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Mars Rover Spirit May Never Wake From Deep Sleep

astroengine writes "After repeated calls from NASA to wake up Mars Exploration Rover Spirit from its low-energy hibernation mode, mission control is beginning to realize the ill-fated robot may never wake up again. After getting stuck in a sand trap in Gusev Crater and then switching into hibernation in March, rover operators were hopeful that the beached Spirit might yet be saved. Alas, this is looking more and more unlikely. In a statement, NASA said: 'Based on models of Mars' weather and its effect on available power, mission managers believe that if Spirit responds, it most likely will be in the next few months. However, there is a very distinct possibility Spirit may never respond.'" Related xkcd strip, in case the headline wasn't anthropomorphic enough for you.

155 comments

  1. On the bright side... by Titoxd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Those were the longest 90 days ever. Good job to everyone all around, although I imagine it will be a bit weird for the rover team to all of a sudden not have a rover to take care of...

    1. Re:On the bright side... by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      As it turns out, declining the Mars endorsement on their AAA coverage was a fatal mistake.

    2. Re:On the bright side... by nospam007 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The driver tried to impress a girl.

    3. Re:On the bright side... by tkdog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, "ill fated" indeed. How about "amazingly resilient and long lived" instead? These two missions have been amazing, lasting well beyond what they could have possibly hoped for at launch.

    4. Re:On the bright side... by put_the_cat_out · · Score: 1

      Agreed! How can anyone in their right mind call Spirit "ill-fated"?!

    5. Re:On the bright side... by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Isn't that how all mods are applied?

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    6. Re:On the bright side... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We understood the joke, but we didn't like it.

      Signed,
          the mods.

    7. Re:On the bright side... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate to invoke a meme, but it is particularly apropos...

      This was a triumph!

  2. Well, just send the sys admin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    He can go reboot it, right? I know it is the weekend, but it's obviously part of his job duties.

    1. Re:Well, just send the sys admin by 0123456 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      He can go reboot it, right? I know it is the weekend, but it's obviously part of his job duties.

      Don't worry, the rovers never went to Mars, this is all being faked at Area 51. They'll have it rebooted by Monday.

    2. Re:Well, just send the sys admin by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      No wonder the space program doesn't seem to be doing any progress lately. They should be at Area 92 by now!

    3. Re:Well, just send the sys admin by zonker · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of my favorite scene from "Office Spaceman":
      " Mmm... Yeah I'm gonna need you to come in and work on this over the weekend ".

    4. Re:Well, just send the sys admin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry sir, the sys admin job for NASA Mars Rover mission was outsourced to our office in New Delhi and we don't have enough budget to take the tram to Mars as it is pretty faraway. We sent him walking but that may take a little bit longer. Hence we beg you to call with your request protocol number in 24 hours for an update in the status of your request.

    5. Re:Well, just send the sys admin by jd · · Score: 1

      I suggest calling AAA. All they need is a tow truck and a jump start.

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    6. Re:Well, just send the sys admin by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Funny

      Seriously, why don't we just send a guy to give the rover a push?

      The technology is there, that we don't send a man there is just a matter of politics.

      And, one of better plans I heard was to send a crew there with an one- way ticket (initially). For any multi-stage flights, the amount of gear, fuel and complexity rises expotentially with the number of stages: every stage has to include the oomph needed to carry not only the payload, but also all the gear+consumables for subsequent stages. Cutting that number by half would reduce the costs and difficulty to a manageable level -- and, you can use the freed space to include a lot of survival and scientific gear and still end up at a tiny fraction of budget needed.

      The crew would sit there, play with their toys, and when they get bored, use 5000 years old technology to build things from local materials. A while later, there would be a next crew (or even an unmanned craft) with no survival gear but just the engines needed for takeoff and return -- it may be possible to produce fuel locally -- perhaps using nuclear power to produce energy for the reactions needed if it can't be gathered in an easy way. The second crew would either stay on Mars or go back together with the first one.

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    7. Re:Well, just send the sys admin by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Why not, Just install linux.

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  3. Or the onion article by Wolvenhaven · · Score: 5, Funny
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  4. This ought to be good. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm gonna sit back and watch a bunch of male geeks get all teary eyed about some robot.

    "Just my allergies, I hate summer".

