It seems that your explanation of value is based on dividends. What's the explanation of stocks like Microsoft, which historically never pays dividends, only paying it out once, most folks seeing this as a political favor. Many people value stocks that pay dividends less, feeling it will hurt them relative to a company that takes that money and puts it into capital investment.
Not trying to be mean, just my experience has diverged with yours, and wnat more information on yours.
Perl, the fully interpreted language? Perl isn't fully interpreted. I'ts processed and "compiled" to an internal bytecode, then executed. Perl 6 makes this more explicit with the breakout of the Parrot VM. Picture you being able to run java on java sources directly, because there is a hidden pass to javac on every run.
I agree that CGI made the web a lot more fun (anyone else remember URouLette from ukan.edu?) and gave people more reasons to start surfing, but you have to see the web explosion in a holistic view. Web browser techmology ( tags notwithstanding) and the expansion of web aggregators such as yahoo made it much easier to use. That and the continual increases in modem speed with decreases in price allowed more people to acces the web.
1) it's a fun cliche. 2) totally inaccurate. One thing us Americans have to remember is that though rance did have somewhat of an implosion in WW-II (not as much as most people think) they had in recent memory slogged through a very bloody war in which their land was one of the main battle fronts. They were kinda drained.
Their last major conflict was Algeria. If anything they kicked too much ass. They became too brutal, killing and repressing civilians to clamp down on the independence movement. Their brutality had won, but at a cost they didn't want to pay. Algeria became independent, not because of surrender, but because of choice.
Someone from slashdot getting a date with a hot french girl? Impossible. I had a Brazilian gf I met in a Parisian youth hostel. We spoke French all the time. Very hot. One of my favorite memories was one time when she visited, she got, ahem, "noticed" by some fine upstanding gentlemen on the street, and then I had to explain to her, in French, what "ghetto booty" meant and why it was a good thing.
There was a French chick that was pretty hot, and she kept on grabbing me... unfortunately I was only back for a week, and she was just having a little bit of fun, didn't want to sleep with a guy that was leaving in 3 days. I always wonder what woulda happened if I stayed longer.
If I remember, Hitler got delayed by Mussolini, had to help him clean up in the disastrous invasion of Ethiopia. This caused the timetable to be screwed up, putting part of the invasion into the winter.
The Cygwin XFree server just recently fixed the copy bug that has been plaguing it for a while, and is now a pretty feature complete XServer. Performance is a bit slow though, but the only workable free XServer I know of. Plus you get all the Cygwin stuff you want. Cygwin is pretty smart about isolating itself itself to it's own area, so you can have tools from different UNIX on Win toolkits around.
Just what is the film's advantage in image capture? Before I answer this, I want to preface this by saying I wasn't saying fiulm beats digital in all areas. Digital has tremendous advantages to film, some that I'm very jealous of. But, film has some advantages for me, though these may be for me alone. My requirements are different than yours. I tried to imply that in my previous post, but it may not have been crystal clear. These are also only current limitations, and since digital is moving at such a hyperspeed (I've never seen any hardware that I really care about move this fast, making the PC revolution of the 90s look slow) I suspect these won't be issues much longer.
Anyways, I do a lot of low light stuff. Currently I can get 6400 speed (3200 pushed 1 stop) B/W film pretty much anywhere. I can get 6400 with anything going down to a $140 camera (price of a Rebel GII from B&H). If I want to bother with an external meter, some film can be pushed to 12800. I know of no digital camera that can do this, most can't even go to 3200. I also get full use of wide angle lenses. There are three cameras that do full frame 35MM sensors, none are less than $8000, which makes them a totally different type of camera for me. Digital capture quality is there, and some senses exceeds film (especially high speed color), but it just doesn't do what I need. Digital has a lot of other advantages, some I wish I had now (instant preview would be a godsend; the portable Canon print-size printers are way cool) just it can't capture the images I want.
