OK, lets reply to both this and parent in one post: That's OK. I dont expect Windows XP to be a webserver. Just install Apache and use Apache as a webserver.
There's a license limit of how many connections you can have at any given time. This license limit is part of XP for any app. I extremely doubt any non-MS software checks whether or not their on XP Home or XP Pro and throttles the connections, but its there in the license. If Slashdotters can complain about people violating the GPL then what will they say about people violating this? Probably nothing. I don't agree with MS's decision either, but if you respect one license do you respect the other...
That limit was probably put in there as a defense against the RIAA's fanatical anti-Kazaa/Napster/%FILESHARING position
It was put in long before that, before Fanning ever thought of Napster, back when NT 4 just came out. It's a way to force people to use NT Server vs. NT Workstation. NT Server has no client limit, and you pay for that.
NetBSD has picked up some Sys V flavor in the past couple of years, but it's still, well, BSD. The other BSDs are definitely not Sys V, and free and clear of it with BSD 4.4 Lite based implementations.
Both Mach and BSD predate SysV. Mach doens't really directly compete with UNIX, it's a microkernel and is kind of underneath it. MacOS X is like that, having a BSD "Server" on top of Mach. It's not quite that, the BSD server runs in kernel space, and they talk a lot, but they are seperate entities.
BSD is even cleaner. One of the reasons Linux got big and BSD didn't was at the time, BSD was stuck in the lawsuit with USL. USL claimed BSD infringed on code (nevermind that Berkely wrote a lot of that code) that USL owned the rights to. Said you can't give it away, you'd be infringing on our copyrights. Instead of fighting it, they looked at UNIX code and found that they were infringing as well, told them to change all the code, and take out full page ads in a bunch of papers. Then Novell bought USL, saw it for the pissing match it was and dropped the case. BSD and all derived systems can not be sued for infringement.
As far as the kernel goes, the BSD vs. SVR4 decision oftentimes came down to which Linus felt like implementing. Userland is a crapshoot, with common gnu tools, but initialization more BSDish or SVR4ish depending on distro.
I think UnixWare is SVR5, it's at least SVr4.2, which means it's whatever SCO wants to call it sine they own the brand now. Stupid thing is, UnixWare 8 (OpenUnix I think they calklked 8.0) has a lot of Linux in it. Are they going to pull the Linux codebase from it?
Thanks for the memories, SCO. We'll miss you after your well-deserved demise...
I for one will be kind of sad. At one time they were a good company. They haven't innovated in years, and they decided to ride their cash cow until it died. Once it died, they decided to sue. More management than anything. WOuld be interesting to see a book from one of the engineers, see what they've seent he last 10 years or so there.
BSD predates SYS5 by quite some time. Back before UNIX was "productized" (I hate that term) they actually were pretty free with source licenses, and Berkely picked one up. They did a lot of good work, including adding insignificant things like virtual memory, which they actually picked up from Mach. There was the fork for a while, then eventually they joined again to make SVR4.
The stupid thing is, anyone who's every used a select() on Linux will know this is false. select() on Linux was written to the specs on the BSD man page. Unfortunately, no one else's was. If it used infringing code it would be "bug compatible" with other implementations. It's not. There may be some stuff that IBM put in, but this statement seems to imply that the basic core of all OSes are UNIX, specifically SYS5. Silly.
If they claim that the ideas in UNIX are what they're after, then they are right in that Linux is "infringing", but that's not a valid legal claim.
Good interview, I like the quote: We're the source of AIX, HP UX, Solaris, Linux, Mac OSX.
I'm not sure how much of NeXT was from SVR4, but the Mach end has nothing to do with SVR4, and BSD fricken helped create UNIX and USL sued them for the troubles.
My fave is Venti(TM) from starbucks. Yes, Starbucks was able to trademark a NUMBER. Venti(TM) is 20 in Italian. Silly thing is, though the hot venti(TM) drinks are 20oz., the cold ones are 24oz.
Fundamentally, email and IM really aren't that different from one another. If you're not on-line, messages get stored on a server.
