I see you even own a prius, to bad you simple don't know much about how they work. It's good that you have interest in them. I've been into them since the long before first production ones were built and have been working on them for 4 years. I try to help people better understand them. But I feel there is no way you will let go of many of your ideas. I don't know where you picked up some of your stuff, or your termanology (sp) but it's not very accurate.
But I'm happy you enjoy your prius they are nice, and fun to drive. I wish I had some place to point you to for better info, but it comes down to most sites out there no nothing past what the automakers put out with pres releases. And many out there are completely wrong. I would sugest www.futuretruck.org to you. I have been part of one of the teams since it's start. And before that was futurecar, I belive there is links to that info. I hope you might be able to get a better understanding from this.
You can do both with the same motor. This is what we do on one of the hybrids i work on. The motor assist on launch, but much of the time it is just making power. By doing this it's putting load on the engine to reduce emmisions. Also it is used for regenerative braking. You don't need two motors to generate electricity and propel the vehicle, it's all a matter of control strategy.
>>Prius and Civic Hybrid are not specially built. Go to car dealers today and you can test drive them or take it home. Escape "will be available at selected dealers", meaning what? California?
No shit you can buy one. You clearly don't get it. The are specialy built in as they are not just the normal model with a differanct power train. They are built on there own assembly lines then the rest of the models. Any car that is in very low production or needs it's own assembly line compaired to be an option in a platform is a specialty built car. The insight is a complete ground up hybird. The Civic hybrid uses a beefed up version of the insight drive train. Still it needs a fair bit of modifciation to the civic chassis to make it work.
The Escape will not be like this. They just bolt the hybrid bits into the chassis on the same assembly line.
Mild hybrid means it doesn't have a high electric power to IC engine power ratio, the Electric motor in the insight is very small.
No kidding it doesn't get 40mpg all the time. Nether do other hybrids of cars get their peak milage numbers all the time. But when people gove a number for them they give their peaks.
Yeah you could drive a car, i'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. but for a large chunk of people cars are impracticle. Far as SUV's rolling over that 99 percent idiot driver. Cars get flattened by other vehicles easier then SUV's you want to get everyone to not drive a car now? Saying SUV's are bad because the roll easier is just stupid. Just because they have a better chance of rolling over doesn't mean it's going to spontanously roll over. News flash, cars roll over to. Actully seen more of them flipped then SUV's in my life, but i don't go saying they're more likely to flip. SUV's only flip when drivers are stupid, or there is some horrible accident in which case it probably wouldn't matter. Reality is not GTA, just because your vehicle flips doesn't mean you die cause it blows up.
You have it very wrong. The Insight Uses it electric motor at higher speeds and for starting and stopping it's engine. It works rather differant from the prius. It's a mild hybrid do to the small size of it electrical power compaired to it's IC engine power.
Yes you want to have electical power for hills and such. But you also want it for when your doing something that would be wastefull or produce emissions, such as very slow speeds. The insight does not have enough electrical power to drive in EV, and thus never does. The prius on the other hand can drive in EV, in fact revearse is EV only.
You differance is incorrect. What makes it a mild hybrid verse full hybrid is the percentage of power from the electrical drive. You can have full hybirds with one motor. I don't know why you corrected my line about compairing the insight and civic vs. the prius, you said the same thing I did.
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Well the main problem is many of us don't know the length of a swimming pool. It's not a metric issue. We know how long Soccer and Football fields are, not pools. Be same if they used a basket ball court or a hockey ring, no one knows how long and wide they are.
Yes the prius is a production vehicle but it is not very mass production. They don't make many of them. And like i said all the prius shares with the echo is looks.
Far as the hybird parts. Yes the same people designed the escape drivetrain as the prius. But they are fairly differant, the escape's is much more advanced.
In general most parts in cars today come from suppliers that supply parts for many makes. Most car compainies only do the body, core engine, tranny and suspension. Most all the sub-systems are made by suppliers.
