yeah. but we are also green/socialist community minded pacifists.
hint: why some prefer guntoting eric and others free as in beer stallman.
coders/geeks can not be put into a camp with an ideology. We DO tend to aver and eschew traditional republican and democratic party lines and flock to alternatives that fit out worldview and morality, but some of fear BIG GUMMANINT/KarlMarx and some of us fear BIG BIDNESS/AynRand.
ESR can not speak for us on anything other than coding. He should shut his YAP on anything else.
Agree. MacOS is really designed to hide stuf fro mthe user, but Apple did leave good hooks into the OS (3rd party extentions) and Mac is very easy to code for. Just because I am NOT a coder (though I play one in my study) I use pretty low end stuff (but these are cheap). Real Basic provides a great intro to coding on the Mac. Also, just for kicks, AppleScript is a pretty capable scripting agent and you can write something similar to batch routines for tedious or repetive or scheduled tasks.
Code Warrior (expensive) is a good, flexible tool, but if you are interested in how the Mac handles apps a great start is to play with ResEdit. (Just always play with a copy of the file/app you want to edit. Poking aroung a copy of the Finder is a blast.)
But War of the Roses is watered down (VERY watered down) version of Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf. WAoVW is MUCH darker, and funnier, and quite damned scary.
Agree on the draggable screens, but not on the "difficulty of getting to Mac OS (even Classic's)workings. RedEdit _is_ simple even for the neophyte, and you can edit ANY system or program resource file.
As for Uniformity of Operation, I am only a novice (and fan) of the Amiga, but the Mac OS is easily as consistent with Menus/Widgets/Commands.
Agree that Amiga did get "right in the middle" between geeky and easy. Mac erred on the simple side, Linux errs on the geeks.
Mac market share has been growing. They are a long way from the dark days of 97-98. They have (almost exactly) the same market share and growth trajectory as another of my favorite (think penguin) OSs.
The only OS _losing_ share right now id Win. At the hands of MANY players.
OK. The spleen is not required for proper functioning of the body. An old college room-mate of mine had to have a SPLENECTOMY due to a (very bad) auto accident). Spleen ruptured. He is ok, though.
Maybe I move too much. Nothing beats having the boxes about. Rather than a box of loose CDs and floppies, you could just grab the boxes, package them. The boxes store nicely.
Maybe it is the SW I buy, but the boxes are VERY useful. For examply, for my last system purchase:
Quark XPress (Big manuals, sm guides, CD, Floppy) Photoshop (manual, CD, kb shortcuts, fliers) Illustrator (manual, guide, kb shortcuts, CD) Flash (manual, CD) Dreamweaver (manual, cd) Fireworks (manual, CD) Painter (cool can) (manual_s_ , CD) Mac OS 9 (just a CD and a few fliers/info sheets) Conflict catcher (manual, cd, update cert)
After installing and making backup cd-r of the install CDs, I put the original CD in the box, with all docs. Receipts, in the box. Wrote the serial #s down on a separate slip of ppr and put this in the box. Put the manuals back in the boxes. Put the boxes on the top shelf of bookcase. Everything is tidy. Have had ZERO lost paperwork.
Beleive me, you do not want to lose any paperwork on SW. (Lost a serial # for Photoshop once.)
They are handy storage, not just big colorful packaging. I thought I would see a similar comment above, but guessed wrong!
Also, this does not take into account mean time to failure. I would love to see studies, if just to confirm my anecdotal experience, showing mtf between standard PCs and Macs.
Like I said, I have NEVER seen Apple HW fail. Have had many Macs oer the years, and a couple three PCs. The PCs all crapped out within a matter of 2 years. I still have Centris and SE/30, all original parts, all without a single failure.
Preaching to the choir here. I still bleed in 6 colors. But even according to Mac Addict tests the 1GHZ Athlon beats the 500 MHz G4, even with Altivec enabled. Yes, the 500 G4 would stomp all over even an 800 MHz Athlon...but fair is fair. Apple lost the speed crown.
This says nothing about their totally superior HW, though.
wrong. i have three words. complete hardware integration. i have never had 1) an irq setting problem. 2) hardware fry on me 3) ide/ata cards blow on my macs. have had bad hw is every pc i bought, and i NEVER bought off brand stuff.
