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  1. Re:A past example of a price rise on The Desktop Is Dead, Long Live the Desktop! · · Score: 1

    Price rises for a particular feature have happened in the past.

    So have price drops, what's your point? That still doesn't explain where you get the idea that PCs will become so obscure that they will move into the realm of unaffordability. Even the irrelevant examples you provide didn't demonstrate any of those things moving into the realm of unaffordability.

  2. Re:Controls that adapt on The Desktop Is Dead, Long Live the Desktop! · · Score: 1

    When a mouse is plugged in, a close box should appear. Even on Unity, a close box does appear.

    That's just one example of an action that is intuitive on a touchscreen but wouldn't work with a mouse.

    I'm not ready to download, install, and configure half a GB of simulator just for this discussion. But I do have a Nexus 7 tablet running Android 4.4, a Bluetooth keyboard, a USB mouse, and a USB OTG adapter. I connected the keyboard and mouse, and both were recognized. What specific activities should I try in apps that ship with Android?

    I don't know but Paint Pro or Google Skymap or Junaio or whatever is going to be a terrible experience not to mention the interfaces used would need to be somehow adaptive and doing that between phones and tablets on android is proving to be difficult enough much less changing input mechanisms.

    First, the PC would detect the presence of a mouse. In several past versions of Windows, when the mouse is disconnected from a desktop PC, the mouse pointer disappears. And when I connect a USB mouse to an Android tablet, a mouse pointer appears. This means the machine can sense whether or not a mouse is present and make decisions on how to present the user interface based on that information. Or after having connected a monitor to the device's HDMI output, the user could choose to turn off the built-in display, which causes the device's touch screen to act like a trackpad and causes the mouse cursor to be shown on the connected monitor.

    Oh fantastic, so when touch is preferred I have to unplug the display and the mouse and the keyboard to get my touch interface back and then plug them back in if I want keyboard/mouse and larger display. You don't see how irritating that would be? People will just have 2 devices - just like they do now - it makes more sense than trying to be jack of all trades and master of none. Why do you think that, while people can do this with Android now, they don't? It's because it's a shitty experience, such devices have been tried and failed already.

    As it is there are almost no Android apps that can work equally well on a tablet and phone, they can't even adjust to a small difference in screen size much less changing the entire interaction mechanism.

    What further information do you seek about how to implement control adaptation to mouse and touch paradigm? Are you looking for an exhaustive list of touch gestures that exist on a particular mobile platform, in addition to a list of mouse-based alternatives to each gesture that a UI toolkit would offer?

    No, the problem is the only applications this works any good with are those for which the input mechanism doesn't really matter, which are mostly trivial content-consumption applications. In cases where one is preferred over the other you must dock and undock the device in order to use it in that fashion, which is a terrible user experience.

    People put up with the inconvenience of a landline when cell phones were priced as a luxury. If supply and demand causes PCs to become priced as a luxury, people will have to put up with the inconvenience.

    But people won't put up with that inconvenience to start with so prices won't rise significantly.

    No, these problems would be created by supply and demand. As prices of new PCs to replace dead PCs rise, people will have to press their phones into service as PC replacements.

    They won't rise significantly, even if you eliminate the basic home user who could replace their PC tasks with a tablet that still leaves the entire corporate market, pc gamers, content creation, developers, education, etc...

    Your whole idea is predicated on people putting up with a crappy experience because they can't afford PCs because PC prices have risen because people don't want them but that isn't happening because people don't want to put up with the crappy experience you propose.

  3. Re:But can I build my own netbook? on The Desktop Is Dead, Long Live the Desktop! · · Score: 1

    I'm aware of this. So after these "price rises", how can parents afford a PC on which their child can do homework for programming class?

    The same as they do today, these "price rises" are purely hypothetical and I don't know where you get the idea that PCs will become so obscure that they will move into the realm of unaffordability.

  4. Re:But can I build my own netbook? on The Desktop Is Dead, Long Live the Desktop! · · Score: 1

    Small PC shops didn't build laptops last time I checked, especially not 10" laptops, unless putting a tablet and a Bluetooth keyboard in a carrying case counts as "building".

