They haven't had a few planes flown into their skyscrapers which killed a few thousand people
no. they were crushed by the nazi war machine while america sat on it's ass though.:)
seriously. how many of the sept-11 pilots were iraqi? zero.
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The monster helped to contain another monster -- Iran -- as you point out
and where, exactly, did the iranian "monster" come from? well, in 1941 the allies invaded iran and deposed the shah. miracle of miracles, the new power structure in iran was decided by an election. the guy they elected was a chap called Mossadegh. Mossadegh did a lot of things... most of them very popular with the iranian people (he was even time's man of the year for 1951!). unfortunately, he decided to nationalize the iranina oil reserves. such a move was not popular with the us government as it limited foreign (read: us and british) investment in/control of the oil industry in iran. the solution was for the cia to orchestrate an overthrow of Mossadegh and a re-implemnentation of the shah. this, of course, they did and gave the people of iran 26 years of murderous dictatorship.
the rule of the shah resulted in two things in iran: 1. a hatred of the shah and a desire to oust him 2. a distrust of the united states who had put him there in the first place. eventually in 1979, the shah was ousted by kohmeni and ko.
a simple formula: you subvert a nation and its people will hate you. the us continues to prop up dictators and foster bad will around the world, then to contain the situation they develop more dictators (and develop more bad will).
Oil? I wonder, why we even went to Somalia, or why we are still in South Korea
south korea was a cold-war anti-domino play. why don't you ask your government why they bombed hanoi or cambodia instead? why don't you ask your government where they were when rwanda needed help? how about east timor? why don't you ask your government why they supported burtal dictatorships in el salvador and honduras in the 80s. were all of these decisions made to help the people of these nations? the united states government is not concerned with the lives and well being of foreign civilians unless it is convenient for public relations. that's realpolitik.
Neither Pakistan, nor India, nor Israel have ever joined the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaties or otherwise promised not to develop WMDs...
so iraq merely has to not recommit to the nnpt andeverything is fine? unlikely. hey! you know what country is the biggest owner and producer of weapons of mass destruction? the united states. forget about nukes, there are over one million pounds of nerve gas in the pine bluff arsenal in arkansas right now. go and inspect it yourself.
The French? Oh, they just can't get over the loss of the "grand nacion" (sp?) status
so it's hubris? hm. there are some other nations that may have a little more in that department than the french...
you can't possibly expect the US gov to dally while this guy biulds god only knows what
why not? you guys did a great job of dallying while pakistan and north korea built the bomb. it's an open secret that isreal has the bomb and the u.s. continues to do nothing. seems like the us gov is good at dallying and doing nothing.
it would still be a just war if for anything for the sake of trying to resuce the Iraqi people
oh please. since when has the u.s. government cared about the lives of foreign civilians? do you not remember in 1984 when the un security council sought a resolution condemning iraq that it was blocked by the united states? how about in 1981 when the us state department took iraq off the list of nations that "sponsored terrorism"... conveniently this was done a few weeks after the iraqi invasion of longtime us-enemy iran. do you not remember in 1986 when the center for disease control and the american type culture collection sent anthrax and Clostridium botulinum strains to iraq? how about in 1988 when cdc/atcc *gave* iraq botulinum toxin and botulinum toxiod? if there are bio weapons in iraq, remember where they came from: atlanta.
the us backed hussein for a decade because it was looking for someone to keep iran in line. no one gave a damn about the "iraqi people" from 1979 until last week. so why, all of a sudden, is it the united state's number one priority?
I think even the folks in France know I'm right
i think the people of france know that when the us ousts a government and puts in a new one, the new puppet has a bad habit of becoming a monster later on. remember noriega? remember (dare i say it) osama bin laden? the mujahadeen were called "the moral equivalent of the [us] founding fathers" by reagan back when they were fighting the soviets. oops. the difference between the us and france is that france understands history and is not blinded by ultranationalism.