They still make the best hw. not the fastest chips mind you, but the best hw in terms of life of svc.
Is that any better than producing "art" while at the beck and call of the masses? The decline of art follows from the commercialization of it/decline of the patronage system. Maybe some re-institutionalization of patronage is necessary. I do not make alot of cash...but more of it goes toward Mozart than Metallica any day. The signal-to-noise ratio is only getting worse. It was hard to believe (in 1980) anything could possibly be worse than the BeeGees. But Brittany Spears and Hanson proved me wrong.
They are awesome for energy efficiency. They, however, give off really bad light. Like most Flourescent light bulbs, they operate at a freq that can be bad for people who get migranes/SAD, etc.
Plus, the light from them is ugly. Compare to a full spectrum bulb. Plus, you can not do proper color correction working under those things.
"I wonder if they would have thought they could get away with this had it been 'You're black and we don't want the racists to break our windows so we ain't selling you an account.'
This is not anything like racism. I am not saying I agree with the ISP. But an ISP that bans African Americans is different than one that bans xtian or other fundie groups. The essence of discrimination is not in the judgement of a SOCIAL group...but the pre-judgement of a biological group.
Noone chose to be born black or a woman or indian. Therefore it is wrong to discriminate on that basis. People DO choose to become fundies, skinheads, etc. And there is nothing wrong with refusing service to such groups. I can refuse to serve bloods and crips (as gang members) but can not refuse service African Americans as a race.
Tough luck fot the site. But standing up for the coices ONE MAKES of their OWN FREE WILL is different than living in a racist society that discriminates against something YOU COULD NOT CHOOSE FOR OR AGAINST.
I hate these comparisons to racism...think about your analogies before use.
Corrections: "yeah, and you can ride your bike like what, 2 months out of the year in Chicago? (I'm talking June and September - the rest of the year it's either too hot or too cold or too rainy)."
I ride April-June and Sept-Oct. Rest of the time it is the El for me. If you are a wuss about weather, live elsewhere.
"Now, I'm not talking recreational riding. Sure, get on your slicks, and hop some mud in the rain."
As often as I can.
"But try biking to work in a suit and tie in August when it's 100 degrees, 99% humidity -it's just not a realistic option for most people. "
Agree. Ride the El or the Metra instead.
"Maybe you don't have to wear a tie to your Baskin-Robbins job, "
Why the insult? Tech sales and program manager for very large telco education provider. But we are jeans/casual attire.
"(I don't to mycomputer job), "
trade insults...what you make ethernet cables for your IT dept?
"but a lot of people, most people, still do."
Many do not wears suits anymore. It is all dockers and polo shirts...even for CEOs. Sorry if you do. I do when I am on the road, and hate it much.
Agreed, for your area. Been there. Lousy mass trans. But for areas more urbanized (Chicago, New York) it is the only sane option. Getting from burb - to - center can always be a pain. Know people who chose to live in godforsaken, bumfsck and middleofnowhere IL and they face the same problem you do. Drive to light rail, ride in. But in Chicago, this beats driving all the way in to the loop.
Also, I would hazzard a guess...your neighbors want (maybe) the service without 1) paying for it in taxes and 2) living near the lines.
That is the price ya pay. I pay lotsa $$$ for an apt close to the el station, but far enough away so I do not hear the trains at night.
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yeah. but we are also green/socialist community minded pacifists.
hint:
why some prefer guntoting eric and others free as in beer stallman.
coders/geeks can not be put into a camp with an ideology. We DO tend to aver and eschew traditional republican and democratic party lines and flock to alternatives that fit out worldview and morality, but some of fear BIG GUMMANINT/KarlMarx and some of us fear BIG BIDNESS/AynRand.
ESR can not speak for us on anything other than coding. He should shut his YAP on anything else.
Tom
Agree. MacOS is really designed to hide stuf fro mthe user, but Apple did leave good hooks into the OS (3rd party extentions) and Mac is very easy to code for. Just because I am NOT a coder (though I play one in my study) I use pretty low end stuff (but these are cheap). Real Basic provides a great intro to coding on the Mac. Also, just for kicks, AppleScript is a pretty capable scripting agent and you can write something similar to batch routines for tedious or repetive or scheduled tasks.
