Don't bother... it is another example of (bad) selective editing. The clip ends before Kagan finished her response, hence the apparent 'difficulty' with responding. Yeah, I would have difficulty responding in a video clip if the clip ended too soon.
This is so true. Back in my high school days, we had some bomb threats that got called in to the school. Then a couple of students "came forward" and accused another student of calling it in and planning an actual event (this was shortly after Columbine). The student was arrested and everyone in the town heard about this. It was front page news in local newspapers for a few weeks.
After a few weeks, I hadn't heard anything new and the whole thing slipped from my memory. A few years later, I read in the local paper that the student had committed suicide because of him being constantly ostracized by the town. Turns out that he was cleared of all charges, but this was never announced in the media and most people in my town still thought he did it. When confronted, he would tell people that he was cleared, but most people didn't believe him because his credibility was destroyed by the original media coverage. There was no trial verdict for him to point to since it never went to trial.
Absolutely! This is probably the only way I would accept such an arrangement. The argument for prioritizing by data types is that the market would decide which types get proper priority. However, this would only be true if the users are *informed* about what get priority.
Although, it does require that they are educated about the implications of their choices, but that is hoping for too much...
Meh, I have always preferred RPM anyway, even with its faults. It seems that apt is a little too paranoid while rpm is a little too lax. If you are still having issues, I believe doing a forced remove should completely remove postfix from the database and then allow you to reinstall it, but I am hardly an expert with apt/deb.
That issue was fixed in 9.10. The MySQL daemon wasn't fully converted over to Upstart.
I'm currently still seeing it in 10.04LTS, after doing something very simple and reasonable that selinux would have been able to handle with no problem. So the "solution" of apparmor being easier still didn't solve anything - I just lost the power of Selinux, and traded it for something that hangs updates. Because hey, after all, if I'm installing mysql-server then OBVIOUSLY i want it to start during the install process, right? And replacing init with Upstart, when it is no where near ready for production use even now several releases later, was a bad move. Mysql is a very basic thing to want to have working on a average, run-of-the-mill, lowend server; ie, the Ubuntu Server target audience. What sort of testing occurred?
It was fixed, but it appears that it broke again (possibly due to some sort of typo in the upstart script, if I understand it correctly). There is an update going out right now to fix this. Please check to see if it solves your issue.
And it was also just an example. Maybe you can explain why this bug still exists? Does Canonical think that using ldaps to auth a machine is unimportant? And that's as a *client*, so that means Ubuntu can't be used as a workstation OS where ldaps is in use, unless you do something like I suggested in comment #91.
Well, that isn't my area of expertise, and the issue doesn't seem to be a blanket "LDAP does work", but rather a particular combination of issues breaks LDAP. But, I could be mis-understanding it, though.
This is the sort of thing that happens when people do feature updates downstream without submitting upstream; Canonical has intentionally fostered a culture of people not doing the right thing (kudos for you for not being among them) with code changes, and as a result has created their own divergent forks that they now have to continuously spend time remerging with their proprietary changes.
Yes, the Ubuntu community has shot from the hip fairly often and just made changes without working them back upstream. Maybe this comes from the mindset that developed while they work on making extensive changes to the desktop and not have those changes accepted back upstream (because the changes weren't mature enough)? Well, we as a community have been working to change that mindset for the past year (at least, I have seen it this way) and are really trying to get developers to think about the upstream more and to improve workflows to make this easier and more reliable.
I do agree that we need better testing and QA. RedHat has an extensive build testing system and has worked hard to develop good release practices and checklists. I would like to see Canonical do the same.
Mod parent up.
This is exactly the point that needs to be made. No one in their right minds are saying that gas cars needs to be completely eliminated. However, for many people, electric cars make a lot of sense. However, misconceptions are hurting the market penetration. I would love to see Ford, GM, Toyota, etc, show commercials of electric cars driving around a city, looking stylish and neat. I would be curious to see what the demand for them are after such an advertising blitz.
Well, if the 60+ mile trip is rare enough, then rent the gas powered car as needed. If you make 60+ mile trips often enough, then an electric car doesn't make sense for you (yet). Just like anything else in life, use the tool that fits the job.
Saying that Julian Assange "runs" WikiLeaks is a little simplistic. While he does act as a sort of Editor-In-Chief, he primarily serves as a spokesman for the organization. Honestly, to be the public face for a website like that takes balls, and I would certainly act to make sure the content that is released is good before putting my balls on the line.