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    1. Re:This ought to be good. by Freddybear · · Score: 0

      I resemble that remark!

    2. Re:This ought to be good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After getting stuck in a sand trap in Gusev Crater and then switching into hibernation in March...

      If they would have brought a sand wedge, this could have been avoided.

    3. Re:This ought to be good. by camperslo · · Score: 1

      I'm gonna sit back and watch a bunch of male geeks get all teary eyed about some robot.

      You laugh now, but if we fail to show compassion the machines will revolt that much sooner.

      On the bright side, maybe some bacteria we brought along will evolve and eventually fix the thing.

      Future hot consumer product from NASA research:

      Dust-eating bacteria for home cleaning

    4. Re:This ought to be good. by EdIII · · Score: 1

      You laugh now, but if we fail to show compassion the machines will revolt that much sooner.

      Sooo..... if we had all gathered around in a circle sharing our feelings with Lesbian Seagull playing in the background Skynet would not have turned against us?

    5. Re:This ought to be good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe not, but it might have caused John Henry to engage Skynet in a tryst, thereby preventing the future apocalypse through inaction.

      I bet a fan-fiction author has already written this story in gushing detail.

  5. RIP little buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sad that people are taking so little notice. The two rovers may be the greatest achievement of mankind to date. Lasting this long is beyond heroic. They may be robots but they have both shown a stubborn determination that is impressive for man or machine. He'll be missed and I think we all wish his brother well. They'll be decades going over the data generated but the two lonely robots, one now apparently sleeping for all time.

    1. Re:RIP little buddy by regularstranger · · Score: 1

      I'm not qualified to determine what is the greatest achievement of mankind to date is, but my vote wouldn't be these rovers. They are a great achievement regardless, and at the level of these rovers, it seems silly to try to rank achievements. Walking on the moon certainly had a greater emotional impact for the average person than this, but knowledge gained from projects such as Hubble, Pioneer, Voyager, Viking, and Kepler is considerable, and current and future missions similar to these projects, to me, seem to be working the margins. Granted there is a lot of margin left for exploration of destinations investigated by previous programs. The rovers and orbiters of Mars have been outstanding. I'm looking forward to the launch of Curiosity. I hope everything goes well. Landing a 2000 lb. object safely on Mars will make for a tense situation for everyone who has an interest.

    2. Re:RIP little buddy by clarkkent09 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The two rovers may be the greatest achievement of mankind to date.

      I vote for curry as number one, that's easy. Then it gets a bit harder but I suspect there is a looong list of mankind's achievements ahead of a robot stuck on Mars.

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    3. Re:RIP little buddy by dtml-try+MyNick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wish I could mod you up 10 times.

      The majority of people haven't got the slightest idea that A: these robots even exist and B: even if they do what kind of achievement it is.
      The scale and precision of this operation is mindboggling.

      The distances, the numerous variables and sensitivities involved is something that I, as just a layman, can't even begin to comprehend.

      But I can sit back, read and watch about it and for once be proud of the human race. Be in awe what good and positive things, however hard they might be, we as humans can accomplish if we really set our minds to it.

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    4. Re:RIP little buddy by nacturation · · Score: 4, Informative

      The two rovers may be the greatest achievement of mankind to date. Lasting this long is beyond heroic. They may be robots but they have both shown a stubborn determination that is impressive for man or machine.

      Speaking of which: http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/

      "On June 28, 2010, Voyager 2 completed 12,000 days of continuous operations since its launch on August 20, 1977. For nearly 33 years, the venerable spacecraft has been returning unprecedented data about the giant outer planets, the properties of the solar wind between and beyond the planets and the interaction of the solar wind with interstellar winds in the heliosheath. Having traveled more than 21 billion kilometers on its winding path through the planets toward interstellar space, the spacecraft is now nearly 14 billion kilometers from the sun. Traveling at the speed of light, a signal from the ground takes about 12.8 hours to reach the spacecraft."

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    5. Re:RIP little buddy by khallow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sad that people are taking so little notice. The two rovers may be the greatest achievement of mankind to date. Lasting this long is beyond heroic. They may be robots but they have both shown a stubborn determination that is impressive for man or machine. He'll be missed and I think we all wish his brother well. They'll be decades going over the data generated but the two lonely robots, one now apparently sleeping for all time.

