It's not that... I'm talking about the experience of coding on the system. Haven't you ever spent days working on a MS machine and then moved over to Linux (or vice versa)? By the tenth time I've accidentally typed "ls" instead of "dir" or wondered why "cd/" didn't work the way I expected, or whatever I find myself swearing at Bill and all the demonspawn in Redmond! It's not their fault, of course. My muscle memory just takes a while to reset. With a Mac, however my fingers don't need to relearn the command line. Everything works the way I expect it.
One. Don't take things so personally. I haven't used Vista but as a consumer and computer user I think XP is great. OS X is also great. I'd take either of them any day of the week over anything from six or seven years ago (given a choice between OS 9.1 and MS ME, I'd pick suicide). I wouldn't take the GP's post as a "OSX is better than Vista" rant. It's a pretty cogent argument about why many developers who develop in Java (I am one) have adopted OSX and love it.
Two. I'm not sure the the GPP missed a "not" in that sentence. As it is written most (all) of the Java developers I know don't run their production code on MS OS's. They are not developing desktop applications. They are developing enterprise back ends to run on Tomcat, JBoss, WebSphere, and WebLogic and those are often (almost all, in my experience) running on Solaris or Linux. I can set up a Tomcat instance on my MacBook and push that.war to production on a Linux server with no configuration. I've tried it on Windows and though Cygwin helps a lot its just not as easy. Why is it not as easy? Slashes. "dir" versus "ls". "C:\" instead of "\". "DOS shell" versus "bash". Sure I can use aliases and cygwin, but why? I have a $2k laptop with a beautiful GUI and all the tools I expect from my linux server are there and they work the way I expect them to.
Anyway, this is just more anecdotal evidence of a single Java Developer (and a few of his friends) who bought a MacBook because of the types of jobs I do and loves it. And, if I'm an indicator, a lot of Java developers are moving to Macs for the reasons mentioned above.
There are also JavaScript libraries that work at a lower level (which makes integration much easier). I use JQuery which has a nice cross-browser way for accessing DOM elements, a few bells and whistles, and, most important, a standard way to access the server via their Ajax methods. Nothing revolutionary (I've never used it but I think Prototype does the same thing) but easy to use and seems to be very well supported.
However, for my next "clean" Ajax project I think I'm going to give GWT a try. I've done it by hand... now that I understand a little bit about what's going on under the hood I'll let Google handle the details.
A game like that requires the right DM and the right group of players. But if you have both you are going to have a great time... I've only been lucky enough to have such a group once, but it was a blast.
These groups often don't "do" concerts or tours or the other solutions usually given for the music biz
There are always options... 1. keep their day job / do the music as a hobby 2. put advertising on their web sites and sell tee shirts 3. change their mind and start touring 4. become famous enough that they can go to the right parties and start dating and eventually marry a highly paid super-model and/or retired RIAA executive who will then fund their music 5. sell their songs to advertisers to use as commercial jingles 6. set up in front of the subway station and collect quarters 7. get a PhD in music and then teach advanced techno-music theory at the local university
Talk about establishing barriers that forced creativity; I loved the Basic (and Expert and Champion) D&D. A dwarf was a dwarf an elf was an elf and that's the way we liked it! (We also had to walk 20 miles up hill to school... in the snow... barefoot).
AD&D 1st edition seemed more like a job. At the very least it seemed like you had to spend a lot more time min-maxing or you'd end up with a useless character. The boxed set D&D was just fun.
Of course I made the switch to AD&D 2nd Ed. after college (didn't play during college) but I wonder if anyone stuck with the original boxed sets through adulthood?
13. (Response) I'm still anonymous but I'm telling that mean guy to stop making fun of me because it's not manly. How ironic is that? 14. (Response) I really need to stop this, but I can't help myself. It's like an addiction. Eventually, someone is going to come by and dock me about twenty karma points for being off topic. I wouldn't blame them. I could NOT hit the submit button, I suppose. Oh well, I guess I'll have to be extra insightful on some other thread.
Did anyone else follow the progression of this thread?
1. (Article) Greenpeace says Monsanto GM corn may be dangerous. 2. (Post) Pay no attention! Greenpeace hates technology! 3. (Response) They don't hate solar power. 4. (Response) Okay, they may not hate solar power, but Greenpeace hates the Earth because they won't let us chop down the rain forest. 5. (Response) Chopping down the rain forest isn't a long term solution to global warming. 6. (Response) You believe lies! Chopping down the rainforest will be a long term solution to global warming so long as people aren't "lazy" at some undefined future time. 7. (Response) Ha, Ha. You said he's delusional but then said that cutting down rain forests isn't sustainable. Also, look at my witty recursive linking! 8. (Response) No, I was referring to something else. And, your post wasn't funny anyway. 9. (Response) I don't care any more. I'm going to look at the progression of posts in a thread in Slashdot. Look at me! I have a lot of time on my hands to keep myself entertained!