You might be thinking of sandstorms, which are huge and they last for days and weeks. The main problem they present is that they significantly reduce the amount of sunlight the solar panels receive.
When you have market share, you can then start to dictate your own terms. If Canonical can make Linux on the desktop more viable and attractive to end users and can build a respectable audience, then software and hardware makers will have to take notice. Until then, we have to play on their own terms. Those terms are to either accept their proprietary crap (if available), and/or develop our own open-source drivers and software.
But one does have to look at it from the perspective of the businesses. We are barely pocket change to most of them. Something has to justify them even putting the effort to modify their behavior. Having higher visibility gives us a chip and a chair at the table. Having the higher moral ground, while laudable, won't get the attention of most of these businesses.
I agree with you in principle, but I just have to face the reality of the situation.
Why is it that when I do a ctrl-C when "start mysql" hangs, Upstart thinks mysql is now running?
That issue was fixed in 9.10. The MySQL daemon wasn't fully converted over to Upstart.
Then there's the minor detail that Ubuntu doesn't submit upstream patches to things; they just change stuff, and put the source on their own tree.
Actually, it is currently standard policy for the BugSquad to report the bug upstream. A bug report can not be marked as "Triaged" until a bug report has been filed upstream or the bug has been identified as Ubuntu-specific.
Now, you may have a point that there are people who seem to spend time doing development work on projects downstream rather than upstream. But you would have to ask those individuals why they do so. Personally, I work both upstream and downstream (for both Ubuntu and Fedora). YMMV.
Got a video on the government website you like? Well, kiss it goodbye, because the odds are that said government agency can't afford to close caption it (close captioning isn't cheap). That means they'll just have to pull it and no one will get to see it.
It is also perfectly acceptable to make available a simple transcript, which is significantly cheaper because it doesn't involve setting up timings and such. This is a lot like having ALT tags for images, which should now be considered standard web etiquette.
Mod parent up!
Damn, I just spent all my mod points on another thread. I can't tell you the number of times I had to get this fact straight with people.
You know, it is still possible to write bad code in Python... I use these packages on a daily basis, and while I wouldn't use them for production-level numerical weather prediction system, I do use it for data processing and such. There have been times when I wrote the code poorly and the code ran slowly, but as I learned Python and embraced the language (weaning myself away from C), I found myself writing faster programs. Which high-level language features do you think are lacking? I particularly like list comprehensions and the function argument syntax (positional and keyword-based).
So, you take the marketing hype as what the scientific field believes the rate of progress will be, and then complain when the scientists don't meet the hype? I, for one, enjoy seeing these articles to see where the boundaries of technology are, and automatically filter out the marketing hype. If you don't want to hear about developments in high-tech research, then don't come to Slashdot or Engadget.
Blocking is not sold, it is a free "service". Literally, it is just a True/False flag on your account. The plans come with all these features turned on, and you have to ask to turn them off. So, rather than make a slightly cheaper plan available with fewer services, they have you pay the full package and then have you request to make your plan less useful at the same full price.
The reason they don't offer other plans with the services already blocked is because they make too much money from people accidentally using those services.
I agree. One time, I was exploring the features of my wife's new pay-as-you-go phone. After trying out other parts like "Games" and "Contacts", I went to "Web", thinking it would bring me to something like "This is your first time accessing the web on this phone... would you like a tour?" Nope, went straight to the "browser" and loaded up some page. I quickly left that and discovered that I got charged $1.00 for the first phone call of the day (which is typical) and then got charged for the data downloaded.
So, a slip of the thumb could easily cost you a few bucks. Lovely...
That would make sense if Google wrote all of the code themselves. However, they used many off-the-shelf, open-source tools to perform their data collection.
The defaults in those tools is to grab all the frames. So, the guy who put together the tools (who probably was not a privacy-minded person) says "It works great! We have the data that we want, see?" and shows the finished product to his boss. The boss, who might have been more privacy-minded, probably looked at the finished product and saw no personal information, and gave it a checkmark. Completely missing the intermediate data product that no one was using.
When I originally heard about the media outlets associated with Vortex2, I thought, "Good, now people will see how much effort and knowledge goes into chasing safely, and people will realize that they should get to safety around these storms." I think that was the original rational. As another poster stated, showing a snake handler on TV doesn't encourage many people to handle snakes, why should showing storm chasing on TV encourage others to chase? People are just weird, I guess.
