...Which, in my view, anyway, is that it is CONTROLLED ANARCHY. The controlled part comes from the GNU GPL forcing anyone who forks the kernel or any other software to release their changes, and prevents them from making it the "one true Linux". The anarchy part comes from the fact that you are welcome to do whatever you want to it, because no central authority, such as Linus, is going to stop you from doing it. The way I see it is, who cares if an industry consortium wants to "take over" the Linux kernel? Anyone is free to do so, and, hey, if you are doing it and making money off of it, then more power to you! If they feel like Linus's version of the kernel is not meeting their needs, all they need to do is make their own version of the kernel to meet their requirements.
One of the responses of OSS projects to people demanding new features has always been "You have the source, go code it yourself," which I believe applies here very well.
AFAIK, Linus has considered Linux as a hobby from the beginning, which seems like a sensible attitude, since maintaining GPL'd software was never meant to be a full time job.
If someone is trained primarily, or exclusively, on one OS, what makes you think it would be easy for them to set up a cluster on a foreign OS?
Umm... well, that's the whole point. This is an announcement of software that would make it EASY to set up a cluster, so that one who is young or one who is trained in a foreign OS can set it up without too much trouble. Where's the bashing of MCSEs that you speak of? Unless they don't know that they are trained in Windows...
'Supercomputer on a CD' software is supposed to make it so easy to put a Beowulf cluster together a high school student or MCSE can do it in a few hours
I, as a high school student, this comparison leaves me deeply insulted by this jab at our collective intelligence. This is an unfair and cheap shot at us, and as a 10th grader, I demand an apology from the Slashdot crew! Hell, the MCSE at my school was panicking after tech support for the firewall-in-a-box got him to cut off the web cam from outside access. Five minutes and a few remote logins to the firewall and webcam later, I had it all fixed up. Gimme a break.
When a stranger who doesn't know Linux calls colleagues criminals, I don't get offended.
Wow, you have more self control than I do. If someone accused me of being a criminal for something so innocous, I would be deeply offended. I don't mind harmless ignorance, but when people start to harm your reputation, that's where I draw the line.
In a valiant attempt to stay on topic, I believe that the BSD community was wrong to flame Tucows for inaccuracies in their articles. They were BSD newbies, and I can't see how saying things like "BSD is under the GPL" is wholly harmful to the BSD community. If they make a mistake, do what you should do with any newbie: point out their mistake, IN A KIND MANNER, and show them how to correct it. ITS THAT SIMPLE.
Many thanks to slashdot user Procyon101 for this link I found buried in some replys to an earlier thread. Just thought I'd post it with a +2 initial score.
For those of you too lazy to wade through all the Talkback comments, your friend electricmonk has kindly sorted through all of the crap to bring you the absolute best, most relevant (Linux flame) post out there.
Enjoy:)
Name: Tom Seiler
Email: tommmmmm79@hotmail.com
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
Occupation: webmaster
Linus, instead of wasting your time trying to improve your toy operating system why don't you write some applications?
Your operating system is basically worthless without programs to run. Of course I realize if there actually were programs to run on Linux then it might crash.
It is not the operating system that is the point of computing, it is the programs. Too bad the Linux fools don't realize that.
Wow, that's a troll that would put the first-posters here on Slashdot to shame:)
Um... excuse me, but it seems that you have resorted to insults instead of valid arguments to refute this guy's statements. He has just provided evidence on a third party's site that at least part of the article was completely ripped off. And I'm inclined to believe that the rest was too.
Also, it is awfully strange that someone who just happened to see a cool article on some site would be so zealous in defending the authenticity of the article if they didn't have a vested interest in the article being credible. I sure hope you have good lawyers, because it looks like you're going to be a defendant in a lawsuit pretty soon...
Hopefully holiday traffic will be light enough that we can all share the bandwidth to the mirrors.
Mirrors? Are you kidding me? Kernel.org has a huge amount of donated bandwidth, I don't think they're going to suffer from the "Slashdot effect" anytime soon. In fact, on their homepage, they say that their current bandwidth utilization is 25.52Mbits, hardly even a third of their available bandwidth.
I'm sick of all the people whining about how "freenet is hard to use, that's why it's unpopular" or "Java sucks! Wah Waaah Wah!" or, the MOST common, "Napster/Gnutella already does this, why should they bother?"
Freenet is not just a program, its laying the groundwork for a *standard* to anonymously use and contribute to the Internet. Its a platform, folks, not just an application. Think about it, freenet can be used for more than just your standard war3z, pr0n, and mp3z that currently populate Napster and Gnutella. In the future, you could use it for anything from web browsing, to whatever your imagination can create. All that stands in the way is your willingness and ability to code new and different ways of using the Freenet protocol. And that's what the Freenet Project needs right now, anyway.
So please, stop whining and start helping instead, if it interests you enough to complain.
