I'm wearing mine today too. For the most part, people ignore
it in the office but occasionaly someone comes up to me and asks
me about it. So far the only response I have gottten when I tell
them is "Ah, those are the guys pissing off the MPAA".
When you pick up one of these scanners do you have to fill
out a form or sign anything stating that you intend to - or must
- use this scanner only for their special barcode catalogs?
No form but you do have to put up with the annoying Radio
Shack way of verifying your address and contact information.
Hell, the guy at the shop I went to was nice enough to ask me if
wanted the catalog or not. <:
It was never my intention to imply that you were unfamilar with the difference between the LGPL and the GPL. I posted more for general information sake. At the same time, I felt a finer brush was needed on the issue of acceptabillity of using either license for GNU libraries in combination with commercial software. This distinction seems to confuse many people.
This has to be the most reasonable exchange I have seen on Slashdot in a long time.
After reading your TOS I have become rather curious in regards to the following cluase:
Unacceptable publications include, but are not limited to:
Material that is ruled unlawful in the jurisdiction of the originating server (Such as child pornography, in the case of our flagship Sealand datacenter)
In the case of the Sealand datacenter, what are some of the limitations?
Please note that in the following examples I am not equating one example with any other or implying that any of the following should be censored; rather they are examples of what I would consider sticky wickets when running a "data haven" and wonder how such things will be handled.
Imagine the following:
I am a rabid anti-choice activist in the United States. I wish to post a site with a hit list of doctors performing abortions in the United States. After each "accident" I wish to mark them with a big red X. I publish detailed information on how to find each of these doctors.
Is this site permitted?
I am a hacker who wants to play DVDs on my Linux box and I want to use free software. I want to place source code on my website. The United States says this violates some stupid law and some annoying people object.
Is this site permitted?
I am a devote Iron Chef fan and Fuji TV has just sent me a cease and desist order. I wish to move my materials to Sealand.
Is this site permitted?
I am a regular guy in the UK creating a website about my daily life. Some people don't like the way I talk about them and my site is pulled.
Is this site permitted?
Will you allow sites advocating the overthrow of rival goverments, challenged uses of intellectual property, bomb making instructions, and other information that will get other nation-states panties in a twist?
First off, best of luck to you. I honestly hope you are succeed where so many have failed but I cannot resist some loaded questions.
Some groups believe that the lack of issue focus in American politics is the direct result of the structure of the electoral system in the United States. In other words, a electoral system demanding a majority causes bland, middle of the road politics and elections. In this view, the secret to electoral success is not offending people and mouthing popular ideas; not taking a stand on issues.
Do you believe this is true? Why or why not?
If you believe this is so, how do intend to overcome the structural resistance against issue based politics?
Do you believe most Americans vote for a canidate or against a canidate? Why?
If you believe most people vote against a particular canidate, who do think will dare take a stand as you are suggesting?
Do you see your cause as appealing to mostly "third party canidates" or having a wider appeal?
My main issue with this statement is all graduates can learn Tcl in one day. I have worked in a university computer lab and have seen some very intellegent students stumble on some very simple things. Anything is simple after you know how to do it.
The whole point of Tcl is that you're not supposed to have to be a programmer to use it! Read Ousterhout's original paper on why scripting languages are a good idea.
I agree with you that Tcl was designed to be used by anyone and it goes a long way towards reaching that goal but there is a great deal of difference between being able to use a tool and what was described in the question that was posed to you. I do not believe that twenty-four hours is enough to learn a tool. Each application, regardless of it's langauge of origin, has subtle differences and odd interactions when loosed upon the world. Twenty-four hours is not enough to see the consequences of what one develops! It is highly reasonable to expect someone to be able to complete an asighnment using Tcl but I don't believe that is the same thing as learning Tcl. Some things only come with experience and many things that appear simple can have complex implications. Secondly, I don't believe that the completion "SICP, Discrete Math, or Algorithms" necessarly means that one can learn Tcl in one day. Some will have trouble with it and someone will pass this 24-hour period. Third, I disagree with the implied statement that all graduates of the program can learn Tcl in 24 hours. Admitidly, I consider the word all to be a spook and question anyone's abillity to produce an absolute case.
We do have someone else talking to the public!
I apoligize, that was a cheap shot.
Bottom line as far as I can tell is that there are a lot of folks on Slashdot who want to believe that they are smart even though they received poor SAT scores and did not graduate from college. They think that ArsDigita U is passing judgement on people who didn't graduate from college or got trashed on the SATs. But it isn't so!
Perhaps there may be some truth to the above statement. As for myself, I have graduated from both a four year college and a technical school, in addition to some post-graduate work. I believe a great deal of reaction is due to the schism between the "academic world" and "industry". I find both sides of the fence tend to dismiss the accomplishments of the other and assume compotence in one area assures success in the other. I find the reality someplace else but I am concerned with results and little else.
