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Australian Firm Asks SCO To Detail Evidence
An anonymous reader submits A Perth, Western Australian company called CyberKnights has told SCO ANZ's MD to detail its IP claims or face legal action for fraud. SCO has just released licenses for Australasia and claims enquiries by several companies already."
finally someone got their act together, lets hope others take heed.
sorry officer, left my sig in my other computer.
- These Australians are not the only ones asking... - Hey Australia, if you see any proof, let us know, we've been looking for it too. - Just one firm? I thought more would be questioning. - Are those enquiries actually from people intrested in buying, or just wanting the proof... - So they've finally run out of Americans to bother? - Time to short SCOX!
"We own Linux."
Isn't that about it?
I have been pwned because my
SCO: Australian for fraud.
Fun with Anagarams! LADS HOST, SHALT DOS. HAS DOLTS. AD SLOTHS, HATS SOLD. ASS HO, LTD.
Maybe this has been answered already, but does anyone know whether SCO's board or management can face criminal charges if all these allegations are proved unsubstantiated?
...to win the hearts and minds of Australian authorities. Linus poses in a speedo in .au, and his popularity there surges! Governments rush to his defence, fighting off evil SCO lawyers for Linus! If Darl wants to get support, he'll have to do the same ; strip and get dunked.
"Backups are for wimps. Real men upload their data to an FTP site and have everyone else mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds
why is SCO's stock still at 15? even after red hat joined the user protection game..
IANAK (Kangaroo), but I've talked to Aussies, and they say the ACCC can really sink its teeth into companies that stir it up.
I think SCO is misunderestimating the tolerance for stupid circus antics from big business overseas. It seems like we'll pander to them for awhile and play along with their stupid games, then frequently let them scurry away, but other countries' governments and court systems aren't so forgiving. Push them, they'll push back. Fortunately, it looks like SCO is the little dorky kid and now he's trying to shove the bullies that are twice as big.
Alito: A vote for Alito is a punch in the eye to put that bitch back in her place!
Wow way to repost the same damn thing.
TODO: Something witty here...
And I quote "received a dozen queries since Australian pricing for the licences was announced this morning"
Sure something like
"You do know where you can shove that license - don't you?" (Said with australian accent of course)
Bring it on... Oh, OK, it's three words but our president can't count either. But seriously, I run Linux (and Mac OS) and I welcome letting them take me on. I am pissed about this FUD that SCO is spreading sans any proof and I want an outlet to vent. I see all of these slime balls getting rich on other peoples efforts and I want blood in anyway I can get it. It is about time those who have worked to make the computing areana adhere to a more level playing field that embraces open standards to stand up an fight back. I am not talking about DOS attacks, I am talking about fighting back using the media and the courts the way those who seek to control us use daily.
Who are you? The new #2 Who is #1? You are #617565. I am not a number, I am a free man! Muhahaha.
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The Nasdaq is shut. Besides, Litigation is SCOs primary business model, like this;
1) Threaten Your Customers
2) Fight Lawsuit
3) ????
4) Profit!!!!
obvious, see?
An infinite number of monkeys will eventually come up with the complete works of
*wild-eyed gentleman in khakis and funny hat creeps through the underbrush*
*whispering* Now, we're about to see the rare American FUD-monkey! It seldom shows its face down under, but it's very dangerous when unprovoked and somehow convinced that it owns, well...everything.
*DARL hops out from behind a bush* Crikey! That'll take your arm clean off!! *he shoots a tranquilizer dart at the DARL*
*high pitched shrieking ensues. the call of the DARL sounds remarkably like the words "pump-and-dump" repeated over and over*
"Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of Unix"- Kieren O'Shaughnessy
...shit hitting the fan sound like? Oh wait, nevermind.
FLR
why the repost? low karma day?
Regards,
Steve
If you buy SCOX and short it you can then sue Darl McBride for driving the price of your shares down. There was acase about a month ago where the investors shorted their shares, made loads of cash and then sued the board for causing the stock price to drop. Only in America.
An infinite number of monkeys will eventually come up with the complete works of
This is a great thing, but yet again, the lessor if two evils. Slashdotters have not said nice things about Australia's ACCC, but they DO have teeth, and put up with no shit. SCO has just taken on a very dangerous shark that will eat them and spit out the bones.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
What do the slander/false claims laws work like in Australia? Are we about to see one more country crossed off the list of places SCO can go around claiming people owe them money for other people's work?
So that's what now, Germany and tentatively Australia? Well, maybe not a long list, but at least it's two countries longer than the list of countries in which SCO has successfully prosecuted a UNIX IP case...
Irritable, left-wing and possibly humorous bumper stickers and t-shirts
Is anyone keeping a tally of how much moolah SCO has invested in the court system right now? Just to think, all of that MS money is going to feed hungry lawyers, all over the world! Darl should be proud. Also, it will be interesting to see how many simultaneous lawsuits it takes to kill the SCO Legal Team (also known as SCO). There's one from Austrailia, one in the UK(?), all the stuff between SCO and IBM, SCO v. Red Hat, SCO vs. Everyone Who Wishes to Smite SCO, et cetera...
"(1) Where a person, by means of circulars, advertisements or otherwise, threatens a person with an action or proceeding in respect of an infringement of copyright, then, whether the person making the threats is or is not the owner of the copyright or an exclusive licensee, a person aggrieved may bring an action against the first-mentioned person and may obtain a declaration to the effect that the threats are unjustifiable, and an injunction against the continuance of the threats, and may recover such damages (if any) as he or she has sustained, unless the first-mentioned person satisfies the court that the acts in respect of which the action or proceeding was threatened constituted, or, if done, would constitute, an infringement of copyright."
