We are at the place Tux in a pot of boiling water toss in a little red deamon for flavor and let simmer for a few hours while Windows tries to boot stages.
It's a case of the meal calling the cook an apetizer... Sit back and laugh.
If our submarines where the size of these fans, where would you put the crew?
In all seriousness, this is what patent law is about. Company A spends ooodles of money designing a product that works better than everything else, company B takes one look at it and figures and says hey if we copy it, we save the development costs. Thus hurting company A. It's very common, A common road down this path is OEM the part, then design your own copy and dump the OEM. Happens all the time... If I was feeling slander happy I could rattle off several cases that I know, but I lack the $ for a lawyer;-)
It's often been said that the only thing that even comes close to this is Deap Sea diving and Cave Diving... One failure to follow the procedure and your dead. Scary...
Should I quote Kennedy?
We choose to do these things not because they are easy, but because that are hard...
To give you a little background I spent a few years doing college radio at WITR. We always had bands ask if they could use our studio's to get a little recording time in. Like computers, the main thing I noticed was that much of the specialized audio equipment kept getting cheaper and better. In my last few years I noticed many of the bands we worked with often had equipment on par if not better than ours, This is a good trend... This was also the period (1992-1997) when we switched all of our production from the 4 track to the computer... It was very easy to do and we ended up with doing more higher quality internal production. (And yes I know many 4 track wizarsds that would argue you can never get better than true analog production)
Ask yourself how many bands started out in the garage...
How many bands recorded there first release at a local college station?
How many bands could really do a first release on a personal computer with a couple hundred dolars worth of sound gear?
How many bands could sell CD's burned with a CD-R on personal computer at shows?
I have lost count of the number of people I know/have known that have personal studios setup in basements,garages and barns.
Me an a budy had an idea for a product based on one of these devices last fall. When we contacted them, they said IBM had bought out there entire production for the next few quarters. Sorry we have no engineering samples to sell you. (and no it was not the IBM product, it was an idea I thought was marginal but worth trying and may still happen...)
Makes me wonder...
TastesLikeHerringFlavoredChicken
M-Systems has had a real presence at the few embedded linux conferences I've seen. Worth looking at M-Systems other FLASH storage devices for those embedded apps.
Thought I'd point out a few corrections to the thread...
1. The US has landed probes on venus. But the russians still have the best record.
2. Considering Jupiter is a Gas Giant, as you go deeper into it's atmosphere the pressure and temperature get higher and higher. Any probe you send burns up. The "solid" part of the planet is under such extreme pressure/temperature conditions that it is not yet possible to build a probe that will survive to this point.
3. The offical Near Page is http://near.jhuapl.edu/
4. The point of the landing is to get as near as possible to the Eros while still taking usefull data. They have mentioned before it's not an attempt to land, just a practice in which they are hoping to gain useful data. How many of us remember pioneer-venus's and magellan's end of life atmosphere probing? Led the way to our areo-braking efforts on Mars. Or the Lunar Prospector end of life experiment with the moon. Interesting gamble to find water...
5. Someone mentioned valentines day, I remember they had targeted Feb. 14 as the touch down date. Why it changed, I don't know. Also, for the last V day they snapped a wonderful valentines day photo of Eros, http://near.jhuapl.edu/iod/20000213b/index.html
You need to look at the energy budget, will more energy be spent hurl the stuff into space than was created by producing the waste... If not you are spending more energy than you are producing...
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They decided is was high time to get a real network connection (fractional T1 512KB data, 512Kb voice). They where worried about script kiddies and the likes so they said we have to have a firewall of some sort. Smart move, the provider recommended this consulting firm out of Salem NH.
They quote, I say it's not gonna work, our programming coop agrees. We get 4 different quotes from 4 different vendors, all cost less and I like the technologies (netscreen, sonic wall, 24/7 monitoring services, Cisco's ect...).
I get over ruled, because this other company was recommended by our ISP...
They wipe out our MRP system for the month of December, Keep us from shipping product for the better part of the month. Finally they get the system installed, wipe out email for one of our two subnets, still not resolved, keep pointing fingers at everyone as to why things aren't working, first the ISP, then the Bay Network stacks that connect the two networks, then our computers, ect. They go way over budget, a firewall that was supposed to cost $10,000 has now cost us $30,000. And to top it off the proxy server blue screens every 24 to 36 hours...
