strings on the binary doesnt show much. i dont have any machines i feel like trashing at the moment, and i'm happy just trapping and deleting it anyway.
We've trapped a few in the email system (prior to infection), but I've been noticing a lot of port 137 activity that I believe is tied to the virus. The main difference between legitimate traffic and the viral traffic is the lack of a broadcast bit (real ms network traffic will be sent broadcast, the virus sends machine to machine), and a source port of 1024-1030 rather than 137.
The junk from the printer is probably due to the random network traffic it sends out.
Some stats for people who like numbers:
1944 viruses ( 18 different strains ) found since Sat, 31 Aug 2002
Virus: W32/Klez-H found 1603 times (82 %)
Virus: W32/Yaha-E found 166 times (8 %)
Virus: W32/Sircam-A found 93 times (4 %)
Virus: W32/Bugbear-A found 23 times (1 %)
Virus: W32/Magistr-B found 20 times (1 %)
Virus: W32/Nimda-D found 7 times (
Virus: W95/CIH-10xx found 5 times (
Virus: W32/Yaha-D found 5 times (
Virus: W32/Klez-E found 5 times (
Virus: W32/Nimda-A found 4 times (
Virus: W32/Hybris-B found 4 times (
Virus: VBS/Redlof-A found 2 times (
Virus: W32/Cervivec-A found 1 times (
Virus: W32/Hybris-C found 1 times (
Virus: W32/Weird-10240 found 1 times (
Virus: W32/Klez-Fam found 1 times (
Virus: WM97/Marker-Fam found 1 times (
Virus: W32/Magistr-A found 1 times (
Conceptually, the logic states that there should be multiple backbones through multiple geographic areas, such that a failure of one provider could be dealt with by routing traffic through the alternate backbone. Realistically this is difficult and expensive, and the primary reason that there are very few top tier connections running across the united states.
If you look at the map from 1992 (NSF Net | XO OC192 Network), you'll notice that there really are only 2 main paths from east coast to west coast. The southern path is probably at least slightly affected by the incoming hurricaine, and the northern path seems to be overloaded or failing for some other reason.
Precautions? Make sure the hardware is sound and easily replaced, and that alternate routes are available in case of failure. The problem is finding alternate routes that aren't completely congested due to the failure.
Ford doesn't sell cars at a loss, knowing that people have to buy gas/parts from them.
Microsoft does sell consoles at a loss, making nearly all of their money on the games sold for the consoles. Mod chips allow people to pirate games, and thus cost not only microsoft, but the original authors of the game substantial amounts of money.
I have no problem with Microsoft shutting down people that sell aids in priracy. As a software developer, I respect their ability to own their software, no matter what form it may take. If the users disagree with this, they should not be buying Microsoft consoles.
Please, ignore the poorly worded intro on slashdot, and read the article for yourself. The City Council, responding to a fatal stabbing and other crimes at this Los Angeles suburb's many cyber cafes, placed a 45-day moratorium Tuesday on the opening of any more of the establishments. (emphasis added)
They're not shutting anyone down. They're putting in place an 8pm curfew on weeknights, and asking that the established cafes enforce the standard 10pm curfew the on the weekend.
Please, lets not let this turn into "this city is trying to take the internet away from the people because there are violent video games on the computers". This is a response to gang related stabbings. It has nothing to do with the internet, or geeks, or nerds, or whatever you choose to call yourself. It has everything to do with a rise in the number of cafes in a bad area, and the consequential rise in gang activity at those cafes.
I'll second this. I really hate to post "me too" type shit, but nobody here today seems to understand the real problem.
Garden Grove isnt trying to block the internet. They're not even trying to close down all internet cafes. From the article: The City Council, responding to a fatal stabbing and other crimes at this Los Angeles suburb's many cyber cafes, placed a 45-day moratorium Tuesday on the opening of any more of the establishments.They're not closing the open establishments, they're merely blocking the creation of any new cafes.
The problem the city is having is that the area, much like most of north orange county (which is where garden grove is, if you didnt know), is a mix of upper middle class (mostly white) suburbanites and lower middle class (mostly asian) residents. In this area, asian gangs are common, and are common problems. Stopping the creation of new cafes gives the gang task force time to catch up to the boom, and keep things under control.
Yea, I live down the 57 from garden grove, and it is a nice place....
