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SCO Wants to License Europe
MacEnvy writes "It looks like SCO isn't letting up - they've decided to expand their war on Linux to other countries. According to Internet Week, the company will be offering its Intellectual Property License in the UK and other European countries starting February 1. Whether Europeans will buy the licenses has yet to be seen." Motley Fool has chipped in on SCO's chances.
I had a company named SCO...
It died!
It died!
McBride said they owned Unix...
He lied!
He lied!
Why oh why is my company dead?
Couldn't IBM lawyers sue me instead?
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
Do you not study Timothys exceptional work?
Somehow I doubt it...
SB
It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
"Hmm. This isn't working in the states. I know! ..."
Assume I was drunk when I posted this.
Now not only can they be slaughtered in the US courts, but the rest of the world can get in on picking them apart too!
~~ Please keep your arms, legs, and outright stupidity inside the ride at all times. Thank You ~~
Within the week they will have conquered France!
...is the Motley Fool article. A lot of people on Wall Street pay attention to them, or pay attention to people who pay attention to them. And they've said, pretty unequivocally, that things are looking very bad for SCO. That's not going to do nice things to SCO's stock price.
Well, we'll see, of course. Past performance does not guarantee future results, et cetera...
Join moola.com, play games to earn money.
SCO wants to commit fraud in Europe because Europe does not have the death penalty.
It is! A dupe.
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The fool article was also quoted in a posters comment.
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I guess it's not exactly a dupe, but pretty close.
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They could always threaten the French military.
As long as there is a Second Amendment, there will always be a First Amendment.
How much for France? Good food, hot chicks... I'm there.
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
The U.S.-based SCO has yet to successfully get Americans to buy into their licensing scam. I do not see why any European countries would either.
I suspect that SCO will be mocked and laughed at by the Europeans just the same as we Americans do. Finally! A humor that transcends boundaries!
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"We are Linux. Resistance is measured in Ohms."
Oddly enough, it seems more plausible than licensing Linux. Can't understand who's in the market for a license to a continent though...
So it's a global war on Linux they want eh? Time for Linus to issue a fatwa against SCO, and let the Linux zealots do their job.
I can hear that conversation ....
...
Darl: I'm not gonna get my stock options. Who else can we sucker into buying our protection racket?
Sontag: Let's try Europe!
Ralph: Yeah, they don't know nothing about source code and licenses and stuff
Darl: Yeah!
The SCO stooges strike again. If they think the laws are harsh in the US, they would do well to remember the smack down they received in Germany.
Is it:
a. stupidity?
b. greed?
c. utter arrogance?
d. all of the above?
I have deja vu
-Brad
The BBC has the news as the lead article under the Techology section, which means it's linked off the front page. It's largely a "state of play" article, but does makes the point that SCO has already tried this in the US and had few takers and is yet to sue. Doesn't take much reading between the lines to see they are saying "don't bother paying", without compromising their neutrality... ;)
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
filed lawsuites here in the USA, and we would be reading stories about the suite and the defendents.... but they aren't serious, they haven't filed any suites against linux users here. They are pumping and dumping their stock, and Darrell's scrapbook of news stories... again.
Running with Linux for over 20 years!
Practially, SCO is f*cked in Europe. In Germany, they are not allowed to say anything about their "intellectual property" or their license. Should they try out anything similar in any other European country, they can expect to get f*cked the very same way they were f*cked in Germany. Oh, I love European legislation... it doesn't give fraudulent companes like SCO any chance.
A monkey is doing the real work for me.
...will be trying this licensing shit in Russia.
EVERYBODY knows you don't invade Russia. It screwed Napoleon, it screwed Hitler, and it's going to screw McBride.
"Why Subscribe?" Good question...
After January 23, I expect they'll have a bit tougher time getting anybody to buy their "license".
"Europe collectively has just extended their arms and given SCO the middle finger! It's a beautiful sight, Charley."
Background: 28/M/Bi-Sexual; Owner of a Linux company; MBA Harvard 2003; B.S. Comp Sci MIT 2000
I don't think this is fraud because they're not forcing anyone to pay the fee. All they're saying is that possibly someday they may enforce a license at cost X, so why not purchase it now at cost Y? Basically just misleading advertising.
So, what i wanna know, is how can SCO sue people and companies in other countries. The same laws might not even apply. Infact, in the case of the usa, many of the draconian laws might not apply.
Does anyone know how they might bully the people in other countries ?
It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
A list of the transactions taken by SCO's top brass since December is very telling. Sell, sell, sell. 1/07/04 THOMAS P RAIMONDI Director 11,841 Proposed Sale (Form 144) estimated proceeds of $213,138.00 1/07/04 THOMAS P RAIMONDI Director 11,841 Open Market Sale proceeds of $210,189.59 1/07/04 THOMAS P RAIMONDI Director 11,841 Exercise of Stock Options at cost of $13,261.92 12/29/03 R DUFF THOMPSON Director 10,000 Proposed Sale (Form 144) estimated proceeds of $173,400.00 12/29/03 R DUFF THOMPSON Director 10,000 Open Market Sale proceeds of $174,860.00 12/10/03 LARRY GASPARRO Divisional Officer 25,000 Proposed Sale (Form 144) estimated proceeds of $371,500.00 12/10/03 LARRY GASPARRO Divisional Officer 6,640 Open Market Sale proceeds of $100,190.25 12/10/03 LARRY GASPARRO Divisional Officer 6,640 Exercise of Stock Options at cost of $7,436.80
A BBC article covers this too. They have a quote from the head of the SCO Source division seeking licence payments from users. I don't exactly understand it.