I wonder whether SCO has fallen foul of it...
And especially now at election time such political issues crop up as whether the Republican laissez faire approach to business or the Democrat central control approach to business is more desirable.
Yeah, I know everyone's more interested in Dean making an ass out of himself in that speech after the Iowa caucus, but the longterm health of the American economy is much more fundamentally important than some passing gasbag.
The story is about Australia, but since Oz is perhaps the most culturally similar country to America (barring Canada, of course) it makes sense to really consider what kinds of steps are necessary to prevent fraud in business. Should the approach that Americans are taking now which is primarily a Republican-style approach of letting private companies duke it out in court and leaving the arbitration to judges the right way to go? Or is the Australian method, similar to the approach approved by Democrats, of forcing the company's books open by law the right thing?
I'm torn. Both approaches are relatively unsatisfactory and have repercussions which may be unintended. Pesonally I lean towards the Republican position of leaving private entities to fight amongst themselves with as little governmental intervention as possible.
I have been pwned because my
You'd think these guys would be saving there money for IBMs big guns. Go figure...
A dozen enquiries, the article says. I'd like to know who's asking about this IP "licensing" plan, since I'm thinking of selling the Sydney Harbour Bridge, which I inherited via my uncle, and was looking for someone in Australia to buy it.
I would be interested to know exactly how many companies SCO has managed to talk into buying licenses without offering proof of their claims.
Red Hat is for people who hate Windows, FreeBSD is for people who love Unix.
www.putertech.net
Oh come on. Slashdot readers playing the stock market? Unless most of the people here are management, we are just getting by with house payments. I will not go on with this line because it leans into Offtopic mode.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
maybe a dingo ate your code?
to watch someone "bell the cat"
From the CyberKnights page:
"...we are currently exploring workable methods for becoming big while remaining small...
Well, you could always dredge up some code you wrote years ago, grep through an OSS source tree until you find a partial match and then issue ridiculous demands for outrageously expensive licenses...
SCO is fraud
Any AC can see that
Cyber Knights save day
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Australia has a more conservative legal system than the US. Here, the ACCC can hit SCO pretty hard if they do not substantiate their claims. It is even possible that they could bring the SCO directors up on criminal charges. The only problem is that it takes a small company with big balls like CyberKnights to champion the claim before the ACCC will get involved.
This is one of the things that is wrong with American business: The sole (soul?) and primary duty and goal of and corporate board of a publicly traded company, is to increase the value of that company's stock. Many people do not realize this.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Not that I'm feeling sorry for McBride et al. I just can't imagine how bad this will get for SCO if during the course of legal manuvering this turns into a criminal case and they're convicted by two sovereign nations of this farce of a white collar crime. What are they going to do? take turns and alternate between sitting in US and ANZ jails? Seriously, folks, who gets to decide which punishment will be administered by who and where?
Stay sentient. Don't drink bad milk.
I visited the CyberKnights web page which was yellow on black. I'm in a brighly lit room with a bright LCD screen -- now I have to wait for my corneas to grow back.
A couple of times during this whole SCO imbroglio I've heard people quite authoritatively say that even if you've got no case, shit for evidence etc you've still got a 1 in 10 (or 1 in 20) chance of coming away a winner in court.
First off... does anyone know where this stat comes from? Second... and perhaps more relevant to this article - Is that just an effect of a somewhat broken legal system in the US or is that a global stat? Do they have the same odds in Aus? Up here in Canada? Europe? Just curious really.
One silver lining to this who SCO thing is that I've been able to use the word "imbroglio" at least a couple of times a month. Thanks Daryl!
Caller: "You know that Linux licence you're peddling?"
SCO: "The one where you pay us loads, and carry on as usual?"
Caller: "We have a better idea."
SCO: "Yes..."
Caller: "We give you the finger, and you go back to Utah."
A Kiwi.
Well, that leads us then to the issue of my fees. You see, you now owe me USD$666 for the use of the words "Anonymous Coward", which I own the copyrights to.
Don't ask for proof of my copyrights, because you obviously don't need proof. After all, $666 isn't that much, is it?
As Americans sit and watch other countries do what we should have done 4 months ago, I can only shake my head in dismay at all the money we throw at lawyers to settle something that any moron could figure out.
This isn't Roe v. Wade, it's a simple verification of the code, no ethical delimas to deal with here.
The connection between SCO and a Kiwi:
:v)
They can both shove their bills up their arse.
Vik
I work for a telco in NZ; one of our partners received an email yesterday from SCO as a heads-up. I'm actively trying to contact our finance and legal departments to make sure we don't pay any invoices. We will be a target: there are only three big telcos here, they'll be sure to hit all of us.
-- Your mother uses Emacs.
This quote in the article from Leon Brooks, director of CyberKnights, jumped out at me:
"Basically, we're asking SCO to put up or shut up..."
Sounds to me like someone who reads Slashdot/Groklaw/some other community site. Also the following quote:
"As a director of CyberKnights, I personally know and trust several contributors to the Linux kernel, including the original author, Linus Torvalds. As of three days ago, Linus told me that he knows of no substantial code in his Linux kernel source code tree which could possibly be subject to ownership claims by The SCO Group."
These give me an image of someone that is heavily involved in the community and has simply had enough of this crap. Cheers to someone in my home city that is taking some action, I hope that you get the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) sunk right into SCO.
