OK, I blew 3 points on this thread modding, then decided to post because this might be more important?
Here's what the dihard SlashDot'ers NEED to do (if you agree mod this up!)
Go Give Blood
Start a system of mirrors.
mirror as much shit as you can find, photos, media clips, etc...
Someone write a simple script that any UNIX'er can use (tarball probably, rpm and deb them later) to stick on the mirrors W/ instructions for the newbies... I suggest a high speed site be listed IN THE README to the script that has the primary IP/URL to mirror, that we DO NOT make public unless you run the script!!!
Post them mirrors...
those running the mirrors update hourly off the IP/URL from the README in the script.
come up with better ideas.
Find someone to sort the primary source into good images, good text, good video, etc... maybe a 1 to 5 star rating? We could come up with a MOD system, but f- that for now, let's just find SOMEONE to do it and start it up!
I am about to mirror some of what I found, sometime somewhere soon, TBA.... I hope we can band together to pull off a media spread fast and informative.
Comment on Trademarks and Copywrights: Screw them, this is too important. DO NOT white out sources, GIVE FULL CREDIT IF YOU CAN!!! But, we want the news spread clear and fast, with as much detail as we can. So, give credit, and if they don't make the credits for the photos or media clear enough in the content, it's THIER FAULT for not taking credit... Let's just mirror shit so we don't choke down the major news sites and the best photos we can find.
OK, I blew 3 points on this thread modding, then decided to post because this might be more important?
Here's what the dihard SlashDot'ers NEED to do (if you agree mod this up!)
Go Give Blood
Start a system of mirrors.
mirror as much shit as you can find, photos, media clips, etc...
Someone write a simple script that any UNIX'er can use (tarball probably, rpm and deb them later) to stick on the mirrors W/ instructions for the newbies... I suggest a high speed site be listed IN THE README to the script that has the primary IP/URL to mirror, that we DO NOT make public unless you run the script!!!
Post them mirrors...
those running the mirrors update hourly off the IP/URL from the README in the script.
come up with better ideas.
Find someone to sort the primary source into good images, good text, good video, etc... maybe a 1 to 5 star rating? We could come up with a MOD system, but f- that for now, let's just find SOMEONE to do it and start it up!
I am about to mirror what I found on www.spack.nu/wtc/ to be at www.current.nu sometime somewhere soon, TBA.... I hope we can band together to pull off a media spread fast and informative.
Comment on Trademarks and Copywrights: Screw them, this is too important. DO NOT white out sources, GIVE FULL CREDIT IF YOU CAN!!! But, we want the news spread clear and fast, with as much detail as we can. So, give credit, and if they don't make the credits for the photos or media clear enough in the content, it's THIER FAULT for not taking credit... Let's just mirror shit so we don't choke down the major news sites and the best photos we can find.
OK, I mod'ed 3 points on this thread, trashing my mods now to post.
Here's what the dihard SlashDot'ers NEED to do (if you agree mod this up!)
Go Give Blood
Start a system of mirrors.
mirror as much shit as you can find, photos, media clips, etc...
Someone write a simple script that any UNIX'er can use (tarball probably, rpm and deb them later) to stick on the mirrors W/ instructions for the newbies... I suggest a high speed site be listed IN THE README to the script that has the primary IP/URL to mirror, that we DO NOT make public unless you run the script!!!
Post them mirrors...
those running the mirrors update hourly off the IP/URL from the README in the script.
come up with better ideas.
Find someone to sort the primary source into good images, good text, good video, etc... maybe a 1 to 5 star rating? We could come up with a MOD system, but f- that for now, let's just find SOMEONE to do it and start it up!
I am about to mirror what I found on www.spack.nu/wtc/ to be at www.current.nu sometime somewhere soon, TBA.... I hope we can band together to pull off a media spread fast and informative.
Comment on Trademarks and Copywrights: Screw them, this is too important. DO NOT white out sources, GIVE FULL CREDIT IF YOU CAN!!! But, we want the news spread clear and fast, with as much detail as we can. So, give credit, and if they don't make the credits for the photos or media clear enough in the content, it's THIER FAULT for not taking credit... Let's just mirror shit so we don't choke down the major news sites and the best photos we can find.