Man, I could use a tasty Red Bull(tm) right about now.
Um, what lie did he buy in to? The lie that rain forest agriculture is currently unsustainable? Let me link you to an expert on the topic who writes, "...rain forest agriculture is currently unsustainable...".
I think you touch upon a point that I'd like to reiterate even clearer: word processing and page layout are two different things. Even after reading the article, I'm not really sure what's being proposed here; are they proposing HTML+CSS as a page layout format or as a word processing format? I think the technology as it currently stands could make a reasonable word processing format but would be a stretch as the foundation for a page layout application.
However, I'd like to remind everyone of two points of history. One, HTML itself evolved from SGML which has more than enough flexibility to handle Navy service manuals (which is where I saw it used). They weren't exactly fun reads, but the level of complexity of the documents exceeds what you are going to see in your average magazine layout and they were being handled just fine by early-90s technology parsing huge SGML documents. Two, word processing documents have been "markup" documents since the very beginning. What was WordPerfect for DOS but a way to mark up a text document (/b for bold right, I can't even remember any more)?
With RIAA joining in on the raid and getting the cops and the SWAT team to do their bidding doesn't it start to sound like the RIAA is an agent of the state? Or, more likely, the state is an agent of the RIAA?
As far as the first question, were they likely to commit their alleged crimes without RIAA inducement? Who knows...
The fundamental problem with all CRPGs -- and MMORPGs in particular -- is the lack of "history" in the world.
The quest to get the doodad from the evil whatsit is available to every level Xer who wanders around the bend. Good king NPC can't be killed cause that destroys the next 90 hours of plot. Goblins spawn from a hole in the ground even after you've wiped out the entire dungeon.
Basically what I want is a DM who is available for dedicated one-on-one play whenever I want to play and can out think me so I'm constantly surprised but has some mercy when I get in over my head.
The sad part is this quote: "The Advanced Parking Guidance System works only if the spot is six and a half feet longer than the car -- the sort of spot, in other words, that the average Manhattan parker comes upon about once every 14 or 15 years."
Wow, is this what happens when you listen to Ann Coulter and his clones 8 hours a day? A conspiracy of actors and non-profits and ivory tower intellectuals (otherwise knows as scientists) are trying to pull a scam over the American people? To achieve what? What is it that they hope to gain? We know what Exxon gains; freedom from regulation. How does Al Gore or the Sierra Club benefit?
Even the conspiracy theorists around the JFK assasination have a "reason" behind their theories: the Cubans getting revenge for the Bay of Pigs, the mafia getting revenge for Marilyn, the aliens trying to disrupt the Apollo program.
What you still don't seem to get is that this shouldn't be about "the court of public opinion". This is about science. Exxon buying a predetermined "scientific" position paper isn't science.
And you still didn't disprove my other assertion: the quotes you posted where written by Sen. Imahoe's (quote: [Global Warming] is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people) staffer in a blog. Imahoe was in charge of the Dept. of the Environment before the corporate apologists lost the majority the senate.
The staffer was referring to a blog posting by a meterologist referring to other meteologists (specifically Fox news weather people) who apparenty lack the scientific background to discuss climate change intelligently.
For fear that you were miss-informed rather than just stupid: the incident you are referring to was one weather person's blog referring to other weather people (meterologist not climatologist). I realize Republicans have a real problem with the difference between weather and climate.
I realize that in your and Rush L.'s mind there is perfect analogy between a random blogger and Exxon corporation (who made 180 million dollars a day last year); roughly like comparing a grocery store parking lot speed bump to the Himalayas.
Most of the rest of us are able to see the difference...
Actually, your comparison to an open source bounty is pretty apt: Exxon wants something built (fake science in regards to climate change) and is willing to pay a bounty to have it built.
The difference is that in one example the experts are building wi-fi drivers or utility softare. In the other example, the "experts" are building SFUD (smiley faces, uncertainty, and doubt).
I would have rephrased that to: scientists study and politicians decide. Saying it the other way around sounds too much like what the Bush administration has been attempting over the last 6 years.
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I think you have a fundamental misudderstanding of evolotion.
That's nothing! You should see what happens when we start talking about the 2nd Amendment.
It's not that... I'm talking about the experience of coding on the system. Haven't you ever spent days working on a MS machine and then moved over to Linux (or vice versa)? By the tenth time I've accidentally typed "ls" instead of "dir" or wondered why "cd /" didn't work the way I expected, or whatever I find myself swearing at Bill and all the demonspawn in Redmond! It's not their fault, of course. My muscle memory just takes a while to reset. With a Mac, however my fingers don't need to relearn the command line. Everything works the way I expect it.
