Tell me about it. My electric bicycle goes about 55-60 km/h on electric power (shhh), you can build it yourself for a thousand or two, i can take short cuts through parks and sidewalks (depending on traffic i can easily beat cars to work; defiantly faster than taking the train being door to door, and you can leave when ever you want), it only uses about 500 watt-hours a day (maybe 10 cents in electricity) and it can fit on the train for longer journeys.
Burning petrol or diesel might produce similar carbon dioxide to coal, but going from crude oil to the petrol pump takes a lot more effort (about 4 times that of coal).
No one is getting access to the scada system without going through private fibre or being onsite. About half of our smart meters have an ip address the rest are using gprs, but most of them don't control anything, and a couple don't do anything audio frequency load control wasn't already doing for a long time (the tech behind how they turn your hot water system on and off, which i think is the 'frequencies' the hacker has stolen in the story).
and run a separate network to every house, one that runs right next to the internet phone lines? Or maybe we are on a different page, the substations aren't on the internet (maybe the data recording) but all the control is done by a separate (expensive) fibre network connecting them to control; It's not like a smart meter can operate hv switching, your lucky to get relay control on the whole current meters (anything using current transformers the meters have zero control over).
They have more surveillance in the uk and usa, but there are less rights in Australia. Cops in Australia can do what ever they want, no need for pesky warrants or anything like that over here, they just apply for one latter if they find something.
You could do a little bit of back feeding, but hook up to many solar panels and you'll start blowing up peoples electronics, because to backfeed you need to have a higher voltage than the network and without some one watching the network voltage (lowering it when there is a lot of backfeed) it would easily get too high. Also Substations aren't cheap if you can check the data and see what you have now is fine, then you don't have to build a new one twice the size just because you saw a high max watts reading. Your not reading my comment right if you think that i was saying the grid has always been on the internet, i just said it makes it better (then again i might be biased, as i work for a network). Lots of things worked before the internet (usually with less scams) doesn't mean we shouldn't have it, or that it won't make it easier.
That's a great story i really enjoyed it. If you want to know the scary truth, a couple of guys with rifles could take the major power stations offline a lot longer than hackers, by simply shooting the insulators on the phases coming out of power stations.
Sure you could, but it wouldn't be very efficient, it would cost a lot more to run (for expanding and maintenance you don't need to over compensate as much when you have good data to work with) and it's probably not capable of accepting power back into the grid (from say a residential solar panel); unless of course you built a new network covering the entire country (BIG MONEY $).
So if something can be hacked it isn't smart? So smart phones should have been called slightly more powerful feature phones. Carrying on with that, you can hack a human with magnetic fields http://www.livescience.com/438-remote-controlled-human-sensation.html so none of mankind could be considered smart either.
No, Senator Conroy is organizing the NBN, and he wouldn't want to censor and monitor everyone in Australia on the internet... Oh wait, that is exactly what he wanted, but got shut down a few years ago.
Also in Australia you can do whatever you want on your property generation wise (sparkeys have to do the electrical work over 50 volts) but there are tight conditions on what your allowed to export back to the grid. You don't have to submit anything to council to put up panels (you have to talk to your electricity network/retailer to get paid for generation though). It's just like if you had a boat or a caravan you can hook up as many panels as you want to charge batteries and what not, but try and hook it up to the local network and you'll have trouble.
$35000 would get you an amazing system. $5000 - $15000 would get you out of trouble. $15000 if you put everything on batteries and an inverter. $5000 if you put stuff like the fridge, cooking, and water heating on gas then run a generator for the washing machine (then you can drastically reduce your battery supply if you don't have to generate 5 kw at a time).
It measures kwatts and kvarh total per 30 min so you can figure out the average pf for that interval (very useful to the network so they know if they need to install more cap banks). Any line noise would be average out over the period. If your referring to audio frequency load control, then no the smart meters are not capable of uploading it, although they could receive it (meters and hot water systems have been doing that for yonks, that's how you can get different tarrifs). If you know of something evil the government is going to do with your kw and kvarh data (averaged over 30 minutes intervals) then please elaborate, because i can't think of much.
