I got it (rpm) installed, and set the plugins in preferances in netscape to start realplay. When i click a link for something, it opens realplayer, and then just sits there... It doesn't open the location.
I haven't ever used this thing before, but it looks cool, would like to see it work though.
I didn't say it was a Linux stability test. Heh, actually that's funny, if it core dumps, Linux will be fine, no one will BSOD...
Yes, it's a test of a Linux App... which is the what the topic of this news story is, and thus the point of trying it.
And, Since/. has a high precentage of Linux users, it's something people will probably want to know.
Also, not, the application that is involved, is an ALPHA, so, our feedback is probably of value to RealPlayer as well...
Plus, I just installed RH 6.0, and NS 4.6, and now this is done downloading,;-) I wanna see what happens, and if I am the only one it works/doesn't work for...;-) Let ya know in a little while..
I really hate to say anything bad about Linux. Really, so don't consider this a flame on the OS. But, the true stability and userfriendlyness test for realvideo and netscape is when I can load the following page, and actually see it work:
Feel free to download it, then test this page, report back your distribution and version, netscape version, and special tweaks to anything (plugin configuration), I would love to see the results..
If you really think it's interesting, take a look inside, and feel free to make changes. It's a very very simple shell script, and a dialog front end avaliable. Both are very easy to modify and write, and something that any "beginning UNIX user" should be able to do in a very short time.
For referance... This is soo far off topic, I think it would be best served delt with in mail (only posted here to point that out to others before incase they are tempted to continue this conversation).
FreeBSD runs Linux Binaries, Solaris runs Linux Binaries,... others run Linux Binaries.
For all of you who were waiting for "The Application People" (ISV's) to port to Linux, Keep Waiting. MS Word on Linux? Why? Well, if we port to Linux, we get a Solaris, FreeBSD, etc... market automatically also.
Remembering all the "I wish product X was avaliable in Linux" stuff over the last year here on SlashDot, well, it may be comming, and it's things like this that will help, and may be needed before that happens.
I don't honestly know what I think yet, I haven't seen it run yet, and I haven't studied the licence (Mozilla style?) enough yet to comment on it or it's implications... But, I will say, it is likely to cause some more ISV intrest in porting to Linux. (Good, more apps. Bad, more commercial influance, less intrest in Gnome apps, KDE apps, etc... Impact? Unknown).
There is a book, I forget the name, that has all kinds of pretty pictures, and talks about how to use Linux that ANY windows user should be able to understand (has more pictures, and GUI discriptions than it does words).
I saw it in the bookstore last week, i can't remember the name of it, but it includes Caldera, and it's only about 1/2" thick, 10"x10"????
I remember thinking "I should get this for my mom..." Anyone know what it is?
Oh, gee, now Linux, and those other UniX's finally have a GUI, but it's buggy
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGG! I thought we FINALLY had gotten to a point that people would realize that there WAS GUI in UNIX! And it's modular style was nice, because it allows people to run CPU intensive stuff (calculations/server) without haveing the GUI overhead when needed.
This artical throws me back about 3 years in public opinion, I fear the "non-UNIX community" reading it, becuase it makes it sound like GNOME is the only GUI, and the very first GUI for UNIX.
I have to wonder, how much are they going to pay, and how much would they pay someone writing closed source.
There are probably some good people out there who would take a pay cut to be able to GPL everything they write and be able to show a friend for some input here and there when they get stuck, I can understand that, becuase it would make the "job" more fun. But I wonder what the acutal numbers are.
I was just going to lurk on this topic, but I decided to stick my foot in my mouth insted;-)
"Thompson: I view Linux as something that's not Microsoft-a backlash against Microsoft...don't think it will be very successful in the long run...My experience and some of my friends' experience is that Linux is quite unreliable. Microsoft is really unreliable but Linux is worse."
Well, I don't know if it's just me, but I really feel like I read this whole thing before, about 2-3 months ago? And, If I haven't, I sure know I have heard it before from others.
The thing is, Linux is very new (speaking from the time of origin of UNIX), and developing very rapidly. This is an "Old Party Line" about Free UNIX's, and not something I am shocked by at all.
I consider myself "new" to the UNIX community, starting out in IRIX in about 1994. I remember clearly the days that people were saying many things like this, and in my mind it seems pretty far back. But in the mind of the guy who invented UNIX, I am sure it's just like yesterday. I recall "Yea, Linux is unstable, insecure, and just wacked, if you absolutely have to run a networked box to do any server stuff on a Free Unix, run FreeBSD. Linux is only a toy for workstations. You can get more fun toy applications for Linux that FreeBSD, but it's not as stable or secure for a server." I remember MANY people held that opinion. "Don't ever consider a free unix for something mission critical, and Linux is the dead last choice if you do." Not my word, just stuff I remember hearing.