"Mr Sontag said taking out a licence was a cheap way to avoid potential legal action and was less expensive than the indemnification schemes set up by firms such as Novell to bail out Linux users that end up in court."
What cost is he referring to here: "less expensive than the idemnification scheme"? What's the deal?
SCO has no IP rights on Europe to license.
But on the other hand, having no rights haven't stopped them from trying to sell Linux licenses.
God is REAL! Unless explicitly declared INTEGER
Dupe. Can't we have some real nerd news like Nasa to
abandon Hubble telescope
Jeez, what part of "attempt no landing there" didn't they get?
Oh, wait, that's Europa. Never mind.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a skull.
I come from Europe, been in most Western-European countries and I think that Europe as a whole is not so much 'tainted' with patent-protection. Good thing. European companies will probably use SCO's letters as toilet paper, or piss on it.
As a last resort there is the totally undemocratic but ever-so power-gaining European Commision which just declared open-source The Way To Go. What they'll probably do is (1) look at SCO's web site (2) see how mean looking that CEO is and (3) revert SCO letters to the trash bin. Also remember that the EU commision is quite happy to hand out 'fines' of hundreds of millions of dollars to whatever company that makes them cross. Yes.. sometimes semi-dictatorship is advantageous.
(Disclaimer: Not my auction, not related.)
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
There isn't enough crack in the world to explain this...
JWall: GUI client for IPTables
1) Try an idea in the USA.
2) After it fails, try it in the EU.
3) Get smacked down by the international legal community.
4) ??????
5) PROFIT!!!
Jason Faulkner
Old Os Administrator
jason@oldos.org
oldos.
...the fat penguin is hungy.
My bet is SUSE will begin to fund the OSDL next, as they are a big European linux player.
for SCO to lose in the US and Europe?
The company should be broken into a billion tiny 1's and 0's and sprinkled into the fires of Mount Doom.
I'm laughing at clouds.
Is the Russian Winter...
WARNING! Do you own a car, know how to read, or view photographs? Then you may be using some of my intellectual property, and I may file a lawsuit against you, claiming hundreds or even billions in damages.
Are you concerned? YOU SHOULD BE! Intellectual Property Theft is one of the most notorious crimes facing life on this planet. Terrorists often use Intellectual Property Theft to further their own evil goals. Stealling my intellectual propery is unAmerican.
What can you do? Well, you can either give up on life, or you can buy a license from me! Feel comfortable driving, reading, or seeing things. Have no fear of turning into an unamerican terrorist. And all it costs is $350 per person!
Isn't that a fair price for a piece of mind?
I can finally get my license!!!
This Just In ...
...
BBC News
Within two hours of receiving the SCO demand letter, President Chirac hastily convened the French Parlimant. By a virtual unanimous vote, 1 member (a Linux user) from the Assembly abstaining, France has agreed to surrender.
The SCO lawyers are expected on Monday to parade down the Champs Elysees prior to accepting France's surrendertrain.
They couldn't sell or advertise their IP-license in Germany, because before they can do so, they have to prove that there is SCO-code in linux.
0 3/
:->
There is an article about that on heise.de: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/jk-15.01.04-0
"We are not even allowed to talk about it" said an SCO-spokesman over IDG NewsService. Poor SCO
SCO better watch out, as they could land themselves in a lot of trouble in some countries. Scottish law for example, has laws to combat 'extortion'.... good for dealing with those notorious demand letters I think. ;)
SCO can license EUROPE? WOW!
I hope there's a Luxemburg exclusion clause.
I guess I better hurry up and start licensing MARS.
- Gentlemen, start your hybrids!
Scene at french castle as sco's lawyers arrive looking for their money
Frenchman 1: Uh c'est sco.
Frenchman 2: Quoi?
FM1: Les litigious bastards
FM2: Ohhhh...oui! sco.
FM1: Fetchez le vache!
FM2: Uhhh?
FM1: Fetchez le vache
Mooing noise. Cow is seen flying over wall of french castle. Sco's lawyers run away screaming "run away. run away".
Too bad they didn't try this a few years ago. If they had, the Europeans could have paid them in Monopoly Euros.
I'm sure that some people would pay 699 units of Monopoly currency to see McBride shut up. Oh, wait... but then, where would our daily /. entertainment come from?
Please Help a Schizoid Genius!
Shit!! Now I'm OD'in .... guess I'll have to check into Charter or Betty Ford clinic...
Damn SCO is like a drug pusher...
A list of the transactions taken by SCO's top brass since December is very telling.
Sell, sell, sell.
1/07/04 THOMAS P RAIMONDI Director 11,841 Proposed Sale (Form 144) estimated proceeds of $213,138.00
1/07/04 THOMAS P RAIMONDI Director 11,841 Open Market Sale proceeds of $210,189.59
1/07/04 THOMAS P RAIMONDI Director 11,841 Exercise of Stock Options at cost of $13,261.92
12/29/03 R DUFF THOMPSON Director 10,000 Proposed Sale (Form 144) estimated proceeds of $173,400.00
12/29/03 R DUFF THOMPSON Director 10,000 Open Market Sale proceeds of $174,860.00
12/10/03 LARRY GASPARRO Divisional Officer 25,000 Proposed Sale (Form 144) estimated proceeds of $371,500.00
12/10/03 LARRY GASPARRO Divisional Officer 6,640 Open Market Sale proceeds of $100,190.25
12/10/03 LARRY GASPARRO Divisional Officer 6,640 Exercise of Stock Options at cost of $7,436.80
Don't forget to queue up to pay your 555.75 Linuxe usage fee, you John Thomas gobbling bollocks fondlers!