Re:Bruce Perens And Debian @ HP & Compaq
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HP Buys Compaq
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Heh.. If HP hadn't already spun off Agilent, boy would I ever be begging you for the inside track on a job! But it seems to be a factor that will probably spin Agilent farther from HP/Compaq...
So... yes, you do live in exciting times, but you knew that 4-5 years ago, right?!?;-)
Just because it's another point of view, doesn't make it a troll... Just look at the link, look at the ports listed in his link. Look at just one example like hpcmips and try to say it's not relevent. NetBSD has a long standing history of running on cheap, cool, novel hardware. This would be almost "too easy" for NetBSD.
After all, we're talking embedded now, it's a VERY valid point to bring up something other than Linux, and point out the tons of other cool hardware out there in this arena.
Just because it's embedded doesn't mean it can't benifit from storage space. Why would talking about USB, ATA, and SCSI mean we weren't talking about embedded?
OK, maybe your selling me. I do see you can't get all of your eggs in the same basket at the same time at that size and price too now (so it seems after re-reading the data sheet).
Video... Who the hell cares, if you can telnet/ssh to it (ssh might be a bit of a cpu hog for the encription/compression though).
Yea, I've watched the the uXXimm project for a while (since before it was a dimm), and it's always been interesting. Just like the half dozen x86's on a DIMM. But, the killer to all of those is the price, which is >$300.
Ok, I'll assume the CPU is dog slow (but hey, my first Linux box was a 386SX20). But can someone PLEASE explain to me how you can get:
2 USB ports
2 Parallel ports
Ethernet
SCSI
IDE ATA-2
Two serial ports
for under $100? At that scale?
I understand the size factor... pin-outs to all of these input/outputs. your connectors will be more space consuming than your actual hardware. But the price? Did I fall asleep and wake up in 2020 or something? Walk into a computer store and see how much they get for a SCSI card, IDE controller, NIC, and PCI USB card... And all that, in the size of a pack of paper matches, for under $100?
Well, the size does suprise me, a bit. But I really would like an answer on the Price thing. Can someone tell me how they make and sell this for $75, or is that a./ typo?
"Beck, mix of Bizness featuring AC/DC" is way better than either by them selfs... and only through net would I have ever heard "Ozzy Osbourne with Dweezil Zappa - Stayin' Alive" or "Ozzy Osbourne, DMX, Crystal Method, ODB, and Fuzzbubble - Nowhere to Run" or "Rammstein - stripped (written by Depeche Mode)."
I had not purchased a CD for YEARS, then I heard stuff on Napster, and was at the local record store every friday asking if they had the import I wanted in yet!
Napster brought back creativity, something that the music industry in general had destroyed 10-20 years ago!
You can't judge that unless you know the origins of PINE, thus my question.
If the funding for PINE came from a grant to develop promising young CS students, it would probably be a violation and dis-service to the grant to GPL the app. Again, referance my other post.
I always thought that PINE was a "Grad Student Project" or something... Not a GPL app. And as such, it was the universities professors property, not public property.
Just because it's a public university does not automatically mean it's public property. Professors show their work by publishing, but they are VERY private about what happens before they publish. Publication is the result of a long effort, and to be open about the process of development that lead to the publication would allow others to "swoop in" at the end and take credit. How would you feel if you worked on something for years, and in the last 1 month of work, someone came in, took it, and released it under another name as thier own work? (Despite GPL, it happens, who actually looks at "previous maintainers and developers" vs. "current project maintainers and contacts").
I've used PINE since 1994, and the PINE history doesn't say how it started, or in who's office and with what funding.
Now, IMHO, if PINE was the work of a CS professor, and he want's to keep it as a project of his undergrad or grad students, more power to him! It's an excellent project to learn on, and not a bad thing for the students to put on a Resume. Better that they actually learn to write and debug. For, if PINE was GPL, his students would learn NOTHING more than project management (an MBA skill) and server maintaince, because PINE is popular enought that they would probably get patches hourly.
On the other hand, if PINE was something that the University of Washington had a IT staff member write, as part of their paid job, or if it was something UofW paid a consultant to write, DAMN RIGHT IT SHOULD BE GPL!!!
So, my question is, what is the REAL origin of PINE? I _really_ want to know!
Re:Subscription is the way to go...