1. don't smoke. three people you know will die of lung cancer before you are me.
2. if you say it's just a "weekend drug" only do it on the weekend. two people you know will die of od's before you are me. one will be very close to you.
3. wear your seatbelt. especially on january 3. 1994. better still, cancel that road trip.
4. call your grandmother now and ask her about the easter rising. you don't care now, but you will later.
4. you are alergic to crab. don't eat crab.
In other countries, people are shot by a firing squad if they get caught DUI. Therefore, less people drive drunk
that may be true in "oterh countries" but in the u.s. the death penalty seems to have the opposite effect. according to the fbi the states with the ten highest murder rates all have the death penalty. of the ten states with the lowest murder rates, only four have the death penalty.
look at texas. last year 33 of the 71 executions in the united states were in texas, yet texas has a murder rate well above the national average (6.2/100k vs 5.6/100k last year).
obviously crime prevention isn't solely a function of the threat of punishment. nobody commits a crime assuming they're going to get caught. everyone thinks they're going to pull off the perfect murder or hacking job or whatever.
The people who have this horrible high school experience, as far as I can tell, are people who get into it with a chip on their shoulder.
no. you mean anyone who doesn't go into highschool willing to submit themselves to bullies has a hard time. you said it yourself: to avoid a beating, join a sports team and work on your car. act the way the bullies like and no one gets hurt.
if i broght three big guys 'round your house and said: "buy a macintosh and go curling once a week or these guys are going to break your arm". would you think that a fair proposition?
If you need proof of this, look up the posts in this forum from high school students. Most of them positively throb with arrogance.
you positively throb with arrogance. you're attitude seems to be "i didn't have a problem, so there must be something wrong with the rest of you." i regard that as arrogant.
someone who is "smart" in high school ought to be smart enough to avoid being preyed upon,
why don't you try blaming the predator? by your logic, if the nerds take up arms against the football team and kill them, it's the football teams fault. is that what you're saying? or are you just biased against victims?
wait a minute... i have to take responsibility because the football team stuffed me into a locker? that sort of "blaming the victim" mentatlity has lead to some serious backlash in the past.
...Mac long before OS X was released by just running Yellow Dog Linux
and before that there was mk and openbsd for m68k... and even before that there was minix for the old motorola chips... i managed to get that onto an se/30. perfectly useless but it could be done.
[grant@frymaster grant]$ ssh -l grantlee mac grantlee@mac's password: Last login: Fri Feb 14 06:10:05 2003 from tokyo Welcome to Darwin! MANPATH: Undefined variable. [grant-and-lees-Computer:~] grantlee% uname Darwin [grant-and-lees-Computer:~] grantlee% which awk/usr/bin/awk [grant-and-lees-Computer:~] grantlee% which cc/usr/bin/cc [grant-and-lees-Computer:~] grantlee% which sed/usr/bin/sed [grant-and-lees-Computer:~] grantlee% which perl/usr/bin/perl [grant-and-lees-Computer:~] grantlee% which grep/usr/bin/grep
Exactly! apple makes the whole widget: the hardware, the software, the basic peripherals - the whole shebang. the widget is designed to work as a widget and is, thus, less susceptible to incompatibility failures.
dumbing them down a bit
well, i would submit that that is what we call "better design". saying the mac is "dumbed down" implies that it is less capable than comparable wintel systems. not true. my mac shipped with awk and sed and gcc and vim. i submit that that's not "dumbed down".
mac towers have a convenient door to allow you to access the inside of yr box. no screws, now little latchy things. just swing it open and all your hardware innards are spread out before you like a smorgasbord. Look
here.
now, i'll leave everyone else to explain to you why you are clueless about mac hardware. i'm sure they'll do a good job.
1. too political? the protection of the rights of a citizenry from the power of the state is nothing if not political. it can't be anything but political!