Except it's dominated by asian gangs. The problem isnt the internet cafes, or the games played within. The problem is that the internet cafes are placed in an area known to have a substantial gang problem. Combine: 1) a bunch of young people and 2) an area known to have a high gang population and you're bound to have conflicts. THAT is what happened (just for refernce, I saw the story of the stabbing on the local news the night it happened. definitely gang related, according to everyone involved).
It's Microsoft. Despite what they would tell you, I think there's a real stigma with having Microsoft's name attached to something at this point. Despite the reality, to the average Joe it means this thing is going to crash often and not work the way I want it to.
This is the one thing I dont think most slashdot readers understand fully.
The true "average joe" doesnt think microsoft is bad. They dont leave their computers on for 20 days at a time, and they dont test them hard enough to force them to crash. Some may have noticed a crash or two, but thought very little of it.
I was taking a drive with my girlfriend's father, talking about computers, and I mentioned that I dont run windows... He sat there with a blank look on his face. He's a smart man, owns a decent computer, but isnt a computer nerd, and doesnt worry about the ins-and-outs of the computer world. To him, microsoft is all there is, and that's fine. They make software that does everything he wants to do. If he needs something for his computer, he goes to microsoft or dell, and gets it from them. That's just how life is.
You may push your computer hard enough to crash windows. I, personally, push mine hard enough to crash freebsd from time to time. That makes us exceptions: most people very rarely crash their windows computers, and look at microsoft as a provider of the computer world. Is this right? Well, I have a hard time aruging that anything open source has produced tops the Office suite, and I've yet to have XP crash on me, so perhaps it's not too far fetched.
I do agree with you that it really means nothing to Tivo and ReplayTV, but saying the stigma of microsoft was it's own downfall seems short sighted: the name microsoft probably meant more along the lines of "hey, I've heard of this company before. that's what's on my computer at work!" than "this shit's gonna crash on me."
Make sure you note the massive amounts of -1 moderations, all done simultaneously, obviously by an editor.
Stand up. Make your voice heard. Tell the slashdot staff you will not tolerate editor moderation on large scales, such as this!
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and i attempt cast multiple votes on slashdot, consistently, not because it works, but because i get bored and have nothing better to do than hit refresh to see what new comments have shown up on the page....
it's possible the 228 votes were one person hitting reload to see the current status, not attempting to vote, but rather attempting to view the resulting page.
If you're listening to Star (I'm assuming it's the same star I know of in LA), you might like some of the shows on KFI (am 640).
Definitely worth catching is weekdays, 7-10pm, the Phil Hendrie show (nationally syndicated, check your local listings kids!). By far one of the most intelligent, but hysterical, shows I've ever witnessed. Phil (the host) calls his own show, with a fake name/voice/character, and he proceeds to interview this fake character. What makes it hilarious is the characters are all incredibly stupid or offensive... A summary (from philhendrieshow.com ) is below:
Phil and the Orange County Courier entertainment reporter Doug Danger chat about the "predicted" success of the recently released film, Oceans 11. Mr. Danger points out to Phil and the listeners that in the previous week, he had wrote in his movie review column that the remake of the Sinatra classic would "clear the stench" left by the popular children's film Harry Potter. Doug went on to express his frustration with the fact that "because he's a GAY MAN & a GAY JOURNALIST" that the folks in charge of publicity failed to use his prediction in the advertising of Oceans 11! The listeners have a problem with Dougs statement and try to explain that maybe him being an egotistical no talent hack could be the reason his review wasn't used but Doug is adamint on the fact that his sexuality made people nervous and nobody likes it when a "GAY MAN & A GAY JOURNALIST" is right!!!
PLUS:
On the "Point of View" segment of the show, Phil talks with Dave Oliva, a law enforcement student at L.A. Mission College, regarding Americas role in the upcoming Winter Olympics. Daves "point of view" is that The United States has "had its ass handed to itself" in most of the winter games and with all that's going on in the world (you know...The stuff with Afghanistan)America should bow out of the Olympics this year. Phil agrees with Dave that yea maybe we ain't the best in the winter sports but we are hosting them this year so bowing out probably isn't a good idea. But Dave looks at our "lack luster" performance as ammo for guys like Osama bin Laden to use against America..."With all that's going on, we as Americans can't afford to look like Finlands Bitch!"