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Don't bother... it is another example of (bad) selective editing. The clip ends before Kagan finished her response, hence the apparent 'difficulty' with responding. Yeah, I would have difficulty responding in a video clip if the clip ended too soon.
This is so true. Back in my high school days, we had some bomb threats that got called in to the school. Then a couple of students "came forward" and accused another student of calling it in and planning an actual event (this was shortly after Columbine). The student was arrested and everyone in the town heard about this. It was front page news in local newspapers for a few weeks.
After a few weeks, I hadn't heard anything new and the whole thing slipped from my memory. A few years later, I read in the local paper that the student had committed suicide because of him being constantly ostracized by the town. Turns out that he was cleared of all charges, but this was never announced in the media and most people in my town still thought he did it. When confronted, he would tell people that he was cleared, but most people didn't believe him because his credibility was destroyed by the original media coverage. There was no trial verdict for him to point to since it never went to trial.
Although, it does require that they are educated about the implications of their choices, but that is hoping for too much...
Meh, I have always preferred RPM anyway, even with its faults. It seems that apt is a little too paranoid while rpm is a little too lax. If you are still having issues, I believe doing a forced remove should completely remove postfix from the database and then allow you to reinstall it, but I am hardly an expert with apt/deb.
That issue was fixed in 9.10. The MySQL daemon wasn't fully converted over to Upstart.
I'm currently still seeing it in 10.04LTS, after doing something very simple and reasonable that selinux would have been able to handle with no problem. So the "solution" of apparmor being easier still didn't solve anything - I just lost the power of Selinux, and traded it for something that hangs updates. Because hey, after all, if I'm installing mysql-server then OBVIOUSLY i want it to start during the install process, right? And replacing init with Upstart, when it is no where near ready for production use even now several releases later, was a bad move. Mysql is a very basic thing to want to have working on a average, run-of-the-mill, lowend server; ie, the Ubuntu Server target audience. What sort of testing occurred?
It was fixed, but it appears that it broke again (possibly due to some sort of typo in the upstart script, if I understand it correctly). There is an update going out right now to fix this. Please check to see if it solves your issue.
And it was also just an example. Maybe you can explain why this bug still exists? Does Canonical think that using ldaps to auth a machine is unimportant? And that's as a *client*, so that means Ubuntu can't be used as a workstation OS where ldaps is in use, unless you do something like I suggested in comment #91.
Well, that isn't my area of expertise, and the issue doesn't seem to be a blanket "LDAP does work", but rather a particular combination of issues breaks LDAP. But, I could be mis-understanding it, though.
This is the sort of thing that happens when people do feature updates downstream without submitting upstream; Canonical has intentionally fostered a culture of people not doing the right thing (kudos for you for not being among them) with code changes, and as a result has created their own divergent forks that they now have to continuously spend time remerging with their proprietary changes.
Yes, the Ubuntu community has shot from the hip fairly often and just made changes without working them back upstream. Maybe this comes from the mindset that developed while they work on making extensive changes to the desktop and not have those changes accepted back upstream (because the changes weren't mature enough)? Well, we as a community have been working to change that mindset for the past year (at least, I have seen it this way) and are really trying to get developers to think about the upstream more and to improve workflows to make this easier and more reliable.
I do agree that we need better testing and QA. RedHat has an extensive build testing system and has worked hard to develop good release practices and checklists. I would like to see Canonical do the same.
Silly AC... don't you know that they are *all* in the gas companies' pockets?
Mod parent up. This is exactly the point that needs to be made. No one in their right minds are saying that gas cars needs to be completely eliminated. However, for many people, electric cars make a lot of sense. However, misconceptions are hurting the market penetration. I would love to see Ford, GM, Toyota, etc, show commercials of electric cars driving around a city, looking stylish and neat. I would be curious to see what the demand for them are after such an advertising blitz.
Well, if the 60+ mile trip is rare enough, then rent the gas powered car as needed. If you make 60+ mile trips often enough, then an electric car doesn't make sense for you (yet). Just like anything else in life, use the tool that fits the job.
Saying that Julian Assange "runs" WikiLeaks is a little simplistic. While he does act as a sort of Editor-In-Chief, he primarily serves as a spokesman for the organization. Honestly, to be the public face for a website like that takes balls, and I would certainly act to make sure the content that is released is good before putting my balls on the line.
