What about all those people buying macs? I've bought my last three computers with Linux preinstalled. They sell them at Fry's and they're prominently advertised in the ads Fry's runs in the local newspaper.
Yeah, they arent impossible to find if you go looking for them. However, recently I looked around for a laptop online. I went to several large sites and manufacturer's websites. Dell, HP, IBM. I keep hearing about these people selling Linux computers, but they're very hard to find, especially laptops. If I do find a linux computer, they're often for expensive server hardware only. I dont even care if it comes with Linux, I just dont want to be forced to buy Windows. But your OS choice is always seemingly "Windows XP Home Edition" or "Windows XP Professional Edition" or "Windows XP Media Edition". What the hell. All versions that come with a big blue e icon on the desktop, and usually no other browser. How will IE ever slip below 80%?
Also, you're right about it being great if IE goes below 80% market share. But the whole point of my comment is that its NOT going to happen. Unless something major changes. All of this hype about browser wars is overdone. Nothing is going to change.
You seem to be overlooking one small point, IE actually deserved to win the last browser war because guess what, it was a better browser than Netscape.
That may be true, but you're overlooking another small point. The reason IE won had nothing to do with it being better. Simply putting it on the desktop of every windows computer, and therefore every computer you buy from any major manufacturer, is what made it win. As long as this is true, there will never be another war. Even if IE had a timer to crash every 30 minutes, it would still have 80% market share.
There will never be another browser war on windows. As long as the following are true:
Its nearly impossible to buy a computer without buying windows. Manufacturers dont want to upset Microsoft.
Every computer that you do buy that comes with windows has a big blue 'e' icon on the desktop.
Idiots use computers.
This is what caused the almost immediate switch from Netscape to Internet Explorer. It had nothing to do with the features of either browser. As long as these three things are true, IE will NEVER go below 80% of the web browser market.
Wow. If he thinks GPL software is unfair to developping nations and redirecting their resources to the wealthiest nations in the world, I wonder what he thinks about commercial software.
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You know, that link actually works for me..
But then, I just create a file named devnull in / and I use unix.
Btw, the link says file:///, not http:// you liar!
you cant really expect a browser to take over a the browser share when every windows computer has an IE icon one click away..
people seem to think its some sort of fair fight and that since firefox is a better browser that its going to win over the masses, but it'll never happen because its not a level playing field
its cool when you're at work and you're "not allowed to install software". In these sorts of scenario its cool because: IE = no software installed Mozilla/firefox = software installation
why would you want your employees installing new browsers when theres already one?
im not saying firefox should give up.. its badass and I used it.. but its no real threat to IE
Do you know why this isn't funny anymore? Because this is the joke most people make who have not tried Windows beyond the 95 and 98SE1 days.
Good thing Windows Longhorn will be here soon with some awesome new features which will fix all of the problems of its predecesors. Wait.. what year is it?
Wow, that does sound IMPRESSIVE. I can't begin to imagine how much more work I will get done with Ctrl-Alt-Del animations and color fades in explorer.
yeah dude.. Maybe now they can use badass hardware accelerated vector graphics and alpha blending so that Clippy can have a gaussian blurred shadow when a speech bubble comes out of his mouth to present the blue screen of death.
Yeah, everything you said is pretty much completely right. But my point was that if Microsoft succeeds in its "trustworthy computing" and it becomes economically impossible to pirate Microsoft software, what kind of effects do you think that would have?
Suddenly all of those people that pirated software and just didnt care if it was right or wrong, have to pay! And what about those countries where people's average annual income is around $420 and over 98% of software is pirated? Would trusted computing actually help free software in this sense?
I just finished reading the article and followed the link on trusted computing. The question thats in my mind now is what kind of effect this will have on Microsoft.
Its interesting because almost every one of my friends doesnt see Linux as being free as any sort of advantage. They all say "Its not like I actually paid for Windows!" If anyone needs any sort of Microsoft product someone will ask and the next day someone will show up with a burned copy of it. So who cares if you can download Debian for free? I also realize that my group of friends are somewhat more technical than most normal people. But I've noticed this kind of software pirating from even very non-technical people.
If trustworthy computing succeeds, and Microsoft software will only install on TC-enabled PC's, what kind of effect do you all think this will have on Microsoft? Do you think they'll actually lower their prices if more people are paying for Windows? And do you think it might help more technical home users to start using free software?
How could the license you distribute some of your own code under effect the license you distribute the rest of your code under? You're not licensing the code from yourself, and you can always distribute your code under more than one license.
but you also have to realize, once there are millions of exploitable computers online and it is publicly known that they are exploitable, there is only one thing that'll happen. Worms will come out until one comes out that patches it. There is absolutely no other way it can happen..
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What about all those people buying macs? I've bought my last three computers with Linux preinstalled. They sell them at Fry's and they're prominently advertised in the ads Fry's runs in the local newspaper.
Yeah, they arent impossible to find if you go looking for them. However, recently I looked around for a laptop online. I went to several large sites and manufacturer's websites. Dell, HP, IBM. I keep hearing about these people selling Linux computers, but they're very hard to find, especially laptops. If I do find a linux computer, they're often for expensive server hardware only. I dont even care if it comes with Linux, I just dont want to be forced to buy Windows. But your OS choice is always seemingly "Windows XP Home Edition" or "Windows XP Professional Edition" or "Windows XP Media Edition". What the hell. All versions that come with a big blue e icon on the desktop, and usually no other browser. How will IE ever slip below 80%?