Depends on the protocol. This is true for ICQ and Yahoo, not true for MSN or AIM. Obviously, IM is whatever you make it, but current implementations vary.
Uhh, you can run a linux box perfectly well without apache or x11 - it's sort of hard to do the same without gnu core/file/textutils etc.
RMS objects to the license on its own, doesn't say "I hate the BSD license in tools ported to Linux" It's kind of hard to run BSD without tools the BSD userland, which is BSD licensed. Or should BSD licensed tools be required to change their license once they get compiled for Linux?
scea has been fighting to keep the ps series as a game console only, but MS is forcing them to integrate the ps3 with dvd/music/internet technology...
More like the reverse. Sony always wanted to be a hub. MS saw that if this thing became a hub, the (relatively) cheap game console could become an alternative to a real PC, therefore an alternative to MS. Coudn't have that, came out with XBox.
RMS doesn't like the BSD license because of the "obnoxious" advertising clause - that having a bunch of BSD style licenses in the same source would bloat the code because every contributor would need their copyright. But he wants the GNU nametag attached to Linux when by the same logic that RMS wants there to be a GNU on Linux, other projects with a large amount of code should be able to add their name and get something like GNU/X11/IBM/Apache/Linux.
Just a thought, while waiting for the -1 Offtopic and -1 Flamebaits...
This is kind of scary. As an anonymous poster said, this is very bad given Microsoft's history of playing with file formats to disable backwards compatibility and force upgrades. Before you could coast on your old version - I had office 95 on my laptop forever, the only reason I went to office 97 was native mousewheel support (the scrollbar hacks never worked right for me in Office 95). I'd still be on office 95 if I could get scrollwheels and doc compatibility. So now MS has essentially put an expiration date in the software you purchased (ahem, purchased a license to). They can tell the reactivation servers to not accept this older version any time they want.
I think the big story is not the glitch, but that businesses really should look into the ramifications of now being forced to upgrade at Microsoft's behest, or risk losing their old data.
Sadly, not totally a joke to sue yourself in our legal system. There was that one guy that sued himself. He was a prisoner, and sued himself for causing himself to be locked up and violating his human rights. The angle? Since he was incarcerate, he was a ward of the state and the state should pay. Case was thrown out.
I always kind of liked the AMC Pacer with the wraparound greenhouse glass.
The Pacer was designed that way for the new whizzbang GM Rotary motor (Wankel, like the RX-7, or new RX-8). GM never released it, having a lot of the same problems that always have plagued Wankels - no low-end torque, some emission issues. So AMC had a whizzbang new-looking car for a new whizzbang motor that never came out.
True about X-Type and Mondeo being cousins. It's the only way you'll get a Mondeo in the US.
I think the Thunderbird is based off the LS-6 platform, not Mondeo. Thunderbird is RWD, so's the LS6/LS8. Ford cheated with the X-Type by making it 4WD. If not, it would have beed the first FWD Jaguar, and really would have upset the loyalists.
After all "Internet Explorer" shouldn't be allowed to be a trademark in Internet industry, the same argument as Windows being a trademark ?
"Internet Explorer" actually was trademarked, but by someone else. Bill Gates had to argue that "Internet Explorer" was too generic to be trademarked yet also arguing in a different case that Windows was strong enough to warrant a trademark. I'm sure they've since bought out the trademark. I'd love for someone to claim the name, then get sued, and then use Bill Gates' own testimony against them.
IANAL, but jokes aside, I'm sure MS has staked a strong claim on IE being a trademarkable name because of it's ubiquity. It wouldn't be open and shut, and if anyone wanted to try it, they'd have to have a lot of lawyers. Most opensource projects wouldn't have the cash, and most folks with the cash would lose more from angering Billy than they'd ever gain by spiting him.
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OK, lets reply to both this and parent in one post:
That's OK. I dont expect Windows XP to be a webserver. Just install Apache and use Apache as a webserver.
There's a license limit of how many connections you can have at any given time. This license limit is part of XP for any app. I extremely doubt any non-MS software checks whether or not their on XP Home or XP Pro and throttles the connections, but its there in the license. If Slashdotters can complain about people violating the GPL then what will they say about people violating this? Probably nothing. I don't agree with MS's decision either, but if you respect one license do you respect the other...