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FreeBSD on DVD
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THIS LINK is the correct one for the first time I mentioned Subscriptions in public... Sorry, the other link was wrong (Friday, worked to long, first beer of the night... brain shuttiiing down... SYSTEM HALTED)
Subscription is the way to go...
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FreeBSD on DVD
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I've long said this. Subscriptions are the way to go. I'm up for the FreeBSD one;-). BTW. Mandrake is offering subscriptions of sorts now also with FREQ stuff, you can get a FREQ Subscription.
Who honestly cares OS X it's FreeBSD based or not, it's BSD based, and JKH is going to be working on it, or if not, he will be working closely with others who are working on OS X. The result will be, either way, OS X will be more LIKE FreeBSD at it's core. Which makes me worry more about something else, Specifically:
JKH Wrote "FreeBSD doesn't compete with Apple's product offerings in any way and provides an excellent source of technology for them.."
In other words, Apple will allow FreeBSD to exist as a separate OS maintained by JKH, but it's not ever going to be something that challenges OS X.
WHY? Are Apple and JKH both agreeing that OS X has a nice GUI front that makes it the perfect OS for non-technical people? Or do Apple and JKH both agreeing that OS X is going to be the killer OS that brings Apple into the small scale server market? Either of which would make FreeBSD not a real OS for either?
I'm bothered by what JKH said, but then again, I'm usually paranoid and take things out of context...
I'm sorry, but you lost me... And I am not a file system expert. So, how do you make a mini-internet system and avoid the directory tree structure?
The internet itself is a directory tree structure, with links working out from the ":" it's server.domain.com:/web/files/ type thing, in theory.
And the only thing that makes it look diffrent on the surface are links. I can make all the symbolic links I want if I want to group all audio related files in one area.... If for some reason that makes it easier to navigate...
Yea, true, the reading equiptment might be big...
But, if its just an archive of old data, you can use robotics to swap diffrent 1cm cubes in and out, and archive 100's of them in one unit.
I'd pretty much agree with your comments, and I do like the final statement "We don't have instant results on April 17, 2001??? Give it time.
I do think I would add a few comments though. To start with, it seems that the artical really didn't credit how much progress has been made, and it is obvious that the artical is not being written in context of the project. Specifically, I would point out two things:
First, not to many years ago, there were numerous articals that discussed how difficult the project would be... and giving credit to how far ahead of the predictions the Human Genome Project is really.
Secondly, IMHO, no one has given enough credit to how much Moore's Law has really played in the project. It was calculated the length of time to decode the human gene, and deemed impossable. It was only in light of Moore's Law that serious work began. Now, it's at a level that outpaced most estimates.
It's only because of how far we have come that people say things like "map to nowhere." Keep in mind, when people tried to find alternate trade routes to India by sea, finding America was probably considered "a map to nowhere."
I could have SWORE that about 2 weeks ago I read a website (Asian company I think, but pages in English) that was actually selling the developer version of the Yopi for about $900. It seemed to be a bit nicer than this Agenda thing (although, more expensive).
Unfortunatly, I can't seem to find the link:-( Was I dreaming? (I'm 85% sure I bookmarked it, At work:-(... I'll post it tomarrow AM if no one finds it first).
Slashdot Mirror
Here's what the dihard SlashDot'ers NEED to do (if you agree mod this up!)
I am about to mirror some of what I found, sometime somewhere soon, TBA.... I hope we can band together to pull off a media spread fast and informative.
Comment on Trademarks and Copywrights: Screw them, this is too important. DO NOT white out sources, GIVE FULL CREDIT IF YOU CAN!!! But, we want the news spread clear and fast, with as much detail as we can. So, give credit, and if they don't make the credits for the photos or media clear enough in the content, it's THIER FAULT for not taking credit... Let's just mirror shit so we don't choke down the major news sites and the best photos we can find.
Here's what the dihard SlashDot'ers NEED to do (if you agree mod this up!)
I am about to mirror what I found on www.spack.nu/wtc/ to be at www.current.nu sometime somewhere soon, TBA.... I hope we can band together to pull off a media spread fast and informative.
