Tucows attempts to provide a BSD portal.
BSD users send flames to Tucows regarding misinformation.
Tucows decided that it couldn't make the BSD crowds all happy, so it ditched it's BSD efforts.
This has nothing to do with Linux, but everything to people who do not know how to provide constructive criticism. Sending flaming emails to a person or company is not going to get you anywhere, and this incident is just proof of that.
One area that would help on emissions is solar power, which is currently VERY expensive. If someone could develop a solar cell that is 2x more effecient than the ones we have now, I would be much more likely to invest in providing my own electricity.
Some people around here probably don't remember Enlightment as I remember. Enlightment was the ONLY decent-looking window manager for Linux back when Gnome and KDE didn't exist. I remember looking at screenshots of E running.. Enlightement was probably THE reason I started using Linux.
It wasn't a perfect window manager (and nobody claimed it was since it's still labeled as devel) but it kicked ass back in the early Windows 95 days.. I was so happy when I compiled Enlightement and could take a break for the bleak FVWM.
Only in an ideal world. In our world, corporations can use monopoly powers to crush opponents, send high-priced lawyers to silence critics, bribe government officials to write advantageous laws, etc. None of this "pleases people" in the sense you indicate.
He said "Only by pleasing people can corporations earn money". I believe this is correct.
How are you going to sell a product that doesn't make consumers happy? Let us consider Rambus and their business model, ie force people into buying RDRAM. Do you think that we will be using RDRAM next year? I won't, because instead of trying to produce a product that people would naturally flock to, they tried to force RDRAM down our throats. They may yet win their legal battles, but if they lose they are screwed. In the end, if a company doesn't make people happy they will lose out. Monopolies are the exception to that, but our govt. already protects us from those.
Perhaps someone else knows the answer to this but:
When does a portscan (which usually is a fast connection to most open ports on a machine) become a DOS attack? Let's say I have DSL, and my victim, er, test subject has a dialup, and I portscan him (or look at his windows as some here would see it) is that not wrong? If portscanning is just looking, then why can 'just looking' congest a dial-up users's network connection (which they are paying for)?? I do realize that portscans last for only a few seconds but it is still using their resources without their permission.
It would be a different story if portscans were passive, but they are active and could be considered DOS attacks.
I think the reason support was such a nightmare was not due to varied Linux distributions, but due to the 3D support uner Linux at the time. Once X4 and the 2.4 kernel have matured a bit more, 3D support under Linux could be pretty nice.
We have already heard about Id's dissapointment with the sales of Q3 and the support issues.
One thing I found especially interesting was that he said "retailers don't want it". Not good news for the Linux shrink-wrap software movement."
You didn't know that? I knew this every time I went into Babbages in the mall, and noticed the Linux section of software consisting of about 3 titles.
Retailers don't want Quake 3 Linux unless it is going to sell. We have been knowing that Linux games do not sell well in stores (I'm not saying they sell like hotcakes on-line), and this isn't surprising (at least not to me.) I think most people who would buy for Linux realize that the selection is going to be MUCH better online, and disregard the idea of running to their local game shop to buy a linux version of game X. I bougth Heroes 3 without even considering that I could buy it local.
Retailers won't 'want' Linux games until Linux has a significant exclusive portion of the computer gaming market.
It is great, however, that Id is a supporter of Linux and believes in Linux enough to help 'kick-start' gaming.
What's with this need to have everything bigger and better? Do you really need to have a car that will
do 250 Kph? Does your dinner really need to be ready in 'just five minutes'?
How often do you think Americans eat fast food? I probably eat fast food once every 2 weeks. The fact is most adults do not like fast food (kids love it), but they do like the convenience. You're stereotype there is way off.
Who are you talking about referring to fast cars? Italy? Germany?
I think the problem here is you're watching some American TV and you believe it! Trust me, don't believe anything you see on TV.
I signed up for Process tree recently, and a question came to my mind:
How much does it cost to run your computer idle vs. pegged? I leave my 2 computers on always, and they are using some power, but the cpu's are idle. Has anyone ever researched this? I wonder if the amount of $$ it takes to keep my Duron 850 at 100% utilization for a month will be less than what companies like Process Tree will pay. I don't mind donating CPU cycles to charity (SETI) but I don't think I want to donate to a profit org.
I make $30,00 a year in the US, right?
I pay $39.99 for DSL. Still with me?