I in no way condone what origin has done with the data (why the hell are debt collectors getting access?), but the guy i was replying to was making it sound like the collection was evil (and if your not happy with any of the 5 meter providers (not all as bad as origin), then you don't have to use the network). It's like complaining the phone company keeps a record of who you call when and for how long. The only person that should have any interest in that data is the customer, the retailer and maybe the network they are running on (bare with me here), the network doesn't care what you are doing individually, but seeing how lots of houses use their power through out the day, they can better plan future infrastructure upgrades.
If your really so worried that some one is going to use the amount of electricity you used in a 30 minute interval against you in some way; Then good news friend it's never been easier to go off grid, solar panels, wind generator, and batteries are at an all new low price. No one is forcing you to buy their electricity.
I am all for no video camera network and no government enforced internet snooping but this is hardly the case with smart meters. I work for a smart meter company (not these douches in question) and your making it sound like we have this god like power, when there is a lot less data there than you think which can be very easily masked by a number of things. All we see is a usage per half an hour, and that figure could be made up of any number of different appliences. Yes you could make assumptions based on time like when a big spike kicks in at 6 oclock it's could be the oven, but he could just as easily have a massive computer. Also i don't know who you think cares when you cook a roast, but it's not like it's watching every place you drive too with licence plate scanners. If your really worried about this (and aren't happy with using someone other than origin) just get a bunch of batteries charge them up on off peak power at night and use battery power during the day, you'll save money, the network will like you because you put less stress on the network, and you'll be happy because the metering company won't be able to guess what you might be doing. Now the police department and tax office they have much juicer concrete information on you.
Info does = money and that is exactly why people put up smart meters. Most business have a peak demand charge when they buy bulk electricity, smart metering lets the customer know when and what causes that, so it can be minimized and greatly minimise his bill. It's also useful to the average joe consumer who wants to export power back to the grid. Maybe some one else that wants to buy power at the cheap off peak rate and store it in a battery bank for when the price is high. It allows for all kinds of different billing methods that can greatly reward taking stress of the network when it needs it. Smart metering is all about saving money by knowing what the network is doing. Everything you mentioned already exists, smart tv's that record the shows it thinks you'll like so you don't have to, smart browsers that remember your history have been around since the internet started, and smart shoes have been brought out by Nike for exercises freaks. Knowledge is power for all who embrace it. That said I most defiantly can not condone what Origin is doing with the customer's data, and can only assure you that they are the only retailer doing this. Choose the other guys (it's completely up to the customer) and they have very strict rules in place about who gets access. Origin are giant dicks, giving the rest of us a bad name. We have enough problems already trying to convince all the idiots that these setups have no more radiation than an iphone and their old meter.
We can't all agree apple is innovative. It's not even something that is upheld around apple, http://news.yahoo.com/former-apple-exec-apple-haven-t-invented-anything-151548130.html It's just something for fanboys to latch on to, so they feel like they are on the cutting edge of tech. Being successful and innovative are not necessarily linked at all.
Yeah fair point, and that's definitely not the only annoying gap in programming (i've noticed my stock mp3 player takes itself off shuffle randomly). At least they have only left out little things i can easily work around.
If you going to be sailing a big boat like that, you'll want electric winches; you'll only hurt yourself, your sea mates, or their feelings when your yelling at them so loud during a tricky maneuver without it. Also an electric wind vane for your course plotter, then you can sail by the wind (much faster).
18 meter boat is pretty massive. you could fit a kw of solar, a couple of kw peak wind power, a few kwh of battery bank (don't cheap out they will only die early) and that could keep most electronics going for a long time (if all that fails the alternator can generate power from the engine). If your really worried about power get a 12/240/gas fridge and use the best option for the time. Also i don't know how bad you think the sea is, but it doesn't turn everything to dust, cheap plastic shouldn't be left in the sun but that's about it.
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Yeah, aren't they the guys powering apple maps.