;)
Or something like that....
Please copy and distribute Let's Put SCO Behind Bars. It has a Creative Commons license. From the page:
It's also available in UBB Code format for the message boards that use it.Request your free CD of my piano music.
Wouldn't it be funny if we found out that Microsoft was behind SCO in a desperate attempt to discourage businesses from replacing their MS products with Linux?
Jester hats? Whatever happened to the good ole days when all you needed to work on Wall Street was a great suit and a cocaine habit?
Unknown host pong.
I wholeheartedly agree!
Some years ago, an article in Newsweek (of all places) had c**t. I spent a good five minutes trying to figure out if they meant clit or cunt. Both would fit, as I recall.
The chieftan of Clan McDonald owns a restaurant named McDonald's, located somewhere in Scotland.
When the American fast food chain of the same name sued him for trademark infringement, the chieftan threatened to forbid the fast food chain from doing business in Scotland.
After checking with its attorneys, the fast food chain quickly dropped its case.
Request your free CD of my piano music.
Can I license Europe from them? What sort of rights do I get to Europe?
Wow, if SCO keeps innovating like this, what will they sell next? The brooklin Bridge?
LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
"Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!"
It bounced right off the Panzers, but SCO's offensives are so weak that the taunts just might be enough this time.
Please Help a Schizoid Genius!
SCO will expand its licensing program to all european foreign dictionaries in the near future.
A quick seach shows that the english version of /usr/share/dict/words alone already contains
1613 words, which illegally include the SCO trademark. Examples are diSCO(tm)mfort,
diSCO(tm)mmodity, MoSCO(tm)w.
SCO, in the attempt to protect its trademark, and the legitimate interests of its stock owners, will sue everyone who uses any of these words without permission.
Right now, the legal department of SCO is reviewing european word lists, and is expecting to find a huge amount of diSCO(tm)ompliance to the trademark and IP laws.
cpghost at Cordula's Web.
What Alan Cox thinks of this? He specifically chooses not to travel to the US because of the DMCA. What about the SuSE guys? What do they say, especially now that Novell bought them? I know they all lurk here, could they comment?
C|N>K
All you touch and all you see is all your life will ever be
To me it is becoming apparent that the SCO fiasco against IBM and Linux is a diversion, which is covering up something even more insidious. SCO isn't even trying with respect to the court case and is focused mostly on making as much noise and involving as many parties as possible? Anyone have any guesses or insights as to what we might be missing?
Could it be as simple as ego? Is Bill Gates paying Daryl to replace him as the most hated man in high tech or, is this simply a scam to scare people away from using Linux? I just have a sinking feeling that the true enemy is about to sneak up behind us. Maybe I'm just paranoid but maybe, just maybe, I'm not paranoid enough.
Can't we just shoot them or something? Seems like it'd save time and improve the human race.
How to say "shove your licenses up where the sun doesn't shine" in several different languages.
In unrelated news, UnixWare will now support localized error messages.
I thought the German courts told SCO to pull their head in. Isn't this going to get their head sliced off ?
So let me get this straight...
SCO, an American company, wants to hi-jack an OS that was born in Europe, and then license it back to European companies??
Who do they expect is going to fall for this?
I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.
Russia is the name of my very large 140lb male Bloodhound....
From excellent karma to terible karma with a single +5 funny post...
FRENCH RIFLES: Never fired, just dropped.
I work for one of the many federal gov orginisations in DC, recently I recieved one of those ceases and desist letters, my response.. they can kiss my ass, till I see an outcome in the courts (which at the way sco is heading will be never at this rate), I will continue to use the linux products I maintain.
http://www.sco.com/company/jobs/
:-)
I kid you not:
Software Engineer (05 Nov 2003)
Internal Audit (21 Nov 2003)
Director of Financial Reporting (08 Dec 2003)
Inside Sales Manager (09 Jan 2004)
Senior Software Engineer (13 Jan 2004)
Kinda tells a little story, doesn't it.
Pinky : "Gee, Darl what do you want to do tonight?"
Darl : "The same thing we do every night Pinky. Try to take over the world!"
Meanwhile, bystanders will be murmurming to each other:
The French fought valiently in WW2. Unfortunately the Germans were a vastly superior military and quickly overwhelmed the French army. However the French didn't simply give in, despite a puppet gov't being installed. Instead they continued to fight back as the French Resistance. Many brave Frenchmen (and women) died battling the Nazi's who'd taken over their country.
This cliche is false, and its been beaten to death. Let's put it to rest.
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
1) Lose in United States. ...
2) Lose in Europe.
3) Claim IP in Mars Rover...
4)
5) PROFIT!
And it's called the GPL.
.sig away, earning rent.
Speaking as an admin for some 130 linux boxes in The Netherlands I can assure SCO that they will be wasting their time. Mr. McBride can go and stick his license where the sun don't shine.
The second they start spewing their bullshit over here I will not be surprised when they get sued for slander (like in Germany), I know of several companies over here that are already preparing a combined legal strategy in case SCO starts getting uppity. There are a lot of large hosting providers and ISP's/ASP's around Amsterdam who rely heavily on Linux, there's no way they will allow SCO to intterrupt their business.
Actually, I can't wait for SCO to enter the justice system, dutch courts are very wary of corporate greed at the moment.