You make $30,000 a year in Canada.
You pay $39.99 for DSL.
It's the same thing!
We are both paying the SAME amount for our DSL service.
The only thing the $50 = $32 CDN tell us is that the American dollar is worth more than the Canadian dollar.
Perhaps if the cost of living in Canada was like %40 less than here in the US (which we know it is not) then you could say that you paying $39.99 is like paying $32 in our money, but it isn't.
If I breake my arm in Canada, I go to the hospital and head home with a cast.
From what I have heard (although I don't know for sure) you could wait for a few hours to see that doctor to get that cast.
If I do that in the States, I go home with a cast and a bill for $1,200. At that point it's worthwhile to hire a lawyer to figure out who's fault the
broken arm is. By the time the dust settles, the cost of the broken arm can be up in the $15K range.
Ummm, nice exaggeration.
Fear of "wasting" money on a sick child is not a dilema that a Canadian mother would have to face.
Oh, and it's such a HUGE problem here in the US! Right! Have you been watching too much ER or something?
From what I have heard, our health care system is way better than that in Canada (my wife is Canadian, so she should know.) From what I understand there is quite a line when you need to see a doctor. When I need treatment, I wait at most 20 minutes.
The quality/reliability/price of communications in Canada vs. the quality/reliability/price of communications in the US.
I have never had a problem getting service from Bell South. The service is excellent, and if you have a problem with a line, they get someone out to fix it within a day or two.
I have never had a problem making a phone call.
I pay $.07/minute anywhere in the US and in Canada for my long distance. I pay $.09 in state.
You mean that if I brought $17 US to Canada, I could get $24.95 worth of Internet. You are not paying $17 for Internet as opposed to I paying $50.00. The exchange rate doesn't come into play here, so the $17 US info is irrelevant.
He/She is 100% correct. If I work in Canada, make $30,000 a year, and pay $50 Canadian for DSL, that's the same as if I worked in the US, made $30,000 a year, and paid $50 US. (Unless Canada and the US's standards of living were much different, and I dont' think they are)
Saying that you paying $50.00 in Canada is a better deal than I paying $50.00 here doesn't make much sense. The only 'better deal' I see is if I earned the $50 in the US, because when I brought it to Canada, it would be worth something like $70, and I could get more Internet for my money. If I am Canadian, earn $50.00, then it's worth $50.00.
For $50/mo. US, I can get DSL with a static IP, and that includes equipment rental. You get 5 emails and your basic DSL upload/download speeds. Telocity
You - American people - can hardly
understand how bad Nazism was for France, Europe and more generally for the whole world, so please think a bit before posting aggressive stuff
against French people.
Why don't you tell us how bad it was back in WWII? Tell us of the horrors that you witnessed, personally.
What? You weren't even born when WWII happened? Please, if you didn't experience it, and your parents haven't either, then don't tell me how bad it was. (I'm making a few assumptions about your age here.)
They won't cut all connections with US servers, will they?
I think that would be the easiest way to deny French citizens access to the Nazi items in question. It's not Yahoo's responsibility to keep French citizens from gaining access to the items in question. The Internet is kind of an all-or-nothing thing.
- it's slow (SLOW SLOW SLOW) when used locally. Windows beats X-Windows anytime as far as speed is concerned
(granted, Windows drivers are probably better tuned than on X, but still)
Why are you saying X is slow if you KNOW the drivers are the true bottleneck?
Apps that need direct hardware access can use the DRI.
X-Windows can't benefit fully from the hardware. While there haven't been any substantial paradigm change in the way
computers are built, which is why Unix is still good 30 years later, there have been tremendous changes in the graphic and
GUI area in 30 years.
Where have you been? XFree86 4 allows one to have their X server, and also have direct access to hardware.
- unstable : the huge code-bloat is why it crashes so often
Ok, that's just plain FUD. I don't remember X EVER crashing on me! I have had my window manager crash, some OpenGL apps, but I don't ever remember X bombing for no reason at all.
Yes, I know about helixcode; yes, it's neat; and no, I won't run binaries that I haven't
built myself.
Can you please tell me how to get gcc compiled without a pre-compiled gcc? I too won't run binaries, but I keep running into this problem where I can't compile the Linux kernel without a compiled gcc, and I can't compile gcc without a compiled gcc, and it's just a vicious cycle!
bah, I think anyone who is physically capable of indicating thier choice of candidate should be able to vote -- even 2 and 3 year olds
Then you also believe that if a 10-year old commits a crime (like stabbing another person) then they are accountable for their actions as any adult would be.