Comment on Trademarks and Copywrights: Screw them, this is too important. DO NOT white out sources, GIVE FULL CREDIT IF YOU CAN!!! But, we want the news spread clear and fast, with as much detail as we can. So, give credit, and if they don't make the credits for the photos or media clear enough in the content, it's THIER FAULT for not taking credit... Let's just mirror shit so we don't choke down the major news sites and the best photos we can find.
Here's what the dihard SlashDot'ers NEED to do (if you agree mod this up!)
I am about to mirror what I found on www.spack.nu/wtc/ to be at www.current.nu sometime somewhere soon, TBA.... I hope we can band together to pull off a media spread fast and informative.
Comment on Trademarks and Copywrights: Screw them, this is too important. DO NOT white out sources, GIVE FULL CREDIT IF YOU CAN!!! But, we want the news spread clear and fast, with as much detail as we can. So, give credit, and if they don't make the credits for the photos or media clear enough in the content, it's THIER FAULT for not taking credit... Let's just mirror shit so we don't choke down the major news sites and the best photos we can find.
Heh.. If HP hadn't already spun off Agilent, boy would I ever be begging you for the inside track on a job! But it seems to be a factor that will probably spin Agilent farther from HP/Compaq...
;-)
So... yes, you do live in exciting times, but you knew that 4-5 years ago, right?!?
Cheers,
Just because it's another point of view, doesn't make it a troll... Just look at the link, look at the ports listed in his link. Look at just one example like hpcmips and try to say it's not relevent. NetBSD has a long standing history of running on cheap, cool, novel hardware. This would be almost "too easy" for NetBSD.
After all, we're talking embedded now, it's a VERY valid point to bring up something other than Linux, and point out the tons of other cool hardware out there in this arena.
Just because it's embedded doesn't mean it can't benifit from storage space. Why would talking about USB, ATA, and SCSI mean we weren't talking about embedded?
Video... Who the hell cares, if you can telnet/ssh to it (ssh might be a bit of a cpu hog for the encription/compression though).
Yea, I've watched the the uXXimm project for a while (since before it was a dimm), and it's always been interesting. Just like the half dozen x86's on a DIMM. But, the killer to all of those is the price, which is >$300.
I followed the links to the company's PDF of it... Have a look http://developer.axis.com/doc/hardware/etrax100lx/ 18354_etrax_lx.pdf
for under $100? At that scale?
I understand the size factor... pin-outs to all of these input/outputs. your connectors will be more space consuming than your actual hardware. But the price? Did I fall asleep and wake up in 2020 or something? Walk into a computer store and see how much they get for a SCSI card, IDE controller, NIC, and PCI USB card... And all that, in the size of a pack of paper matches, for under $100?
Well, the size does suprise me, a bit. But I really would like an answer on the Price thing. Can someone tell me how they make and sell this for $75, or is that a ./ typo?
"Beck, mix of Bizness featuring AC/DC" is way better than either by them selfs... and only through net would I have ever heard "Ozzy Osbourne with Dweezil Zappa - Stayin' Alive" or "Ozzy Osbourne, DMX, Crystal Method, ODB, and Fuzzbubble - Nowhere to Run" or "Rammstein - stripped (written by Depeche Mode)."
I had not purchased a CD for YEARS, then I heard stuff on Napster, and was at the local record store every friday asking if they had the import I wanted in yet!
Napster brought back creativity, something that the music industry in general had destroyed 10-20 years ago!
They have the MySQL documentation stacked behind a advertizment for books, then a registration form. It's just... Bad...
I don't blame MySQL AB one bit for getting pissed off. I think they have a right to be, and at least they are clear about what MySQL is.
There are NUMEROUS reasons I would support PINE insted of mutt, IF, and ONLY IF, I find out the true origins of PINE. Referance myhttp://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=01/07/03/152 9226&threshold=-1&commentsort=3&mode=thread&pid=59 #160 first post on it. For that matter if something like I suggest in my second post in this discussion on PINE would be a reason for PINE not being GPL, I would probably suport PINE more than mutt.
You can't judge that unless you know the origins of PINE, thus my question. If the funding for PINE came from a grant to develop promising young CS students, it would probably be a violation and dis-service to the grant to GPL the app. Again, referance my other post.