Code Warrior (expensive) is a good, flexible tool, but if you are interested in how the Mac handles apps a great start is to play with ResEdit. (Just always play with a copy of the file/app you want to edit. Poking aroung a copy of the Finder is a blast.)
Tom
But War of the Roses is watered down (VERY watered down) version of Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf. WAoVW is MUCH darker, and funnier, and quite damned scary.
Tom
Agree on the draggable screens, but not on the "difficulty of getting to Mac OS (even Classic's)workings. RedEdit _is_ simple even for the neophyte, and you can edit ANY system or program resource file.
As for Uniformity of Operation, I am only a novice (and fan) of the Amiga, but the Mac OS is easily as consistent with Menus/Widgets/Commands.
Agree that Amiga did get "right in the middle" between geeky and easy. Mac erred on the simple side, Linux errs on the geeks.
OS-X...anyone's guess!
Tom
"However, (and this is my pet peeve with the Mac) if you wanted to dig deeper, you could."
Goodness knows, you could never edit the system resource files (ResEdit) or learn how to code (in C or Basic) on a Mac. Funny. I learned it somewhere.
Tom
LinuxPPC or SuSE or Mac OS-X (ifwhen it ships) on a G4.
Tom
Mac is going the same way?
Where have you been?
Mac market share has been growing. They are a long way from the dark days of 97-98. They have (almost exactly) the same market share and growth trajectory as another of my favorite (think penguin) OSs.
The only OS _losing_ share right now id Win. At the hands of MANY players.
Tom
New /. Poll.
The next OS wars will be:
Amiga v. Be
Linux v. BSD
Linux v. Win
Mac v. Win
Mac v. Linux
Mac v. Be
Amiga v. Mac
Mac (Classic) v. Mac (OS-X)
Hemos v. Gates
Or will it be a battle Royal?
Tom
OK. The spleen is not required for proper functioning of the body. An old college room-mate of mine had to have a SPLENECTOMY due to a (very bad) auto accident). Spleen ruptured. He is ok, though.
Tom
Also... What if you MOVE.
Maybe I move too much. Nothing beats having the boxes about. Rather than a box of loose CDs and floppies, you could just grab the boxes, package them. The boxes store nicely.
OK, enough.
Tom
Maybe it is the SW I buy, but the boxes are VERY useful. For examply, for my last system purchase:
Quark XPress (Big manuals, sm guides, CD, Floppy)
Photoshop (manual, CD, kb shortcuts, fliers)
Illustrator (manual, guide, kb shortcuts, CD)
Flash (manual, CD)
Dreamweaver (manual, cd)
Fireworks (manual, CD)
Painter (cool can) (manual_s_ , CD)
Mac OS 9 (just a CD and a few fliers/info sheets)
Conflict catcher (manual, cd, update cert)
After installing and making backup cd-r of the install CDs, I put the original CD in the box, with all docs. Receipts, in the box. Wrote the serial #s down on a separate slip of ppr and put this in the box. Put the manuals back in the boxes. Put the boxes on the top shelf of bookcase. Everything is tidy. Have had ZERO lost paperwork.
Beleive me, you do not want to lose any paperwork on SW. (Lost a serial # for Photoshop once.)
They are handy storage, not just big colorful packaging. I thought I would see a similar comment above, but guessed wrong!
Tom
Also, this does not take into account mean time to failure. I would love to see studies, if just to confirm my anecdotal experience, showing mtf between standard PCs and Macs.
Like I said, I have NEVER seen Apple HW fail. Have had many Macs oer the years, and a couple three PCs. The PCs all crapped out within a matter of 2 years. I still have Centris and SE/30, all original parts, all without a single failure.
Tom
The statue is white marble. (not flesh toned)
Sculptor of the Venus De Milo is not DaVinci.
Now, If you said the painting "Birth of Venus" by Botticelli, then you would have a point!
Tom
Preaching to the choir here. I still bleed in 6 colors. But even according to Mac Addict tests the 1GHZ Athlon beats the 500 MHz G4, even with Altivec enabled. Yes, the 500 G4 would stomp all over even an 800 MHz Athlon...but fair is fair. Apple lost the speed crown.
This says nothing about their totally superior HW, though.
