Unless all the developers of any code specifying a version number of GPL come around then he most certainly can't change the license, and given the response from a number of key devs that is unlikely to happen.
Here's a newsflash for you: Google created Android to make sure they have a presence in the lucrative mobile market and could care less about "open" and "free."
It would seem they do, to an extent. They have released all their code and they created the nexus phones, but they seem unwilling (or unable) to strong-arm the phone manufacturers who would likely go another route if they were forced to relinquish control. In the end the user has a choice, go with an iphone-esque locked-down system from some manufacturers or choose a more open handset like the Nexus phones.
So its like he claims: "I wanted to point out your security failures, so I opened your safe". And the federal prosecutor says: "You actually opened the safe and took the money out". While the first is possibly illegal, but let's us argue that no harm was actually done, the second is pure and simply theft.
I'm not a terrorist, I was just pointing out your airline security failures. Love, Osama.
all these/. articles about gov't IT and Internet policy in OZ. It's hard to believe they're truly that clueless. (Not that us Yanks are much better off, it's just more centered around "security from terrorists," and ""intellectual property"". - same, only different)
I think most (or all?) aside from this have actually been speculation, rumors or things that have failed pretty epically long before implementation.
Well, like this UI crap you keep going on about. Let's see: you called it a MAJOR issue. All I'm saying is that it apparently isn't. You're the one complaining here, don't forget.
So...by the same logic you must concede that security or stability obviously isn't an issue for Windows, but instead you went on some rant about how I must be a 'hater'.
What would I sue you for? Im just trying to understand your point, but it didn't make sense because your example didn't match your definition.
Android and Apple devices are eating their lunch at home. There's no money to be made selling low margin devices. If this keeps up, they may not be in the phone business too long.
Same you couldn't read any further - you missed the part where i said it didn't matter, in all caps, no less.
Yes, you said it doesn't matter because be they have great sales, which is why I put my initial comment regarding MS Windows...if all that matters is market success then Microsoft is at the top of the game with Windows.
you silly geeks with your silly rules are completely unable to predict or explain success
what rules? geek? unable to predict success? Now you've failed the argument so you're just going off on random topics.
and get all in a lather about stupid minutiae instead of learning something.
Accessibility of the UI is a MAJOR issue, which is what we were discussing, and you then decide it doesn't matter because they have lots of sales...well SO DOES MICROSOFT with Windows. I guess security or stability or any other issue doesn't matter because they have lots of sales.
Oh, and if all it takes to make me a fanboi is to troll you by calling you a hater, great!
Candy bar, all screen, no physical keyboard, as few buttons as possible, *touch* not stylus
The N97 - that you said 'aped the iphone form factor' doesn't fit that description. In fact the flagship nokia phones don't seem to have copied the iphone anymore than the iphone copied designs from companies like LG that preceded it.
The fact that they've copied an existing form-factor makes absolutely no difference to their relevance in the market as evidenced by the enormous success of the iphone that did the same thing.
And I never did. This is what, the fourth time you've tried this line of argument?
Quite clearly you did, you wrote it in your comment. Read it, this is like the fourth time you've FAILED to do that, here I'll quote it for you:
Apple's success in this field obviously means they have at least a clue what they're doing
That was in response to a comment about the Accessibility of the UI. Are you that thick that not only can you not remember writing that but you can't even look back to see that you wrote it?!
if you can find anything in any of my thousands of comments that shows I'm a fanboi...
You IMMEDIATELY called me a 'hater' when i disagreed with you, here i'll quote it for you since you probably don't remember and can't seem to be able to re-read your own comments:
You haters make the fanbois look sane.
I disagreed with you so that makes me a hater does it?
UI, accessibility, keyboard, whatever...you can't say they 'have a clue' in any of those fields based purely on sales.
and the slashdot crowd complete unhinged lunacy when it comes to success they don't understand/control.
Oh yes, the slashdot crowd, every commenter refers to the 'slashdot crowd' some mythical community that exists yet no commenter is actually a part of it.
You're a perfect example.
And you're a perfect example of the type of fanboi that makes apple users (including myself) look like douchebags, the person who claims that anyone who disagrees with him on an opinion of Apple must be an apple hater.
If I can choose three out of four mobile phone platforms, none of which can share a language, this proves my argument that platform/language incompatibility is a rule, not an exception.
3 out of 4? I just listed 5 compatible mobile platforms, 2 of which command the vast majority market share and there's also Symbian, so make that 6 platforms and even QNX is the future on BB devices. So as it stands the VAST majority of the smartphone platforms (in count and in marketshare) are compatible.