In processing, digital is clearly superior. I can do things with Photoshop that darkroom photographers never dreamed about... Very true. I'm a bit of an image purist so I don't do a lot of post-processing, either darkroom print or digital. FOR ME this is a moot point.
As to image storage, making perfect copies beats fiber prints any time. As long as someone copies them over to the current media,... this is my biggest sticking point, the media. What if you had a digital camera back in the days of 8" floppy, and you had some old disks lying around? They'd essentially be lost now. The Apollo Project has a lot of lunar data stored on tape that no one has hardware to read. You'd think with a minor event like a lunar landing people would have transfered the data to something more modern, but they didn't. The Domesday project in Britain had some data transfer issues.
It's not just media, it's file formats. Do you save as RAW? Will your software 30 years from now be able to read it? Try reading Word 3.0 docs now. Sure you can convert, but do you really want to convert every 5 years? Best bet is to use open standards, and hope for the best, but this is no guarantee.
And if you want to bring out long-lived B&W prints, why, then let me point out that my digital image file does not age, as opposed to your negatives. In 500 years my grand-(grand)^n-children will still be able to print my photographs, if they choose to If they have the hardware to read the media, and if they have the sofware to read the files, they will be able to print something out. Just as film fades, your image file may not print the same. There was a very interesting article in a photo mag I read where they were discussing that early image files manipulated in early Photoshop look different because of different, more modern color curves built into current Photoshop.
I'm not saying film beats digital in every area, I'm saying film still has it's advantages. I'm not saying digital is a bad choice. I'm saying it currently is a bad choice for me. Film has issues, but they are known ones. Digital is moving so fast, it is difficult to see where it's going to shake out. I will eventually get a digital SLR, once Canon starts moving the full frame chip from the EOS1D downmarket some. But even then I'll still snap film.
Though it is highly symbolic that the company that invented the Brownie will no longer produce cameras, i think the dinosaur comment is a bit premature, and overly dramatic.
1) Kodak is stopping production of film based cameras, not film. They never were heavy into point and shoot 35mm. A lot of competition there. I don't believe they ever manufactured a 35mm SLR. They created and defined Advantix, and I think the most dramatic change will be here, and saying that they're stopping their Advantix camera production spells the end of film is, well, exaggerating. Advantix will go away, not the way of the donosaur, but more the way of the Kodak Disc - a format designed for ease of use, but with image quality and film availability issues. I gave away my Advantix because getting decent low light film is impossible. At one time, the best you could get was 400 speed. Significantly, this was a Fuji emulsion, not Kodak. All in all, this more spells the death-knell of Advantix, not film in general.
2) Kodak has just released a lot of new film emulsions, in color print, color slide, and B/W variations. Their R&D will probably slow, but it will be a long time before they stop completely. Fuji, Konica, Agfa, and I think Ilford as well have also all released new emulsions in the last year.
3) Many companies are releasing new film SLRs. Canon, part of the vanguard of Digital, just released an updated Rebel Ti (EOS 300), and even a model just under it, the Rebel K2 (not sure of foreign designation) and re-released the Rebel G to get the very low end of SLRs Kodak has released the F55 and F65, and F75 all very recently, while having a very big digital inventory. They're looking to supplement film for now.
4) Though digital cameras have many advantages over film ones and have converts every day, film still has advantages over the current crop of digital cameras, and will continue to do so for some time. These extend from image capture, to processing, to image storage, to print longevity. Film can not be replaced completely until it no longer has advantages in any of these areas.
5) Inertia. People have 35mm cameras, thousands invested in some. Theyr'e not just going away.
As for me, I suspect I will turn digital at some time. I'll buy a Digital SLR to replace one of the 35MM film SLRs that I currently own, and try to sell or give away my old one. Film will slowly change from being the mainstream to being a hobbyist format. It will never become a dinosaur, because there will always be people that feel it gives them something artistically that digital doesn't. The dwindling customer base will affect economies of scale. There will be no new emulsions because you can't justify the R&D, then some unpopular ones will be culled. But there will always be B/W 35mm film, and ther will always people who want to print their own.