If you can come up with a good reason why children should be accountable as adults then I'll consider the idea of children voting.
Do you think you should be able to vote at 15? How about 12? I worked at 16, but it was a part time job, didn't care much about politics,and a vote from me would definatly have reflected my parents views and not my own.
the reason Germany is so tough on cults like Scientology is because of the suffering wrought by said Austrian
ex-colonel, on the German people and the whole world
I suggest you elaborate on why Scientology is bad because of one particular person's view. Your logic is slightly twisted and I fear that you are the one who is brainwashed. You are following right along with your government's views and condoning the discrimination against a (harmeless) religion all because of one person. You are prosecuting EVERYONE because of ONE. That is just so unbelievable silly.
Consequently, instead of allowing dangerous,
brainwashing religions to flourish under the sort of blanket coverage provided by the US consitution, they're
seeking to protect weak-willed citizens from the cult leaders and themselves
Yeah, because I see SO many people here who are brainwashed by cults! Right. I can tell you that this 'brainwashing' you are referring to doesn't happen as much as you would like to think.
if you
found that part of your operating system was developed by an avowed neo-Nazi, what would you do?
How can you compare a hate group to Scientology? I don't know that much about it but from what I know it's harmless. Perhaps you can educate us on why it is OK to prosecure Scientology as a whole.
It's posts like this that make me proud to be an American.
Anyway, I booted into Windows, ran the tuxracer exe, then double clicked my Tuxracer icon on my desktop.
No, you did it all wrong. If you want to compare the two systems you should have downloaded the source code and try to compile on Linux and Windows. I'm sure you'll find that compiling things under Windows is no easier than doing it under Linux.
You should have downloaded the pre-compiled Tux Racer for Linux.
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I really hope that this doesn't deteriorate into more BSD vs. Linux wars.
Why would that happen? I thought the article was about Tucows dropping their BSD section. BSD != Linux.
This is how I read this whole Tucows incident:
Tucows attempts to provide a BSD portal.
BSD users send flames to Tucows regarding misinformation.
Tucows decided that it couldn't make the BSD crowds all happy, so it ditched it's BSD efforts.
This has nothing to do with Linux, but everything to people who do not know how to provide constructive criticism.
Sending flaming emails to a person or company is not going to get you anywhere, and this incident is just proof of that.
One area that would help on emissions is solar power, which is currently VERY expensive. If someone could develop a solar cell that is 2x more effecient than the ones we have now, I would be much more likely to invest in providing my own electricity.
Some people around here probably don't remember Enlightment as I remember. Enlightment was the ONLY decent-looking window manager for Linux back when Gnome and KDE didn't exist. I remember looking at screenshots of E running.. Enlightement was probably THE reason I started using Linux.
It wasn't a perfect window manager (and nobody claimed it was since it's still labeled as devel) but it kicked ass back in the early Windows 95 days.. I was so happy when I compiled Enlightement and could take a break for the bleak FVWM.
Only in an ideal world. In our world, corporations can use monopoly powers to crush opponents, send high-priced lawyers to silence critics, bribe government officials to write advantageous laws, etc. None of this "pleases people" in the sense you indicate.
He said "Only by pleasing people can corporations earn money". I believe this is correct.
How are you going to sell a product that doesn't make consumers happy? Let us consider Rambus and their business model, ie force people into buying RDRAM. Do you think that we will be using RDRAM next year? I won't, because instead of trying to produce a product that people would naturally flock to, they tried to force RDRAM down our throats. They may yet win their legal battles, but if they lose they are screwed. In the end, if a company doesn't make people happy they will lose out. Monopolies are the exception to that, but our govt. already protects us from those.
but what about DOS attacks? Aren't they illegal?
Perhaps someone else knows the answer to this but:
When does a portscan (which usually is a fast connection to most open ports on a machine) become a DOS attack? Let's say I have DSL, and my victim, er, test subject has a dialup, and I portscan him (or look at his windows as some here would see it) is that not wrong? If portscanning is just looking, then why can 'just looking' congest a dial-up users's network connection (which they are paying for)?? I do realize that portscans last for only a few seconds but it is still using their resources without their permission.
It would be a different story if portscans were passive, but they are active and could be considered DOS attacks.