I'd like to say a big thank you to Sam Varghese of the Sydney Morning Herald who wrote this story. He's covered a lot (if not all) of the SCO story and he's given voice to the anti-SCO FUD side, such as Brooks and Groklaw. Sam is Definitely one of the good guys, thanks for all of your help mate.
Someone should tell the morons at SCO that there actually are absolutely no conjugal visits allowed there--it's just a myth. Except for those by your fellow inmates (as the name implies).
True story.
Linus just happens to go on vacation in Australia and shortly there after a major lawsuit against SCO occurs. Coincidence?
The FSF and the kernal hackers could have a feeled day with SCO right now. This along, with the aborted attempt to sell binary-run time licences that restrict, rights in a similar fashion, may be exactly the mistakes the GNU/Linux copywrite owners have been waiting for. For all of SCO's claims that the GPL is auntie copywrite and unconstitutional, the licence itself is found to be unenfoeable.
... As the SCO *Nix saga continues. Will IBM sleep with Novell? What will the wicked stepmother Microsoft think? Will Linus ever find love despite his arranged marriage to Kernella? Does SCO have the power to usurp all of the twon of Port *Nix? The answers to all this and more on tomorrow's "The Frivolous and the Greedy"
Brought to you by a cheap, self-loving plug...
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Mr. McBride? Is that you, here on slashdot?
I thought what I wrote earlier about sco and the gpl was germane to the current discussion. Lots of moderators agreeded...it's my post, what's the problem? It's not like I stole it from somebody else or something.
He's trying to be like the slashdot editors.
Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
I'm sure anyone who would invest in these companies would realize it =). Frankly, I think publicly-traded companies and the business practices that come with them are terrible. They basically do everything to save money and upset their customers as long as they'll still have some customers left (and once they're out of customers, they'll just sue people, ala SCO). Of course, the only real solution I see involves communism (which doesn't appear to work out very well in Reality...)
What other options are there? Or is civilization bound to collapse? =)
True story.
I'll bet SCO has had some inquiries. But more along the lines of: "Where in the fsck do you get off?"
--
$tar -xvf
Where should I send the check?
Short SCO? Do you have any stock in this shit?
I've read so many comments about shorting stock from people who obviously havn't a clue what it means that its not funny.
FYI shorting means to sell stock that you DON'T OWN then borrow it to make delivery and buy it back later to return to the lender (hopefully at a lower price). Stock can also be shorted by the purchase of a put option giving the entitlment (but not obligation) to sell the stock in question at a future date at a price agreed today (you exercise the option only if the actual price on the exercise date is low enough to allow you to simultaneously buy the stock in the market to cover the delivery.
while sco {
wget -O
}
I have the giggest stick but no one can see it. I wonder why? Another weapon of mess information.
I don't - I work for Vodafone. :) But in this fight at least, I think Vodafone, Telecom, TelstraClear and the other smaller companies really need to stick together.
-- Your mother uses Emacs.
As to whether SCO's claims are fraudulent or not.... That's about it! Not much to be proud of, SCO.
I propose a new element to /.
/. karma.
A link with the story (where appropriate) for all us sympathisers to make some modest (or not-so-modest) paypal donation towards the fighting fund of minors or grannies being hounded by the RIAA or any brave and principled entity such as CyberKnights in exchange for
Then those who REALLY mean what they say get to speak with a louder voice.
while sco {
wget -O
}
Really though, SCO & it's Australian sub-parts might do well to tread lightly. Rightly or not, I bet the Australian authorities would love to make an example of an American corporation, especially one headed by a bunch of pompous lying weasels.
Stripping down and wearing a set of man-panties might help soften the corporate image. But what do I know about business? I work for somebody else.
Why do I have this? I don't smoke.
The problem with this strategy is that if you *do* pay them, you legitimise their claim. That sort of thing is exactly what they want. It gives them ammunition to fire at IBM and others.
It's in your best interests *not* to pay: if they do eventually manage to prove that they own Linux, you're no worse off then than you are now. If they don't (which is almost certainly the outcome), then you've saved yourself the money.
-- Your mother uses Emacs.
RS
Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
Well, what do you know? Chivalry is not dead after all!
Eh? I always thought the name was a joining of the name "Simon" and the word "moniker" (meaning "nickname").
Therefore, the "si" would be pronounced like the "si" in, well, "Simon".
If simoniker is Italian, well, that's a different kettle of fish.
With all the publicity this company will get, which will then probably turn into more business for them, one has to wonder why more small companies don't go after SCO. In effect do the same thing SCO has; fill the press with your name.
sig: [insert something clever here]
You work for Vodafone and you've got an @xtra address? And you wonder why we jump to conclusions :)
Leon runs Cyberknights and is a major figure in Australian Open Source circles.
Basically, people listen to what Leon has to say here... in fact we pretty much hang on every word. He's also a very formidable geek.
SCO won't last long in Australia - the ACCC will be being hounded as we speak, and will have to act soon. Its pretty cut and dry when referencing Australian copyright law, and Id expect the ACCC to pounce on SCO within weeks.
Looks like people at SCO needed 6 month to figure out that the Australian legal system allows for lawyers craps similar to ones in the US: big lawyer teams, big chances to win, regardless of the weirdness of the argument.
Now, will SCO try to transport its FUD into country where judges carry investigations by themselves, as it is the case in (most) european countries and are not pending of lawyer input?
Yah, I just changed the settings to my work address. As soon as they get Woosh working properly at Glenfield (it's not exactly the sticks, guys, come on!) I can ditch Jetstream. :)
-- Your mother uses Emacs.