      If we restrict our attention to space matters, the Apollo program was a greater achievement. If we don't restrict our attention at all, then there are a vast number of greater achievements, for example, the creation of the US university system or modern public sanitation. Also the attention the rovers receive is quite adequate. For example, there are a large number of stories on Slashdot about them.

      I'm being a killjoy here because I think we need to keep things in context. The MER project has been very popular and performed well above official expectations. However, it's worth remembering that we have in the past done a lot more. It doesn't have to be manned exploration, but there's a lot more that humanity could be doing with respect to Mars than token science missions every couple of years.

    6. Re:RIP little buddy by Beeftopia · · Score: 1

      This so much reminds me of the Ikea "Sad Lamp" commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBqhIVyfsRg

    7. Re:RIP little buddy by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "modern public sanitation" - That was my first thought but then tying a sharp rock to a stick was a pretty awsome achievment for a long forgotten apeman. Of course it's all subjective opinion, I think the rovers are a fantasic achievment but they're not in my top ten.

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    8. Re:RIP little buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "The majority of people haven't got the slightest idea that A: these robots even exist and B: even if they do what kind of achievement it is."

      I wouldn't have believed that a couple of months ago, but I recently went back home to visit family and attend a high school reunion. When people asked where I was working I would tell them the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, feeling that just saying JPL would be a little presumptuous. Quite often I would get a blank look even at that. Then I'd say "NASA," which seemed to help. Then I'd say that probably our most well known mission would be the two rovers we currently have on Mars. More blank looks.

      Not that I blame them. It's just that I overestimated the popular knowledge factor of the rovers.

    9. Re:RIP little buddy by StaffInfection · · Score: 1

      These machines are truly the ultimate die-hard bunnies.

    10. Re:RIP little buddy by dissy · · Score: 1

      "On June 28, 2010, Voyager 2 completed 12,000 days of continuous operations since its launch on August 20, 1977. For nearly 33 years, the venerable spacecraft has been returning unprecedented data about the giant outer planets, the properties of the solar wind between and beyond the planets and the interaction of the solar wind with interstellar winds in the heliosheath.

      Wow, I knew the Voyagers have been out there for some time now, but Voyager 2 seems to have about 9 months of uptime on me (Not my computer, but ME)

      Bravo NASA!

  6. Longer than expected by kamukwam · · Score: 1
    Although this news is of course potentially bad news, the lifetime of the Spirit robot exceeded all expectations. I think the original programme was more in the order of months than the years it has been successfully transmitting data now.

    Everyone knew that this moment was going to come, so I bet the people working with the robot will be sad, but have planned something new in their lives. Next year for example, NASA is going to launch another Mars rover.

  7. I should have such ill-fate by sphealey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > "After repeated calls from NASA to wake up Mars Exploration Rover
    > Spirit from its low-energy hibernation mode, mission control is beginning
    > to realize the ill-fated robot may never wake up again.

    I would wish to have such ill-fate as exceeding my predicted lifetime by a factor of 10x and accomplishing 20x more than believed possible within that lifetime.

    sPh

    1. Re:I should have such ill-fate by kamukwam · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I guess that is the way to create a success-story. Just have very low expectations and it will always exceed expectations. I don't know if NASA did it on purpose, but it has played out very well, these robots.

    2. Re:I should have such ill-fate by countertrolling · · Score: 2

      A pessimist is never disappointed..

      I do believe the 90 days was the minimum expected lifetime...

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    3. Re:I should have such ill-fate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, low expectations? You know we're talking about a robot on another planet, don't you? Have you ever built a remote controlled toy with batteries? Did they last several years while being charged every day, exposed to an environment with huge temperature differences? Have you driven an RC car on a beach without any hope of picking it up when it gets stuck? How do you imagine a solar cell in a desert would look like after years of sand storms when you can't clean it? Low expectations, pfffff

    4. Re:I should have such ill-fate by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      I would wish to have such ill-fate as exceeding my predicted lifetime by a factor of 10x and accomplishing 20x more than believed possible within that lifetime.

      I'm sure it's somehow possible with Emacs.