Wait a minute... Giligan's Island is on Hulu?! Awesome! Best... Thread... Ever...
You might be thinking of sandstorms, which are huge and they last for days and weeks. The main problem they present is that they significantly reduce the amount of sunlight the solar panels receive.
When you have market share, you can then start to dictate your own terms. If Canonical can make Linux on the desktop more viable and attractive to end users and can build a respectable audience, then software and hardware makers will have to take notice. Until then, we have to play on their own terms. Those terms are to either accept their proprietary crap (if available), and/or develop our own open-source drivers and software.
I agree with you in principle, but I just have to face the reality of the situation.
Why is it that when I do a ctrl-C when "start mysql" hangs, Upstart thinks mysql is now running?
That issue was fixed in 9.10. The MySQL daemon wasn't fully converted over to Upstart.
Then there's the minor detail that Ubuntu doesn't submit upstream patches to things; they just change stuff, and put the source on their own tree.
Actually, it is currently standard policy for the BugSquad to report the bug upstream. A bug report can not be marked as "Triaged" until a bug report has been filed upstream or the bug has been identified as Ubuntu-specific.
Now, you may have a point that there are people who seem to spend time doing development work on projects downstream rather than upstream. But you would have to ask those individuals why they do so. Personally, I work both upstream and downstream (for both Ubuntu and Fedora). YMMV.
Got a video on the government website you like? Well, kiss it goodbye, because the odds are that said government agency can't afford to close caption it (close captioning isn't cheap). That means they'll just have to pull it and no one will get to see it.
It is also perfectly acceptable to make available a simple transcript, which is significantly cheaper because it doesn't involve setting up timings and such. This is a lot like having ALT tags for images, which should now be considered standard web etiquette.
but, he didn't want to disturb everybody, just the world.
Right! Because either it will, or it won't! Ergo, 50-50!
Mod parent up! Damn, I just spent all my mod points on another thread. I can't tell you the number of times I had to get this fact straight with people.
You know, it is still possible to write bad code in Python... I use these packages on a daily basis, and while I wouldn't use them for production-level numerical weather prediction system, I do use it for data processing and such. There have been times when I wrote the code poorly and the code ran slowly, but as I learned Python and embraced the language (weaning myself away from C), I found myself writing faster programs. Which high-level language features do you think are lacking? I particularly like list comprehensions and the function argument syntax (positional and keyword-based).
Someone check the temperature in Hell!
So, you take the marketing hype as what the scientific field believes the rate of progress will be, and then complain when the scientists don't meet the hype? I, for one, enjoy seeing these articles to see where the boundaries of technology are, and automatically filter out the marketing hype. If you don't want to hear about developments in high-tech research, then don't come to Slashdot or Engadget.
Blocking is not sold, it is a free "service". Literally, it is just a True/False flag on your account. The plans come with all these features turned on, and you have to ask to turn them off. So, rather than make a slightly cheaper plan available with fewer services, they have you pay the full package and then have you request to make your plan less useful at the same full price.
The reason they don't offer other plans with the services already blocked is because they make too much money from people accidentally using those services.
I agree. One time, I was exploring the features of my wife's new pay-as-you-go phone. After trying out other parts like "Games" and "Contacts", I went to "Web", thinking it would bring me to something like "This is your first time accessing the web on this phone... would you like a tour?" Nope, went straight to the "browser" and loaded up some page. I quickly left that and discovered that I got charged $1.00 for the first phone call of the day (which is typical) and then got charged for the data downloaded.
So, a slip of the thumb could easily cost you a few bucks. Lovely...
That would make sense if Google wrote all of the code themselves. However, they used many off-the-shelf, open-source tools to perform their data collection.
The defaults in those tools is to grab all the frames. So, the guy who put together the tools (who probably was not a privacy-minded person) says "It works great! We have the data that we want, see?" and shows the finished product to his boss. The boss, who might have been more privacy-minded, probably looked at the finished product and saw no personal information, and gave it a checkmark. Completely missing the intermediate data product that no one was using.
When I originally heard about the media outlets associated with Vortex2, I thought, "Good, now people will see how much effort and knowledge goes into chasing safely, and people will realize that they should get to safety around these storms." I think that was the original rational. As another poster stated, showing a snake handler on TV doesn't encourage many people to handle snakes, why should showing storm chasing on TV encourage others to chase? People are just weird, I guess.