2. if you aren't willing to defend the civil liberties of those who you disagree with (or disagree with you) then you're probably not committed to the concept in the first place. it's easy to defend the right of expression for people who say things you like. or as dr. chomsky puts it "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
3. state sponsorship of christmas is an explicit support for one religion by the u.s. government. "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" and so on. if you are an american citizen you should read jefferson's treatise on this issue (the letter to the danbury baptists) to get the full grok on the seperation of church and state.
personally i find it amazing that with all the high-falutin' talk about the us gov't being secular and non-discriminatory that the bible is still used in the court house and religious organizations continue to receive preferential tax treatments and other "special rights".
caveat: i have not seriously used solaris since 7, but at that time it was my 40-hour-a-week os:
if solaris is to be considered "better" than linus it is because of two things:
1. sun hardware. if you complain about "price-performance" on sparc boxen then you don't need those extra couple of point-001s on your performance and should stick with yr hp pavillion. people run solaris because the purple boxes are bulletproof.
2. service. yes, it's outrageously expensive - but when the gbic card on yr database server makes a gentle popping noise and ten million bucks worth of data drifts away like an untethered boat from the pier, you will appreciate that one phone call will have some ubergeek in tweed show up with a bag of pro bono hardware and a shoebox full of patch disk and make everything alright.
this release offers neither of the above points. yes, it's free. yes, it runs on your mom's machine. but unless you need to spend fifty grand on a bulletproof solution, solaris is a waste.
the drawback to drbd is that it's not encrypted on the backup device. the advantage is that you can hook it up with something like heartbeat to have failover.
1. one of ms's defenses was that ie was an integrated part of the operating system. you couldn't uninstall ie without damaging windows. with safari, you just chuck it in the trash and it's gone.
2. os x will almost assuredly continue to ship with ie "on the desktop" (ie in the dock). this shows a level of browser agnosticism that ms did not display, thus prompting the suit.
3. apple is a widget vendor in a broader computer market and, thus, does not represent a monopoly.
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the drawback to this, of course, is that it would include xenix.
no. they were crushed by the nazi war machine while america sat on it's ass though.
seriously. how many of the sept-11 pilots were iraqi? zero.
and where, exactly, did the iranian "monster" come from? well, in 1941 the allies invaded iran and deposed the shah. miracle of miracles, the new power structure in iran was decided by an election. the guy they elected was a chap called Mossadegh. Mossadegh did a lot of things... most of them very popular with the iranian people (he was even time's man of the year for 1951!). unfortunately, he decided to nationalize the iranina oil reserves. such a move was not popular with the us government as it limited foreign (read: us and british) investment in/control of the oil industry in iran. the solution was for the cia to orchestrate an overthrow of Mossadegh and a re-implemnentation of the shah. this, of course, they did and gave the people of iran 26 years of murderous dictatorship.
the rule of the shah resulted in two things in iran: 1. a hatred of the shah and a desire to oust him 2. a distrust of the united states who had put him there in the first place. eventually in 1979, the shah was ousted by kohmeni and ko.
a simple formula: you subvert a nation and its people will hate you. the us continues to prop up dictators and foster bad will around the world, then to contain the situation they develop more dictators (and develop more bad will).
Oil? I wonder, why we even went to Somalia, or why we are still in South Korea
south korea was a cold-war anti-domino play. why don't you ask your government why they bombed hanoi or cambodia instead? why don't you ask your government where they were when rwanda needed help? how about east timor? why don't you ask your government why they supported burtal dictatorships in el salvador and honduras in the 80s. were all of these decisions made to help the people of these nations? the united states government is not concerned with the lives and well being of foreign civilians unless it is convenient for public relations. that's realpolitik.
Neither Pakistan, nor India, nor Israel have ever joined the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaties or otherwise promised not to develop WMDs...
so iraq merely has to not recommit to the nnpt andeverything is fine? unlikely. hey! you know what country is the biggest owner and producer of weapons of mass destruction? the united states. forget about nukes, there are over one million pounds of nerve gas in the pine bluff arsenal in arkansas right now. go and inspect it yourself.