Getting the point yet? Everyone has holes. Everyone releases patches. It just happens that microsoft designs their code for ease of use, and because of that there happen to be a lot of unqualified microsoft admins. This isnt a MS problem. This is a side effect of their popularity.
You people (anti ms zealots) really do amaze me sometimes. You assume everything has holes because it's windows. You assume anything that isnt windows is perfect and immune from exploits.
Let's look at pure facts.
This week, a remote root exploit was discovered in wu-ftpd. Have ALL of you patched your servers? Also last week, another windows worm surfaced. Looking at the two, which is more serious? Obviously the remote root exploit is far worse, chalk one up for windows.
You might say: "but you can patch wu-ftpd" or "you can run other ftp servers", to which I can respond "you can patch windows" and "you dont have to use outlook, nor do you have to use the 'preview panel'".
Everyone at slashdot is going to laugh and point fingers, sit back and say that windows is not secure so this man must be a fool. Why wont the people at slashdot, who are supposed to be intelligent free thinkers consider that windows, like EVERY OTHER OPERATING SYSTEM ON THE PLANET, is only as secure as the admin running the system, and any untrained staff running bad code with extra privileges can ruin any system?
Windows has flaws and exploits. So do linux, *bsd, and solaris. Patches come out. People who patch are survive, those that do not get rooted. This isnt something limited just to unix: it holds true for windows as well. A knowledgable admin, who keeps up with security updates, can keep any system sufficiently secure. Microsoft products are no exception.
But they don't; in fact, they don't even accept bug reports!
They absolutely do... I'm convinced that IE6 is as stable as it is because IE5.5 had the option to send in core dumps every time it crashed (with a privacy pop-up first making sure you WANTED to send it in).... yep, I'd call that a sufficient bug report...
Also, if you click the "help" tab, then "send feedback report",.... yep, that's for bug reporting too...
the only time ie6 has ever crashed on this win2k box is after installing the ws_ftp "browser plugin"... ever since then, it crashes on ftp sites. Other than that, no bugs or crashes at all.
you missed my point... i was simply saying that there are LOTS of stupid default installs, and IE's privacy-leaking-go-to-msn-on-404-errors is the least of the problems.
That's a bit besides the point. A good program should be secure by default. Almost any program can be secured by "configuring it correctly". This implies that it's secure for you and me, but not for Joe and Jane Normaluser.
Apply this concept to the default linux install. (yes, the one that installs bind, apache, sendmail 8.11.3, wu-ftpd, and telnetd)...
sure, security is important. but knowing how to secure something is more important than running something that comes secure. Otherwise we'd all be running openbsd (instead of me running freebsd and you probably running linux).
Just my $.02 on why Mozilla is better:
- Mozilla is Open Source
Zealots aside, why is this better? Have you modified any of the source code? Have you contributed? Have you searched through it to make sure there are no back doors that mail out your keystrokes? Or are you karma whoring?
- Mozilla won't accept activeX or other such nonsense
Which limit's its use on heavily scripted, harmless, usefull sites. True, it saves you from mailicious porn webmasters who want to install their dialer programs, but that's not a problem if you know how to set up your internet security zones on IE.
- You can disable Mozilla's JS window.open()
A nice feature, true, but what happens when you go to click on a "help" icon and it can't open a new window?
- Mozilla has tabbled browsing
Which slows down the quick alt+tab everyone uses to switch between browser windows...
- Mozilla is standards compliant
Which is again nice, but means nothing if developers dont make their sites for standards, which they dont....
- Mozilla doesn't redirect you to MSN (or AOL for that matter) and spill your privacy for all to see
Nor does IE, if you configure it correctly.
- Mozilla has a development team that cares about the end product
More ramblings from a zealot. I'm sure the IE programmers care about IE. They just dont feel the need to sit around and pat each other on the back in public message boards.
- Mozilla has site-specific image and cookie management
Internet privacy zones. From your top menu in IE6: tools -> internet options -> privacy -> click the edit button. Yep, it works in IE on a site by site basis.
- Mozilla is stable (close to 100%) and won't bring down the OS when it crashes
Just like IE6 (which hasnt ever crashed on me, even though I use it roughly 14 hours a day, 7 days a week, for the past few months)
So.... yea, you like mozilla. that's cool. use what you like.... just realize that every one of my arguments is absolutely true, meaning IE is "better and better" too...