I forgot where I read this, some interview somewhere. Linux interviews are now so common I probably can find one where he guesses who'll win at Oscar night.
I looked at the great Tannenbaum debate. He does have a lot of "I wrote Linux because it does what I need, and nothing else does" arguments where he mentions BSD a few times, but this isn't a "I wrote it because of the lawsuit" smoking-gun type statement.
Maybe someone can write Mr. Torvalds himself and ask. =)
I see your point, but AT&T tried essentially the same case with FreeBSD a while back, and that hindered BSD development and take-up very much. The situation is a bit different now, with a lot more people having commercial interests in Linux than in FreeBSD, and Linux just has a lot more momentum than FreeBSD did at the time (it essentially was just a research project for most folks). Linux himself has written essentially that he never would have written Linux, he just would have used FreeBSD (Net/1 anyway) if it wasn't for the shadow of the lawsuit over it.
Velcro came from a French guy that got curious about why burrs stuck to his pants. He got a magnifying glass and saw there were little hoocks, pliant enough to bend so he could pull it off. I forgot what the VEL is, but CRO is from crochet, cause he thought they looked like crochet hooks.
After all, Chicago is well know for it's political wrangling. Chicago; vote early, vote often.
Daley has pretty much got the place sewn up. Unlike Council Wars when Washington was mayor, Daley gets a rubber stamp pass from the council.
It's a weird situation in a way. I forgot which philosopher said it, but it's been said the most effective leader possible would be a benevolent despot. One guy, with a singular vision, and he can get things done. Daley's like that, and for the large part he's vastly improved Chicago, and tied it together with a singular vision. The problem is when that vision gets not so benevolent, with Meigs field, Soldier field, and some other things he's rammed through with little debate as examples. The problem with the benevolent despot is when he becomes not so benevolent and needs to be checked. I feel Bush has been damn close to a despot, both Dems and Republicans giving him too much of a free pass in the name of "Patriotism", and he's far from benevolent.
True. All the more reason to use cash. Not so easy for anyone who goes on vacation. Try renting a car or a hotel room without a credit card. And forget online shopping.
Minor disagreement with you; though slated to close, the lease wasn't up yet. Part of Daley's agreement with Ryan. If he wasn't out of line, why did he bring in bulldozers in the middle of the night to trash the runways?
Everyone got mad when the Mayor of Chicago bulldozed an airport in the night, despite public outcry. Now the President and Congress are doing the same thing with the Bill of Rights. And yeah, I'm pissed.
And Daley used the terrorism angle too, stating that it could be a launching point for attacks against downtown buildings. Most experts thought it would have the opposite effect - you're rermoving some radar and traffic controllers closest to downtown, and normal flightplans places planes pretty closely anyway. He later recanted this, essentially saying he just wanted to do it and get it over with. It was slated to close, it's lease with the Park District ending, but he wanted to fastforward a few years. Silly thing is, it's in a horrible spot for a park, isolated from the rest of the lakefront and probably won't ever be really used.
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Or Donkey Carts. Stay away from that natural propulsion system based donkey cart. Everyone knows oil can't feed terroristic intents...
It seems that your explanation of value is based on dividends. What's the explanation of stocks like Microsoft, which historically never pays dividends, only paying it out once, most folks seeing this as a political favor. Many people value stocks that pay dividends less, feeling it will hurt them relative to a company that takes that money and puts it into capital investment.
Not trying to be mean, just my experience has diverged with yours, and wnat more information on yours.
Apologies to George Carlin, I last heard this skit in HS.
GC: Hey ma, I just lost my yo-yo!!
GC's mom: Where did you leave it last?
GC: If I knew that, I'd still have my yo- yo!!
GC's mom: Well, it didn't just get up and walk away!!
She always got me on that, "it didn't just get up and walk away... then one day, I lost the cat.