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Yes, I'm kind of curious as to what the Finnish and Swedish reactions will be.
I'm reminded of that section in Neil Stephenson's Cryptonomicon, where the narrator talks about the Finnish designing their own guns...
especially with those european babes....
but that's all it is...wants....
besides, SCO's stradegy is like that of a kid losing an argument, "So? i Can't hear yOu" (oo... S.C.O.)
Europe has no software patents, and even if they get through, it's very unlikely that they would work retroactively. In other words, UNIX patents mean nothing in Europe.
To show a copyright infringement, SCO would have to: 1. Demonstrate that it is the copyright holder (that pretty much means defeating Novel/SuSe in another lawsuit) 2. Show precisely what pieces of code have been copied from Unix into Linux.
Strangely enough, SCO doesn't seem/want to do either.
The Raven
I submitted this story two days ago. I guess I just don't give good head.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
1/07/04 THOMAS P RAIMONDI Director 11,841 Proposed Sale (Form 144) estimated proceeds of $213,138.00
1/07/04 THOMAS P RAIMONDI Director 11,841 Open Market Sale proceeds of $210,189.59
1/07/04 THOMAS P RAIMONDI Director 11,841 Exercise of Stock Options at cost of $13,261.92
12/29/03 R DUFF THOMPSON Director 10,000 Proposed Sale (Form 144) estimated proceeds of $173,400.00
12/29/03 R DUFF THOMPSON Director 10,000 Open Market Sale proceeds of $174,860.00
12/10/03 LARRY GASPARRO Divisional Officer 25,000 Proposed Sale (Form 144) estimated proceeds of $371,500.00
12/10/03 LARRY GASPARRO Divisional Officer 6,640 Open Market Sale proceeds of $100,190.25
12/10/03 LARRY GASPARRO Divisional Officer 6,640 Exercise of Stock Options at cost of $7,436.80
Don't you mean cherchez la vache?
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
AAAhhhhhhhh what happened to the sane world we used to live in?????? Was it always this fucked up and we just didn't have pervasive media and communications to know about it or is it getting more and more fucked up as we go?
To me it is becoming apparent that the SCO fiasco against IBM and Linux is a diversion, which is covering up something even more insidious. SCO isn't even trying with respect to the court case and is focused mostly on making as much noise and involving as many parties as possible? Anyone have any guesses or insights as to what we might be missing?
;-)
Yeah, I know what you're missing. It's called "Borderline Personality Disorder"; google it and I'll think you'll feel enlightened wrt to Mr. McBride's behavior.
Of course this is only my personal opinion; an amateur making psychological evaluations based on press releases can be as hilariously off as, say, a PHB writing code
the last thing you want to do is let go...
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
What I think, and, I have very slowly come around to this, is that like people say, it's a FUD campaign to pump up the stock.
NOW, when will the Powers That Be in the stock market realize this?
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
And I, for one, welcome our new crack smoking overlords.
Really, I know what I'm doing...Ohhhh, look at the shiny buttons!
Am I the only one praying this damned company falls victim to a plethora of DoS and other fund-expendature attacks?
nothing.can.stop.me.now
Speaking of stock, 30+% of SCO stock is held by mutual funds and other institutional owners, so if you believe that SCO is going to lose this case, which seems likely, expect all the shareholders to take huge losses when this stock sinks. A look at the history of their stock shows it's way over-valued anyway. If you have annuities or mutual funds, you really need to find out if they have SCO in their portfolio cause you're going to get burned!
Capital Guardian Trust Company 1,177,800 8.51 $16,288,974 30-Sep-03
Integral Capital Management Vi, LLC 316,600 2.29 $4,378,578 30-Sep-03
Royce & Associates, Inc. 1,441,200 10.41 $19,931,796 30-Sep-03
Integral Capital Management V, LLC 246,730 1.78 $3,412,275 30-Sep-03
Empire Capital Partners LP 205,000 1.48 $1,961,849 30-Jun-03
Barclays Bank Plc 174,686 1.26 $2,415,907 30-Sep-03
Bjurman, Barry & Associates 160,000 1.16 $2,212,800 30-Sep-03
ING Investments, LLC 143,100 1.03 $1,979,073 30-Sep-03
Oberweis Asset Management Inc. 112,000 0.81 $1,548,960 30-Sep-03
Whitney Asset Management LLC 76,967 0.56 $1,064,453 30-Sep-03
More details HERE.
Whatever happened to a short and speedy trial?
This SCO thing's been going on for a little less then a year now.
What I think will happen, even though many people disagree, is that SCO and IBM will settle. This will further propagate the FUD that keeps down the smaller Linux operators and gives both SCO and IBM what they want: a chance to come out clean and free of any IP issues.
We need to put just as much pressure on IBM to take this case all the way through. I won't be surprised if it gets settled. IBM settling would do more for IBM than winning the case, which would legitimize all of IBM's competition in the Linux marketplace.
Ok I've been following along with this story for quite awhile now and I personally believe sco is going to lose the case. It should be the end of the company at that time. Now I was just at the nasdaq site looking to see how the recent news has affected sco. While there I started looking into some of it's numbers and found that overall if I knew nothing about the company everything looks pretty good. Hell they even went from losing money to having an actual earnings/share in the past year. There stock is ranked as being an average risk and there is both a buy rating and a sell rating in the analysis. Something worth $250,000,000 could be worth $2 in less then 30 days time and it's an average risk?
This leaves me wondering just how many other stocks out there are rated so highly based off of a hope and prayer? Is the entire system this easily manipulated?