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Why bother with the ozone layer? It's a cyclical beast, it's shrinking by itself... 1, 2, 3.
in ms dos binary form (WARNING - DONT CLICK UNLESS YOU REALLY REALLY WANT IT).
strings on the binary doesnt show much. i dont have any machines i feel like trashing at the moment, and i'm happy just trapping and deleting it anyway.
headers snipped.
....
here
We've trapped a few in the email system (prior to infection), but I've been noticing a lot of port 137 activity that I believe is tied to the virus. The main difference between legitimate traffic and the viral traffic is the lack of a broadcast bit (real ms network traffic will be sent broadcast, the virus sends machine to machine), and a source port of 1024-1030 rather than 137.
The junk from the printer is probably due to the random network traffic it sends out.
Some stats for people who like numbers:
1944 viruses ( 18 different strains ) found since Sat, 31 Aug 2002
Virus: W32/Klez-H found 1603 times (82 %)
Virus: W32/Yaha-E found 166 times (8 %)
Virus: W32/Sircam-A found 93 times (4 %)
Virus: W32/Bugbear-A found 23 times (1 %)
Virus: W32/Magistr-B found 20 times (1 %)
Virus: W32/Nimda-D found 7 times ( Virus: W95/CIH-10xx found 5 times ( Virus: W32/Yaha-D found 5 times ( Virus: W32/Klez-E found 5 times ( Virus: W32/Nimda-A found 4 times ( Virus: W32/Hybris-B found 4 times ( Virus: VBS/Redlof-A found 2 times ( Virus: W32/Cervivec-A found 1 times ( Virus: W32/Hybris-C found 1 times ( Virus: W32/Weird-10240 found 1 times ( Virus: W32/Klez-Fam found 1 times ( Virus: WM97/Marker-Fam found 1 times ( Virus: W32/Magistr-A found 1 times (
Conceptually, the logic states that there should be multiple backbones through multiple geographic areas, such that a failure of one provider could be dealt with by routing traffic through the alternate backbone. Realistically this is difficult and expensive, and the primary reason that there are very few top tier connections running across the united states.
If you look at the map from 1992 (NSF Net | XO OC192 Network), you'll notice that there really are only 2 main paths from east coast to west coast. The southern path is probably at least slightly affected by the incoming hurricaine, and the northern path seems to be overloaded or failing for some other reason.
Precautions? Make sure the hardware is sound and easily replaced, and that alternate routes are available in case of failure. The problem is finding alternate routes that aren't completely congested due to the failure.
Ford doesn't sell cars at a loss, knowing that people have to buy gas/parts from them.
Microsoft does sell consoles at a loss, making nearly all of their money on the games sold for the consoles. Mod chips allow people to pirate games, and thus cost not only microsoft, but the original authors of the game substantial amounts of money.
I have no problem with Microsoft shutting down people that sell aids in priracy. As a software developer, I respect their ability to own their software, no matter what form it may take. If the users disagree with this, they should not be buying Microsoft consoles.
cd is built into the shell ... but bash (ie: the most common shell) is a GNU tool too.
Other things like grep, sed, diff, and all of the development tools also quite vital to linux.
Please, ignore the poorly worded intro on slashdot, and read the article for yourself. The City Council, responding to a fatal stabbing and other crimes at this Los Angeles suburb's many cyber cafes, placed a 45-day moratorium Tuesday on the opening of any more of the establishments. (emphasis added)
They're not shutting anyone down. They're putting in place an 8pm curfew on weeknights, and asking that the established cafes enforce the standard 10pm curfew the on the weekend.
Please, lets not let this turn into "this city is trying to take the internet away from the people because there are violent video games on the computers". This is a response to gang related stabbings. It has nothing to do with the internet, or geeks, or nerds, or whatever you choose to call yourself. It has everything to do with a rise in the number of cafes in a bad area, and the consequential rise in gang activity at those cafes.
I'll second this. I really hate to post "me too" type shit, but nobody here today seems to understand the real problem.
Garden Grove isnt trying to block the internet. They're not even trying to close down all internet cafes. From the article: The City Council, responding to a fatal stabbing and other crimes at this Los Angeles suburb's many cyber cafes, placed a 45-day moratorium Tuesday on the opening of any more of the establishments. They're not closing the open establishments, they're merely blocking the creation of any new cafes.