So, of course, being the "fly in the face of danger" kind of guy I am, when I went to stick UNIX on my home PC, I picked Linux... and that was only about 2-3 years ago now. And I'll tell you, Linux has changed DRASTICALLY in the short time I have used it. So, IMHO, it doesn't sound shocking to me, it just sounds like Thompson is way out of touch with what has happened in the UNIX world in the last 18 months.
"Why should a computer company donate hardware to another for-profit business for free?"
Uh, haven't you seen adds on other commercial internet things, like WEBSITES? CDROM.COM doesn't sell hardware, so just like other websites do, they can make a buisness decision and accept a hardware add on thier site, the and thier ftp site is obviously a high traffic site. That's why.
Heh... Yea, I know. That's why it's science! It's not 100% effective, but nothing is. But, as far as false positives, they know how to rule out classes, catalog false positives, type mixtures... It's really a science, and prototype testing has shown like 10% false positive's in real world trials. Not good yet, but it's still just an experiment.
There are numerous researh projects out there currently to improve airport security, and X-Ray systems does not, IMHO, seem to be the hot area, because of basic public fear of Xrays, photographic matrial, etc...
There are some good alternitives though, among them is a system being developed in a few places including LANL, that is more "non-invasive", where they sniff the air around you (like a drug/bomb sniffing dog, only automated). You walk in the thing, air swishes around you, and back into the instrument, and they get instant readings on trace chemicals (selecting out perfume, selecting explosive chemical precursers...)
Anyone who really cares, email me if you want some journal referances.
Sorry, I thought I might have the chance to ask this, because reading this thread REALLY raised a question in my mind.
Doesn't the Hardware itself play a large role in the NFS server? I can't see an NFS server needing massive CPU power, but I can draw some lines to Memory I/O bandwidth, SCSI systems, and Network Interface devices. When any hardware componant is "weak" it could potentially effect the preformance some percentage, right?
So, comparing a Sparc w/ Solaris to a x86 w/ Linux/FreeBSD just makes me think your actually comparing a lot more than just OS's, and I would want to know the detailed specs on the systems being compared.
Or can someone somehow prove to me that the software is the over-riding influencing factor, and the hardware doesn't matter?
Yes, put the touchpad on the BACK of the glove on the left hand, use your right hand to touch it, and click your left hand fingers together in diffrent configurations for mouse clicks:P Two handed solutions increase the possable input patterns more, makes the mouse work, AND, causes less strain on the hands...
Someone should bookmark this thread and send it to the wearable people:P
K, I am sitting here in my office making strange movements with my hands... And I'll tell you this, aside from the fact that I am happy the door is closed so I don't look like I am totally loosing my mine...
The complexity of the movements needed for this glove looks WAY to deep, but the basic drivers/layout might be used for something much simplier.
I can tap my fingers to my thumb pretty darn fast.
I can tap TWO or THREE fingers at a time, in various combonations to my thumb, at the same time, pretty fast too.
I have two hands.
So, given that, there are 8 primary combinations (each single finger, on each hand, touching the thumb). Theses should be the 8 most used keys.
There are then 7 additional two fingers to the thumb at one time combinations on each hand, giving 14 more combinations.
There are then 4 more combinations of three fingers at a time (slightly more difficult, but easier than some of the contortions that glove looks like) on each hand, giving 8 more combinations. (someone check my math.)
That is up to 30 keys, with much less work for the user.
Now, add potential combinations of on finger to thumb on one hand, and one finger to thumb on the other hand at the same time... and the number should jump up quite a bit. Now, THAT, I would consider using... A pair of very easy to use gloves that are much more portable than a keyboard, and maybe faster. Amagine, typing away while doing other things... protable computeing... Input devices are as important as output (remember that all you HUD guys!)
Things like this strike me as very important, for thier potential applications to allowing computer access to the handicaped (disabled, whatever the pc term is for them now).
Although, I believe it's important, I don't particuarlly find it interesting. Because of the fact that qwerty is a standard, and works just fine, it will be very very hard to replace with ANYTHING. People learn it, it's everywhere, it's easy (I can type faster than I can write by hand, and I know I am not the best typessste:-P). Any alternitive to character input to a computer would have to be _significantly_ faster and easier than qwerty to actually get anywhere (thus, I am interested in Via Voice that is suppose to ship in RH 6.0).