This is a slightly modified cut-and-paste from this comment which, coincidentally enough, has already a "troll" mod.
IOW, parent is in NO way "insightful".
Please retromod accordingly.
You need no longer burn in Hell. Telecom would probably buy the licenses anyway :(
A dingo's got my Baby! ....
... i mean source code!! ...
.. can you see the pattern
*Crikey* That croc was no where near my Baby!
Mean while at SCO HQ : That finish penguin has got my Baby
mm
Australians aren't as "sue happy" as Americans. I've heard of people suing - and winning - with the most frivolous claims over in the states (warning: coffee is hot). Such cases would be laughed out of court over here.
If SCO started lawsuits in Australia based on their unsubstantiated claims and yet to be revealed evidence, Aussie judges would dismiss them and tell them to come back with a clue.
I ran a benchmark on my quantum computer, now I can't find it anywhere!
And what about... Naomi?
The only reason we have the rights we have is that people just like us died to gain those rights. -- Cheerio Boy
Can't tell you where to send it, but I'm sure you can figure out where to shove it.....
Given their actions with Novel, I expect that SCO will sue the entity in question for exthortion. It makes them look less guilty to various news organizations.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
It's a mystery how this "Professor" title got prepended to Fels' name. For all that he did a remarkable job while in charge of the ACCC, the "Professor" title is totally bogus - he can no more call himself "Professor" than an unqualified person can call their self "Doctor".
Not to mention that you may not be able to get a refund after SCO goes bankrupt.
1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d t0 g37 l41d
SCO irritates me with their disgusting "business". The CEO deserves it to have a mob turning him upside down and stick his head in a bucket of cow-poop.
Oh SWEET!
Does this mean that, when Darl and co. are found guilty of being lying bastards, that someone gets to kick him in the ass with a boot?
Now thats something i'd pay $699 for!
- Why on earth would I buy a license for Linux when all you've offered me is unsubstantiated claims?
- What part of the legal terms fraud and barratry do your lawyers not understand?
- What makes you so sure you're going to get away with this?
- Exactly what kind of a game do you think you're playing, mister?
- Last week you were trying to sell me some bridge. This week you want to sell me a license for Linux. Is there no end to this madness?
- What! No Lube?
- Et Tu, Brute?
And, of course, the ever popular:Visit CryptoGnome in his home.
Can you make haiku
That rhymes with each sentence, too?
Not so easy to.
http://pcblues.com - Digits and Wood
This headline indicates that lie detecting glasses are already on the market!
--"It's Bradford Company, slash your last name, dot your first name"
I am not a stock advisor or anything, but it should probably be noted that shorting can be risky. The loss potential is infinite (because stock can go up forever) as opposed to buying long, where stock can only go from the purchase price down to 0.
"Are you insane?" counts as an "inquiry" to them, I think.
Hmmm... what about a small company with, say, indemnification backing from a heavy hitter like IBM, Novell, etc?
The size of their cahones wouldn't be such an issue with someone like the Big Blue Machine in their corner.
Think it would work?
G'Day Cellmate!
Sell, Sell, Sell!
Private companies can prosicute for fraud now? Is this new?
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
This is what we've been waiting for - SCO to show its ugly face down under. So what do we do now? RING THE ACCC. I just did - the phone is answered immediately by a polite and helpful staff member, who will listen patiently as your explain the situation and detail your grievance and why you may be at risk. Get enough of these complaints and they'll start an investigation. The guy I spoke to even mentioned they were looking at a "pattern" for this matter.
This is our war cry guys. Just pick up the phone. The ACCC wants to act - they're straining at the leash - but they need to show some community support for their actions before they can rip SCO's throat out!
So ring, ring now!!!!
http://www.accc.gov.au/
1300 302 502
Do it! Do it now!
You beat me to it. I don't like missing out on the obligatory simpsons reference ;)
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
What other options are there? Or is civilization bound to collapse? =)
Judging from past history yes.
Several times and loudly.
Several more times and with the merest whimper.
Don't just take my word for it, ask the Mayans.
... For the benefit of the historically challenged...Yes folks, the Mayan Civilization collapsed catastrophically many many years ago and they're all dead now. (unfounded rumors suggest that it was rampant capitalism and an overpopulation of lawyers)
Visit CryptoGnome in his home.
...cuz right now some poor server admin down under has probably just roasted his eyeballs out after looking directly into the plasma ball that used to be a webserver.
Are there any US companies that are (or contemplating) filing suit against SCO for fraud?
It seems like a reasonable legal risk for any plaintiff (or co-plaintiffs) with a large Linux installation. (SCO is not the UNIX copyright-holder of record; SCO's so-called "evidence" has all been easily discredited so far, etc.)
And what about criminal fraud charges? Are there any states that are contemplating this? Is there any chance of federal fraud charges?
Time for Crocodile Dundee to go to court and kill the biggest scaly bastard of them all!
I think I speak for all Australian SCO haters when I suggest that McBride shouldn't be locked up in one of our 3-star resort minimum security white-colar gaols but he should be locked up in one of those overcrowded, underfunded stinkholes that they have in the US.
Better yet, we do imprison him here, however we lock him up in one of our little "detention centers" in the middle of the desert that the UN keeps complaining about... use those things to lock up someone who actually deserves it for once.... that or extradite him to Russia!
When Argumentum ad Hominem falls short, try Argumentum ad Matrem
The server's link is being pounded into the sand by the traffic already, and we've not peaked yet. And there are other sites hosted there. )-:
Please lay off that link for a few days!