That limit was probably put in there as a defense against the RIAA's fanatical anti-Kazaa/Napster/%FILESHARING position
It was put in long before that, before Fanning ever thought of Napster, back when NT 4 just came out. It's a way to force people to use NT Server vs. NT Workstation. NT Server has no client limit, and you pay for that.
NetBSD has picked up some Sys V flavor in the past couple of years, but it's still, well, BSD. The other BSDs are definitely not Sys V, and free and clear of it with BSD 4.4 Lite based implementations.
So has FreeBSD, at least in startup scripts.
They can't go after anything BSD based. The great lawsuit settlement changed that.
Both Mach and BSD predate SysV. Mach doens't really directly compete with UNIX, it's a microkernel and is kind of underneath it. MacOS X is like that, having a BSD "Server" on top of Mach. It's not quite that, the BSD server runs in kernel space, and they talk a lot, but they are seperate entities.
BSD is even cleaner. One of the reasons Linux got big and BSD didn't was at the time, BSD was stuck in the lawsuit with USL. USL claimed BSD infringed on code (nevermind that Berkely wrote a lot of that code) that USL owned the rights to. Said you can't give it away, you'd be infringing on our copyrights. Instead of fighting it, they looked at UNIX code and found that they were infringing as well, told them to change all the code, and take out full page ads in a bunch of papers. Then Novell bought USL, saw it for the pissing match it was and dropped the case. BSD and all derived systems can not be sued for infringement.
As far as the kernel goes, the BSD vs. SVR4 decision oftentimes came down to which Linus felt like implementing. Userland is a crapshoot, with common gnu tools, but initialization more BSDish or SVR4ish depending on distro.
I think UnixWare is SVR5, it's at least SVr4.2, which means it's whatever SCO wants to call it sine they own the brand now. Stupid thing is, UnixWare 8 (OpenUnix I think they calklked 8.0) has a lot of Linux in it. Are they going to pull the Linux codebase from it?
I think BSDI got nailed on trademark infringement on 1800-ITSUNIX a while ago, why not SCO?
Thanks for the memories, SCO. We'll miss you after your well-deserved demise...
I for one will be kind of sad. At one time they were a good company. They haven't innovated in years, and they decided to ride their cash cow until it died. Once it died, they decided to sue. More management than anything. WOuld be interesting to see a book from one of the engineers, see what they've seent he last 10 years or so there.
Do you mean BSD, or FreeBSD/NetBSD?
BSD predates SYS5 by quite some time. Back before UNIX was "productized" (I hate that term) they actually were pretty free with source licenses, and Berkely picked one up. They did a lot of good work, including adding insignificant things like virtual memory, which they actually picked up from Mach. There was the fork for a while, then eventually they joined again to make SVR4.
Open whatever source you could. Some of the UNIX code is under licenses, most would probably prevent you from open-sourcing it.
I saw this too. I guess they forgot about OSF.
The stupid thing is, anyone who's every used a select() on Linux will know this is false. select() on Linux was written to the specs on the BSD man page. Unfortunately, no one else's was. If it used infringing code it would be "bug compatible" with other implementations. It's not. There may be some stuff that IBM put in, but this statement seems to imply that the basic core of all OSes are UNIX, specifically SYS5. Silly.
If they claim that the ideas in UNIX are what they're after, then they are right in that Linux is "infringing", but that's not a valid legal claim.
Good interview, I like the quote:
We're the source of AIX, HP UX, Solaris, Linux, Mac OSX.
I'm not sure how much of NeXT was from SVR4, but the Mach end has nothing to do with SVR4, and BSD fricken helped create UNIX and USL sued them for the troubles.
The last time I looked, Canada was still a sovereign nation. But that was over a week ago.
Will we go after Terrance and Phillip? Will their farting be classified as WMD?