For that reason, I don't think projects like this thumb thing can be significantly viable. This is good, and I am glad someone is trying alternitives, but I think that the goal has to be for the disabled, and something like a low dexterity input device would be better (someone hack character input for a joystick or something.. that would probably be better...)
Shit... I wish there was a way to kill your own comments. I just woke up 15 minutes ago, and it took me like 5 seconds (or less) looking at the two side by side to see. Netcraft only checks out httpd's where this one estimates OS's by checking at least httpd/ftpd/news...
I would like to see a breakdown in a table or something about how this survay compares to the one done by Netcraft, because they seem similar to me (and I don't have the time to do a detailed analysis myself).
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Yea~!!! That's what I needed!
http://www.policescanner.com now.. very cool...
weeeeee.....
I got it (rpm) installed, and set the plugins in preferances in netscape to start realplay. When i click a link for something, it opens realplayer, and then just sits there... It doesn't open the location.
I haven't ever used this thing before, but it looks cool, would like to see it work though.
Red Hat 6.0, Netscape 4.6, G2... ?
Yes, it's a test of a Linux App... which is the what the topic of this news story is, and thus the point of trying it.
And, Since /. has a high precentage of Linux users, it's something people will probably want to know.
Also, not, the application that is involved, is an ALPHA, so, our feedback is probably of value to RealPlayer as well...
Plus, I just installed RH 6.0, and NS 4.6, and now this is done downloading, ;-) I wanna see what happens, and if I am the only one it works/doesn't work for... ;-) Let ya know in a little while..
http://www.cnn.com/videoselect/
Feel free to download it, then test this page, report back your distribution and version, netscape version, and special tweaks to anything (plugin configuration), I would love to see the results..
Can anyone confirm this? The site is soo slow, I am haveing a hard time working my way through it.
For referance... This is soo far off topic, I think it would be best served delt with in mail (only posted here to point that out to others before incase they are tempted to continue this conversation).
For all of you who were waiting for "The Application People" (ISV's) to port to Linux, Keep Waiting. MS Word on Linux? Why? Well, if we port to Linux, we get a Solaris, FreeBSD, etc... market automatically also.
Remembering all the "I wish product X was avaliable in Linux" stuff over the last year here on SlashDot, well, it may be comming, and it's things like this that will help, and may be needed before that happens.
I don't honestly know what I think yet, I haven't seen it run yet, and I haven't studied the licence (Mozilla style?) enough yet to comment on it or it's implications... But, I will say, it is likely to cause some more ISV intrest in porting to Linux. (Good, more apps. Bad, more commercial influance, less intrest in Gnome apps, KDE apps, etc... Impact? Unknown).
Absolutely Astounding! I can't believe this is real, can you provide some referances to back up this story?? ;-) Sorry, couldn't help myself
I saw it in the bookstore last week, i can't remember the name of it, but it includes Caldera, and it's only about 1/2" thick, 10"x10"????
I remember thinking "I should get this for my mom..." Anyone know what it is?
So, now you can post them in a relevent thread, and if any of the moderators think thier worth, they get seen... :-)
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGG! I thought we FINALLY had gotten to a point that people would realize that there WAS GUI in UNIX! And it's modular style was nice, because it allows people to run CPU intensive stuff (calculations/server) without haveing the GUI overhead when needed.
This artical throws me back about 3 years in public opinion, I fear the "non-UNIX community" reading it, becuase it makes it sound like GNOME is the only GUI, and the very first GUI for UNIX.
There are probably some good people out there who would take a pay cut to be able to GPL everything they write and be able to show a friend for some input here and there when they get stuck, I can understand that, becuase it would make the "job" more fun. But I wonder what the acutal numbers are.
"Thompson: I view Linux as something that's not Microsoft-a backlash against Microsoft...don't think it will be very successful in the long run...My experience and some of my friends' experience is that Linux is quite unreliable. Microsoft is really unreliable but Linux is worse."
Well, I don't know if it's just me, but I really feel like I read this whole thing before, about 2-3 months ago? And, If I haven't, I sure know I have heard it before from others.
The thing is, Linux is very new (speaking from the time of origin of UNIX), and developing very rapidly. This is an "Old Party Line" about Free UNIX's, and not something I am shocked by at all.