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
I can tell you're new here because new people don't know their trollology.
That post was one of those so-called "trolls."
(Note that I used correct puncuation)
True story.
Actually I consider this not the fault of the lawyers, but of the legal system. If I were the judge in this case, I would have given SCO until I finished my lunch to produce evidence or I would had dismissed the case with prejudice.
Okay, okay, maybe not that quick, but not months either. IBM might get months--they are the respondent to the claims--but if the petitioner doesn't know what he is petitioning the court for the minute he walks in, he's not going to receive my sympathy. If they "know" there is infringement, they should "know" where what they consider infringement occurs. They should be able to pull this "they're infringing but I don't know how or where yet, may I have a look at all of their code please?" bullcrap.
The lawyers are doing their job. Unfortunately because of convoluded and protracted legal processes, they're increasingly necessary for even what seems to be the simplest action.
I think it would only take a handful of authoratative judges to turn things around. Same thing on the other side of the legal spectrum, with Michael Jackson's case. He wants to waltz in 20 minutes late because he was standing on his taxi waving to his fans? Great. He can spend the next 20 minutes bitching as he writes out a check to pay a fine for contempt.
Academic Staff Profile - Allan Fels
Professor Fels was appointed as Professor of Administration at Monash University in 1984 and was the Director of the Graduate School of Management, Monash University from 1985 until 1990 and is now an Honorary Professor in the Faculty of Business and Economics at Monash University.
Professor Fels has degrees in economics and law from the University of Western Australia, and a Ph.D in Economics from Duke University. After leaving Duke he was appointed as a Research Fellow in the Department of Applied Economics, University of Cambridge, where his Duke Ph.D thesis was published as The British Prices and Incomes Board by Cambridge University Press.
What gave you the impression that he made it up, and then convinced everybody in the media and the government ? Academic fraud like that at his level, and in his (former) role, would be career suicide for him, and extremely very embarresing for the government.
The Internet's nature is peer to peer - 20050301_cs_profs.pdf
Jack Messman from Novell wrote to Darl McBride on May 28, 2003:
"We believe it unlikely that SCO can demonstrate that it has any ownership interest whatsoever in those copyrights. Apparently, you share this view, since over the last few months you have repeatedly asked Novell to transfer the copyrights to SCO, requests that Novell has rejected. Finally, we find it telling that SCO failed to assert a claim for copyright or patent infringement against IBM."
Oh that must of hurt! The fact that SCO attempted to get Novell to transfer the copyrights is proof enough that the copyright ownership is in question even in the mind of SCO.
When this is all over McBride will only be able to get job acting as the villian in a melodrama since it is truly the only talent he has shown to date.
Parent is correct, but does not explain it well for the uninitiated. A better way to learn about shorting stocks can be found Here. Have fun, dont risk your house.
If you pull the tail real hard the head comes out.
If you start shaking SCO tail for fraud Bill Gates head will pop out.
what you gotta do is kick someones ass the first day or youll end up someones bitch
Complaint form here
I use to work in a pub, and the only people who drink fosters are the American tourists* who walk around in slouch hats saying things like "Ge-Day Mate" and "Lets throw another shrimp on the bar-be"
* British tourists tended to prefer the cheapest beer, whilst European tourists preferred the Imported beers.
it is only after a long journey that you know the strength of the horse.
Yeah, I'm sick of the MickeyDs coffee example too. Can you tell? Sorry, best joke I could come up with on short notice.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
Ben
"claims enquiries by several companies already"
SCO must claim "tell us how we infringe or we'll sue your pants off" as an inquiry.
If I apply your logic, the share price of a stock is more likely to go to infinity if it is shorted than if it were purchased long.
Which stocks have reached an infinite price? When you factor in those stocks trading for infinity with the rest of the market, you'll get the probability of infinite loss potential. Right now, I know of no stock selling for infinity (not even Microsoft), so I'm guessing that the potential for infinite loss is less than infinitesimal - zero, if you like.
I only wish I could be there the moment that the execs at SCO, at some board meeting sometime, all come to the general concensus that they're screwed and crap their pants all at the same time. I wouldn't want to be there to smell it, but a picture-taking session would be in order.
Don't pick on the wrong guy.
Thought it was either me and my picky taste or Australian beer tasted like shite.
I'm glad to hear not all the beer tastes like that, you guys down under should sue those bastards for damaging the Australian beer instustries image, much like SCO is to Novell (see I did manage to stay on topic ;)
And man am I trashed right now. Only good American beer I'll vouch for here is MGD. Don't bother whis that otehr shite. I'm totally trashed on it right now. Ok I'm going to stop before this gets even worse and I start sluring more words
C Pungent
What he means is, the downside risk is higher when you short a stock.
If you have $1000, and buy $1000 worth of microsoft hoping it goes up, the worst that can happen is you lose everything when you go on vacation and come back to find the stock went to zero. But on the upside, you can gain any amount. It can double, or triple. If it triples you make $2000.
Somebody else with $1000 in their account and shorting $1000 worth of MSFT at the same time will see the opposite situation: the most they could possibly gain is another $1000 dollars if the stock goes to zero and they cover the $1000 short with $0.00 of shares. But they can lose any amount. If Microsoft triples, they have to buy $3000 of stock (meaning they have to come up with $2000 from outside the account, in this scenario).
Of course there are other considerations like margin calls and comissions, but generally shorting is more risky, as is buying on margin.