    There are plenty of minor laptop manufacturers too, fairly easy to find with a quick search so it still sounds like you think they are going to form a global cartel to raise prices. If fewer people want them then volume drops as do volume discounts which leads to price rises, pretty simple economics.

  5. Re:Controls that adapt on The Desktop Is Dead, Long Live the Desktop! · · Score: 1

    Other than that the launcher is full-screen (which Classic Shell fixes), what might they happen to be, so that I can suggest improvements?

    Anything that uses swiping and many of the things that use dragging. Try using the hotcorners to drop the metro task manager and pull out then drag down the application to close it. Or try using Android/iOS/Windows Phone applications in the Android/iOS/Windows Phone simulator.

    For one thing, it'd apply only to applications "designed for a tablet that lack specific support for a desktop", and for another, a GUI toolkit's standard controls would switch to more mouse-like behavior when a mouse is connected or when the internal display is turned off in favor of an external monitor.

    And how exactly would they do that?

    That or just speakerphone.

    Well a headset is just inconvenient and speakerphone is inappropriate if other people are around.

    What you are suggesting are clunky workarounds to problems that don't need to exist, problems you are creating.

  6. Re:there's got to be a catch on Patent Troll Bill Clears House With Huge Majority · · Score: 2

    So their contribution to V8 was to bring a lot of things together, but it wouldn't have been possible with, again, outside companies and acquisitions.

    Which is precisely what Apple did with the iPhone.

    Apple had patented the wazoo out of the iPhone ("And BOY have we patented it!" - Steve Jobs, iPhone Introduction), and yet they copied anyway.

    Which is bullshit because the context of the quote was that they "invented" this thing called "multitouch", and you are a fool if you believe that to be true. Apple tried to scare other companies off by claiming this but those other companies called their bluff in knowing Jobs was a liar and that they did not invent multitouch.

  7. Re:Once PCs are deemed "for work", prices may rise on The Desktop Is Dead, Long Live the Desktop! · · Score: 1

    The idea is that there'd be a monitor and possibly a keyboard at each work station, and you plug your own phone into the monitor and pair the keyboard. Or if you're worried about a keylogger, all you need to bring is the keyboard. At that point, you could use anyone's HDTV as the monitor.

    You have been able to do that for a long time, ultimately applications developed for touch are not suited to kb/mouse and vice versa and rather than tying your phone to a desktop paradigm while you need a desktop and relinquishing the desktop when you need your phone you might as well just have 2 devices - they are different hardware with different interaction methods, different applications and different use cases, trying to converge them just because they have some common hardware components is just silly.

    My fear is that once the PC becomes perceived something that people buy only to use at work, PC makers will get away with charging inflated "enterprise" prices for them.

    You think all manufacturers - including small PC shops - are going to form a cartel to increase prebuilt PC prices? Even then you can still build your own and if PC hardware prices increase due to low demand that is the very nature of a supply and demand economy.

  8. Re:Floating windows on The Desktop Is Dead, Long Live the Desktop! · · Score: 1

    That's going to mean using a touch UI with a mouse and keyboard, which people don't like (as demonstrated by Metro and Unity), you can already see how much of a failure that is by just using the iOS, Android or Windows Phone simulator on a PC. Not to mention things like making a phone call then require a headset or undocking of the phone from your desktop arrangement.

  9. Re:Phone + HDMI monitor + Bluetooth keyboard on The Desktop Is Dead, Long Live the Desktop! · · Score: 1

    For more screen real estate, you'd plug an HDMI cable into the phone, pair it to a Bluetooth keyboard, and place the phone to the right of the keyboard to be used as a trackpad.

    So you're going to have applications that work both on a small touchscreen and on a large display with keyboard & mouse?

  10. Re:Games on linux on Valve Joins the Linux Foundation · · Score: 1

    Direct Android compatibility.

    Doubtful, you can't make incompatible Android forks and still be part of the OHA so you will always be behind on support and that also means you don't get Google Play Services upon which many Android apps will be relying given it is the provider of much of the new features for Android now. But even then, why would you want to run those applications on your PC or console? It's just a clunky experience to use a program designed for a touchscreen phone on a device with a kb/mouse or controller.