GC: Hey mom! I just lost the cat
GC's mom: Well it just didn't get up and <coughs>
GC: Gee mom, I think you figured this one out
This lead to a huge influx of people who learned Java by reading a book, then started writing code. Hopefully that will change at some point...
Ahh, so some people just start writing java code without even reading the book? That explains a JSP coder i had to deal with at one job I had...
Perl, the fully interpreted language?
Perl isn't fully interpreted. I'ts processed and "compiled" to an internal bytecode, then executed. Perl 6 makes this more explicit with the breakout of the Parrot VM. Picture you being able to run java on java sources directly, because there is a hidden pass to javac on every run.
I agree that CGI made the web a lot more fun (anyone else remember URouLette from ukan.edu?) and gave people more reasons to start surfing, but you have to see the web explosion in a holistic view. Web browser techmology ( tags notwithstanding) and the expansion of web aggregators such as yahoo made it much easier to use. That and the continual increases in modem speed with decreases in price allowed more people to acces the web.
1) it's a fun cliche.
2) totally inaccurate.
One thing us Americans have to remember is that though rance did have somewhat of an implosion in WW-II (not as much as most people think) they had in recent memory slogged through a very bloody war in which their land was one of the main battle fronts. They were kinda drained.
Their last major conflict was Algeria. If anything they kicked too much ass. They became too brutal, killing and repressing civilians to clamp down on the independence movement. Their brutality had won, but at a cost they didn't want to pay. Algeria became independent, not because of surrender, but because of choice.
Someone from slashdot getting a date with a hot french girl? Impossible.
I had a Brazilian gf I met in a Parisian youth hostel. We spoke French all the time. Very hot. One of my favorite memories was one time when she visited, she got, ahem, "noticed" by some fine upstanding gentlemen on the street, and then I had to explain to her, in French, what "ghetto booty" meant and why it was a good thing.
There was a French chick that was pretty hot, and she kept on grabbing me... unfortunately I was only back for a week, and she was just having a little bit of fun, didn't want to sleep with a guy that was leaving in 3 days. I always wonder what woulda happened if I stayed longer.
If I remember, Hitler got delayed by Mussolini, had to help him clean up in the disastrous invasion of Ethiopia. This caused the timetable to be screwed up, putting part of the invasion into the winter.
Face it, you can't Torquemada anything....
I think I remember that the Russians broke the siege of Stalingrad by laying tracks over lakes frozen way solid from the winter.
The Cygwin XFree server just recently fixed the copy bug that has been plaguing it for a while, and is now a pretty feature complete XServer. Performance is a bit slow though, but the only workable free XServer I know of. Plus you get all the Cygwin stuff you want. Cygwin is pretty smart about isolating itself itself to it's own area, so you can have tools from different UNIX on Win toolkits around.
"IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!!!!!!"
(This is partially to wonder how many people remember the Twilight Zone reference, partly to defeat the lameness filter).
Just what is the film's advantage in image capture?
...
Before I answer this, I want to preface this by saying I wasn't saying fiulm beats digital in all areas. Digital has tremendous advantages to film, some that I'm very jealous of. But, film has some advantages for me, though these may be for me alone. My requirements are different than yours. I tried to imply that in my previous post, but it may not have been crystal clear. These are also only current limitations, and since digital is moving at such a hyperspeed (I've never seen any hardware that I really care about move this fast, making the PC revolution of the 90s look slow) I suspect these won't be issues much longer.
Anyways, I do a lot of low light stuff. Currently I can get 6400 speed (3200 pushed 1 stop) B/W film pretty much anywhere. I can get 6400 with anything going down to a $140 camera (price of a Rebel GII from B&H). If I want to bother with an external meter, some film can be pushed to 12800. I know of no digital camera that can do this, most can't even go to 3200. I also get full use of wide angle lenses. There are three cameras that do full frame 35MM sensors, none are less than $8000, which makes them a totally different type of camera for me. Digital capture quality is there, and some senses exceeds film (especially high speed color), but it just doesn't do what I need. Digital has a lot of other advantages, some I wish I had now (instant preview would be a godsend; the portable Canon print-size printers are way cool) just it can't capture the images I want.