SCO may indeed be in trouble, but notice that their carefully worded claims say that Linux contains their intellectual property, which you need a license for. They do not claim that their copyrights have been violated. In fact, since intellectual property doesn't have any legal meaning, they aren't claiming anything at all.
Don't moderate flamebait as Troll. Know the difference or you will be Meta-moderated.
I remembered hearing Fels wasn't entitled to use the title "Professor" on the media, and Google turned up http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s8367 77.htm which, although inconclusive, implies that he *is* a Professor and is entitled to use the honorific. The confusion seems to have come about due to some out-of-date documentation supplied by a university in error.
D =514&SortType=6 seems to confirm it.
This: http://www-pso.adm.monash.edu.au/news/Story.asp?I
Apologies for listening to the media and believing what I hear. Anyone want to buy these SCO shares; I believe the price is headed for the moon!
...it probably represents a saving in blue and green ink. (-:
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...we have a thinner placeholder page up on an alternate link for the next few days. One that doesn't inconvenience so many people if it gets smashed flat. Give it a few hours for DNSes to expire and refresh (or flush your DNS if you control it), and the show will go on.
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For some reason, many people here in the US think that the best way to make money is through lawsuits. I'm not hating on our whole country either; most Americans would rather get a job and make their money. It's just that there's a prevailing opionion that being given free money for something that may not have happened at all is a good and honest way to make a living.
Gee, if only I'd thought of planting a condom in my Clam Chowder! (...Or a Rehnquist in my Lobster Newburg!)
then sooner or later it won't be an insult, it'll be a fact. GIGO, y'know.
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Good news for United Airlines and Qantas Airways.
End of Line.
Cerveza Caguama, now that's the stuff. Fucking impossible to find, though.
Three cacheable images per typical page, minimal scripting, no worries. But the link was totally trashed, which was sad for the other people using it. I've put a box up on a home DSL line and pointed the DNS at it for a few days.
It's still gold-on-black because I got sick of black-on-white. (-:
Actually, if you look closely, the original background is not exactly black. It's a very dark image of Tux overlaid on a CPU core.
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SCO ANZ didn't make this particular standover play until the 19th, at which point I was on a Qantas 737-400 over the Nullarbor somewhere, out of contact with Linus and next port of call at least 2000km from Adelaide.
But yes, Linus did say that on the previous Friday, and not just to me, to a bunch of people standing outside Elder Hall discussing the OCG miniconf's outcome. No press release, Linus is like that.
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...that I know of, and I'd be helpless if it did because I'm pretty busy already.
I did get a couple of new enquiries from potential recruits, which is far more valuable to me. Linux is blossoming in Oz (at last!) and I have more work than people to do it. If I can get more people onto the coalface, I'll have time for stuff like this posting, family time, writing software I want to write rather than stuff I need to write to solve an immediate problem. And I'll be able to provide service to more of the Perth IT community, which badly needs it.
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That's just because I'm loud and insistent, not because I'm smart or industrious. (-:
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It's not easy to ;)
Jaysyn
There is a war going on for your mind.
Each slashdotuser should take the resolution to fill a lawsuit against SCO and convince two other people to do the same. The reason can be anything. I don't know in the US but here in Canada, Quebec there is different level of courts and for claims under 3000$ you can sue without a lawyer. Its like a DOS but with law suits ;)
Yahh, hiii haaaaa! -Major Kong, from Dr. Strangelove
the SCO license is a 419 scam.
The method of selling it is just a bit smarter.
They're trying it on in NZ, too.
The NZOSS has put together this summary of the issues and is requesting a copy of the license, but not telegraphing its plans so blatantly (ya gotta love Kiwis).
Check out http://WWW.SCO.CO.NZ for a larf.
It's kind of like playing the lottery over & over again. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut.
My bet is that they finally get accepted in Nigeria.
All I can say is, when will one of you employed geeks with tallent make the rest of us a 'parody' film detailing the destruction of SCO, Matrix-style?
"The source..."
"It drives us,"
"It binds us,"
etc. etc. *boom* You get the point. Please?
~/ssh slashdot.org ssh: connect to host slashdot.org port 22: too many beers
Seems like AI(ntelligence)DS is not that contagious anyways!!
:-) I guess )
(Is there someone who can go ahead sue religions
for fraud too ? That will be the end of Communist-phobia
After all AI(ntelligence)DS is not that contagious
anyways!.
( Is there someone who can go ahead sue religions
for fraud ? That will be the end of the socialism-phobia I guess )
I wouldn't be surprised if slashdot was buggering up most of our international links. Telstra are a bit cheap when it comes to quality high speed connections, you see.
I am government man, come from the government. The government has sent me. -- G.I.R.
I think this would be the natural reaction when you get a letter like that: why didn't more companies respond this way?
I was going to reply with "what an excellent definition".
Then I thought of my favourite defense for democracy, "in any group of people large enough, the average of guesses about a value tends to be close to truth". That I took from economy, because for some unfortunate reason I tend to get into talks about economy versus democracy (power to the people or to the money, that is) every now and then. I think it is originally used to prove that a share value would get to a reasonable realistic level.
Now I'm confused.
BTW, SCO has bullied us long enough and should be conquered^Wcorrected.
I think, therefore thoughts exist. Ego is just an impression.
Your statement is indeed true, but picture for a moment that you short 20,000 shares of SCOX at $15.75 per share. In the short run, you gain $315,000 (minus commissions and taxes).
Now, what happens if SCO wins the lawsuit?
More than likely the stock price will begin to climb. If the stock price climbs above 15.75 you're screwed.