I think the reason support was such a nightmare was not due to varied Linux distributions, but due to the 3D support uner Linux at the time. Once X4 and the 2.4 kernel have matured a bit more, 3D support under Linux could be pretty nice.
We have already heard about Id's dissapointment with the sales of Q3 and the support issues.
One thing I found especially interesting was that he said "retailers don't want it". Not good news for the Linux shrink-wrap software movement."
You didn't know that? I knew this every time I went into Babbages in the mall, and noticed the Linux section of software consisting of about 3 titles.
Retailers don't want Quake 3 Linux unless it is going to sell. We have been knowing that Linux games do not sell well in stores (I'm not saying they sell like hotcakes on-line), and this isn't surprising (at least not to me.) I think most people who would buy for Linux realize that the selection is going to be MUCH better online, and disregard the idea of running to their local game shop to buy a linux version of game X. I bougth Heroes 3 without even considering that I could buy it local.
Retailers won't 'want' Linux games until Linux has a significant exclusive portion of the computer gaming market.
It is great, however, that Id is a supporter of Linux and believes in Linux enough to help 'kick-start' gaming.
What's with this need to have everything bigger and better? Do you really need to have a car that will do 250 Kph? Does your dinner really need to be ready in 'just five minutes'?
How often do you think Americans eat fast food? I probably eat fast food once every 2 weeks. The fact is most adults do not like fast food (kids love it), but they do like the convenience. You're stereotype there is way off.
Who are you talking about referring to fast cars? Italy? Germany?
I think the problem here is you're watching some American TV and you believe it! Trust me, don't believe anything you see on TV.
I signed up for Process tree recently, and a question came to my mind:
How much does it cost to run your computer idle vs. pegged? I leave my 2 computers on always, and they are using some power, but the cpu's are idle. Has anyone ever researched this? I wonder if the amount of $$ it takes to keep my Duron 850 at 100% utilization for a month will be less than what companies like Process Tree will pay. I don't mind donating CPU cycles to charity (SETI) but I don't think I want to donate to a profit org.
CDN$50 ~= US$32
Ok, here it goes.
I make $30,00 a year in the US, right?
I pay $39.99 for DSL. Still with me?
You make $30,000 a year in Canada.
You pay $39.99 for DSL.
It's the same thing!
We are both paying the SAME amount for our DSL service.
The only thing the $50 = $32 CDN tell us is that the American dollar is worth more than the Canadian dollar.
Perhaps if the cost of living in Canada was like %40 less than here in the US (which we know it is not) then you could say that you paying $39.99 is like paying $32 in our money, but it isn't.
If I breake my arm in Canada, I go to the hospital and head home with a cast.
From what I have heard (although I don't know for sure) you could wait for a few hours to see that doctor to get that cast.
If I do that in the States, I go home with a cast and a bill for $1,200. At that point it's worthwhile to hire a lawyer to figure out who's fault the broken arm is. By the time the dust settles, the cost of the broken arm can be up in the $15K range.
Ummm, nice exaggeration.
Fear of "wasting" money on a sick child is not a dilema that a Canadian mother would have to face.
Oh, and it's such a HUGE problem here in the US! Right! Have you been watching too much ER or something?
From what I have heard, our health care system is way better than that in Canada (my wife is Canadian, so she should know.) From what I understand there is quite a line when you need to see a doctor. When I need treatment, I wait at most 20 minutes.
The quality/reliability/price of communications in Canada vs. the quality/reliability/price of communications in the US.
I have never had a problem getting service from Bell South. The service is excellent, and if you have a problem with a line, they get someone out to fix it within a day or two.
I have never had a problem making a phone call.
I pay $.07/minute anywhere in the US and in Canada for my long distance. I pay $.09 in state.
How is your service better than mine?
That would be approximately $17US per month.
You mean that if I brought $17 US to Canada, I could get $24.95 worth of Internet. You are not paying $17 for Internet as opposed to I paying $50.00. The exchange rate doesn't come into play here, so the $17 US info is irrelevant.
Why was this modded as Flamebait?
He/She is 100% correct. If I work in Canada, make $30,000 a year, and pay $50 Canadian for DSL, that's the same as if I worked in the US, made $30,000 a year, and paid $50 US. (Unless Canada and the US's standards of living were much different, and I dont' think they are)
Saying that you paying $50.00 in Canada is a better deal than I paying $50.00 here doesn't make much sense. The only 'better deal' I see is if I earned the $50 in the US, because when I brought it to Canada, it would be worth something like $70, and I could get more Internet for my money. If I am Canadian, earn $50.00, then it's worth $50.00.