The problem the city is having is that the area, much like most of north orange county (which is where garden grove is, if you didnt know), is a mix of upper middle class (mostly white) suburbanites and lower middle class (mostly asian) residents. In this area, asian gangs are common, and are common problems. Stopping the creation of new cafes gives the gang task force time to catch up to the boom, and keep things under control.
Yea, I live down the 57 from garden grove, and it is a nice place ....
Except it's dominated by asian gangs. The problem isnt the internet cafes, or the games played within. The problem is that the internet cafes are placed in an area known to have a substantial gang problem. Combine: 1) a bunch of young people and 2) an area known to have a high gang population and you're bound to have conflicts. THAT is what happened (just for refernce, I saw the story of the stabbing on the local news the night it happened. definitely gang related, according to everyone involved).
the box the amd chips come in says "designed for windows XP"
It's Microsoft. Despite what they would tell you, I think there's a real stigma with having Microsoft's name attached to something at this point. Despite the reality, to the average Joe it means this thing is going to crash often and not work the way I want it to.
... He sat there with a blank look on his face. He's a smart man, owns a decent computer, but isnt a computer nerd, and doesnt worry about the ins-and-outs of the computer world. To him, microsoft is all there is, and that's fine. They make software that does everything he wants to do. If he needs something for his computer, he goes to microsoft or dell, and gets it from them. That's just how life is.
This is the one thing I dont think most slashdot readers understand fully.
The true "average joe" doesnt think microsoft is bad. They dont leave their computers on for 20 days at a time, and they dont test them hard enough to force them to crash. Some may have noticed a crash or two, but thought very little of it.
I was taking a drive with my girlfriend's father, talking about computers, and I mentioned that I dont run windows
You may push your computer hard enough to crash windows. I, personally, push mine hard enough to crash freebsd from time to time. That makes us exceptions: most people very rarely crash their windows computers, and look at microsoft as a provider of the computer world. Is this right? Well, I have a hard time aruging that anything open source has produced tops the Office suite, and I've yet to have XP crash on me, so perhaps it's not too far fetched.
I do agree with you that it really means nothing to Tivo and ReplayTV, but saying the stigma of microsoft was it's own downfall seems short sighted: the name microsoft probably meant more along the lines of "hey, I've heard of this company before. that's what's on my computer at work!" than "this shit's gonna crash on me."
they never said you werent allowed to break it.
they merely said you werent allowed to PUBLISH your solution.
Dont allow the slashdot editors to hide information from you.
READ IT FOR YOURSELF.
Make sure you note the massive amounts of -1 moderations, all done simultaneously, obviously by an editor.
Stand up. Make your voice heard. Tell the slashdot staff you will not tolerate editor moderation on large scales, such as this!
Donate three karma to the cause of fighting censorship on slashdot! Post your support in the thread at +2, and let the editors moderate you to -1. You, too, can donate your karma for a worthy cause, as a visible example of censorship in action.
Dont allow the slashdot editors to hide information from you.
READ IT FOR YOURSELF.
Make sure you note the massive amounts of -1 moderations, all done simultaneously, obviously by an editor.
Stand up. Make your voice heard. Tell the slashdot staff you will not tolerate editor moderation on large scales, such as this!
and i attempt cast multiple votes on slashdot, consistently, not because it works, but because i get bored and have nothing better to do than hit refresh to see what new comments have shown up on the page ....
it's possible the 228 votes were one person hitting reload to see the current status, not attempting to vote, but rather attempting to view the resulting page.
If you're listening to Star (I'm assuming it's the same star I know of in LA), you might like some of the shows on KFI (am 640).
Definitely worth catching is weekdays, 7-10pm, the Phil Hendrie show (nationally syndicated, check your local listings kids!). By far one of the most intelligent, but hysterical, shows I've ever witnessed. Phil (the host) calls his own show, with a fake name/voice/character, and he proceeds to interview this fake character. What makes it hilarious is the characters are all incredibly stupid or offensive... A summary (from philhendrieshow.com ) is below:
Hire someone from a company known for its inability to make secure software, and put him in charge of what his company always did poorly.
Who would you prefer?
Getting the point yet? Everyone has holes. Everyone releases patches. It just happens that microsoft designs their code for ease of use, and because of that there happen to be a lot of unqualified microsoft admins. This isnt a MS problem. This is a side effect of their popularity.