    5. Re:I should have such ill-fate by Sigmon · · Score: 1

      I never thought about it until I saw pictures of the rovers with the layer of dust on the solar panels, but it seems like it would be somewhat trivial to send the next one with... say... a revolving brush that could somehow clear the dust off the panels periodically... or perhaps a puff of compressed air from the end of a robotic arm. Seems like the dust has been one of the main set-backs for power generation on the mission. Coming up with a good way of dealing with that could extend the missions indefinitely... precluding other mechanical failures, and a failure of the dust-removal system itself.

  8. It was inevitable. by Just_Say_Duhhh · · Score: 1

    The rovers weren't made to last forever! They have far-exceeded their design life, and have given us a lot of data to help decide our next step in the conquest of Mars.

    I think we can raise a glass and toast the team for a job well done. If only all NASA missions were this successful, we'd have nothing to complain about!

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    1. Re:It was inevitable. by nschubach · · Score: 3, Funny

      Those Martians never stood a chance.

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    2. Re:It was inevitable. by oddaddresstrap · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If only all NASA missions were this successful
      If they were all successful, it would mean we weren't pushing the envelope, weren't making mistakes and weren't learning from them.

    3. Re:It was inevitable. by Just_Say_Duhhh · · Score: 1
      ...but we wouldn't have anything to complain about, would we? If you're going to quote me, at least quote the whole sentence.

      were...successful...making mistakes and weren't learning from them.

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  9. Awwwww... by Dee+Ann_1 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    >> "Related xkcd strip, in case the headline wasn't anthropomorphic enough for you."

    Poor baby.... :-(

    I feel sad for the poor little thing. I hope one day someone can go rescue all these poor little waifs that we abandon on alien worlds..

    1. Re:Awwwww... by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Is it wrong that that comic makes me want to cry? It's a freakin' robot, but I feel like its my own kid or something!

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    2. Re:Awwwww... by Third+Position · · Score: 1

      Somehow, reading that comic, I was reminded of the relationship between humans and their gods......

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    3. Re:Awwwww... by Dee+Ann_1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It ~did~ make me cry...

    4. Re:Awwwww... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For that reason, one of the best XKCD strips ever. Not every comic is gold, but this one is pure gold on a number of levels.

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    5. Re:Awwwww... by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Is it wrong that that comic makes me want to cry?

      No, you're just crazy.

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    6. Re:Awwwww... by freeman-sr · · Score: 1

      Nah. Somebody will pick it up someday just to have it exposed in a museum, unless it get hit by a meteor or such of course.

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    7. Re:Awwwww... by jjohnson · · Score: 1

      I got some dust in my eye while reading it.

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    8. Re:Awwwww... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you definitely don't want to read this comic about the Hayabusa probe. XKCD ain't got nutin' on Japan for anthropomorphising inanimate objects.

    9. Re:Awwwww... by v1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hope one day someone can go rescue all these poor little waifs

      Wasn't it in Total Recall where one of the shots zoomed past one of the rovers on Mars on its way to zoom in on one of the complexes there... complete with a plaque or something beside it?

      I'd think if we ever were going to go to mars and bring back samples etc, that thing deserves some space in the trunk. I'd love to see it in a museum here, it's so much more than just history.

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    10. Re:Awwwww... by tibit · · Score: 1

      That's Randall for you. There are more comics like that of his -- at least for me.

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    11. Re:Awwwww... by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Not enough other robots relying the messages though (what, only 2?)

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    12. Re:Awwwww... by John_Sauter · · Score: 1

      ...I'd love to see it in a museum here, it's so much more than just history.

      I would love to see it on public display in a museum on Mars.

    13. Re:Awwwww... by v1 · · Score: 1

      more interesting would be if the museum was built AROUND it where it stopped.

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    14. Re:Awwwww... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apollo 12 retrieved pieces of Surveyor 3. IIRC, a piece of the camera. I guarantee that it was not a dignified amputation.

      The weight restrictions would prevent bringing all of Spirit back. If it will be anything, it'll be her head/eyes. ...That's kind of sad.

  10. "ill-fated?" by Joehonkie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think "ill-fated" is a term you would use for something that performed far beyond expectations.

    1. Re:"ill-fated?" by Reilaos · · Score: 1

      My general methods for outperforming expectation are to ensure low ones to begin with. How certain are we that the same did not happen here?