I was bummed not to see the Ford Escape HEV that comes out in the fall. It's the first mass production hybrid and is a very practical one at that. It gets 40mpg to in a SUV. It at least is a vehicle that will be on sale, where some of these are just concepts. Apparently uber-practical and avalible wasn't the tech they like. There is only one other real hybrid out there right now and that's the prius, it's nice but not what many people want/need. The insight and civic are mild hybirds and should not be to closely compaired to the prius. Also all of those vehicles are special built. For the Escape, hybrid is just an option, this is why it's mass production. The prius is not an echo option, it's completely differant underneath.
>> This one got me as odd... with the way the "Prius" electric+gas motors work, you actually tend to get much better milage in the city (50-75mpg) than on the highway (45mpg). mechanical). With each transfer you lose energy to heat and such. But for city driving Series in the future will be great. But for now there are none out there.
>> It puts out more horsepower per liter then any other naturally aspirated engine in production (120 HP/L, 240HP total) and revs to 9000 RPM. Does the quarter mile in 13.8 seconds stock, and handles better then most cars on the road.
Most this cars power is worthless. It's in to high of a speed to be good for much. Yes if your going to go for highspeeds it will be nice. But for good performance you need power down low. Most car engines don't do much past around 6Krpm for a reason, it's no good up there. Honda has been hi-reving engines for ever. Due to there motorcycle heritage. The fact is though hi-revs are only good to a point. More than anything the s2000 engine is a marketing tool. They make it sound good to those who don't know crap. Even on their normal cars, IE civics, accords they do this. They wind them out higher then there counter parts to get high HP numbers. Then it sounds like they have the same power as the competition but are much more efficent and clean. When there not. When it comes to real power their rather low compaired to others. It isn't that other car companies can't make high rev-ing engines. It's they don't want to do that. They can if they want, look at any makers racing engines. But it comes down to a car on the street is not a race car on the track.
>> What happens to the plane when it's flown through a building, or some whacko tries to blow it up with his shoes?
for the first case they experiance great amounts of shear stress causing fatigue and yeilding of most the plane. This stress far exceeds the material limits of the plane. Thus it fails.
for the second, the plane lands and the guy with the Nike AirJihads (someone elses term) gets arrested .
yeah, i counted and there is 35 keys i never use or don't need do to being repeats in the whole number pad thing. also i don't really use F keys unless something calls for it like bios stuff. Some keays i have never understood, like "alt" there is only one thing i used it for and that involves 2 other buttons (funny though on a project i worked on the old control system had a hard wired Ctrl-alt-del button, that scared me, it went away. But buttons like page up and down and that block just need to go away. The insert key and caps key are evil and cause more trouble then worth.
>>No, because there's no such thing as good urban camo, and the green camo's utility as a uniform is far better.
Sure there is, Jeans, T-shirt, and sneakers, blend right in. And the gun, well you just put it in your golf club bag.
The reason for someone at a airport wearing camo is simple when you see the guy in camo people know he's the military guy. Not that there isn't your redneck in camo, but i think most can tell the differance. The M16 helps in this way.
>>it brings me to mind of Reagan's famous speech where he wondered what we'd be capable of as a species if we had to band together against some outside threat...
So which one of his script writers dreamed that up? I'm imagining it was the one incharge of sappy heart moving drama lines.
I think a lot of people would change a lot of their policies. I'm sure many would go and get rid of the people who were assholes in their life. Not give them the glory of letting the asteroid do it.
I'm not afraid of flying, or landing, or any of that. I'm afraid of the tool used to fly! I'm a mechanical engineer, planes scare the shit out of me. All my classes i've taken were about how planes fail and why planes suck. Now I'm thinking about everything I have learned when sitting in them, every sound makes me go nuts. Safety factors of 1.3 on something used for 30years under the worste conditions is not good. Thinking about all the stressing from hitting air pockets and landing. The amount of strain from the fusalage expanding and contracting. What happens to engines when birds go through them. These things arn't a problem, most the time. But every now and then that short in the wireing, fatique on the rudder. Bad seal, inproper metal used for rivits (all these causes of crashes). And then you get to feel the might force of being fucked out of life.