The only Xbox 360 API open to the general public is XNA, and XNA doesn't work with standard C++. As I understand it, only an established company on its second title or later can gain access to the native environment on Xbox 360 as opposed to the XNA/Indie Games sandbox.
So now 'cross-platform' is dependent on what is available for indie developers and the general public?! The XBox360, PS3 and Wii official SDKs that game dev companies have access to - through the proper channels - allow for cross-platform development, that's why we see so many cross-platform games in the console market.
So how would you write a program to make it portable across two or more of the following?
That's obviously not a legitimate question, unless of course you actually didn't know that cross-platform doesn't mean all platforms and so forming a list of incompatible platforms doesn't prove your argument.
Of course C++ is generally the chosen language for a platform agnostic (as far as is possible) abstraction then platform-specific rendering paths can be written, which is how most cross-platform console titles are done. For example in the mobile world you can write native C++ code for Android, iOS, Maemo/Meego, WebOS, Blackberry QNX and then have different platform-specific UI code. In terms of consoles an XBox360, PS3 and Wii title can also have a C++ backend with platform-specific frontend.
And for other platforms you can use modeling tools (like those that use UML) with different code-generation plugins for your architecture and fill out any necessary functionality down the track, of course some porting is required between platforms but when your basic architecture and art assets (sound, vectors, bitmaps, animation, music, etc...) are all there it isn't overly difficult.
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He says he can't. Different thing entirely.
Unless all the developers of any code specifying a version number of GPL come around then he most certainly can't change the license, and given the response from a number of key devs that is unlikely to happen.
Here's a newsflash for you: Google created Android to make sure they have a presence in the lucrative mobile market and could care less about "open" and "free."
It would seem they do, to an extent. They have released all their code and they created the nexus phones, but they seem unwilling (or unable) to strong-arm the phone manufacturers who would likely go another route if they were forced to relinquish control. In the end the user has a choice, go with an iphone-esque locked-down system from some manufacturers or choose a more open handset like the Nexus phones.
where for art thou modpoints...+funny
Samsung isn't exactly treating their Android phone customers well either.
The fact that it's only the U.S. certainly makes it seem like a carrier issue than a Samsung issue.
ah, yes, Samsung, the company that charges for updates.
That was a rumor, which is apparently not true.
If you buy an open source product, then you have the rights to modify it in any way.
Who's going to buy an open source product? Open source products are free (as in freedom and cost).
with a large sign saying "Please, help yourself to everything inside."
What part of the real situation does that correlate to?
So its like he claims: "I wanted to point out your security failures, so I opened your safe". And the federal prosecutor says: "You actually opened the safe and took the money out". While the first is possibly illegal, but let's us argue that no harm was actually done, the second is pure and simply theft.
I'm not a terrorist, I was just pointing out your airline security failures.
Love, Osama.
Actually just the ECMA standard. .... So yep, effectively locked in.
Locked in to standards-conformant software...hrm...
It's just one crazy law after another down under..
What crazy laws have there been? And this is just some govt policy, not a law.
How in the holy shit do you search for ".net"?
god forbid you need help doing something in GIMP.
all these /. articles about gov't IT and Internet policy in OZ. It's hard to believe they're truly that clueless. (Not that us Yanks are much better off, it's just more centered around "security from terrorists," and ""intellectual property"". - same, only different)
I think most (or all?) aside from this have actually been speculation, rumors or things that have failed pretty epically long before implementation.
Is this really 'locked in' though? An ECMA and ISO certified standard.
Well, like this UI crap you keep going on about. Let's see: you called it a MAJOR issue. All I'm saying is that it apparently isn't. You're the one complaining here, don't forget.
So...by the same logic you must concede that security or stability obviously isn't an issue for Windows, but instead you went on some rant about how I must be a 'hater'.
So sue me. The n97 has a keyboard. big whoop.
What would I sue you for? Im just trying to understand your point, but it didn't make sense because your example didn't match your definition.
Android and Apple devices are eating their lunch at home. There's no money to be made selling low margin devices. If this keeps up, they may not be in the phone business too long.
And? I'm not disputing that.
Same you couldn't read any further - you missed the part where i said it didn't matter, in all caps, no less.
Yes, you said it doesn't matter because be they have great sales, which is why I put my initial comment regarding MS Windows...if all that matters is market success then Microsoft is at the top of the game with Windows.
you silly geeks with your silly rules are completely unable to predict or explain success
what rules? geek? unable to predict success? Now you've failed the argument so you're just going off on random topics.
and get all in a lather about stupid minutiae instead of learning something.