It's a scheme to make Daryl money through stock price manipulation. That's all. It makes perfect sense if understood from that perspective.
Need a Python, C++, Unix, Linux develop
Swedish: stoppa upp era licenser dar solen aldrig skiner.. (the 'a' in 'dar' contains the double-dots-above-it umlaut which slashcode for some reason strips)
Prepend "Ni kan" for "You can".
Belief is the currency of delusion.
Fuck you. No, seriously - fuck you. You think it's funny that we were invaded by Germany? I wish the Mexicans and Canadians would invade you shitheads a bit so you could get a taste of your own medicine.
Go ahead and mod this as flamebait, but I'm sick of having our defeat shoved down our throats.
"The OSDL's roster includes: Cisco (Nasdaq: CSCO), Dell (Nasdaq: DELL), Ericsson, Fujitsu, Hitachi, HP, IBM, Intel (Nasdaq: INTC), Nokia, Red Hat, Sun Microsystems (Nasdaq: SUNW), Toshiba, and others."
It's no coincidence all these companies make most of their money selling hardware. They benefit because they can sell a product cheaper, and thus gain an edge on competition. All they need to do is donate enough to keep OSDL going. These companies are reaping huge profits at the expense of programmers who work on Linux, who may draw a salary for their work, but no profit sharing. Oh well, Linus and company chose their own poison.
or anywhere else.
Selling a license to a technology that you do not own is serious fraud - prison time. Scox doesn't own linux.
Scox just wants "investors" to think that scox has some possible new sources on revenue.
A few people from the UK have already tried to buy licenses, scox wont sell them. Scox won't sell those licenses in the USA either. Call scox up and ask.
How exactly does it do more for IBM by settling rather than winnning a court case that gains it respect? IBM already has money.
Legitimizing it's Linux rivals is something IBM will have to deal with anyway in the near future, with or without SCO. IBM will end up legitimizing them on it's own, with IBM's own success in Linux solutions, with or without SCO.
If I had to guess, IBM will end up squeezing SCO so hard that SCO will voluntarily give IBM money to stop the pain. IBM won't settle, SCO will just lose stock value and quit in a war of attrition.
At very most, SCO is trying to stave off a takeover, by increasing its stock value artificially...perhaps they have a way out that we'll not know about until 20 years from now.
Go read the offending code, sign the NDA...IBM won't settle.
Advice for next time: Copy the HTML source and paste it in the form. Its the only way you can keep the alignment in the browser. Go to nero-online.org, enter the Troll Database where you'll find many fine trolls, including goatse artwork. Copy the HTML CODE, not the browser output, and paste it in slashdot form, clicking anonymous to save karma.
Like 95% of the money from the unauthorized modifications SCO made to the preexisting Unix licenses held by Sun and Microsoft...
AND
Never engage in a battle of wits with a Sicilian."
Anyone know if they will go for Italy as well, because I have a feeling that Mr. McBride is not very suited for a battle of wits, and I highly doubt he has built up a tolerance for iocane(sp?) powder.
Ah ha ha ha ha. Ah ha ha ha ha. Ah ha ha--
*interactive civilian falls over and dies.*
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
It's time to turn "sco" into a generic noun and a generic verb.
Noun definition: "a loser who resorts to deceitful or coersive tactics due to a lack of imagination or principles." Synonymous with "scumbag." Also, "a fraudulent or coercive scheme." Synonymous with "scam."
For example, "That sco tried to rip me off!" and "Don't fall for that, it's just a sco."
Verb definition: "to deceive or coerce someone, or obtain something through deceit or coersion, due to a lack of imagination or principles, or a combination of laziness and greed." Synonymous with "to screw."
For example, "They tried to sco me, but I didn't fall for it."
There's a certain poetic justice in this. SCO is trying to take something that belongs to *all of us* and make it exclusively *theirs*. Turning their name into a generic noun and verb, turns the tables and makes something that is/was "theirs" into something that belongs to *everyone*. Best part is, they can't stop it!
AAAhhhhhhhh what happened to the sane world we used to live in??????
Uh
"...used to live in..."?
what planet are you from ?
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Free your mind - Flush your toilet
The combined air forces of the British and French was much larger than the Luftwaffe.
The Germans understood modern mechanized warfare: the massing of coordinated, combined-arms forces. The French assigned their tanks piecemeal to various foot-borne infantry units.
The French also folded. Period. In 1940, the Germans took just twice as long to beat the French than the US took to defeat a decade-of-sanctions-starved Iraq in 2003.
The Germans didn't spend the 1920s teaching their children that "violence doesn't settle anything." Anyone who believes that "violence doesn't settle anything" needs to move to a planet with a blue sky and a dominant race that, when it comes right down to it, is pretty damn violent.
The French foreswore violence pretty much after World War I, despite the fact their next-door neighbor didn't.
Dupe.
The only reason we have the rights we have is that people just like us died to gain those rights. -- Cheerio Boy
MATRIX THEORY !
i have submitted this as a story. WE will see how DENSE the editors are. LET THE ENERGY FLOW!
MATRIX THEORY !
i have submitted this as a story. WE will see how DENSE the editors are. LET THE ENERGY FLOW!
Was it always this fucked up and we just didn't have pervasive media and communications to know about it?
Yes.
Next question?
-- MarkusQ
This whole fiasco started as an attempt to get bought by IBM, probably with an attempt to inflate the stock price before the sale. It failed
SCO's management are now fucked. They lied their way into this and will eventually destroy the company with some risk of being personally sued by their own investors. But the moment they drop the case they are guaranteed to get sued for gross mismanagement.