The 750 is new, it's not the cheapest thing around, ~$150. But a hard drive is not the nicest thing for tossing in a bag. A zip disk is much smaller than a cd, and basicly indestructable. Iomega actully claims you can drive over them, and one review, tomshardware I belive did just that and it was fine. I have a trust of zero in CD's they are one of the most damagable media's ever. A zip is near impossable to kill non-intentionaly. I have never killed a floppy disk. I've used ones found on the ground that have been driven over, and stepped on and no problem. Lot's of my CDR's don't work do to scratches. Plus cd cases love to break.
I like the computer, it looks great and the construction is top notch. To put it togther involves some nerves do to size, but you can manage. I don't think a pltzer would help you. Shuttle warns not to put anything like a fan or heatsink on the heat pipe by the cpu or you will mess up the cooling. The fan at the top is also a case fan that pulls air through the case, so it must stay. It's the PSU fan that is the problem. I don't know of any fix asside from ripping it out and making an external one. Actully just thinking about it, if one could get a quiet P4 PSU and make a box for it and make some long power leads for it you could have something. A peltzer may work for the nvidia chipset, it has a small one. Though i would thing a big heat sink could alow for it's removal but i don't think it make much noise.
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I see you even own a prius, to bad you simple don't know much about how they work. It's good that you have interest in them. I've been into them since the long before first production ones were built and have been working on them for 4 years. I try to help people better understand them. But I feel there is no way you will let go of many of your ideas. I don't know where you picked up some of your stuff, or your termanology (sp) but it's not very accurate.
But I'm happy you enjoy your prius they are nice, and fun to drive. I wish I had some place to point you to for better info, but it comes down to most sites out there no nothing past what the automakers put out with pres releases. And many out there are completely wrong. I would sugest www.futuretruck.org to you. I have been part of one of the teams since it's start. And before that was futurecar, I belive there is links to that info. I hope you might be able to get a better understanding from this.
You can do both with the same motor. This is what we do on one of the hybrids i work on. The motor assist on launch, but much of the time it is just making power. By doing this it's putting load on the engine to reduce emmisions. Also it is used for regenerative braking. You don't need two motors to generate electricity and propel the vehicle, it's all a matter of control strategy.
>>Prius and Civic Hybrid are not specially built. Go to car dealers today and you can test drive them or take it home. Escape "will be available at selected dealers", meaning what? California?
No shit you can buy one. You clearly don't get it. The are specialy built in as they are not just the normal model with a differanct power train. They are built on there own assembly lines then the rest of the models. Any car that is in very low production or needs it's own assembly line compaired to be an option in a platform is a specialty built car. The insight is a complete ground up hybird. The Civic hybrid uses a beefed up version of the insight drive train. Still it needs a fair bit of modifciation to the civic chassis to make it work.
The Escape will not be like this. They just bolt the hybrid bits into the chassis on the same assembly line.
Mild hybrid means it doesn't have a high electric power to IC engine power ratio, the Electric motor in the insight is very small.
No kidding it doesn't get 40mpg all the time. Nether do other hybrids of cars get their peak milage numbers all the time. But when people gove a number for them they give their peaks.
Yeah you could drive a car, i'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. but for a large chunk of people cars are impracticle. Far as SUV's rolling over that 99 percent idiot driver. Cars get flattened by other vehicles easier then SUV's you want to get everyone to not drive a car now? Saying SUV's are bad because the roll easier is just stupid. Just because they have a better chance of rolling over doesn't mean it's going to spontanously roll over. News flash, cars roll over to. Actully seen more of them flipped then SUV's in my life, but i don't go saying they're more likely to flip. SUV's only flip when drivers are stupid, or there is some horrible accident in which case it probably wouldn't matter. Reality is not GTA, just because your vehicle flips doesn't mean you die cause it blows up.