At any rate, please this guy up.
I live in Zimbabwe. I have OC3 connection fro $12.49 amonth.
For $50/mo. US, I can get DSL with a static IP, and that includes equipment rental. You get 5 emails and your basic DSL upload/download speeds.
Telocity
You - American people - can hardly understand how bad Nazism was for France, Europe and more generally for the whole world, so please think a bit before posting aggressive stuff against French people.
Why don't you tell us how bad it was back in WWII? Tell us of the horrors that you witnessed, personally.
What? You weren't even born when WWII happened? Please, if you didn't experience it, and your parents haven't either, then don't tell me how bad it was. (I'm making a few assumptions about your age here.)
And why are we separate from the whole world?
They won't cut all connections with US servers, will they?
I think that would be the easiest way to deny French citizens access to the Nazi items in question. It's not Yahoo's responsibility to keep French citizens from gaining access to the items in question. The Internet is kind of an all-or-nothing thing.
- it's slow (SLOW SLOW SLOW) when used locally. Windows beats X-Windows anytime as far as speed is concerned (granted, Windows drivers are probably better tuned than on X, but still)
Why are you saying X is slow if you KNOW the drivers are the true bottleneck?
Apps that need direct hardware access can use the DRI.
X-Windows can't benefit fully from the hardware. While there haven't been any substantial paradigm change in the way computers are built, which is why Unix is still good 30 years later, there have been tremendous changes in the graphic and GUI area in 30 years.
Where have you been? XFree86 4 allows one to have their X server, and also have direct access to hardware.
- unstable : the huge code-bloat is why it crashes so often
Ok, that's just plain FUD. I don't remember X EVER crashing on me! I have had my window manager crash, some OpenGL apps, but I don't ever remember X bombing for no reason at all.
Yes, I know about helixcode; yes, it's neat; and no, I won't run binaries that I haven't built myself.
Can you please tell me how to get gcc compiled without a pre-compiled gcc? I too won't run binaries, but I keep running into this problem where I can't compile the Linux kernel without a compiled gcc, and I can't compile gcc without a compiled gcc, and it's just a vicious cycle!
bah, I think anyone who is physically capable of indicating thier choice of candidate should be able to vote -- even 2 and 3 year olds
Then you also believe that if a 10-year old commits a crime (like stabbing another person) then they are accountable for their actions as any adult would be.
If you can come up with a good reason why children should be accountable as adults then I'll consider the idea of children voting.
It isn't that clear cut.
Do you think you should be able to vote at 15? How about 12? I worked at 16, but it was a part time job, didn't care much about politics,and a vote from me would definatly have reflected my parents views and not my own.
US politics sicken everyone.
Speak for yourself.
the reason Germany is so tough on cults like Scientology is because of the suffering wrought by said Austrian ex-colonel, on the German people and the whole world
I suggest you elaborate on why Scientology is bad because of one particular person's view. Your logic is slightly twisted and I fear that you are the one who is brainwashed. You are following right along with your government's views and condoning the discrimination against a (harmeless) religion all because of one person. You are prosecuting EVERYONE because of ONE. That is just so unbelievable silly.
Consequently, instead of allowing dangerous, brainwashing religions to flourish under the sort of blanket coverage provided by the US consitution, they're seeking to protect weak-willed citizens from the cult leaders and themselves
Yeah, because I see SO many people here who are brainwashed by cults! Right. I can tell you that this 'brainwashing' you are referring to doesn't happen as much as you would like to think.
if you found that part of your operating system was developed by an avowed neo-Nazi, what would you do?
How can you compare a hate group to Scientology? I don't know that much about it but from what I know it's harmless. Perhaps you can educate us on why it is OK to prosecure Scientology as a whole.
It's posts like this that make me proud to be an American.
Anyway, I booted into Windows, ran the tuxracer exe, then double clicked my Tuxracer icon on my desktop.
No, you did it all wrong. If you want to compare the two systems you should have downloaded the source code and try to compile on Linux and Windows. I'm sure you'll find that compiling things under Windows is no easier than doing it under Linux.
You should have downloaded the pre-compiled Tux Racer for Linux.