In processing, digital is clearly superior. I can do things with Photoshop that darkroom photographers never dreamed about...
Very true. I'm a bit of an image purist so I don't do a lot of post-processing, either darkroom print or digital. FOR ME this is a moot point.
As to image storage, making perfect copies beats fiber prints any time. As long as someone copies them over to the current media,
this is my biggest sticking point, the media. What if you had a digital camera back in the days of 8" floppy, and you had some old disks lying around? They'd essentially be lost now. The Apollo Project has a lot of lunar data stored on tape that no one has hardware to read. You'd think with a minor event like a lunar landing people would have transfered the data to something more modern, but they didn't. The Domesday project in Britain had some data transfer issues.
Even the media itself may not be that permanent. Slashdot linked to a story about CDR degradation, where in 2 years most CDRs were unreadable.
It's not just media, it's file formats. Do you save as RAW? Will your software 30 years from now be able to read it? Try reading Word 3.0 docs now. Sure you can convert, but do you really want to convert every 5 years? Best bet is to use open standards, and hope for the best, but this is no guarantee.
And if you want to bring out long-lived B&W prints, why, then let me point out that my digital image file does not age, as opposed to your negatives. In 500 years my grand-(grand)^n-children will still be able to print my photographs, if they choose to
If they have the hardware to read the media, and if they have the sofware to read the files, they will be able to print something out. Just as film fades, your image file may not print the same. There was a very interesting article in a photo mag I read where they were discussing that early image files manipulated in early Photoshop look different because of different, more modern color curves built into current Photoshop.
I'm not saying film beats digital in every area, I'm saying film still has it's advantages. I'm not saying digital is a bad choice. I'm saying it currently is a bad choice for me. Film has issues, but they are known ones. Digital is moving so fast, it is difficult to see where it's going to shake out. I will eventually get a digital SLR, once Canon starts moving the full frame chip from the EOS1D downmarket some. But even then I'll still snap film.
Though it is highly symbolic that the company that invented the Brownie will no longer produce cameras, i think the dinosaur comment is a bit premature, and overly dramatic.
1) Kodak is stopping production of film based cameras, not film. They never were heavy into point and shoot 35mm. A lot of competition there. I don't believe they ever manufactured a 35mm SLR. They created and defined Advantix, and I think the most dramatic change will be here, and saying that they're stopping their Advantix camera production spells the end of film is, well, exaggerating. Advantix will go away, not the way of the donosaur, but more the way of the Kodak Disc - a format designed for ease of use, but with image quality and film availability issues. I gave away my Advantix because getting decent low light film is impossible. At one time, the best you could get was 400 speed. Significantly, this was a Fuji emulsion, not Kodak.
All in all, this more spells the death-knell of Advantix, not film in general.
2) Kodak has just released a lot of new film emulsions, in color print, color slide, and B/W variations. Their R&D will probably slow, but it will be a long time before they stop completely. Fuji, Konica, Agfa, and I think Ilford as well have also all released new emulsions in the last year.
3) Many companies are releasing new film SLRs. Canon, part of the vanguard of Digital, just released an updated Rebel Ti (EOS 300), and even a model just under it, the Rebel K2 (not sure of foreign designation) and re-released the Rebel G to get the very low end of SLRs Kodak has released the F55 and F65, and F75 all very recently, while having a very big digital inventory. They're looking to supplement film for now.
4) Though digital cameras have many advantages over film ones and have converts every day, film still has advantages over the current crop of digital cameras, and will continue to do so for some time. These extend from image capture, to processing, to image storage, to print longevity. Film can not be replaced completely until it no longer has advantages in any of these areas.