It appears to also be a programming language. It's pretty interesting, too, as it proclaims to be somewhere between the efficiency of C (which he likens to machine logic) and the ease of use of Lisp (which he likens to human logic). You can find the details at the philosophy section of his site.
1: Mac OS X: Last year's winner of the Vaporware Awards was Microsoft for Windows 2000, the oft-delayed update to Windows. This year, the crown passes to Apple, for Mac OS X, the oft-delayed update to the Mac OS.
This is ridiculous! Apple has consistently said that they would release OS X client in January of 2001! Since when did they ever promise earlier?
I'd like to know if the 'kewl' thing in school is still football and cheerleading, or if computers have managed to grab a small foothold in all that is cool.
Bwahahahaha! Sorry man, but, speaking as someone who is living it, some things never change. Hell, we all considered it a miracle that a girl actually signed up for AP Computer Science AB this year. I guess that IS progress of some sort... but not the kind you talk about.
. I know my fave was Capsella because of the motors and gears, but there was always a big box of Legos in my house, too.
Oh my God, dude! I still have a box of those somewhere in my house! Sure, I'm 15, but I remember playing with my Capsela creations for hours back in the day. Although it kinda got annoying when the voice activated stuff wouldn't listen to you half the time...
No, actually, at its inception (sometime in the 20's or 30's), QWERTY was designed to actually slow people down, to prevent jams and other mishaps that were associated with fast typing on one of those old typewriters. Notice that all but one vowel is located somewhere other than on the "home" keys, for example.
If your CC number is stolen, just call the Credit Card company and have them cancel the charges. The only people who lose any money in thefts like these is the CC companies themselves, because it is actually cheaper to let things like this slide than it is to pursue legal action or even track the people down. And, frankly, I don't think I will be crying for them any time soon.
This seems counterproductive, in my opinion. They could have just as easily contributed to the TrustedBSD project. If they had done that, then their code could have actually been used in more than just one operating system, instead of just Linux, due to the incompatibilities between the GPL and the BSD license.
...you could always use Mosix. Its a clustering implementation that doesn't require the special optimization of code or a recompile like PVM and other tools do.
I dropped out of high-school about a year later (and I'm making more money now as a 17 year old Sysadmin than any of my teachers ever have or will).
My friend recently did the same thing, too, after getting fed up with all the bullshit he had to put up with at a public school. This is the same year, incidentally, where he took the VB course, where the teacher was too busy reading the "VB for Dummies" book during class to answer students' questions;-).
Of course, there were many other things, like getting blamed for his teacher's computer crashing, or having all his activity on the Web monitored in the library by some drone with PC Anywhere...
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...Which, in my view, anyway, is that it is CONTROLLED ANARCHY. The controlled part comes from the GNU GPL forcing anyone who forks the kernel or any other software to release their changes, and prevents them from making it the "one true Linux". The anarchy part comes from the fact that you are welcome to do whatever you want to it, because no central authority, such as Linus, is going to stop you from doing it. The way I see it is, who cares if an industry consortium wants to "take over" the Linux kernel? Anyone is free to do so, and, hey, if you are doing it and making money off of it, then more power to you! If they feel like Linus's version of the kernel is not meeting their needs, all they need to do is make their own version of the kernel to meet their requirements.
One of the responses of OSS projects to people demanding new features has always been "You have the source, go code it yourself," which I believe applies here very well.
AFAIK, Linus has considered Linux as a hobby from the beginning, which seems like a sensible attitude, since maintaining GPL'd software was never meant to be a full time job.
Well, I know that (I'm in 10th grade, actually), but I was trying to speak in the context of what was in the story that was posted.
Umm... well, that's the whole point. This is an announcement of software that would make it EASY to set up a cluster, so that one who is young or one who is trained in a foreign OS can set it up without too much trouble. Where's the bashing of MCSEs that you speak of? Unless they don't know that they are trained in Windows...
Sheesh, stop trolling.
I love it. You have have the unique skill of conveying sarcasm through text :-)
I, as a high school student, this comparison leaves me deeply insulted by this jab at our collective intelligence. This is an unfair and cheap shot at us, and as a 10th grader, I demand an apology from the Slashdot crew! Hell, the MCSE at my school was panicking after tech support for the firewall-in-a-box got him to cut off the web cam from outside access. Five minutes and a few remote logins to the firewall and webcam later, I had it all fixed up. Gimme a break.
Wow, you have more self control than I do. If someone accused me of being a criminal for something so innocous, I would be deeply offended. I don't mind harmless ignorance, but when people start to harm your reputation, that's where I draw the line.
In a valiant attempt to stay on topic, I believe that the BSD community was wrong to flame Tucows for inaccuracies in their articles. They were BSD newbies, and I can't see how saying things like "BSD is under the GPL" is wholly harmful to the BSD community. If they make a mistake, do what you should do with any newbie: point out their mistake, IN A KIND MANNER, and show them how to correct it. ITS THAT SIMPLE.