On another note I don't believe that the abillity to program or use computers makes one smart. It's a tool!
I feel like the Slashdot community deserves a response from our tech staff (of whom I'm still titular head).
I appreciate that you are interacting in this forum. I don't think I would have put the time into this that I already have if it was not for your rather candid responses.
We would certainly not teach AOLserver or Tcl because a student who couldn't learn these things in a day by him or herself would never make it through SICP, Discrete Math, or Algorithms!
Does anyone else take exception to this statement?
Tcl or AOLserver in a day?!?
Ok, let's take this statment at face value. Are you telling me I can hand a copy of Practical programming in TCL and TK, Tcl and TK Toolkit, and Sams Teach Yourself Tcl/TK in 24 hours and all the graduates of your amazing undergraduateprogram will gain mastery of Tcl in 24-hours? OK, sure. Admitadly this is a bit of a staw man but yikes that is one extreme statement.
Mathmatics does not ensure technical compitence. Some of the worst (and the best) technicians I have worked with have had advanced degrees in CS. While I do not disparage CS degrees for the theoretical knowledge, I don't trivalize the applied aspects of the disipline either.
We're not a vocational school.
One of the things that seriously turns me off of some of the "Computer Science" departments running around is the arrogance. Vocational is not a perjorative. One thing that frustated me to know end during my four year experience were the pseduo-intellectuals who claimed vast theoretical knowledge but seemed to be unable to apply it in any demonstrable manner.
I do wish success to ArsDigita but damn you guys need someone else talking to the public.
Hi Slashdotters, I just bought my first version of Red Hat from good old CompUSA. What is a CDROM? Which part of the manuals should I read first? Can I run Linux under windows? PS. Dear Editor: Please list this as an Ask Slashdot question.
What the fuck?!?
Is Slashdot becoming some lame clone for usenet or mailing lists? This damn article is annoying as hell.
Slashdot Mirror
I'm wearing mine today too. For the most part, people ignore it in the office but occasionaly someone comes up to me and asks me about it. So far the only response I have gottten when I tell them is "Ah, those are the guys pissing off the MPAA".
I haven't found that guys code but here is a page that is still alive.
When you pick up one of these scanners do you have to fill out a form or sign anything stating that you intend to - or must - use this scanner only for their special barcode catalogs?
No form but you do have to put up with the annoying Radio Shack way of verifying your address and contact information. Hell, the guy at the shop I went to was nice enough to ask me if wanted the catalog or not. <:
I do not want targeted advertising. Look, you do not have to advertise to me.
It won't get your "rights" back but why not use junkbuster.
This site is for hacking the IIIe/IIIx if anyone gives a fuck.
LOL. Damn, I have been rolling in laughter for a couple minutes now. : Humor, interesting concept.
You underestimate me, sir!
It was never my intention to imply that you were unfamilar with the difference between the LGPL and the GPL. I posted more for general information sake. At the same time, I felt a finer brush was needed on the issue of acceptabillity of using either license for GNU libraries in combination with commercial software. This distinction seems to confuse many people.
This has to be the most reasonable exchange I have seen on Slashdot in a long time.
Cheers,
Broody
If you want to use a GPLed library to save yourself the trouble of rewriting it, then do so
I would consider the above suggestion ill advised because of the following:
"The GNU Project has two principal licenses to use for libraries. One is the GNU Library GPL; the other is the ordinary GNU GPL. The choice of license makes a big difference: using the Library GPL permits use of the library in proprietary programs; using the ordinary GPL for a library makes it available only for free programs."
No offense intended, just information.
Broody
After reading your TOS I have become rather curious in regards to the following cluase:
Unacceptable publications include, but are not limited to:
In the case of the Sealand datacenter, what are some of the limitations?
Please note that in the following examples I am not equating one example with any other or implying that any of the following should be censored; rather they are examples of what I would consider sticky wickets when running a "data haven" and wonder how such things will be handled.
Imagine the following:
I am a rabid anti-choice activist in the United States. I wish to post a site with a hit list of doctors performing abortions in the United States. After each "accident" I wish to mark them with a big red X. I publish detailed information on how to find each of these doctors.
Is this site permitted?
I am a hacker who wants to play DVDs on my Linux box and I want to use free software. I want to place source code on my website. The United States says this violates some stupid law and some annoying people object.
Is this site permitted?
I am a devote Iron Chef fan and Fuji TV has just sent me a cease and desist order. I wish to move my materials to Sealand.
Is this site permitted?
I am a regular guy in the UK creating a website about my daily life. Some people don't like the way I talk about them and my site is pulled.