One. Don't take things so personally. I haven't used Vista but as a consumer and computer user I think XP is great. OS X is also great. I'd take either of them any day of the week over anything from six or seven years ago (given a choice between OS 9.1 and MS ME, I'd pick suicide). I wouldn't take the GP's post as a "OSX is better than Vista" rant. It's a pretty cogent argument about why many developers who develop in Java (I am one) have adopted OSX and love it.
.war to production on a Linux server with no configuration. I've tried it on Windows and though Cygwin helps a lot its just not as easy. Why is it not as easy? Slashes. "dir" versus "ls". "C:\" instead of "\". "DOS shell" versus "bash". Sure I can use aliases and cygwin, but why? I have a $2k laptop with a beautiful GUI and all the tools I expect from my linux server are there and they work the way I expect them to.
Two. I'm not sure the the GPP missed a "not" in that sentence. As it is written most (all) of the Java developers I know don't run their production code on MS OS's. They are not developing desktop applications. They are developing enterprise back ends to run on Tomcat, JBoss, WebSphere, and WebLogic and those are often (almost all, in my experience) running on Solaris or Linux. I can set up a Tomcat instance on my MacBook and push that
Anyway, this is just more anecdotal evidence of a single Java Developer (and a few of his friends) who bought a MacBook because of the types of jobs I do and loves it. And, if I'm an indicator, a lot of Java developers are moving to Macs for the reasons mentioned above.
There are also JavaScript libraries that work at a lower level (which makes integration much easier). I use JQuery which has a nice cross-browser way for accessing DOM elements, a few bells and whistles, and, most important, a standard way to access the server via their Ajax methods. Nothing revolutionary (I've never used it but I think Prototype does the same thing) but easy to use and seems to be very well supported.
However, for my next "clean" Ajax project I think I'm going to give GWT a try. I've done it by hand... now that I understand a little bit about what's going on under the hood I'll let Google handle the details.
A game like that requires the right DM and the right group of players. But if you have both you are going to have a great time... I've only been lucky enough to have such a group once, but it was a blast.
There are always options...
1. keep their day job / do the music as a hobby
2. put advertising on their web sites and sell tee shirts
3. change their mind and start touring
4. become famous enough that they can go to the right parties and start dating and eventually marry a highly paid super-model and/or retired RIAA executive who will then fund their music
5. sell their songs to advertisers to use as commercial jingles
6. set up in front of the subway station and collect quarters
7. get a PhD in music and then teach advanced techno-music theory at the local university
Talk about establishing barriers that forced creativity; I loved the Basic (and Expert and Champion) D&D. A dwarf was a dwarf an elf was an elf and that's the way we liked it! (We also had to walk 20 miles up hill to school... in the snow... barefoot).
AD&D 1st edition seemed more like a job. At the very least it seemed like you had to spend a lot more time min-maxing or you'd end up with a useless character. The boxed set D&D was just fun.
Of course I made the switch to AD&D 2nd Ed. after college (didn't play during college) but I wonder if anyone stuck with the original boxed sets through adulthood?
13. (Response) I'm still anonymous but I'm telling that mean guy to stop making fun of me because it's not manly. How ironic is that?
14. (Response) I really need to stop this, but I can't help myself. It's like an addiction. Eventually, someone is going to come by and dock me about twenty karma points for being off topic. I wouldn't blame them. I could NOT hit the submit button, I suppose. Oh well, I guess I'll have to be extra insightful on some other thread.
11. (Response) Ha! Ha! I'm anonymous now! And I have a potty mouth.
12. (Response) I'm still mocking you.
Did anyone else follow the progression of this thread?
1. (Article) Greenpeace says Monsanto GM corn may be dangerous.
2. (Post) Pay no attention! Greenpeace hates technology!
3. (Response) They don't hate solar power.
4. (Response) Okay, they may not hate solar power, but Greenpeace hates the Earth because they won't let us chop down the rain forest.
5. (Response) Chopping down the rain forest isn't a long term solution to global warming.
6. (Response) You believe lies! Chopping down the rainforest will be a long term solution to global warming so long as people aren't "lazy" at some undefined future time.
7. (Response) Ha, Ha. You said he's delusional but then said that cutting down rain forests isn't sustainable. Also, look at my witty recursive linking!
8. (Response) No, I was referring to something else. And, your post wasn't funny anyway.
9. (Response) I don't care any more. I'm going to look at the progression of posts in a thread in Slashdot. Look at me! I have a lot of time on my hands to keep myself entertained!
Man, I could use a tasty Red Bull(tm) right about now.