They're between a rock and a hard place, all they can do now is delay the inevitable. No-one at SCO can possibly believe they will win but Darl may believe they'll find a way to escape relatively unscathed: they just need more time to work out how and no admission of guilt.
Nah, you're paranoid enough for two, but you're possibly right. However the answer is not to panic, but to figure out what the hidden part is.
1. It could be Microsoft. I don't think Bill G and Darl actually planned the whole thing myself, but some people have mentioned it, so let's grant the possibility. If so, MS isn't up to a lot, they tried something, it is in the process of failure, they don't have a way to turn that around, so they are either regrouping or starting something else unrelated. IF MS has an evil plan, I hope they have enough sense to pick somebody totally unconnected to SCO for the next attempt, cause anything less is unworthy.
2. There could be problems throughout SCOs parent, the Canopy Group. That could lead to another stock market scandle as big as Enron (SCO by itself is much smaller), but it's not particularly related to Linux, and most slashdotters are either unaffected, or just need to check their retirement fund account to make sure it's not vested, not just in SCO, but not heavily in SCO's sister corporations. If that actually turns out to be true, I'll give you a pat on the back for being just paranoid enough.
So, if you wanted to look up the Canopy Group's holdings, and see if others are involved in lots of lawsuits, etc. You could maybe either allay your fears or prove you were right.
Who is John Cabal?
Kind of reminds me of a Simpsons episode..
Oh man, I pulled a SCO..
"I bow to no man" - Riddick
At my company here in Germany, we have already told the SCO sales associates to FUCK OFF! We used those exact words, but, of course, in German! There were surprised, but SCO needs to understand this is Germany not the USA!
But if they start selling licenses without being able to proof anything of their claims, then it could be that in several european countries they will get
the countries police and on their back, for fraud and blackmail.
European law is very strict in this regard, as you can see with the cease and desist Sco already has gotten in germany.
Over here if you sell something you have to clearly proof that you sell more than thin air, and I doubt Sco is legally allowed to sell some of their licenses over here unless they are able to proof their claims, which the remaining two weeks are a little bit thin timeframe for.
Maybe giving SCO some hookers will get them to slow it down. Umm, we'll also prep the hookers to 'be kind', the SCO is huge...right...
1888 Franklin St.
Are they the same kind of people that predicted a stock market boom 3 days before Great Depression market crash?
Which part is "WE SURRENDER"?
No, he means Fetchez.
You speak the truth, brutha. You suck--er, you blow, uh--you're no good at it.
Honestly not a troll just an observation. Looking at it from this side of the pond (uk) and looking at the way business is conducted (or at least reported) you would think that this was Nigeria we are talking about and not the US! We see things like SCO (pondlife?-sorry pun) trying to come over here, the latest accounting scandal (todays is: worlds largest recruitment firm reports accounting irregularities in it's American operation) together with reports of the Bush administration feathering it's nest over Iraq etc and it seems like the actions of a tin pot dictatorship and not that of a modern democracy Sorry to be negative, the US is a great country I've been there several times and always been made welcome (probably won't be allowed in now, after posting this! ---tinfoil hat time)
They told SCO to pretty much fall over and die. This same country on similar terms also got rid of Scientologists. Fuck yeah! Go Germany!
Gee like we don't already have our hands full trying to hold off the US patent system.
EU Software Directive prevents ownership claims of the code.
I suppose Africa's still safe at the moemnt.
they got served an injunction there and can no longer spout their nonsense there..
Yes.. sometimes semi-dictatorship is advantageous.
I wouldn't say we have semi-dictatorship here in Europe. It's more like that FUD's not a proof here.
What's the difference between Darl McBride and a car battery?
A car battery has a positive side!
Why is it that iTunes Music Store for Europe is still non-existant but SCO licencing will soon be ubiquitous?
Not only is the new SCO pissing people off with it's legal bullshit, they are eviscerating the former Santa Cruz Operation's fine name and then dragging the corpse through the streets. I suspect that the vast majority of non-geeks who are following this thing don't even realize that the new SCO is the antithesis of the old SCO.
"The french put up a solid fight angainst the Nazis,"
21 days is a solid fight? That's the kind of struggle Iraq put up against the US.
Lets talk about the TRUTH here:
1) The french gave up once teh Maginot line was breached
2) The french were not that concerned that the Nazi's took over; in fact, most sources claim the French were the hardest working members of the Nazi team, contributing much in materiale to the Nazi war machine
3) There was no french resistance; it was a myth created by Degaulle after teh war as a way to generate nationalistic feeling.
4)Yes! The US freed france from the grip of Nazi rule.
"Instead they continued to fight back as the French Resistance."
Just a note here... the French surrendered in 3 weeks. The Poles put up a considerably more difficult challenge.
But enough of that. There was no resistance. Let me repeat that... despite what they say in your history books, there was no French resistance.
The myth of French resistance was created by Degaulle and willingly accepted by the French because it allowed them to believe something other than reality and hide their shame over their *Welcoming* of the Nazi's.
Let me put it this way... there are no French Jews left. If you get my point.
1. It could be Microsoft. I don't think Bill G and Darl actually planned the whole thing myself, but some people have mentioned it, so let's grant the possibility. If so, MS isn't up to a lot, they tried something, it is in the process of failure, they don't have a way to turn that around, so they are either regrouping or starting something else unrelated. IF MS has an evil plan, I hope they have enough sense to pick somebody totally unconnected to SCO for the next attempt, cause anything less is unworthy.