Tell me about it. My electric bicycle goes about 55-60 km/h on electric power (shhh), you can build it yourself for a thousand or two, i can take short cuts through parks and sidewalks (depending on traffic i can easily beat cars to work; defiantly faster than taking the train being door to door, and you can leave when ever you want), it only uses about 500 watt-hours a day (maybe 10 cents in electricity) and it can fit on the train for longer journeys.
Burning petrol or diesel might produce similar carbon dioxide to coal, but going from crude oil to the petrol pump takes a lot more effort (about 4 times that of coal).
No one is getting access to the scada system without going through private fibre or being onsite. About half of our smart meters have an ip address the rest are using gprs, but most of them don't control anything, and a couple don't do anything audio frequency load control wasn't already doing for a long time (the tech behind how they turn your hot water system on and off, which i think is the 'frequencies' the hacker has stolen in the story).
and run a separate network to every house, one that runs right next to the internet phone lines? Or maybe we are on a different page, the substations aren't on the internet (maybe the data recording) but all the control is done by a separate (expensive) fibre network connecting them to control; It's not like a smart meter can operate hv switching, your lucky to get relay control on the whole current meters (anything using current transformers the meters have zero control over).
They have more surveillance in the uk and usa, but there are less rights in Australia. Cops in Australia can do what ever they want, no need for pesky warrants or anything like that over here, they just apply for one latter if they find something.
You could do a little bit of back feeding, but hook up to many solar panels and you'll start blowing up peoples electronics, because to backfeed you need to have a higher voltage than the network and without some one watching the network voltage (lowering it when there is a lot of backfeed) it would easily get too high. Also Substations aren't cheap if you can check the data and see what you have now is fine, then you don't have to build a new one twice the size just because you saw a high max watts reading. Your not reading my comment right if you think that i was saying the grid has always been on the internet, i just said it makes it better (then again i might be biased, as i work for a network). Lots of things worked before the internet (usually with less scams) doesn't mean we shouldn't have it, or that it won't make it easier.
That's a great story i really enjoyed it. If you want to know the scary truth, a couple of guys with rifles could take the major power stations offline a lot longer than hackers, by simply shooting the insulators on the phases coming out of power stations.
Sure you could, but it wouldn't be very efficient, it would cost a lot more to run (for expanding and maintenance you don't need to over compensate as much when you have good data to work with) and it's probably not capable of accepting power back into the grid (from say a residential solar panel); unless of course you built a new network covering the entire country (BIG MONEY $).
So if something can be hacked it isn't smart? So smart phones should have been called slightly more powerful feature phones. Carrying on with that, you can hack a human with magnetic fields http://www.livescience.com/438-remote-controlled-human-sensation.html so none of mankind could be considered smart either.
No, Senator Conroy is organizing the NBN, and he wouldn't want to censor and monitor everyone in Australia on the internet... Oh wait, that is exactly what he wanted, but got shut down a few years ago.
Come on peoples, +5 informative for woz writing in and correcting a story written about himself.
Also in Australia you can do whatever you want on your property generation wise (sparkeys have to do the electrical work over 50 volts) but there are tight conditions on what your allowed to export back to the grid. You don't have to submit anything to council to put up panels (you have to talk to your electricity network/retailer to get paid for generation though). It's just like if you had a boat or a caravan you can hook up as many panels as you want to charge batteries and what not, but try and hook it up to the local network and you'll have trouble.
$35000 would get you an amazing system. $5000 - $15000 would get you out of trouble. $15000 if you put everything on batteries and an inverter. $5000 if you put stuff like the fridge, cooking, and water heating on gas then run a generator for the washing machine (then you can drastically reduce your battery supply if you don't have to generate 5 kw at a time).
It measures kwatts and kvarh total per 30 min so you can figure out the average pf for that interval (very useful to the network so they know if they need to install more cap banks). Any line noise would be average out over the period. If your referring to audio frequency load control, then no the smart meters are not capable of uploading it, although they could receive it (meters and hot water systems have been doing that for yonks, that's how you can get different tarrifs). If you know of something evil the government is going to do with your kw and kvarh data (averaged over 30 minutes intervals) then please elaborate, because i can't think of much.