Is this site permitted?
Will you allow sites advocating the overthrow of rival goverments, challenged uses of intellectual property, bomb making instructions, and other information that will get other nation-states panties in a twist?
First off, best of luck to you. I honestly hope you are succeed where so many have failed but I cannot resist some loaded questions.
Some groups believe that the lack of issue focus in American politics is the direct result of the structure of the electoral system in the United States. In other words, a electoral system demanding a majority causes bland, middle of the road politics and elections. In this view, the secret to electoral success is not offending people and mouthing popular ideas; not taking a stand on issues.
Do you believe this is true? Why or why not?
If you believe this is so, how do intend to overcome the structural resistance against issue based politics?
Do you believe most Americans vote for a canidate or against a canidate? Why?
If you believe most people vote against a particular canidate, who do think will dare take a stand as you are suggesting?
Do you see your cause as appealing to mostly "third party canidates" or having a wider appeal?
My main issue with this statement is all graduates can learn Tcl in one day. I have worked in a university computer lab and have seen some very intellegent students stumble on some very simple things. Anything is simple after you know how to do it.
The whole point of Tcl is that you're not supposed to have to be a programmer to use it! Read Ousterhout's original paper on why scripting languages are a good idea.
I agree with you that Tcl was designed to be used by anyone and it goes a long way towards reaching that goal but there is a great deal of difference between being able to use a tool and what was described in the question that was posed to you. I do not believe that twenty-four hours is enough to learn a tool. Each application, regardless of it's langauge of origin, has subtle differences and odd interactions when loosed upon the world. Twenty-four hours is not enough to see the consequences of what one develops! It is highly reasonable to expect someone to be able to complete an asighnment using Tcl but I don't believe that is the same thing as learning Tcl. Some things only come with experience and many things that appear simple can have complex implications. Secondly, I don't believe that the completion "SICP, Discrete Math, or Algorithms" necessarly means that one can learn Tcl in one day. Some will have trouble with it and someone will pass this 24-hour period. Third, I disagree with the implied statement that all graduates of the program can learn Tcl in 24 hours. Admitidly, I consider the word all to be a spook and question anyone's abillity to produce an absolute case.
We do have someone else talking to the public!
I apoligize, that was a cheap shot.
Bottom line as far as I can tell is that there are a lot of folks on Slashdot who want to believe that they are smart even though they received poor SAT scores and did not graduate from college. They think that ArsDigita U is passing judgement on people who didn't graduate from college or got trashed on the SATs. But it isn't so!
Perhaps there may be some truth to the above statement. As for myself, I have graduated from both a four year college and a technical school, in addition to some post-graduate work. I believe a great deal of reaction is due to the schism between the "academic world" and "industry". I find both sides of the fence tend to dismiss the accomplishments of the other and assume compotence in one area assures success in the other. I find the reality someplace else but I am concerned with results and little else.
On another note I don't believe that the abillity to program or use computers makes one smart. It's a tool!
I feel like the Slashdot community deserves a response from our tech staff (of whom I'm still titular head).
I appreciate that you are interacting in this forum. I don't think I would have put the time into this that I already have if it was not for your rather candid responses.
We would certainly not teach AOLserver or Tcl because a student who couldn't learn these things in a day by him or herself would never make it through SICP, Discrete Math, or Algorithms!
Does anyone else take exception to this statement?
Tcl or AOLserver in a day?!?
Ok, let's take this statment at face value. Are you telling me I can hand a copy of Practical programming in TCL and TK, Tcl and TK Toolkit, and Sams Teach Yourself Tcl/TK in 24 hours and all the graduates of your amazing undergraduateprogram will gain mastery of Tcl in 24-hours? OK, sure. Admitadly this is a bit of a staw man but yikes that is one extreme statement.
Mathmatics does not ensure technical compitence. Some of the worst (and the best) technicians I have worked with have had advanced degrees in CS. While I do not disparage CS degrees for the theoretical knowledge, I don't trivalize the applied aspects of the disipline either.
We're not a vocational school.
One of the things that seriously turns me off of some of the "Computer Science" departments running around is the arrogance. Vocational is not a perjorative. One thing that frustated me to know end during my four year experience were the pseduo-intellectuals who claimed vast theoretical knowledge but seemed to be unable to apply it in any demonstrable manner.
I do wish success to ArsDigita but damn you guys need someone else talking to the public.
Hi Slashdotters,
I just bought my first version of Red Hat from good old CompUSA. What is a CDROM? Which part of the manuals should I read first? Can I run Linux under windows? PS. Dear Editor: Please list this as an Ask Slashdot question.
What the fuck?!?
Is Slashdot becoming some lame clone for usenet or mailing lists? This damn article is annoying as hell.