Tom
tell that to the many g3-500 Mhz powerbook owners.
tool.
wrong. i have three words. complete hardware integration. i have never had 1) an irq setting problem. 2) hardware fry on me 3) ide/ata cards blow on my macs. have had bad hw is every pc i bought, and i NEVER bought off brand stuff.
They still make the best hw. not the fastest chips mind you, but the best hw in terms of life of svc.
tom
heeheehee
The iMac does not have an lcd, silly. Maybe they meant iBook.
Tom
So why is a single user OS (Mac OS 8.x, 9.x running WebStar) the most secure OS?
Whether an OS is single or multi user is not the only key to security. The biggest threat to security is an error between the chair and the kb anyway.
Tom
The real sales person is the sales person. Without her/him, the marketing materials would never get out the door, and nothing would be sold.
Next?
Tom
Is that any better than producing "art" while at the beck and call of the masses? The decline of art follows from the commercialization of it/decline of the patronage system. Maybe some re-institutionalization of patronage is necessary.
I do not make alot of cash...but more of it goes toward Mozart than Metallica any day. The signal-to-noise ratio is only getting worse. It was hard to believe (in 1980) anything could possibly be worse than the BeeGees. But Brittany Spears and Hanson proved me wrong.
They are awesome for energy efficiency. They, however, give off really bad light. Like most Flourescent light bulbs, they operate at a freq that can be bad for people who get migranes/SAD, etc.
Plus, the light from them is ugly. Compare to a full spectrum bulb. Plus, you can not do proper color correction working under those things.
Tom
"I wonder if they would have thought they could get away with this had it been 'You're black and we don't want the racists to break our windows so we ain't selling you an account.'
This is not anything like racism. I am not saying I agree with the ISP. But an ISP that bans African Americans is different than one that bans xtian or other fundie groups. The essence of discrimination is not in the judgement of a SOCIAL group...but the pre-judgement of a biological group.
Noone chose to be born black or a woman or indian. Therefore it is wrong to discriminate on that basis. People DO choose to become fundies, skinheads, etc. And there is nothing wrong with refusing service to such groups. I can refuse to serve bloods and crips (as gang members) but can not refuse service African Americans as a race.
Tough luck fot the site. But standing up for the coices ONE MAKES of their OWN FREE WILL is different than living in a racist society that discriminates against something YOU COULD NOT CHOOSE FOR OR AGAINST.
I hate these comparisons to racism...think about your analogies before use.
Tom
Which were stolen from movies like Full Metal Jacket, Platoon and Bridge over the River Kwai.
Tom
Corrections:
"yeah, and you can ride your bike like what, 2 months out of the year in Chicago? (I'm talking June and September - the rest of the year it's either too hot or too cold or too rainy)."
I ride April-June and Sept-Oct. Rest of the time it is the El for me. If you are a wuss about weather, live elsewhere.
"Now, I'm not talking recreational riding. Sure, get on your slicks, and hop some mud in the rain."
As often as I can.
"But try biking to work in a suit and tie in August when it's 100 degrees, 99% humidity -it's just not a realistic option for most people. "
Agree. Ride the El or the Metra instead.
"Maybe you don't have to wear a tie to your Baskin-Robbins job, "
Why the insult? Tech sales and program manager for very large telco education provider. But we are jeans/casual attire.
"(I don't to mycomputer job), "
trade insults...what you make ethernet cables for your IT dept?
"but a lot of people, most people, still do."
Many do not wears suits anymore. It is all dockers and polo shirts...even for CEOs. Sorry if you do. I do when I am on the road, and hate it much.
Thanks,
Tom
Agreed, for your area. Been there. Lousy mass trans. But for areas more urbanized (Chicago, New York) it is the only sane option. Getting from burb - to - center can always be a pain. Know people who chose to live in godforsaken, bumfsck and middleofnowhere IL and they face the same problem you do. Drive to light rail, ride in. But in Chicago, this beats driving all the way in to the loop.
Also, I would hazzard a guess...your neighbors want (maybe) the service without 1) paying for it in taxes and 2) living near the lines.
That is the price ya pay. I pay lotsa $$$ for an apt close to the el station, but far enough away so I do not hear the trains at night.
Tom