The French? Oh, they just can't get over the loss of the "grand nacion" (sp?) status
so it's hubris? hm. there are some other nations that may have a little more in that department than the french...
why not? you guys did a great job of dallying while pakistan and north korea built the bomb. it's an open secret that isreal has the bomb and the u.s. continues to do nothing. seems like the us gov is good at dallying and doing nothing.
it would still be a just war if for anything for the sake of trying to resuce the Iraqi people
oh please. since when has the u.s. government cared about the lives of foreign civilians? do you not remember in 1984 when the un security council sought a resolution condemning iraq that it was blocked by the united states? how about in 1981 when the us state department took iraq off the list of nations that "sponsored terrorism"... conveniently this was done a few weeks after the iraqi invasion of longtime us-enemy iran. do you not remember in 1986 when the center for disease control and the american type culture collection sent anthrax and Clostridium botulinum strains to iraq? how about in 1988 when cdc/atcc *gave* iraq botulinum toxin and botulinum toxiod? if there are bio weapons in iraq, remember where they came from: atlanta.
the us backed hussein for a decade because it was looking for someone to keep iran in line. no one gave a damn about the "iraqi people" from 1979 until last week. so why, all of a sudden, is it the united state's number one priority?
I think even the folks in France know I'm right
i think the people of france know that when the us ousts a government and puts in a new one, the new puppet has a bad habit of becoming a monster later on. remember noriega? remember (dare i say it) osama bin laden? the mujahadeen were called "the moral equivalent of the [us] founding fathers" by reagan back when they were fighting the soviets. oops. the difference between the us and france is that france understands history and is not blinded by ultranationalism.
and they have had some pretty outrageous patents of their own!
1. don't smoke. three people you know will die of lung cancer before you are me.
2. if you say it's just a "weekend drug" only do it on the weekend. two people you know will die of od's before you are me. one will be very close to you.
3. wear your seatbelt. especially on january 3. 1994. better still, cancel that road trip.
4. call your grandmother now and ask her about the easter rising. you don't care now, but you will later.
4. you are alergic to crab. don't eat crab.
that may be true in "oterh countries" but in the u.s. the death penalty seems to have the opposite effect. according to the fbi the states with the ten highest murder rates all have the death penalty. of the ten states with the lowest murder rates, only four have the death penalty.
look at texas. last year 33 of the 71 executions in the united states were in texas, yet texas has a murder rate well above the national average (6.2/100k vs 5.6/100k last year).
obviously crime prevention isn't solely a function of the threat of punishment. nobody commits a crime assuming they're going to get caught. everyone thinks they're going to pull off the perfect murder or hacking job or whatever.
the internet regards censorship as a routing problem.
I'd rather suggest Plan 9.
now if we could only get seemail and vwhois on darwin we'd be set!
for the record, i am not he.
no. you mean anyone who doesn't go into highschool willing to submit themselves to bullies has a hard time. you said it yourself: to avoid a beating, join a sports team and work on your car. act the way the bullies like and no one gets hurt.
if i broght three big guys 'round your house and said: "buy a macintosh and go curling once a week or these guys are going to break your arm". would you think that a fair proposition?
If you need proof of this, look up the posts in this forum from high school students. Most of them positively throb with arrogance.
you positively throb with arrogance. you're attitude seems to be "i didn't have a problem, so there must be something wrong with the rest of you." i regard that as arrogant.
a bear is not a moral agent. poking anyone with a stick is a physical assault. this is an incredibly bad analogy.
right. so it's okay to physically assault someone because you think they think poorly of you? really?
i don't think you've given very much thought to the ramifications of your "philosophy".
why don't you try blaming the predator? by your logic, if the nerds take up arms against the football team and kill them, it's the football teams fault. is that what you're saying? or are you just biased against victims?
wait a minute... i have to take responsibility because the football team stuffed me into a locker? that sort of "blaming the victim" mentatlity has lead to some serious backlash in the past.
you've never heard of chad? why, he's the sexiest geek alive!
and before that there was mk and openbsd for m68k... and even before that there was minix for the old motorola chips... i managed to get that onto an se/30. perfectly useless but it could be done.