I have a friend who works at Microsoft. I took him to lunch the other day and mentioned this SCO/Miscrsoft connection. First I asked if he was even aware of what was going on. "Oh, yes." he said. Then I went as far as to suggest That Microsoft was the ghost partner in all this. He responded with "Well that's what everybody in this office thinks." Then he just looked at me, intently, as if to say... I waiting... read deeper. I've given you an insiders answer but can't say any more.
All I could do is say "Wow, okay..."
No proof of high level talks; no smoking gun. But I knew then that SCO smelled Microsoft money and fell for it as so many other companies have. How many countless companies have smelled M$ money, gone for it, only to find it cost them their life. Not unlike selling out to the Devil for short term gains. Microsoft wins. Not only through SCO can they attack Linux, they sink the preceved owners of UNIX in the process. This is *so* Microsofts style. With Darly not being too bright, kind of like a president I know, the job to sucker him in wasn't too tough I suspect.
If they intend to introduce a new license product that will save their company shouldn't they at least update their web pages to mention it?
In another post:
1. It could be Microsoft. I don't think Bill G and Darl actually planned the whole thing myself, but some people have mentioned it, so let's grant the possibility. If so, MS isn't up to a lot, they tried something, it is in the process of failure, they don't have a way to turn that around, so they are either regrouping or starting something else unrelated. IF MS has an evil plan, I hope they have enough sense to pick somebody totally unconnected to SCO for the next attempt, cause anything less is unworthy.
I have a friend who works at Microsoft. I took him to lunch the other day and mentioned this SCO/Microsoft connection. First I asked if he was even aware of what was going on. "Oh, yes." he said. Then I went as far as to suggest That Microsoft was the ghost partner in all this. He responded with "Well that's what everybody in this office thinks." Then he just looked at me, intently, as if to say... I waiting... read deeper. I've given you an insiders answer but can't say any more.
All I could do is say "Wow, okay..."
No proof of high level talks; no smoking gun. But I knew then that SCO smelled Microsoft money and fell for it as so many other companies have. How many countless companies have smelled M$ money, gone for it, only to find it cost them their life. Not unlike selling out to the Devil for short term gains. Microsoft wins. Not only through SCO can they attack Linux, they sink the preceved owners of UNIX in the process. This is *so* Microsofts style. With Darly not being too bright, kind of like a president I know, the job to sucker him in wasn't too tough I suspect.
The problem with this theory is that it will strengthen linux and therefore hurt microsoft in the end. If this is really initiated by MS, they are really panicking about linux.
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Who knows
Then again, they could in fact be men of vision that appreciate that all of their OS-development is done for free by various people around the world...
Dear Sir of Madam,
We regret to inform you that in order for you to continue using Europe, you must pay us $699. You see, Europe contains traces of Linux, which supposedly contains our intellectual property. Therefore, in order to use Europe, you must pay for the intellectual property that may or may not be contained within it.
Thank You and Have a Nice Day,
SCO Group
Leaked internal memos already show Microsoft is panicking about Linux. At minimum, worried. Ya, sure it was a gamble but their intent was not to strenthen Linux but to damage it. (Assuming they're behind this.)
Linux doesn't have a "company" Microsoft can go after, buy out or crush. What's left? IP, copyright and patent infringment. What other attack did they have in their bag of tricks when their TCO FUD wasn't working. They can't kill it and this does scare them.
Microsoft can attack TCO and be safe but even in this administration they have to at least appear not to be monopolizing, this administration won't last for ever. They needed a front company, SCO.
At least that's the rumor mill going on within Microsoft's own offices...
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The part where you scream out insanely as I ram my thick cock up your ass repeatedly. That part.
Right now they're selling "licenses" so something they are not proven to own. That's a much bigger deal in the EU than in the US. They lost their tolerance for that kind of lawyering long ago...and bitterly punish it. Look at the German case against SCOs news releases. Good news is that SCO now stands a good chance of being banned from business in europe altogether for such a stunt! Or they'll have to cough up what their "ownership" rights really are.
All this for a little bit of money. You know there's more to life than a little bit of money.
And here it is, such a beautiful day.
-- A cat is no trade for integrity!
You linux zealots will only be happy when you've destroyed the institution of intellectual property. And you call SCO un-American...
someone outside of the linux community understands why we care about this:
"In response, Linux-heads, who developed the operating system to liberate themselves from exactly this type of corporate bullying, have been calling for the head of SCO CEO Darl McBride on a platter." -fool.com
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. --Edmund Burke
I think SCO should be stopped. I'm a European citizen and none of my tax money is going to be spend on something that, in my eyes, isn't even a legal license.
I think it's time to brainstorm on how it is possible to stop SCO from bringing this idiocy to Europe. That's what it is no? Correct me if I'm wrong, please.
So what can we do? Set up a website? Arange petitions?
42 + 1 = 42
The value of your investment may go down or up.
Or down and up.
Or down because it went up.
Or up because it went down because it went up.
Or down while Darl McBride's goes up.
Or down when Darl McBridge goes down.
Does anyone else's head hurt?
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
It may be widely known amongst geeks in the IT community, but the mainstream press still seem to give SCO rather too much credit some of the time!
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
Our chief weapon is uncertainty... uncertainty and fear... fear and uncertainty... our two weapons are fear and uncertainty... and doubt. Our three weapons are fear, uncertainty and doubt and an almost fanatical devotion to lawyers... Our four... no... amongst our weapons... amongst our weaponry are such elements as fear, uncertainty... I'll come in again.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
People tend to mock France on its military record because each time the Germans felt like having their armies visit Paris, the French only slightly begrudgingly obliged each time.