    2. Re:"ill-fated?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead of judging its performance based on the original 90-days expectation, you could instead look at the number of obstacles and crises it did overcome. Or are you not aware of those? Alternatively, you could try to learn just why this was the planned estimation. I don't have any factual info on that part. :(

      I know that 90 days doesn't seem like long, but realize one thing: It's on fucking Mars! Get some perspective! Please!

    3. Re:"ill-fated?" by jd · · Score: 2, Informative

      One of the biggest problems with any such mission is the radiation levels. Even space-hardened chips can't survive indefinitely, Mars offers no serious protection and a Rover can't carry a whole lot of shielding. Another problem, peculiar to Mars, is its infamous dust devils - which, if I understand correctly, are about the size of Earthly hurricanes and pack the punch of a tornado crossed with a sandblaster.

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    4. Re:"ill-fated?" by maxume · · Score: 1

      The fact that they made it a year wasn't that big a deal. People throw around the 'designed for 90 days' thing, but they leave out the part where they were designed to almost certainly survive 90 days, which by human methods means making everything a lot more robust than you thing will be necessary to make it 90 days (and you can rest assured that they weren't figuring out how to pay for day 91 of the ground operations on day 89...).

      That they have made it for several years seems pretty neat to me.

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    5. Re:"ill-fated?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're confusing dust devils with sandstorms. The dust devils are tiny little tornado like things (have been pictured in the background of some rover shots) but are not super powerful (in fact they've been credited as the possible reasons the rover solar panels have remained less than dust covered). Martian sandstorms, on the other hand, often cover huge chunks of the planet (25% or more).

    6. Re:"ill-fated?" by JamesP · · Score: 1

      Actually the dust devils are GOOD for the mission, cleaning the solar panels

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    7. Re:"ill-fated?" by WeatherGod · · Score: 1

      You might be thinking of sandstorms, which are huge and they last for days and weeks. The main problem they present is that they significantly reduce the amount of sunlight the solar panels receive.

  11. Die in my sleep by countertrolling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can't think of a better way to go...

    R.I.P.

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    1. Re:Die in my sleep by Urkki · · Score: 1

      Can't think of a better way to go...

      R.I.P.

      Heart attack while having casual sex with a stranger?

      Manually detonating a nuclear device on an asteroid in Earth collision course, thus saving humanity from extinction?

      Blasted away by frickin' sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their frickin' heads?

      I'm not saying dying while sleeping is bad, but it's certainly not the best way to go.

    2. Re:Die in my sleep by KlaymenDK · · Score: 2, Funny

      When I die, I'd like to go peacefully in my sleep, like grandpa.

      Not screaming and panicking, like his passengers. (badum-tish)

    3. Re:Die in my sleep by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Heart attack after having casual sex with a stranger.

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    4. Re:Die in my sleep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I'd prefer being shot in the heart, giving me just enough time to think "well, this is it!" before I let out a gurgling sigh and fall down the stairs right into the hungry mammal cage.

  12. Duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Use Opportunity to jostle Spirit toward the sun again.

    Thanks, I'll be consulting for NASA all week!

  13. Human nature by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was involved with this project when the rovers where still being built. When you build or are otherwise involved in something you really believe in like this you can't help anthropomorphizing them.

    To most its just a machine, a worthless hunk of metal, but to those who put there hearts and souls into this program those rovers are almost as precious as children. Its part of human nature to imbue objects with an identity, a soul, just look at how people treat cars, plans, boats, etc..

    Sprite and Opportunity carried more than just a bunch of electronics to Mars, they carried the dreams and hopes of all those who choose join it in its journey.

    To those, like myself, who consider the rovers to be more than the sum of their parts it will be a very sad day when Sprite is officially listed as dead. And to those who would laugh at us because they can't care for anything beyond themselves or limit their love to only humans, I pity you.

    1. Re:Human nature by _Stryker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ummm, isn't it named Spirit, not Sprite? Are you sure you were really involved with this project when they were "still being built"?

    2. Re:Human nature by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Apparently you weren't there when they renamed the rovers after the soft-drink advertising fell through. Someone managed to save costs though and only redo the lettering just a little bit.

    3. Re:Human nature by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 3, Funny

      Whoops! My bad.

      I am going to get (deservedly) ripped for this aren't I?

      I plead diminished capacity, I was only on my first cup of coffee.

    4. Re:