Solution I blow up at the one of the VP's so bad on friday that he closes his door and we get into a shouting match. I doubt I will get a favorable review this year, but we are heaving that Windows 2000 Server Proxy server running otis proxy software into the dumpster and reconfiguring the Cisco 2611 it was behind to properly route data from the two subnets to the outside world and act as a firewall. Then placing Zone Alarm on the individual user machines as a second layer Firewall.
Who will reconfigure the Cisco, probally the same consultants...
You can't win, I've had plenty of computer consultants leave really bad tastes in my mouth.
>Yeah, I don't get it either. It's literally
>TEN TIMES as expensive as Delphi for Windows.
>I guess they're a bit worried about support
>costs on Linux..
Umm, the Kylix Desktop version is $999 vs. Delphi Pro which is $799.
The Delphi 5 Standard Edition (student) is $99 vs. the free GPL'd Kylix version wich will be released this summer (?).
Everyone seems to a little upset with the $999 pro and $1999 enterprise price. If you look at the price of Delphi 5 which Kylix is supposed to replace you'll notice that they raised the price of the 'PRO' edition $200, and dropped the price of the 'enterprise' edition $500. Plus they are releasing a free GPL'd version that cost's nothing compared to the $99 for standard.
Personally I think this is very competive for the tools. I currently use Delphi 5 Pro and will be upgrading to the Kylix Pro version when it comes out.
My complaint, give me an upgrade price from Delphi 5 to Kylix Pro that is in line with the Delphi 5 upgrade price!
To be fair Borland did invest a fair amount of money in the product, and put themselves out on a limb announcing it as coming soon at the Borcon 2000. About time they final got it out the door, guess they where true to there word that they would not release it before it is ready. I have warm fuzzies about this one.
TastesLikeHerringFlavoredChicken
Aren't we forgeting January 27th 1967?
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Let's not forget 01-27-1967 when we lost three
on the pad...
Besides, I would argue what destroyed the US space program has deeper roots than Dan Goldin, Deeper than Challenger, Deeper than the Decision not to build the F1 flyback option, Deeper than the decision to scrap the X-20, All the way back to the decision to seperate the civilian program from the military programs and have NASA place spam in a can in orbit instead of the progression from X-1 to X-15 to X-20 to a truely reusable space vehicle. Instead we wasted our money on Spam in a Can and made a partially reusable white elephant. We can thank Kennedy (oh and he's dead to).
CO2 is an infared laser (10,600nm) I'm talking about the hot (way cool, lottso research money) short wavelength laser's used in micro lithography (can we say etching semi-conductor photo resist). The "next" generation's will be 193nm and then 157nm. These wavelength's where chosen because they are sandard laser lines.
let's see...
193 nm - gas ARF2 (as in Argon Flourine)
157 nm - gas F2 (as in Flourine)
Re:I don't understand this pacifist bleating
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Heck Yes...
Kennedy's big problem was saber rattling!
Admittily Regean was scary, but no president before or after Kennedy brought us closer to the brink.
Look at the real facts, we had 10 long range bombers for every one of Russia's, we had ~50 deployed ICBM's vs's Russia's less than 10. We could strike Russia from bases in Turkey, Europe, Japan, and Alaska. We had a large Carrier fleet that they lacked. They would have to launch any attack against the US from Siberia or an ill equiped navy.
Cuba was an attempt to gain parity with the US, remember this whole period can be summed up as Russian's Bluff. They where bluffing to offset weaknesses and hole's in the russian economy and defenses. If the Dem's and Kennedy hadn't been so set on MAD (instead of parity) Cuba would not have happened.
btw. I grabbed the numbers from '...the Heavens and the Earth, a Political History of the Space Age' by Walter McDougal, the book won the 1986 Pulitzer for History. Well worth the read, if it's still in print.
As an aside...
TwP is right, you are off by a factor of 10.
70-60 nm is well in the extreme UV range.
UV starts below about 300nm (for my work, I say 250nm, I know some that say 350nm)
Air (H2O, O2) starts interfering below 200nm
N2 (~70% of air) starts interfering below ~150nm
And it is very hard to take measurements below 120nm. Most measurements below 200nm are done under a High Vacuum ( lees than 10^-5 Torr).
The visible range is red (~700nm) to violet (~350/400nm).
Communications Solid Lasers work between 1.4 um (1400nm) and 650 nm...