  11. Re:Better late than never on Valve Joins the Linux Foundation · · Score: 1

    There are already some developers lining up to produce triple A titles on the console

    Which developers would they be?

  12. Re:Not dead, just a mature market on The Desktop Is Dead, Long Live the Desktop! · · Score: 1

    Tablets fall flat on vacation though unless you get a wireless data plan, and even then you can't use them in foreign countries.

    So do laptops, so that's not really relevant.

  13. Re:Better late than never on Valve Joins the Linux Foundation · · Score: 2

    Major studios will absolutely develop for native linux. Or at very least people who are developing for the PS4. Both X86 platforms, both running a variant of a Unix kernal. PS4 using a FreeBSD kernal, while obviously SteamOS Linux kernal based but the cross over should be very simple.

    But the kernels are different, firstly one is BSD-based and the other is Linux. It's foolish to think there wouldn't be significant optimizations in areas like the scheduler on the PS4 kernel to target the predominantly single-task gaming focus of the console, not to mention the differences in drivers and the different (and sometimes proprietary) frameworks used like libgcm and psgl. That they're both operating systems with unix-based kernels does very little for application portability.

  14. Re:make my day... on The Desktop Is Dead, Long Live the Desktop! · · Score: 1

    I think a more realistic scenario will be that tablets/phones get powerful enough that people use docking stations when they need a bigger form factor

    But the user interface to support a phone/tablet interface is not suitable for a desktop and the systems designed to include both options giving the user the ability to choose have not been well received (Windows 8, Ubuntu Unity, and I'm not sure how many people use OSX Launchpad).

    So ultimately you will end up with a completely different UI and applications when docked and undocked so if you want to use your phone applications when docked you either have to undock it - which is inconvenient and disruptive - or use them on your desktop - which based on the reception of Windows 8 and Ubuntu Unity is something people don't want to do.

  15. Re:make my day... on The Desktop Is Dead, Long Live the Desktop! · · Score: 1

    Personally I'd be interested to know how many people in these comments are writing them on a PC vs Tablet/Smartphone.

  16. Re:When more than one user of a PC uses the same a on Google Is Building a Way To Launch Chrome Apps Without Installation · · Score: 1

    Well that's odd, you say Apple is BSD and BSD is a *nix yet OSX still calls them folders. Could it be there is no standard on what to call them? I can see you desperately want to make out that Microsoft is so far behind but in fact Apple and Microsoft both call them the same thing.

  17. Re:When more than one user of a PC uses the same a on Google Is Building a Way To Launch Chrome Apps Without Installation · · Score: 1

    Unlike Windows, you also can't see other users' files or "folders" (using MS's nonstandard nomenclature)

    You mean Apple's (as introduced in the Lisa) nonstandard nomenclature? Though I'm not sure what you think the 'standard' is or why.

  18. Re:What awful gifts... on Free Software Foundation Announces 2013 Holiday Giving Guide · · Score: 1

    Where we still disagree is on the whole borrowing or renting someone else's computer as a practical, reasonnable for the masses way to run iTunes.

    If all you want to do is redeem a gift card to download some tracks then it is perfectly reasonable, I would agree that it wouldn't be reasonable if those tracks were DRM restricted and then still required iTunes but they aren't, they only require iTunes to download them.

  19. Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? on Sailfish Can Officially Be Installed To Android Devices · · Score: 1

    What do I get out of making the "Linux community" a "major player"?

    Well the one key thing I can think of is better support from hardware manufacturers and major software developers.

  20. Re:What awful gifts... on Free Software Foundation Announces 2013 Holiday Giving Guide · · Score: 1

    Sigh. Virtual Machine don't come with an operating system preinstalled.

    That doesn't mean you have to buy a Windows or Apple computer though, as you falsely stated. You have clearly only just discovered what a VM is given your statement that "iTunes does not run on open-source operating systems so VMs don't help one bit" which is false because obviously if iTunes ran on open source operating systems then the use of VM would be irrelevant anyway and the VM runs on the open source operating system and the proprietary operating system runs in inside that, so I suggest you go an educate yourself on this before attempting to discuss it further.

    hence why I said that you needed to buy either Windows, or an Apple computer.