You people (anti ms zealots) really do amaze me sometimes. You assume everything has holes because it's windows. You assume anything that isnt windows is perfect and immune from exploits.
Let's look at pure facts.
This week, a remote root exploit was discovered in wu-ftpd. Have ALL of you patched your servers? Also last week, another windows worm surfaced. Looking at the two, which is more serious? Obviously the remote root exploit is far worse, chalk one up for windows.
You might say: "but you can patch wu-ftpd" or "you can run other ftp servers", to which I can respond "you can patch windows" and "you dont have to use outlook, nor do you have to use the 'preview panel'".
Everyone at slashdot is going to laugh and point fingers, sit back and say that windows is not secure so this man must be a fool. Why wont the people at slashdot, who are supposed to be intelligent free thinkers consider that windows, like EVERY OTHER OPERATING SYSTEM ON THE PLANET, is only as secure as the admin running the system, and any untrained staff running bad code with extra privileges can ruin any system?
Windows has flaws and exploits. So do linux, *bsd, and solaris. Patches come out. People who patch are survive, those that do not get rooted. This isnt something limited just to unix: it holds true for windows as well. A knowledgable admin, who keeps up with security updates, can keep any system sufficiently secure. Microsoft products are no exception.
someone should probably find a way to fix that ....
I work for the unix dept. at the claremont colleges (just outside of LA), 7 schools (averaging about 800 students each), on a single class B.
But they don't; in fact, they don't even accept bug reports!
... I'm convinced that IE6 is as stable as it is because IE5.5 had the option to send in core dumps every time it crashed (with a privacy pop-up first making sure you WANTED to send it in) .... yep, I'd call that a sufficient bug report ...
.... yep, that's for bug reporting too...
They absolutely do
Also, if you click the "help" tab, then "send feedback report",
the only time ie6 has ever crashed on this win2k box is after installing the ws_ftp "browser plugin" ... ever since then, it crashes on ftp sites. Other than that, no bugs or crashes at all.
you missed my point ... i was simply saying that there are LOTS of stupid default installs, and IE's privacy-leaking-go-to-msn-on-404-errors is the least of the problems.
That's a bit besides the point. A good program should be secure by default. Almost any program can be secured by "configuring it correctly". This implies that it's secure for you and me, but not for Joe and Jane Normaluser.
...
Apply this concept to the default linux install. (yes, the one that installs bind, apache, sendmail 8.11.3, wu-ftpd, and telnetd)
sure, security is important. but knowing how to secure something is more important than running something that comes secure. Otherwise we'd all be running openbsd (instead of me running freebsd and you probably running linux).
Just my $.02 on why Mozilla is better:
- Mozilla is Open Source
Zealots aside, why is this better? Have you modified any of the source code? Have you contributed? Have you searched through it to make sure there are no back doors that mail out your keystrokes? Or are you karma whoring?
- Mozilla won't accept activeX or other such nonsense
Which limit's its use on heavily scripted, harmless, usefull sites. True, it saves you from mailicious porn webmasters who want to install their dialer programs, but that's not a problem if you know how to set up your internet security zones on IE.
- You can disable Mozilla's JS window.open()
A nice feature, true, but what happens when you go to click on a "help" icon and it can't open a new window?
- Mozilla has tabbled browsing
Which slows down the quick alt+tab everyone uses to switch between browser windows...
- Mozilla is standards compliant
Which is again nice, but means nothing if developers dont make their sites for standards, which they dont
- Mozilla doesn't redirect you to MSN (or AOL for that matter) and spill your privacy for all to see
Nor does IE, if you configure it correctly.
- Mozilla has a development team that cares about the end product
More ramblings from a zealot. I'm sure the IE programmers care about IE. They just dont feel the need to sit around and pat each other on the back in public message boards.
- Mozilla has site-specific image and cookie management
Internet privacy zones. From your top menu in IE6: tools -> internet options -> privacy -> click the edit button. Yep, it works in IE on a site by site basis.
- Mozilla is stable (close to 100%) and won't bring down the OS when it crashes
Just like IE6 (which hasnt ever crashed on me, even though I use it roughly 14 hours a day, 7 days a week, for the past few months)
So.... yea, you like mozilla. that's cool. use what you like.... just realize that every one of my arguments is absolutely true, meaning IE is "better and better" too...