If it skyrockets (very unlikely with a company like SCO, but possible), you're really screwed.
The shares you shorted were not your own and you now have to "Buy to Cover" your short. If you shorted at 15.75 and sco is now at 40 you're just a little more than screwed. You've now got a purchase price of $800,000, leaving you $485,000 in the hole.
During the tech bubble, there were a number of persons that shorted stock only to see it rocket from the teens to the hundreds in a day. What if that happens with sco? Lets put sco at $150.00 per. now you're out $2,685,000.00
Shorting can be extremely dangerous, which is why most reputable brokerage firms have very specific criteria that one must meet to be approved for shorting and option trading.
(and yes, I am a stockbroker.)
(nothing in this statement constitues an offer to sell or buy anything. What you do with this information is up to you.)
to buy a STFU mug for SCO.
JET Program: see Japan, meet intere
...but lends point to the old saying "never do anything that you wouldn't be caught dead doing". (-:
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SCO Australia Contact Information:
:D
Kieran O'Shaughnessy
kierano@sco.com
General Email - anz_info@sco.com
Tel: +61 2 9455 0500
Web: http://au.sco.com
Have Fun
I watch CNBC on a regular basis and let me tell you, I've never seen such a fickle group of people in my life. Their opinions of tech companies are very rarely based on sound technologies. They are based on press releases and analyst reports. Their most trusted analyst seems to be Gartner. When the hell has Gartner ever told us anything insightful??? But they treat Gartner as it has it's ear to the pulse of technology. Oh, and their second favorite is the Yankee group. Don't forget to mention how rarely they mention any of their parent companies when doing in depth reporting on them. CNBC is the epitome of capitalist piggery at it's worst. Yet, it's amazing how much affect their sheer ignorance and arrogance about knowledge of tech seems to affect the market. I've never seen anyone want to suck Intel's dick so badly in my life. *waits to be modded down for being OT*
Get the damn quote right will you?
"What you gotta do is kick somebodies ass on the first day, or become somones bitch."
Dude, dude, dude....
http://saveie6.com/
In this article SCO is already getting the finger from a couple of big New Zealand Linux users.
Massey University has deployed a 132 CPU Helix supercomputer running RedHat Linux 7.3 at its Albany campus in Auckland and would be expected to pay $NZ171,192.61 for the right to continue using its operating system. The director of parallel computing, Chris Messon, says that's not going to happen. "We have no plans to pay off SCO."
And Weta Digital...
Operations manager Milton Ngan says any move to pay the licence would be seen as capitulation and Weta isn't about to start down that road. "We won't make any moves till we see what the rest of the industry does. We're a small company a long way from SCO so we'll try to stay here out of sight."
I AM Not An USian but if I remember correctly only about 50% of people vote in the US, perhaps the 50% that do not vote is the cleverest one (since in any case there are no credible options to the two main parties).
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
:-)
/. lame filter, I did not want to write this sentence, all my wittiness has been irreparably damaged).
(fscking
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
If I was Darl, I'd be scared, really scared. Probably not what he wanted at this moment...
I'm in a Unix state of mind.
Guys, lets do our bit to bring this to an end, SCO have issued a challenge, it should not go unanswered.
You can try complaining to the Advertisement Standards Authority, specially if you have received one of the now infamous SCO emails.
Even if you have not I am sure they are your best bet to find out what to do about this.
To other people in Europe: don't be lazy, there are similar institutions in your country to which you can complain.
SCO is most probably doing false advertisment, untruthful or unproved ststements (most likely all of the above), if they insinuate they want money from you please, don't just let it pass knowing is all hot air, do something about it.
It is the guys that are actually being contacted that have the most power to do something about this...
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
What I find odd is the quotation attributed to Linus:
"he knows of no substantial code in his Linux kernel source code tree which could possibly be subject to ownership claims by The SCO Group."
He says "no substantial". I hope this is a mis-quotation because that sounds different than what I have heard others say.
Comments? Anyone know?
You must remember that on the world stage, America is very small. The biggest problem that Kiwi's have to deal with is the Australians.
The number one objective for any decent Kiwi, on meeting an Australian is to put them in their place - forget American politics, SCO, Microsoft, or any such minor problems.
However, should any other Tin-Pot country, such as America, were to attack Australia. Then, by mutual aggreement, Australia and New Zealand would reform the ANZAC brigades to see off the external threat - in fact, the remaining New Zealanders not already in Australia, would go to Australia to defend it.
Be warned. Rubbishing Australians is the sole perogative of the Kiwi's - if anyone else joins in, we reserve the right to jointly attack them!
As for the poster I'm replying to, he should applogise and refrain from attacking his betters. This means he is free, and encouraged, to pick on Bush, Blair, or any of their minions.
To return to topic: there is more truth in the above statements than seen in any of SCO's press releases...
This isn't Roe v. Wade, it's a simple verification of the code, no ethical delimas to deal with here.
That's what the law is all about. Verification of the claims made by SCO (including the code).
I don't think that anyone else should be able to make such a claim verification. Certainly not arbitrators paid by SCO, nor by some Microsoft-biased regulatory commission installed by the US president.
If you want to get mad at somebody, get mad at the US justice system. Scox, and scox conspirators (msft, sunw, royce, deutsch bank, canopy) have benefitted from this obvious scam for nearly a year.
The US justice system is a joke to them, and rightly so.
Scox dropped from $8 to $6 after novl made that statement. Scox forced novl to retract that statement the next day, and scox shot right back up.
