else deserves the credit for this gem.
Bowie
PROPAGANDA
Well, at least AOL has a cluepon when it comes to being able to read Microsoft's intentions nowadays. The whole spat over messaging is a prime example of Microsoft using the 3 E's to get ahead, and AOL knows it, thankfully.
Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish.
Bowie
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