My fave is Venti(TM) from starbucks. Yes, Starbucks was able to trademark a NUMBER. Venti(TM) is 20 in Italian. Silly thing is, though the hot venti(TM) drinks are 20oz., the cold ones are 24oz.
Fundamentally, email and IM really aren't that different from one another. If you're not on-line, messages get stored on a server.
Depends on the protocol. This is true for ICQ and Yahoo, not true for MSN or AIM. Obviously, IM is whatever you make it, but current implementations vary.
Uhh, you can run a linux box perfectly well without apache or x11 - it's sort of hard to do the same without gnu core/file/textutils etc.
RMS objects to the license on its own, doesn't say "I hate the BSD license in tools ported to Linux" It's kind of hard to run BSD without tools the BSD userland, which is BSD licensed. Or should BSD licensed tools be required to change their license once they get compiled for Linux?
scea has been fighting to keep the ps series as a game console only, but MS is forcing them to integrate the ps3 with dvd/music/internet technology...
More like the reverse. Sony always wanted to be a hub. MS saw that if this thing became a hub, the (relatively) cheap game console could become an alternative to a real PC, therefore an alternative to MS. Coudn't have that, came out with XBox.
RMS doesn't like the BSD license because of the "obnoxious" advertising clause - that having a bunch of BSD style licenses in the same source would bloat the code because every contributor would need their copyright. But he wants the GNU nametag attached to Linux when by the same logic that RMS wants there to be a GNU on Linux, other projects with a large amount of code should be able to add their name and get something like GNU/X11/IBM/Apache/Linux.
Just a thought, while waiting for the -1 Offtopic and -1 Flamebaits...
And, ironically enough, BSD (the original UCB BSD)
This is kind of scary. As an anonymous poster said, this is very bad given Microsoft's history of playing with file formats to disable backwards compatibility and force upgrades. Before you could coast on your old version - I had office 95 on my laptop forever, the only reason I went to office 97 was native mousewheel support (the scrollbar hacks never worked right for me in Office 95). I'd still be on office 95 if I could get scrollwheels and doc compatibility. So now MS has essentially put an expiration date in the software you purchased (ahem, purchased a license to). They can tell the reactivation servers to not accept this older version any time they want.
I think the big story is not the glitch, but that businesses really should look into the ramifications of now being forced to upgrade at Microsoft's behest, or risk losing their old data.
Sadly, not totally a joke to sue yourself in our legal system.
There was that one guy that sued himself. He was a prisoner, and sued himself for causing himself to be locked up and violating his human rights. The angle? Since he was incarcerate, he was a ward of the state and the state should pay. Case was thrown out.
Thomas Becket?
I always kind of liked the AMC Pacer with the wraparound greenhouse glass.
The Pacer was designed that way for the new whizzbang GM Rotary motor (Wankel, like the RX-7, or new RX-8). GM never released it, having a lot of the same problems that always have plagued Wankels - no low-end torque, some emission issues. So AMC had a whizzbang new-looking car for a new whizzbang motor that never came out.
True about X-Type and Mondeo being cousins. It's the only way you'll get a Mondeo in the US.
I think the Thunderbird is based off the LS-6 platform, not Mondeo. Thunderbird is RWD, so's the LS6/LS8. Ford cheated with the X-Type by making it 4WD. If not, it would have beed the first FWD Jaguar, and really would have upset the loyalists.
After all "Internet Explorer" shouldn't be allowed to be a trademark in Internet industry, the same argument as Windows being a trademark ?
"Internet Explorer" actually was trademarked, but by someone else. Bill Gates had to argue that "Internet Explorer" was too generic to be trademarked yet also arguing in a different case that Windows was strong enough to warrant a trademark. I'm sure they've since bought out the trademark. I'd love for someone to claim the name, then get sued, and then use Bill Gates' own testimony against them.
IANAL, but jokes aside, I'm sure MS has staked a strong claim on IE being a trademarkable name because of it's ubiquity. It wouldn't be open and shut, and if anyone wanted to try it, they'd have to have a lot of lawyers. Most opensource projects wouldn't have the cash, and most folks with the cash would lose more from angering Billy than they'd ever gain by spiting him.