Um, what lie did he buy in to? The lie that rain forest agriculture is currently unsustainable? Let me link you to an expert on the topic who writes, "...rain forest agriculture is currently unsustainable...".
Those of use who had a later generation of Commodores remember a somewhat slower startup sequence:
1. Wait for splash screen with picture of KickStart disk
2. Insert Kickstart
3. Wait a bit...
4. Insert Workbench
Ahhh.... anyone else up for some sweet Amiga nostalgia?
I think you touch upon a point that I'd like to reiterate even clearer: word processing and page layout are two different things. Even after reading the article, I'm not really sure what's being proposed here; are they proposing HTML+CSS as a page layout format or as a word processing format? I think the technology as it currently stands could make a reasonable word processing format but would be a stretch as the foundation for a page layout application.
However, I'd like to remind everyone of two points of history. One, HTML itself evolved from SGML which has more than enough flexibility to handle Navy service manuals (which is where I saw it used). They weren't exactly fun reads, but the level of complexity of the documents exceeds what you are going to see in your average magazine layout and they were being handled just fine by early-90s technology parsing huge SGML documents. Two, word processing documents have been "markup" documents since the very beginning. What was WordPerfect for DOS but a way to mark up a text document (/b for bold right, I can't even remember any more)?
I agreed with you until you suggested using Motif; especially using it repetitively ;-)
With RIAA joining in on the raid and getting the cops and the SWAT team to do their bidding doesn't it start to sound like the RIAA is an agent of the state? Or, more likely, the state is an agent of the RIAA?
As far as the first question, were they likely to commit their alleged crimes without RIAA inducement? Who knows...
The fundamental problem with all CRPGs -- and MMORPGs in particular -- is the lack of "history" in the world.
:-)
The quest to get the doodad from the evil whatsit is available to every level Xer who wanders around the bend.
Good king NPC can't be killed cause that destroys the next 90 hours of plot.
Goblins spawn from a hole in the ground even after you've wiped out the entire dungeon.
Basically what I want is a DM who is available for dedicated one-on-one play whenever I want to play and can out think me so I'm constantly surprised but has some mercy when I get in over my head.
I guess I just have to keep waiting for AI
There's a story by Calvin Trillin in the NYT about that... ( http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/articl e?res=F70810FE3C5B0C758EDDA80894DF404482 ).
The sad part is this quote: "The Advanced Parking Guidance System works only if the spot is six and a half feet longer than the car -- the sort of spot, in other words, that the average Manhattan parker comes upon about once every 14 or 15 years."
Oh, so it's "I was misinformed about spelling you are misinformed about global warming."
At least I learned something. Is there any hope for you?
You got me: I mis-typed a word thus global warming must not be real. I'll sleep easier tonight. Thank you!
Wow, is this what happens when you listen to Ann Coulter and his clones 8 hours a day? A conspiracy of actors and non-profits and ivory tower intellectuals (otherwise knows as scientists) are trying to pull a scam over the American people? To achieve what? What is it that they hope to gain? We know what Exxon gains; freedom from regulation. How does Al Gore or the Sierra Club benefit?
Even the conspiracy theorists around the JFK assasination have a "reason" behind their theories: the Cubans getting revenge for the Bay of Pigs, the mafia getting revenge for Marilyn, the aliens trying to disrupt the Apollo program.
So what is the reason for this huge conspiracy?
What you still don't seem to get is that this shouldn't be about "the court of public opinion". This is about science. Exxon buying a predetermined "scientific" position paper isn't science.
And you still didn't disprove my other assertion: the quotes you posted where written by Sen. Imahoe's (quote: [Global Warming] is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people) staffer in a blog. Imahoe was in charge of the Dept. of the Environment before the corporate apologists lost the majority the senate.
The staffer was referring to a blog posting by a meterologist referring to other meteologists (specifically Fox news weather people) who apparenty lack the scientific background to discuss climate change intelligently.
For fear that you were miss-informed rather than just stupid: the incident you are referring to was one weather person's blog referring to other weather people (meterologist not climatologist). I realize Republicans have a real problem with the difference between weather and climate.
I realize that in your and Rush L.'s mind there is perfect analogy between a random blogger and Exxon corporation (who made 180 million dollars a day last year); roughly like comparing a grocery store parking lot speed bump to the Himalayas.
Most of the rest of us are able to see the difference...
Actually, your comparison to an open source bounty is pretty apt: Exxon wants something built (fake science in regards to climate change) and is willing to pay a bounty to have it built.
The difference is that in one example the experts are building wi-fi drivers or utility softare. In the other example, the "experts" are building SFUD (smiley faces, uncertainty, and doubt).
I would have rephrased that to: scientists study and politicians decide. Saying it the other way around sounds too much like what the Bush administration has been attempting over the last 6 years.