    Which is obviously rubbish, you either have to buy a Windows license (which as you seem to have a very difficult time with basic comprehension is not a computer) or use somebody's Windows or Apple machine or somebody's system with a Windows VM. You could even rent a cloud-based Windows or Mac VM if you really wanted to.

    If you're allowed to install iTunes on your work computer, and access to these non-work sites is not blocked; or if you have friends who let you use their computers to download stuff. Otherwise that "any Windows or OSX system" will be one you bought which brings us back to the above.

    No, you can buy a Windows license and use a VM, but in the real world just about everybody has access to a system with Windows or OSX some way even if you would like to believe they don't. It really isn't as difficult or obscure a case as you are making it out to be.

    Ultimately it is easy to get DRM-free music, which is a good thing, obviously the process to do it is far too difficult for you though.

  21. Re:Really? on Free Software Foundation Announces 2013 Holiday Giving Guide · · Score: 1

    You said "you would encrypt it anyway" which as stated implies a manual operation

    No it doesn't imply that at all.

    Furthermore you did say "if you want "cloud storage" you can't guarantee that data will always be private no matter who you host it with" which is wrong: if your cloud storage solution performs client-side encryption then that's a garantee your data will be private.

    Rubbish, encryption is never guaranteed to be unbreakable.

    You did not say they "have to" but you said they "need to"

    Wrong again, I clearly said they need to focus on making good products, products that appeal to most people and compete with non-free products, which - despite it clearly not saying it - you have interpreted to mean they have to compete on features which is clearly only one aspect.

  22. Re:Really? on Free Software Foundation Announces 2013 Holiday Giving Guide · · Score: 1

    Wrong the solution is client-side encryption. the FSF did mention it on their page: "Client side encryption to prevent snooping".

    My statement didn't preclude client-side encryption, in fact if you read the passage I quoted I explicitly said you would encrypt it anyway.

    Given that most people value brand above all else, competing on features is far from sufficient.

    I didn't say you have to compete on features, you need to compete in all areas to build products that people actually want to use, or you can just continue the defeatist attitude and lament your view that even if you did build something decent nobody would use it...maybe that's why those products suck so much.

  23. Re:What awful gifts... on Free Software Foundation Announces 2013 Holiday Giving Guide · · Score: 1

    iTunes does not run on open-source operating systems (even with Wine) so VMs don't help one bit. Running iTunes requires buying Windows or an Apple computer

    errr...a VM is a Virtual Machine, you don't have to buy a Windows or Apple computer, you can run Windows in a VM on a linux system if you like, or thanks to the lack of DRM you can use any Windows or OSX system to download the songs and then copy them to wherever you want.

  24. Re:Paired with.... on Jolla's First Phone Goes On Sale · · Score: 1

    Anecdotes about some new Samsung phone that isn't locked down as much as their old ones may be interesting but some people such as myself, rightly or wrongly, have the perception that something that actually strives to be open as a selling point may be better in the long run.

    Which is what the Nexus phones have always been and now HTC and Samsung have been joining those ranks, the Jolla phone still lacks open drivers for its hardware components so it isn't actually a step forward in openness from the existing Nexus phones. So my point is that you don't gain anything with Jolla yet you still have to pay a premium price for outdated hardware. The Nexus 5 for example has all the openness - like the Nexus phones always have - that the Jolla phone has but is much cheaper and much better hardware, and as a virtue of its openness you can apparently run Sailfish OS on it too if you want to.

  25. Re:Self-serving philanthropy on Code.org Wants Participating Students' Data For 7 Years · · Score: 2

    I just had a look at their website and much of it seems to be device and platform agnostic, in fact some things are just critical-thinking tasks that don't even require a computer. I doubt it would be difficult to tie all the corporate and private donors together to come up with some big conspiracy theory about how this is all to enslave everybody as corporate drones and somebody should think of the children but there doesn't really seem to be anything to actually support that notion so wouldn't a more effective use of that time be producing an alternative to the specific elements - if any - that you disagree with?