It used to be SCO, refered to as Old SCO, and it's now SCO Group. Here my take on this: SCO (Old): Santa Cruz Operation -- the old SCO Group: Standard Criminal Organization -- the present SCO Group: Succesful Criminal Organizatio -- what they acheive to be "Don't worry, be happy."
It used to be SCO, refered to as Old SCO, and it's now SCO Group. But, what does SCO stand for?
SCO (Old): Santa Cruz Operation -- the old
SCO Group: Standard Criminal Organization -- the present
SCO Group: Successful Criminal Organization -- what they acheive to be
"Don't worry, be happy."
Probably one of the funniest comics I've seen about the SCO nastiness... and it manages to poke fun at Microsoft too!
OK, I admit that I'm not the greatest speller and don't always have the greatest grammar, but really...
From the article...
"...O'Shaughnessy said SCO's intellectual property had been unauthorisedly used in the Linux kernel...
unauthorisedly? Maybe this is an Australian colloquialism, but it certainly isn't in any of my dictionaries! The article was certainly interesting, but journalists need to stop making up words just to try to make them sound intelligent--it isn't working.
My mom always said, "Jim, you're 1 in a million." Given the current population, there are 7000 of me. God help us all!
Lets just stop using money, i mean it worked in star trek...people just do things because...um..their bored? yea that will make a great society!
...a southern-hemisphere smiley when you see one? (-:
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Its root, in American, is "unauthorized." In more classical British/Australian/Canadian English, the spelling is usually "unauthorised." And since SCO's claim is that IP was used in Linux "without authorisation," an appropriate word could be "unauthorisedly."
It's just a little creatively concise, not poor grammar.
It's about damn time!
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SCO is issuing threats to bill you for a good that:
a) They can't probe they own, neither can probe they have the right to charge you for it.
b) They did not sell to you.
this surely breaks trading laws, advertisment regulations or normal good faith exchange of goods and services.
Your place of residence surely has govrmental organization that check that nobody can issue threats that are not substantiated.
Contact your consumer right bureau, trading authoriy or anybody in a position to take a look at this, now that SCO has commited the great mistake of widening their nonsense to a global audience we can strike back and help bring this to an end.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Are you out of your tiny little minds?
Watch this Heartland Institute video
while I disagree with GWB's policies on almost everything, he is not solely responsible for the debt. Somewhere around $ 700G (10^9) is due to spending that GWB's administration has made; you may count as well most of the $ 1.8T tax cut he signed (some of that is already included). Given this, GWB could be responsible for up to about $2.3T (?) of the national debt, which would probably be at close to $8 T; that would make the cost of the debt run by GWB about $ 10K/person; if you use only the debt run up by GWB up to now, the cost is probably more like $2000/person. (of course, that's a lot higher than the one-time $300 tax cut we all got here)
So, while GWB hasn't been fiscally responsible, the nat'l debt here isn't all his fault. Reagan and Bush Sr. ran up about $4 T of the debt, and I think Clinton added at least $ 1 T; with a smaller amount from before Reagan and the amount that GWB has added, this constitutes the US debt ( > $ 6T).
Unfortunately GWB had cooperation in the Patriot Act; it was a bipartisan act, which means (as George Carlin has said) that some larger-than-usual fraud was being perpetrated - thus the removal of our civil rights was not because of GWB alone, but nearly all of Congress as well (Ashroft is his fault, however). While GWB has been dishonest about Iraq (and has cost us a lot of respect from other countries), I don't know that the war in Iraq is illegal.
I don't like GWB, but he isn't entirely responsible for the problems in the US. Blaming him for what he has done is enough.
That being said, I await the day that I get an invoice from them to submit to my attorney.
This sig no verb.
I say send the blackguards to Gitmo Bay. Then there'll be no need for any evidence.
Drill baby drill - on Mars
A bold statement...but lets see how well you do in italic.
ate my evidence
between the greater and lesser infinities sleep the dreams undreamt
The "Italic" I've never heard of that Intel processor! Was this a special for SCO, especially designed for their new Linux distribution???
what happens if SCO wins the lawsuit?
Then it's time to approach Satan about exclusive rights to snow gear for his denizens.
Asking what happens "if SCO wins" is like asking what's gonna happen "if Bill Gates suddenly converts MS to a Linux-only shop".
Zip...that one went right by you didn't it. I hate to explain this, but I feel my joke was a bit obtuse. The parent post was all in bold, ergo it was a bold statement. The reference to italic was to reinforce this pun.
Perhaps I was too subtle?
If you had looked carefully, I had reversed my use of Bold and Italic!
I had actually picked up on both the sense that I had used BOLD, and was making a BOLD statement. - I honestly don't recall if I had inferred that you had implied that by using a BOLD font in itself I was making a BOLD statement - but, I feel that I did.
I was tempted to pretend to react angrily that you were suggesting I was Italian...
-Nivag
(This is a forward-looking statement, so I might be lying to you). Educate enough sharetraders and the stock'll either nosedive or the fraudulent manipulation will become so obvious that the appropriate authorities will be embarrassed into shutting them down, with prejudice.
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"CNBClover"? (-:
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Exported? Not in the UK it isn't - it's apparently brewed in the EU, as is Budweisers etc.
If the dot cons showed us anything, it was that stocks can go up even though there is no rational reason. My worst nightmare would be that some afterhours announcement would be made that 'IBM might settle' or something equally outrageous. The stock could open at $200 the next day... bingo margin call! which is why I can't bring myself to short SCO... much as I'd like to.