5) Inertia. People have 35mm cameras, thousands invested in some. Theyr'e not just going away.
As for me, I suspect I will turn digital at some time. I'll buy a Digital SLR to replace one of the 35MM film SLRs that I currently own, and try to sell or give away my old one. Film will slowly change from being the mainstream to being a hobbyist format. It will never become a dinosaur, because there will always be people that feel it gives them something artistically that digital doesn't. The dwindling customer base will affect economies of scale. There will be no new emulsions because you can't justify the R&D, then some unpopular ones will be culled. But there will always be B/W 35mm film, and ther will always people who want to print their own.
See, your detective work is better than mine. I remember reading that statement too, which is probably where i got the impression. Thanks.
I forgot where I read this, some interview somewhere. Linux interviews are now so common I probably can find one where he guesses who'll win at Oscar night.
I looked at the great Tannenbaum debate. He does have a lot of "I wrote Linux because it does what I need, and nothing else does" arguments where he mentions BSD a few times, but this isn't a "I wrote it because of the lawsuit" smoking-gun type statement.
Maybe someone can write Mr. Torvalds himself and ask. =)
I see your point, but AT&T tried essentially the same case with FreeBSD a while back, and that hindered BSD development and take-up very much. The situation is a bit different now, with a lot more people having commercial interests in Linux than in FreeBSD, and Linux just has a lot more momentum than FreeBSD did at the time (it essentially was just a research project for most folks). Linux himself has written essentially that he never would have written Linux, he just would have used FreeBSD (Net/1 anyway) if it wasn't for the shadow of the lawsuit over it.
Velcro came from a French guy that got curious about why burrs stuck to his pants. He got a magnifying glass and saw there were little hoocks, pliant enough to bend so he could pull it off. I forgot what the VEL is, but CRO is from crochet, cause he thought they looked like crochet hooks.
Wow, scissors that work on WiFi links too!!!
Not trying to be too mean. I printed this out, and sent it to some of the admins here.
Of course, you could write the whole book in 6 words: "Don't turn on the darn computer!"
I prefer 4 words...
Smash computer with sledgehammer.
After all, Chicago is well know for it's political wrangling.
Chicago; vote early, vote often.
Daley has pretty much got the place sewn up. Unlike Council Wars when Washington was mayor, Daley gets a rubber stamp pass from the council.
It's a weird situation in a way. I forgot which philosopher said it, but it's been said the most effective leader possible would be a benevolent despot. One guy, with a singular vision, and he can get things done. Daley's like that, and for the large part he's vastly improved Chicago, and tied it together with a singular vision. The problem is when that vision gets not so benevolent, with Meigs field, Soldier field, and some other things he's rammed through with little debate as examples. The problem with the benevolent despot is when he becomes not so benevolent and needs to be checked. I feel Bush has been damn close to a despot, both Dems and Republicans giving him too much of a free pass in the name of "Patriotism", and he's far from benevolent.
True. All the more reason to use cash.
Not so easy for anyone who goes on vacation. Try renting a car or a hotel room without a credit card. And forget online shopping.
Minor disagreement with you; though slated to close, the lease wasn't up yet. Part of Daley's agreement with Ryan. If he wasn't out of line, why did he bring in bulldozers in the middle of the night to trash the runways?
Everyone got mad when the Mayor of Chicago bulldozed an airport in the night, despite public outcry. Now the President and Congress are doing the same thing with the Bill of Rights. And yeah, I'm pissed.
And Daley used the terrorism angle too, stating that it could be a launching point for attacks against downtown buildings. Most experts thought it would have the opposite effect - you're rermoving some radar and traffic controllers closest to downtown, and normal flightplans places planes pretty closely anyway. He later recanted this, essentially saying he just wanted to do it and get it over with. It was slated to close, it's lease with the Park District ending, but he wanted to fastforward a few years. Silly thing is, it's in a horrible spot for a park, isolated from the rest of the lakefront and probably won't ever be really used.