Accessibility of the UI is a MAJOR issue, which is what we were discussing, and you then decide it doesn't matter because they have lots of sales...well SO DOES MICROSOFT with Windows. I guess security or stability or any other issue doesn't matter because they have lots of sales.
Oh, and if all it takes to make me a fanboi is to troll you by calling you a hater, great!
Troll or fanboi, pathetic either way.
Keep playing this stupid game.
Don't whinge just because you're looking stupid.
Candy bar, all screen, no physical keyboard, as few buttons as possible, *touch* not stylus
The N97 - that you said 'aped the iphone form factor' doesn't fit that description. In fact the flagship nokia phones don't seem to have copied the iphone anymore than the iphone copied designs from companies like LG that preceded it.
The fact that they've copied an existing form-factor makes absolutely no difference to their relevance in the market as evidenced by the enormous success of the iphone that did the same thing.
Seriously.
"If there is something good in the world then we copy with pride."
No, i mean what is the 'iPhone form factor'? As far as i can see the iPhone didn't bring anything new in terms of form factor.
And I never did. This is what, the fourth time you've tried this line of argument?
Quite clearly you did, you wrote it in your comment. Read it, this is like the fourth time you've FAILED to do that, here I'll quote it for you:
Apple's success in this field obviously means they have at least a clue what they're doing
That was in response to a comment about the Accessibility of the UI. Are you that thick that not only can you not remember writing that but you can't even look back to see that you wrote it?!
if you can find anything in any of my thousands of comments that shows I'm a fanboi...
You IMMEDIATELY called me a 'hater' when i disagreed with you, here i'll quote it for you since you probably don't remember and can't seem to be able to re-read your own comments:
You haters make the fanbois look sane.
I disagreed with you so that makes me a hater does it?
The fact that the N8 and the N97 and other Nokia phones(and Android phones) have aped the iPhone form factor
The iPhone form factor?
Sorry, no.
UI, accessibility, keyboard, whatever...you can't say they 'have a clue' in any of those fields based purely on sales.
and the slashdot crowd complete unhinged lunacy when it comes to success they don't understand/control.
Oh yes, the slashdot crowd, every commenter refers to the 'slashdot crowd' some mythical community that exists yet no commenter is actually a part of it.
You're a perfect example.
And you're a perfect example of the type of fanboi that makes apple users (including myself) look like douchebags, the person who claims that anyone who disagrees with him on an opinion of Apple must be an apple hater.
If I can choose three out of four mobile phone platforms, none of which can share a language, this proves my argument that platform/language incompatibility is a rule, not an exception.
3 out of 4? I just listed 5 compatible mobile platforms, 2 of which command the vast majority market share and there's also Symbian, so make that 6 platforms and even QNX is the future on BB devices. So as it stands the VAST majority of the smartphone platforms (in count and in marketshare) are compatible.
The only Xbox 360 API open to the general public is XNA, and XNA doesn't work with standard C++. As I understand it, only an established company on its second title or later can gain access to the native environment on Xbox 360 as opposed to the XNA/Indie Games sandbox.
So now 'cross-platform' is dependent on what is available for indie developers and the general public?! The XBox360, PS3 and Wii official SDKs that game dev companies have access to - through the proper channels - allow for cross-platform development, that's why we see so many cross-platform games in the console market.
my prev Gigabyte Nvidia 9800GT (which died a premature death - Nvidia hardware reliability sucks
Or perhaps Gigabyte hardware reliability sucks? Or perhaps it was a one-off? What part of it actually failed to make you think it was nVidia's fault?
This results in unstable software commonly found on closed source platforms as nobody can provide reliable software there.
Yeah i see that on the Xbox360 and PS3 all the time...
So how would you write a program to make it portable across two or more of the following?
That's obviously not a legitimate question, unless of course you actually didn't know that cross-platform doesn't mean all platforms and so forming a list of incompatible platforms doesn't prove your argument.
Of course C++ is generally the chosen language for a platform agnostic (as far as is possible) abstraction then platform-specific rendering paths can be written, which is how most cross-platform console titles are done. For example in the mobile world you can write native C++ code for Android, iOS, Maemo/Meego, WebOS, Blackberry QNX and then have different platform-specific UI code. In terms of consoles an XBox360, PS3 and Wii title can also have a C++ backend with platform-specific frontend.
And for other platforms you can use modeling tools (like those that use UML) with different code-generation plugins for your architecture and fill out any necessary functionality down the track, of course some porting is required between platforms but when your basic architecture and art assets (sound, vectors, bitmaps, animation, music, etc...) are all there it isn't overly difficult.