Part of the problem with Deep Blue and UV sources is that the photon's carry enough energy to start breaking atomic bonds, leading to the optical elements degrading over time as they are etched by the light source. That will limit how low you can go in a consumer device, since you don't want to sell a product that has to be serviced every 500 hrs. In the extreme UV that is the case.
btw. the hot non-solid state laser wavelength numbers are 193nm and 157nm. Can not remember the laser types, sorry.
Yes let's get DoubleLick involved, instead of the vote being recorded electronically in nanoseconds it will now take tens of minutes and there will always be a cookie left behind with who you voted for;-)
And they could then charge each canidate for every vote they received...
Partial to NY's good ole mechanical voting machines
TastesLikeHerringFlavoredChicken
you need a CIS to work with computers?
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Take this example...
My sister has a BS in English
She's an IT person for a large Wall street company...
...go figure
Or my example, BS Electric Engineering,
MS Computer Integrated Manufacturing.
Spend my days programming the UI for lab instrument's.
(And scare all the females away because I'm an engineer,
(or would that smoking protype board have something to do with it, FIRE!!!!))
Fire's out (time to hang in slashdot till my boss cool's down, couldn't of been my fault, I'm software),
In the past industry has said, get grounded in the real world and we will show you how to code it. The more you know outside of the computer, the more usable you are to an employer.
Being able to handle a fire exstinguisher is a real plus (oh boy...).
Slashdot Mirror
Dude,
Why didn't you pic one of the cooler pictures in the archive, like this one?
We are at the place Tux in a pot of boiling water toss in a little red deamon for flavor and let simmer for a few hours while Windows tries to boot stages.
... Sit back and laugh.
It's a case of the meal calling the cook an apetizer
TastesLikeHerringFlavoredChicken
The real technique is in quite, long life, energy efficent operation. And I'm willing to bet it's one of the following three that the patents cover.
I like them quite
TastesLikeHerringFlavoredChicken
If our submarines where the size of these fans, where would you put the crew?
;-)
In all seriousness, this is what patent law is about. Company A spends ooodles of money designing a product that works better than everything else, company B takes one look at it and figures and says hey if we copy it, we save the development costs. Thus hurting company A. It's very common, A common road down this path is OEM the part, then design your own copy and dump the OEM. Happens all the time... If I was feeling slander happy I could rattle off several cases that I know, but I lack the $ for a lawyer
TastesLikeHerringFlavoredChicken
It's often been said that the only thing that even comes close to this is Deap Sea diving and Cave Diving... One failure to follow the procedure and your dead. Scary...
Should I quote Kennedy?
We choose to do these things not because they are easy, but because that are hard...
To give you a little background I spent a few years doing college radio at WITR. We always had bands ask if they could use our studio's to get a little recording time in. Like computers, the main thing I noticed was that much of the specialized audio equipment kept getting cheaper and better. In my last few years I noticed many of the bands we worked with often had equipment on par if not better than ours, This is a good trend... This was also the period (1992-1997) when we switched all of our production from the 4 track to the computer... It was very easy to do and we ended up with doing more higher quality internal production. (And yes I know many 4 track wizarsds that would argue you can never get better than true analog production)
Ask yourself how many bands started out in the garage...
How many bands recorded there first release at a local college station?
How many bands could really do a first release on a personal computer with a couple hundred dolars worth of sound gear?
How many bands could sell CD's burned with a CD-R on personal computer at shows?
I have lost count of the number of people I know/have known that have personal studios setup in basements,garages and barns.
... Hate to break it to you, but the Arabs invented the concept of 0. So all poor little billy can patent is a single 1...
grab it off of spaceflightnow, they have a quicktime of it
TastesLikeHerringFlavoredChicken,
The Hot Burning Cajun Type...
Just look at ROP
or this little message on Yahoo
TastesLikeHerringFlavoredChicken
Here, Here ...
/.
You're right we need a little more SUN,Apple,Oracle,IBM,Linux,BSD,BeOS bashing in
Only the strong computers/apps should survive!!!
Then we will make a beowolf cluster out of them...
.. Well kinda open sourcing CE, read on in this article on InfoWorld
TastesLikeFriedHerringFlavoredChicken
I wonder if it's the M-Systems USB Flash Disk on Key product...
Me an a budy had an idea for a product based on one of these devices last fall. When we contacted them, they said IBM had bought out there entire production for the next few quarters. Sorry we have no engineering samples to sell you. (and no it was not the IBM product, it was an idea I thought was marginal but worth trying and may still happen...)