You have it very wrong. The Insight Uses it electric motor at higher speeds and for starting and stopping it's engine. It works rather differant from the prius. It's a mild hybrid do to the small size of it electrical power compaired to it's IC engine power.
Yes you want to have electical power for hills and such. But you also want it for when your doing something that would be wastefull or produce emissions, such as very slow speeds. The insight does not have enough electrical power to drive in EV, and thus never does. The prius on the other hand can drive in EV, in fact revearse is EV only.
You differance is incorrect. What makes it a mild hybrid verse full hybrid is the percentage of power from the electrical drive. You can have full hybirds with one motor. I don't know why you corrected my line about compairing the insight and civic vs. the prius, you said the same thing I did.
Well the main problem is many of us don't know the length of a swimming pool. It's not a metric issue. We know how long Soccer and Football fields are, not pools. Be same if they used a basket ball court or a hockey ring, no one knows how long and wide they are.
>>You had zeros? We had to use the letter 'o'.
yeah but 'o' is smaller then '0' so you had more compact code.
anyone ever think printing out something like windows or FreeBSD in 1's and 0's on 3 foot wide paper and making wallpaper of it would be neat.
Yes the prius is a production vehicle but it is not very mass production. They don't make many of them. And like i said all the prius shares with the echo is looks.
Far as the hybird parts. Yes the same people designed the escape drivetrain as the prius. But they are fairly differant, the escape's is much more advanced.
In general most parts in cars today come from suppliers that supply parts for many makes. Most car compainies only do the body, core engine, tranny and suspension. Most all the sub-systems are made by suppliers.
I was bummed not to see the Ford Escape HEV that comes out in the fall. It's the first mass production hybrid and is a very practical one at that. It gets 40mpg to in a SUV. It at least is a vehicle that will be on sale, where some of these are just concepts. Apparently uber-practical and avalible wasn't the tech they like. There is only one other real hybrid out there right now and that's the prius, it's nice but not what many people want/need. The insight and civic are mild hybirds and should not be to closely compaired to the prius. Also all of those vehicles are special built. For the Escape, hybrid is just an option, this is why it's mass production. The prius is not an echo option, it's completely differant underneath.
>> This one got me as odd... with the way the "Prius" electric+gas motors work, you actually tend to get much better milage in the city (50-75mpg) than on the highway (45mpg). mechanical). With each transfer you lose energy to heat and such. But for city driving Series in the future will be great. But for now there are none out there.
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>> It puts out more horsepower per liter then any other naturally aspirated engine in production (120 HP/L, 240HP total) and revs to 9000 RPM. Does the quarter mile in 13.8 seconds stock, and handles better then most cars on the road.
Most this cars power is worthless. It's in to high of a speed to be good for much. Yes if your going to go for highspeeds it will be nice. But for good performance you need power down low. Most car engines don't do much past around 6Krpm for a reason, it's no good up there. Honda has been hi-reving engines for ever. Due to there motorcycle heritage. The fact is though hi-revs are only good to a point. More than anything the s2000 engine is a marketing tool. They make it sound good to those who don't know crap. Even on their normal cars, IE civics, accords they do this. They wind them out higher then there counter parts to get high HP numbers. Then it sounds like they have the same power as the competition but are much more efficent and clean. When there not. When it comes to real power their rather low compaired to others. It isn't that other car companies can't make high rev-ing engines. It's they don't want to do that. They can if they want, look at any makers racing engines. But it comes down to a car on the street is not a race car on the track.
>>Found under a bush.
Gee that could be shady, it's really busy under those Bush's with all them trying to blow up saddam and all.
>> Thats why they need a space escilator.
Yeah escilator would be great till you got to the top and your space suite gets sucked into that crack and ripped off you. Be very embarresing.