I in no way condone what origin has done with the data (why the hell are debt collectors getting access?), but the guy i was replying to was making it sound like the collection was evil (and if your not happy with any of the 5 meter providers (not all as bad as origin), then you don't have to use the network). It's like complaining the phone company keeps a record of who you call when and for how long. The only person that should have any interest in that data is the customer, the retailer and maybe the network they are running on (bare with me here), the network doesn't care what you are doing individually, but seeing how lots of houses use their power through out the day, they can better plan future infrastructure upgrades.
Oh dear god, if only i didn't have a life, then i might sit here and explain everything that is wrong about your post to you.
If your really so worried that some one is going to use the amount of electricity you used in a 30 minute interval against you in some way; Then good news friend it's never been easier to go off grid, solar panels, wind generator, and batteries are at an all new low price. No one is forcing you to buy their electricity.
I am all for no video camera network and no government enforced internet snooping but this is hardly the case with smart meters. I work for a smart meter company (not these douches in question) and your making it sound like we have this god like power, when there is a lot less data there than you think which can be very easily masked by a number of things. All we see is a usage per half an hour, and that figure could be made up of any number of different appliences. Yes you could make assumptions based on time like when a big spike kicks in at 6 oclock it's could be the oven, but he could just as easily have a massive computer. Also i don't know who you think cares when you cook a roast, but it's not like it's watching every place you drive too with licence plate scanners. If your really worried about this (and aren't happy with using someone other than origin) just get a bunch of batteries charge them up on off peak power at night and use battery power during the day, you'll save money, the network will like you because you put less stress on the network, and you'll be happy because the metering company won't be able to guess what you might be doing. Now the police department and tax office they have much juicer concrete information on you.
Info does = money and that is exactly why people put up smart meters. Most business have a peak demand charge when they buy bulk electricity, smart metering lets the customer know when and what causes that, so it can be minimized and greatly minimise his bill. It's also useful to the average joe consumer who wants to export power back to the grid. Maybe some one else that wants to buy power at the cheap off peak rate and store it in a battery bank for when the price is high. It allows for all kinds of different billing methods that can greatly reward taking stress of the network when it needs it. Smart metering is all about saving money by knowing what the network is doing. Everything you mentioned already exists, smart tv's that record the shows it thinks you'll like so you don't have to, smart browsers that remember your history have been around since the internet started, and smart shoes have been brought out by Nike for exercises freaks. Knowledge is power for all who embrace it. That said I most defiantly can not condone what Origin is doing with the customer's data, and can only assure you that they are the only retailer doing this. Choose the other guys (it's completely up to the customer) and they have very strict rules in place about who gets access. Origin are giant dicks, giving the rest of us a bad name. We have enough problems already trying to convince all the idiots that these setups have no more radiation than an iphone and their old meter.
No, they are in the wing of the pentagon that is closed for repairs.
We can't all agree apple is innovative. It's not even something that is upheld around apple, http://news.yahoo.com/former-apple-exec-apple-haven-t-invented-anything-151548130.html It's just something for fanboys to latch on to, so they feel like they are on the cutting edge of tech. Being successful and innovative are not necessarily linked at all.
Yeah fair point, and that's definitely not the only annoying gap in programming (i've noticed my stock mp3 player takes itself off shuffle randomly). At least they have only left out little things i can easily work around.
If you going to be sailing a big boat like that, you'll want electric winches; you'll only hurt yourself, your sea mates, or their feelings when your yelling at them so loud during a tricky maneuver without it. Also an electric wind vane for your course plotter, then you can sail by the wind (much faster).
18 meter boat is pretty massive. you could fit a kw of solar, a couple of kw peak wind power, a few kwh of battery bank (don't cheap out they will only die early) and that could keep most electronics going for a long time (if all that fails the alternator can generate power from the engine). If your really worried about power get a 12/240/gas fridge and use the best option for the time. Also i don't know how bad you think the sea is, but it doesn't turn everything to dust, cheap plastic shouldn't be left in the sun but that's about it.