Makes me wonder...
TastesLikeHerringFlavoredChicken
M-Systems has had a real presence at the few embedded linux conferences I've seen. Worth looking at M-Systems other FLASH storage devices for those embedded apps.
Thought I'd point out a few corrections to the thread...
1. The US has landed probes on venus. But the russians still have the best record.
2. Considering Jupiter is a Gas Giant, as you go deeper into it's atmosphere the pressure and temperature get higher and higher. Any probe you send burns up. The "solid" part of the planet is under such extreme pressure/temperature conditions that it is not yet possible to build a probe that will survive to this point.
3. The offical Near Page is http://near.jhuapl.edu/
4. The point of the landing is to get as near as possible to the Eros while still taking usefull data. They have mentioned before it's not an attempt to land, just a practice in which they are hoping to gain useful data. How many of us remember pioneer-venus's and magellan's end of life atmosphere probing? Led the way to our areo-braking efforts on Mars. Or the Lunar Prospector end of life experiment with the moon. Interesting gamble to find water...
5. Someone mentioned valentines day, I remember they had targeted Feb. 14 as the touch down date. Why it changed, I don't know. Also, for the last V day they snapped a wonderful valentines day photo of Eros, http://near.jhuapl.edu/iod/20000213b/index.html
You need to look at the energy budget, will more energy be spent hurl the stuff into space than was created by producing the waste... If not you are spending more energy than you are producing...
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Gues the movies gonna suck then...
Case study in point, I work for a small company
They decided is was high time to get a real network connection (fractional T1 512KB data, 512Kb voice). They where worried about script kiddies and the likes so they said we have to have a firewall of some sort. Smart move, the provider recommended this consulting firm out of Salem NH.
They quote, I say it's not gonna work, our programming coop agrees. We get 4 different quotes from 4 different vendors, all cost less and I like the technologies (netscreen, sonic wall, 24/7 monitoring services, Cisco's ect...).
I get over ruled, because this other company was recommended by our ISP...
They wipe out our MRP system for the month of December, Keep us from shipping product for the better part of the month. Finally they get the system installed, wipe out email for one of our two subnets, still not resolved, keep pointing fingers at everyone as to why things aren't working, first the ISP, then the Bay Network stacks that connect the two networks, then our computers, ect. They go way over budget, a firewall that was supposed to cost $10,000 has now cost us $30,000. And to top it off the proxy server blue screens every 24 to 36 hours...
Solution I blow up at the one of the VP's so bad on friday that he closes his door and we get into a shouting match. I doubt I will get a favorable review this year, but we are heaving that Windows 2000 Server Proxy server running otis proxy software into the dumpster and reconfiguring the Cisco 2611 it was behind to properly route data from the two subnets to the outside world and act as a firewall. Then placing Zone Alarm on the individual user machines as a second layer Firewall.
Who will reconfigure the Cisco, probally the same consultants...
You can't win, I've had plenty of computer consultants leave really bad tastes in my mouth.
TastesLikeHerringFlavoredChicken
>Yeah, I don't get it either. It's literally
>TEN TIMES as expensive as Delphi for Windows.
>I guess they're a bit worried about support
>costs on Linux..
Umm, the Kylix Desktop version is $999 vs. Delphi Pro which is $799.
The Delphi 5 Standard Edition (student) is $99 vs. the free GPL'd Kylix version wich will be released this summer (?).
TastesLikeHerringFlavoredChicken
Everyone seems to a little upset with the $999 pro and $1999 enterprise price. If you look at the price of Delphi 5 which Kylix is supposed to replace you'll notice that they raised the price of the 'PRO' edition $200, and dropped the price of the 'enterprise' edition $500. Plus they are releasing a free GPL'd version that cost's nothing compared to the $99 for standard.
Personally I think this is very competive for the tools. I currently use Delphi 5 Pro and will be upgrading to the Kylix Pro version when it comes out.
My complaint, give me an upgrade price from Delphi 5 to Kylix Pro that is in line with the Delphi 5 upgrade price!
To be fair Borland did invest a fair amount of money in the product, and put themselves out on a limb announcing it as coming soon at the Borcon 2000. About time they final got it out the door, guess they where true to there word that they would not release it before it is ready. I have warm fuzzies about this one.
TastesLikeHerringFlavoredChicken
Let's not forget 01-27-1967 when we lost three on the pad...