I must say that only did the Wehrmacht - during its daily morning march up and down it - do justice to the Champs Elysees' elegance.
maybe if they weren't such pricks to anyone that isn't french, the rest of the world wouldn't sling it back at them... just a theory...
Democratically elected governments? I don't know much about Continental politics, but I do know that the British government got 40% of the vote, with a turnout of about 25%, in the last General Election. That hardly qualifies as a popular mandate.
This case has all the earmarks of a standard, litigious IP-based extortion scheme. That business model dictates that the main purpose is not to win, but to shake down as many people as possible. And the one thing you do not do is go after the biggest player if you're not certain you can win.
So why is SCO doing this? What are the possible reasons?
1. A last ditch effort to save the company
Most people seem to think this is what's going on, but public companies are all about making money and creating shareholder value. This is a very risky proposition that could result in the destruction of SCO. It's hard to believe the major shareholders want to roll the dice.
2. A delusional batch of executives are convinced they're right and are blindly pursuing their course.
As foolish as most of us think SCO is, I still think it's hard to believe that they're as foolish as they seem to be acting. The fact that SCO is playing games with the court and being mysterious and evasive about their evidence implies that they are more aware of the fragility of their case than they want people to believe.
3. It's a big stock scam
The major players have put together a plan to inflate SCO's stock and hope to cash out before it all comes crashing down. It's a variation on the dot-com theme of 2000, but this one is intentional and out in the open: let's create a lot of hype, resulting in inflated value, and then cash out and leave someone else holding the bag.
4. It's an elaborate plan designed to discredit Linux and the open source community.
The only way this plan fails is if the case goes to trial and SCO loses. If they win, it's a huge victory for them; if they settle, it's a huge victory for them. As time goes by, their case gets weaker and weaker. If this continues, my money is on them trying to settle with IBM.
So why wouldn't IBM settle if SCO offered them a deal? Let's look at these scenarios:
1. IBM is dependent upon Linux as part of their future product line. They need to ensure their customers that there are no IP issues.
Winning the case AND settling the case both accomplish this objective. The difference is, if the case is settled, then ONLY IBM is free and clear. IBM becomes the only legitimate Linux distributor in town and their business skyrockets.
2. IBM is a big, idealistic company that truly cares about the open-source community and will fight to keep software free.
I'm sure this kind of talk dominates the discussion at shareholder and executive meetings.
If IBM wins the case, open-source wins, and IBM "sorta" wins, but it's a hollow victory and all of a sudden IBM has tons of legitimate competition from other Linux distributors.
What kind of dictionary are you using? According to mine (Hill's Swedish-English/English-Swedish Pocket Dictionary):
skoj: humbug, cheating
skoja: swindle
skojare: swindler
The word "skoj" can also mean "fun", but the meaning of "skojeri" is hardly in doubt; it does mean "the act of swindling, making false claims and promises", definitely not "pun". You can call it "svindel", but that would eliminate the pun, don't you think?
In any case, as long as this is merely meant as a PR thing by SCO to pump their stock, we aren't likely to see any attempts from them to actually collect what they claim is theirs. They can name foreign countries all they like; we won't pay attention unless they actually land on our doorsteps.
If SCO is sending news services in Germany notes about their license fight with Linux, it seems to met that they'd be in violation of the German injunction. It might be time for LinuxTag to look into whether they can fetch a bounty for the fine that SCO gets for this.
Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
I agree, it does appear that M$ are behind this and bankrolling SCO to do their dirty work.
The idea that it all about the stock price of SCO or that SCO just want to be brought out appears to be working like a smoke screen to some extent.
It's funny that one of the first words on SCO's frontpage (as of 18 jan 2004), is "Microsoft".. in that 'Unix Authentication and ID Management using Microsoft Active Directory' ad.
As long as they don't do the baseless claims about Linux in Germany they can join whatever idiots that care to get close to them.
If there is any agroupation in Germany that takes the advice of these litigious bastards about intellectual property seriously, they deserver wahtever happens to their IP.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Not a fucking chance.
Norway was neutral!!
Obviously it wouldn't take much of an effort to capture it. In comparison to France which DID declare war on Germany, and long before Germany invaded France.
God damn, your comparison suck!
I don't see how you can even compare those two things.
One country declaring war on someone, then doing virtually nothing, just sitting at it's boarders firing a gun once or twice. Then when the germans DID attack, just to be conquered in a flash. France WAS at war with Germany, and the french had generals saying 'We don't fire upon them since they aren't doing anything wrong...' Oviously they had forgotten they had declared war.
Norway, on the other side, declaring itself neutral, which it was under WW-I, then getting 'attacked' by the allies and also having the allies laying mines down it's costline, at the same time a HUGE german invasion force moving to attack.
Yup.
As for Poland, some countries guarnteed it's safety... France and England. Did they do anything when Poland was attacked? No! Nothing. Or... They started dropping leaflets on German cities, telling the germans that 'war is a generally bad idea'.
FRANCE declared war on Germany, then proceeded to do nothing before it was conquered in a stunningly short time. You can't compare it to anything.
There was France in the second world war, and then there were a lot of other countries being conquered, but only France f'ed it up SO bad and had the ability to actually do something, should have done something, was actually obligated to do something, but failed miserably at everything.
Waste of Cyanide.