Also, you're right about it being great if IE goes below 80% market share. But the whole point of my comment is that its NOT going to happen. Unless something major changes. All of this hype about browser wars is overdone. Nothing is going to change.
You seem to be overlooking one small point, IE actually deserved to win the last browser war because guess what, it was a better browser than Netscape.
That may be true, but you're overlooking another small point. The reason IE won had nothing to do with it being better. Simply putting it on the desktop of every windows computer, and therefore every computer you buy from any major manufacturer, is what made it win. As long as this is true, there will never be another war. Even if IE had a timer to crash every 30 minutes, it would still have 80% market share.
This is what caused the almost immediate switch from Netscape to Internet Explorer. It had nothing to do with the features of either browser. As long as these three things are true, IE will NEVER go below 80% of the web browser market.
I still wouldnt call this a vulnerability in netcat.
That Web site, Elitetorrents.org, had a selection of copyrighted works that government officials described as virtually unlimited.
yeah.. and I've been wondering where the hell I can get episodes of "Mama's Family" and "American Gladiators". No one seems to have any!
Im serious!
The slashdot writer is completely right. We need more killing of guilty animals. ;o
My point was, your servers hostname and apache arent involved, and the link probably didnt work for you :P
btw,
krappie:~$ uname -a
Linux krappie 2.6.11.6-grsec #1 Mon Mar 28 03:08:13 CST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
Wow. If he thinks GPL software is unfair to developping nations and redirecting their resources to the wealthiest nations in the world, I wonder what he thinks about commercial software.
You know, that link actually works for me..
But then, I just create a file named devnull in / and I use unix.
Btw, the link says file:///, not http:// you liar!
It doesn't have to be 50-50 to be competitive.
Yes, it does.
wtf
you cant really expect a browser to take over a the browser share when every windows computer has an IE icon one click away..
people seem to think its some sort of fair fight and that since firefox is a better browser that its going to win over the masses, but it'll never happen because its not a level playing field
its cool when you're at work and you're "not allowed to install software". In these sorts of scenario its cool because:
IE = no software installed
Mozilla/firefox = software installation
why would you want your employees installing new browsers when theres already one?
im not saying firefox should give up.. its badass and I used it.. but its no real threat to IE
Do you know why this isn't funny anymore? Because this is the joke most people make who have not tried Windows beyond the 95 and 98SE1 days.
Good thing Windows Longhorn will be here soon with some awesome new features which will fix all of the problems of its predecesors. Wait.. what year is it?
Wow, that does sound IMPRESSIVE. I can't begin to imagine how much more work I will get done with Ctrl-Alt-Del animations and color fades in explorer.
yeah dude.. Maybe now they can use badass hardware accelerated vector graphics and alpha blending so that Clippy can have a gaussian blurred shadow when a speech bubble comes out of his mouth to present the blue screen of death.
Despite the actual percentage of people running IE as Administrator. Lets assume for a second that they're not running as Administrator.
Does this stop someone from placing a program in their startup?
Does this protect the user from getting spyware?
Does this stop someone from using that computer in a big DDOS bonetnet and UDP/connect() flooding ips?
Does this stop someone from using that computer in a big SPAM botnet?
ssh has been fairly good
Yeah, everything you said is pretty much completely right. But my point was that if Microsoft succeeds in its "trustworthy computing" and it becomes economically impossible to pirate Microsoft software, what kind of effects do you think that would have?
Suddenly all of those people that pirated software and just didnt care if it was right or wrong, have to pay! And what about those countries where people's average annual income is around $420 and over 98% of software is pirated? Would trusted computing actually help free software in this sense?
I just finished reading the article and followed the link on trusted computing. The question thats in my mind now is what kind of effect this will have on Microsoft.
Its interesting because almost every one of my friends doesnt see Linux as being free as any sort of advantage. They all say "Its not like I actually paid for Windows!" If anyone needs any sort of Microsoft product someone will ask and the next day someone will show up with a burned copy of it. So who cares if you can download Debian for free? I also realize that my group of friends are somewhat more technical than most normal people. But I've noticed this kind of software pirating from even very non-technical people.
If trustworthy computing succeeds, and Microsoft software will only install on TC-enabled PC's, what kind of effect do you all think this will have on Microsoft? Do you think they'll actually lower their prices if more people are paying for Windows? And do you think it might help more technical home users to start using free software?
Who remembers this awesome idea?
The MSN iLoo
Too bad it turned out to be a hoax
I cant help but wondering the same thing...
yeah.. and its funny how that works:
IE="no software installed"
Mozilla="extra software that needs approval to be installed"
How could the license you distribute some of your own code under effect the license you distribute the rest of your code under? You're not licensing the code from yourself, and you can always distribute your code under more than one license.
Lehey is an idiot
Haha. I wonder if this whole thing has ANYTHING to do with this?
http://www.phrack.org/unoffical/p62/p62-0x0d.txt
You're completely right of course..
but you also have to realize, once there are millions of exploitable computers online and it is publicly known that they are exploitable, there is only one thing that'll happen. Worms will come out until one comes out that patches it. There is absolutely no other way it can happen..
What do you mean PS?
some major bugs
:D
some missing features
a slow memory leak that requires you to stop and start it every hour or so
But very usable.
BAHAHAHHAHAHAHhahahahhahahahhahahaha