Besides, I would argue what destroyed the US space program has deeper roots than Dan Goldin, Deeper than Challenger, Deeper than the Decision not to build the F1 flyback option, Deeper than the decision to scrap the X-20, All the way back to the decision to seperate the civilian program from the military programs and have NASA place spam in a can in orbit instead of the progression from X-1 to X-15 to X-20 to a truely reusable space vehicle. Instead we wasted our money on Spam in a Can and made a partially reusable white elephant. We can thank Kennedy (oh and he's dead to).
TastesLikeHerringFlavoredChicken
CO2 is an infared laser (10,600nm) I'm talking about the hot (way cool, lottso research money) short wavelength laser's used in micro lithography (can we say etching semi-conductor photo resist). The "next" generation's will be 193nm and then 157nm. These wavelength's where chosen because they are sandard laser lines.
let's see...
193 nm - gas ARF2 (as in Argon Flourine)
157 nm - gas F2 (as in Flourine)
pulled gasses off of LambdaPhysik's web site.
Heck Yes...
Kennedy's big problem was saber rattling!
Admittily Regean was scary, but no president before or after Kennedy brought us closer to the brink.
Look at the real facts, we had 10 long range bombers for every one of Russia's, we had ~50 deployed ICBM's vs's Russia's less than 10. We could strike Russia from bases in Turkey, Europe, Japan, and Alaska. We had a large Carrier fleet that they lacked. They would have to launch any attack against the US from Siberia or an ill equiped navy.
Cuba was an attempt to gain parity with the US, remember this whole period can be summed up as Russian's Bluff. They where bluffing to offset weaknesses and hole's in the russian economy and defenses. If the Dem's and Kennedy hadn't been so set on MAD (instead of parity) Cuba would not have happened.
btw. I grabbed the numbers from '...the Heavens and the Earth, a Political History of the Space Age' by Walter McDougal, the book won the 1986 Pulitzer for History. Well worth the read, if it's still in print.
As an aside...
TwP is right, you are off by a factor of 10.
70-60 nm is well in the extreme UV range.
UV starts below about 300nm (for my work, I say 250nm, I know some that say 350nm)
Air (H2O, O2) starts interfering below 200nm
N2 (~70% of air) starts interfering below ~150nm
And it is very hard to take measurements below 120nm. Most measurements below 200nm are done under a High Vacuum ( lees than 10^-5 Torr).
The visible range is red (~700nm) to violet (~350/400nm).
Communications Solid Lasers work between 1.4 um (1400nm) and 650 nm...
Part of the problem with Deep Blue and UV sources is that the photon's carry enough energy to start breaking atomic bonds, leading to the optical elements degrading over time as they are etched by the light source. That will limit how low you can go in a consumer device, since you don't want to sell a product that has to be serviced every 500 hrs. In the extreme UV that is the case.
btw. the hot non-solid state laser wavelength numbers are 193nm and 157nm. Can not remember the laser types, sorry.
Yes let's get DoubleLick involved, instead of the vote being recorded electronically in nanoseconds it will now take tens of minutes and there will always be a cookie left behind with who you voted for ;-)
And they could then charge each canidate for every vote they received...
Partial to NY's good ole mechanical voting machines
TastesLikeHerringFlavoredChicken
Finally a space article that didn't come from cnn...
Kudo's
To bad Space Elevators are the Super Dense Optical Storage Devices of Space Industry. A Red Herring.
suggested Space News Site's spaceflightnow
SpaceDaily
NasaWatch
SpaceWeather
Nasa
It's ashame that SpaceOnline bit the dust and was absorbed by space.com, along with SpaceViews
If you want some real action become a Nasa click worker at http://clickworkers.arc.nasa.gov/top
Maybe Slashdot will even do a story on it...
I wait with herring baited breath
Take this example...
...go figure
My sister has a BS in English
She's an IT person for a large Wall street company...
Or my example, BS Electric Engineering,
MS Computer Integrated Manufacturing.
Spend my days programming the UI for lab instrument's.
(And scare all the females away because I'm an engineer,
(or would that smoking protype board have something to do with it, FIRE!!!!))
Fire's out (time to hang in slashdot till my boss cool's down, couldn't of been my fault, I'm software),
In the past industry has said, get grounded in the real world and we will show you how to code it. The more you know outside of the computer, the more usable you are to an employer.
Being able to handle a fire exstinguisher is a real plus (oh boy...).
TastesLikerHerringFlavoredChicken