[grant@frymaster grant]$ ssh -l grantlee mac
grantlee@mac's password:
Last login: Fri Feb 14 06:10:05 2003 from tokyo
Welcome to Darwin!
MANPATH: Undefined variable.
[grant-and-lees-Computer:~] grantlee% uname
Darwin
[grant-and-lees-Computer:~] grantlee% which awk
[grant-and-lees-Computer:~] grantlee% which cc
[grant-and-lees-Computer:~] grantlee% which sed
[grant-and-lees-Computer:~] grantlee% which perl
[grant-and-lees-Computer:~] grantlee% which grep
stock install.
Exactly! apple makes the whole widget: the hardware, the software, the basic peripherals - the whole shebang. the widget is designed to work as a widget and is, thus, less susceptible to incompatibility failures.
dumbing them down a bit
well, i would submit that that is what we call "better design". saying the mac is "dumbed down" implies that it is less capable than comparable wintel systems. not true. my mac shipped with awk and sed and gcc and vim. i submit that that's not "dumbed down".
damn anarchist
mac towers have a convenient door to allow you to access the inside of yr box. no screws, now little latchy things. just swing it open and all your hardware innards are spread out before you like a smorgasbord. Look here.
now, i'll leave everyone else to explain to you why you are clueless about mac hardware. i'm sure they'll do a good job.
2. if you aren't willing to defend the civil liberties of those who you disagree with (or disagree with you) then you're probably not committed to the concept in the first place. it's easy to defend the right of expression for people who say things you like. or as dr. chomsky puts it "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
3. state sponsorship of christmas is an explicit support for one religion by the u.s. government. "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" and so on. if you are an american citizen you should read jefferson's treatise on this issue (the letter to the danbury baptists) to get the full grok on the seperation of church and state.
personally i find it amazing that with all the high-falutin' talk about the us gov't being secular and non-discriminatory that the bible is still used in the court house and religious organizations continue to receive preferential tax treatments and other "special rights".
well... there's openwindows:
here's the text
here's the picture
caveat: i have not seriously used solaris since 7, but at that time it was my 40-hour-a-week os:
if solaris is to be considered "better" than linus it is because of two things:
1. sun hardware. if you complain about "price-performance" on sparc boxen then you don't need those extra couple of point-001s on your performance and should stick with yr hp pavillion. people run solaris because the purple boxes are bulletproof.
2. service. yes, it's outrageously expensive - but when the gbic card on yr database server makes a gentle popping noise and ten million bucks worth of data drifts away like an untethered boat from the pier, you will appreciate that one phone call will have some ubergeek in tweed show up with a bag of pro bono hardware and a shoebox full of patch disk and make everything alright.
this release offers neither of the above points. yes, it's free. yes, it runs on your mom's machine. but unless you need to spend fifty grand on a bulletproof solution, solaris is a waste.
never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of dlt tapes!
or... just seat up a drbd "lan" mirror via vpn.
the drawback to drbd is that it's not encrypted on the backup device. the advantage is that you can hook it up with something like heartbeat to have failover.
no. for three reasons:
1. one of ms's defenses was that ie was an integrated part of the operating system. you couldn't uninstall ie without damaging windows. with safari, you just chuck it in the trash and it's gone.
2. os x will almost assuredly continue to ship with ie "on the desktop" (ie in the dock). this shows a level of browser agnosticism that ms did not display, thus prompting the suit.
3. apple is a widget vendor in a broader computer market and, thus, does not represent a monopoly.