>> What happens to the plane when it's flown through a building, or some whacko tries to blow it up with his shoes?
for the first case they experiance great amounts of shear stress causing fatigue and yeilding of most the plane. This stress far exceeds the material limits of the plane. Thus it fails.
for the second, the plane lands and the guy with the Nike AirJihads (someone elses term) gets arrested .
yeah, i counted and there is 35 keys i never use or don't need do to being repeats in the whole number pad thing. also i don't really use F keys unless something calls for it like bios stuff. Some keays i have never understood, like "alt" there is only one thing i used it for and that involves 2 other buttons (funny though on a project i worked on the old control system had a hard wired Ctrl-alt-del button, that scared me, it went away. But buttons like page up and down and that block just need to go away. The insert key and caps key are evil and cause more trouble then worth.
>>No, because there's no such thing as good urban camo, and the green camo's utility as a uniform is far better.
Sure there is, Jeans, T-shirt, and sneakers, blend right in. And the gun, well you just put it in your golf club bag.
The reason for someone at a airport wearing camo is simple when you see the guy in camo people know he's the military guy. Not that there isn't your redneck in camo, but i think most can tell the differance. The M16 helps in this way.
>> Yes, if we had 3 weeks we might be able to find a team of oil drillers to go up there with our currently non-existent super space shuttles.
definitly a problem seeing our current non-super space shuttles are getting rare.
>>it brings me to mind of Reagan's famous speech where he wondered what we'd be capable of as a species if we had to band together against some outside threat...
So which one of his script writers dreamed that up?
I'm imagining it was the one incharge of sappy heart moving drama lines.
I think a lot of people would change a lot of their policies. I'm sure many would go and get rid of the people who were assholes in their life. Not give them the glory of letting the asteroid do it.
I'm not afraid of flying, or landing, or any of that. I'm afraid of the tool used to fly! I'm a mechanical engineer, planes scare the shit out of me. All my classes i've taken were about how planes fail and why planes suck. Now I'm thinking about everything I have learned when sitting in them, every sound makes me go nuts. Safety factors of 1.3 on something used for 30years under the worste conditions is not good. Thinking about all the stressing from hitting air pockets and landing. The amount of strain from the fusalage expanding and contracting. What happens to engines when birds go through them. These things arn't a problem, most the time. But every now and then that short in the wireing, fatique on the rudder. Bad seal, inproper metal used for rivits (all these causes of crashes). And then you get to feel the might force of being fucked out of life.
Is my tinfoil hat still good? Or do I have to make some sort up Duct Tape upgrade?
>>To me, for such a dangerous - yet absolutely worthwhile - endeavor, that is a pretty damned good track record.
You just Jinxed the Space Shuttle Endeavor so bad! Hope your happy.
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The 750 is new, it's not the cheapest thing around, ~$150. But a hard drive is not the nicest thing for tossing in a bag. A zip disk is much smaller than a cd, and basicly indestructable. Iomega actully claims you can drive over them, and one review, tomshardware I belive did just that and it was fine. I have a trust of zero in CD's they are one of the most damagable media's ever. A zip is near impossable to kill non-intentionaly. I have never killed a floppy disk. I've used ones found on the ground that have been driven over, and stepped on and no problem. Lot's of my CDR's don't work do to scratches. Plus cd cases love to break.
I like the computer, it looks great and the construction is top notch. To put it togther involves some nerves do to size, but you can manage. I don't think a pltzer would help you. Shuttle warns not to put anything like a fan or heatsink on the heat pipe by the cpu or you will mess up the cooling. The fan at the top is also a case fan that pulls air through the case, so it must stay. It's the PSU fan that is the problem. I don't know of any fix asside from ripping it out and making an external one. Actully just thinking about it, if one could get a quiet P4 PSU and make a box for it and make some long power leads for it you could have something. A peltzer may work for the nvidia chipset, it has a small one. Though i would thing a big heat sink could alow for it's removal but i don't think it make much noise.