Sheesh
Go here
Many thanks to slashdot user Procyon101 for this link I found buried in some replys to an earlier thread. Just thought I'd post it with a +2 initial score.
Name: Tom Seiler
Email: tommmmmm79@hotmail.com
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
Occupation: webmaster
Linus, instead of wasting your time trying to improve your toy operating system why don't you write some applications?
Your operating system is basically worthless without programs to run. Of course I realize if there actually were programs to run on Linux then it might crash.
It is not the operating system that is the point of computing, it is the programs. Too bad the Linux fools don't realize that.
Wow, that's a troll that would put the first-posters here on Slashdot to shame :)
LOL, long live the BOFH!
Um... excuse me, but it seems that you have resorted to insults instead of valid arguments to refute this guy's statements. He has just provided evidence on a third party's site that at least part of the article was completely ripped off. And I'm inclined to believe that the rest was too.
Also, it is awfully strange that someone who just happened to see a cool article on some site would be so zealous in defending the authenticity of the article if they didn't have a vested interest in the article being credible. I sure hope you have good lawyers, because it looks like you're going to be a defendant in a lawsuit pretty soon...
Mirrors? Are you kidding me? Kernel.org has a huge amount of donated bandwidth, I don't think they're going to suffer from the "Slashdot effect" anytime soon. In fact, on their homepage, they say that their current bandwidth utilization is 25.52Mbits, hardly even a third of their available bandwidth.
I'm sick of all the people whining about how "freenet is hard to use, that's why it's unpopular" or "Java sucks! Wah Waaah Wah!" or, the MOST common, "Napster/Gnutella already does this, why should they bother?"
Freenet is not just a program, its laying the groundwork for a *standard* to anonymously use and contribute to the Internet. Its a platform, folks, not just an application. Think about it, freenet can be used for more than just your standard war3z, pr0n, and mp3z that currently populate Napster and Gnutella. In the future, you could use it for anything from web browsing, to whatever your imagination can create. All that stands in the way is your willingness and ability to code new and different ways of using the Freenet protocol. And that's what the Freenet Project needs right now, anyway.
So please, stop whining and start helping instead, if it interests you enough to complain.
Yup, and you could use this nifty little device to patch the whole thing in. Not that bad, if you ask me.
If, eh? Think very carefully about where you are posting this... then, think of all the crap you hear about e-business...
Anyway, it doesn't matter much to me, you are just another karma-whoring troll, as most of your posts have evidenced in the past.
It appears to also be a programming language. It's pretty interesting, too, as it proclaims to be somewhere between the efficiency of C (which he likens to machine logic) and the ease of use of Lisp (which he likens to human logic). You can find the details at the philosophy section of his site.
This is ridiculous! Apple has consistently said that they would release OS X client in January of 2001! Since when did they ever promise earlier?
Bwahahahaha! Sorry man, but, speaking as someone who is living it, some things never change. Hell, we all considered it a miracle that a girl actually signed up for AP Computer Science AB this year. I guess that IS progress of some sort... but not the kind you talk about.
Oh my God, dude! I still have a box of those somewhere in my house! Sure, I'm 15, but I remember playing with my Capsela creations for hours back in the day. Although it kinda got annoying when the voice activated stuff wouldn't listen to you half the time...
No, actually, at its inception (sometime in the 20's or 30's), QWERTY was designed to actually slow people down, to prevent jams and other mishaps that were associated with fast typing on one of those old typewriters. Notice that all but one vowel is located somewhere other than on the "home" keys, for example.
If your CC number is stolen, just call the Credit Card company and have them cancel the charges. The only people who lose any money in thefts like these is the CC companies themselves, because it is actually cheaper to let things like this slide than it is to pursue legal action or even track the people down. And, frankly, I don't think I will be crying for them any time soon.
Alan Cox doesn't like it, but Alan Cox doesn't call the shots here.
You silly Linux people. Always pulling out your Alan Cox at the last minute.
This seems counterproductive, in my opinion. They could have just as easily contributed to the TrustedBSD project. If they had done that, then their code could have actually been used in more than just one operating system, instead of just Linux, due to the incompatibilities between the GPL and the BSD license.
My friend recently did the same thing, too, after getting fed up with all the bullshit he had to put up with at a public school. This is the same year, incidentally, where he took the VB course, where the teacher was too busy reading the "VB for Dummies" book during class to answer students' questions ;-).
Of course, there were many other things, like getting blamed for his teacher's computer crashing, or having all his activity on the Web monitored in the library by some drone with PC Anywhere...
You know, like the Bastard Operator From Hell, only teaching Computer Science. It sure sounds like something right out of an episode of the BOFH...