Just because it's a public university does not automatically mean it's public property. Professors show their work by publishing, but they are VERY private about what happens before they publish. Publication is the result of a long effort, and to be open about the process of development that lead to the publication would allow others to "swoop in" at the end and take credit. How would you feel if you worked on something for years, and in the last 1 month of work, someone came in, took it, and released it under another name as thier own work? (Despite GPL, it happens, who actually looks at "previous maintainers and developers" vs. "current project maintainers and contacts").
I've used PINE since 1994, and the PINE history doesn't say how it started, or in who's office and with what funding.
Now, IMHO, if PINE was the work of a CS professor, and he want's to keep it as a project of his undergrad or grad students, more power to him! It's an excellent project to learn on, and not a bad thing for the students to put on a Resume. Better that they actually learn to write and debug. For, if PINE was GPL, his students would learn NOTHING more than project management (an MBA skill) and server maintaince, because PINE is popular enought that they would probably get patches hourly.
On the other hand, if PINE was something that the University of Washington had a IT staff member write, as part of their paid job, or if it was something UofW paid a consultant to write, DAMN RIGHT IT SHOULD BE GPL!!!
So, my question is, what is the REAL origin of PINE? I _really_ want to know!
THIS LINK is the correct one for the first time I mentioned Subscriptions in public... Sorry, the other link was wrong (Friday, worked to long, first beer of the night... brain shuttiiing down... SYSTEM HALTED)
I've long said this. Subscriptions are the way to go. I'm up for the FreeBSD one ;-). BTW. Mandrake is offering subscriptions of sorts now also with FREQ stuff, you can get a FREQ Subscription.
Who honestly cares OS X it's FreeBSD based or not, it's BSD based, and JKH is going to be working on it, or if not, he will be working closely with others who are working on OS X. The result will be, either way, OS X will be more LIKE FreeBSD at it's core. Which makes me worry more about something else, Specifically:
JKH Wrote "FreeBSD doesn't compete with Apple's product offerings in any way and provides an excellent source of technology for them.."
In other words, Apple will allow FreeBSD to exist as a separate OS maintained by JKH, but it's not ever going to be something that challenges OS X.
WHY? Are Apple and JKH both agreeing that OS X has a nice GUI front that makes it the perfect OS for non-technical people? Or do Apple and JKH both agreeing that OS X is going to be the killer OS that brings Apple into the small scale server market? Either of which would make FreeBSD not a real OS for either?
I'm bothered by what JKH said, but then again, I'm usually paranoid and take things out of context...
Hi, any pointers to this "forensic analysis floppy"? I happen to have a recently hacked drive... :-( And it's not a very cool coaster.
The internet itself is a directory tree structure, with links working out from the ":" it's server.domain.com:/web/files/ type thing, in theory.
And the only thing that makes it look diffrent on the surface are links. I can make all the symbolic links I want if I want to group all audio related files in one area.... If for some reason that makes it easier to navigate...
A search engine on a file system, like "locate"?
Yea, true, the reading equiptment might be big... But, if its just an archive of old data, you can use robotics to swap diffrent 1cm cubes in and out, and archive 100's of them in one unit.
I do think I would add a few comments though. To start with, it seems that the artical really didn't credit how much progress has been made, and it is obvious that the artical is not being written in context of the project. Specifically, I would point out two things:
First, not to many years ago, there were numerous articals that discussed how difficult the project would be... and giving credit to how far ahead of the predictions the Human Genome Project is really.
Secondly, IMHO, no one has given enough credit to how much Moore's Law has really played in the project. It was calculated the length of time to decode the human gene, and deemed impossable. It was only in light of Moore's Law that serious work began. Now, it's at a level that outpaced most estimates.
It's only because of how far we have come that people say things like "map to nowhere." Keep in mind, when people tried to find alternate trade routes to India by sea, finding America was probably considered "a map to nowhere."
https://www.gmate.co.kr/english/products/developme nt_kit.htm I don't think they beat the Yopy to market..... So, what's that mean? No one want's to use the Yopi, but the Agenda thing is cool cause it's on SlashDot?
https://www.gmate.co.kr/english/products/overview. htm there it is...
Unfortunatly, I can't seem to find the link :-( Was I dreaming? (I'm 85% sure I bookmarked it, At work :-(... I'll post it tomarrow AM if no one finds it first).