I consider myself "new" to the UNIX community, starting out in IRIX in about 1994. I remember clearly the days that people were saying many things like this, and in my mind it seems pretty far back. But in the mind of the guy who invented UNIX, I am sure it's just like yesterday. I recall "Yea, Linux is unstable, insecure, and just wacked, if you absolutely have to run a networked box to do any server stuff on a Free Unix, run FreeBSD. Linux is only a toy for workstations. You can get more fun toy applications for Linux that FreeBSD, but it's not as stable or secure for a server." I remember MANY people held that opinion. "Don't ever consider a free unix for something mission critical, and Linux is the dead last choice if you do." Not my word, just stuff I remember hearing.
So, of course, being the "fly in the face of danger" kind of guy I am, when I went to stick UNIX on my home PC, I picked Linux... and that was only about 2-3 years ago now. And I'll tell you, Linux has changed DRASTICALLY in the short time I have used it. So, IMHO, it doesn't sound shocking to me, it just sounds like Thompson is way out of touch with what has happened in the UNIX world in the last 18 months.
Uh, haven't you seen adds on other commercial internet things, like WEBSITES? CDROM.COM doesn't sell hardware, so just like other websites do, they can make a buisness decision and accept a hardware add on thier site, the and thier ftp site is obviously a high traffic site. That's why.
Heh... Yea, I know. That's why it's science! It's not 100% effective, but nothing is. But, as far as false positives, they know how to rule out classes, catalog false positives, type mixtures... It's really a science, and prototype testing has shown like 10% false positive's in real world trials. Not good yet, but it's still just an experiment.
There are some good alternitives though, among them is a system being developed in a few places including LANL, that is more "non-invasive", where they sniff the air around you (like a drug/bomb sniffing dog, only automated). You walk in the thing, air swishes around you, and back into the instrument, and they get instant readings on trace chemicals (selecting out perfume, selecting explosive chemical precursers...)
Anyone who really cares, email me if you want some journal referances.
Doesn't the Hardware itself play a large role in the NFS server? I can't see an NFS server needing massive CPU power, but I can draw some lines to Memory I/O bandwidth, SCSI systems, and Network Interface devices. When any hardware componant is "weak" it could potentially effect the preformance some percentage, right?
So, comparing a Sparc w/ Solaris to a x86 w/ Linux/FreeBSD just makes me think your actually comparing a lot more than just OS's, and I would want to know the detailed specs on the systems being compared.
Or can someone somehow prove to me that the software is the over-riding influencing factor, and the hardware doesn't matter?
Or are DVD standards still not pinned down so it's easier to do something totally diffrent.
Yea, but ONE THUMB? I like the glove idea linked above much better for this :-)
Someone should bookmark this thread and send it to the wearable people :P
The complexity of the movements needed for this glove looks WAY to deep, but the basic drivers/layout might be used for something much simplier.
I can tap my fingers to my thumb pretty darn fast.
I can tap TWO or THREE fingers at a time, in various combonations to my thumb, at the same time, pretty fast too.
I have two hands.
So, given that, there are 8 primary combinations (each single finger, on each hand, touching the thumb). Theses should be the 8 most used keys.
There are then 7 additional two fingers to the thumb at one time combinations on each hand, giving 14 more combinations.
There are then 4 more combinations of three fingers at a time (slightly more difficult, but easier than some of the contortions that glove looks like) on each hand, giving 8 more combinations. (someone check my math.)
That is up to 30 keys, with much less work for the user.
Now, add potential combinations of on finger to thumb on one hand, and one finger to thumb on the other hand at the same time... and the number should jump up quite a bit. Now, THAT, I would consider using... A pair of very easy to use gloves that are much more portable than a keyboard, and maybe faster. Amagine, typing away while doing other things... protable computeing... Input devices are as important as output (remember that all you HUD guys!)
Eeek. My hand is getting cramped up and having muscular spasms just looking at that thing.
Although, I believe it's important, I don't particuarlly find it interesting. Because of the fact that qwerty is a standard, and works just fine, it will be very very hard to replace with ANYTHING. People learn it, it's everywhere, it's easy (I can type faster than I can write by hand, and I know I am not the best typessste :-P). Any alternitive to character input to a computer would have to be _significantly_ faster and easier than qwerty to actually get anywhere (thus, I am interested in Via Voice that is suppose to ship in RH 6.0).
For that reason, I don't think projects like this thumb thing can be significantly viable. This is good, and I am glad someone is trying alternitives, but I think that the goal has to be for the disabled, and something like a low dexterity input device would be better (someone hack character input for a joystick or something.. that would probably be better...)
Shit... I wish there was a way to kill your own comments. I just woke up 15 minutes ago, and it took me like 5 seconds (or less) looking at the two side by side to see. Netcraft only checks out httpd's where this one estimates OS's by checking at least httpd/ftpd/news...
Anyone see the obvious diffrences?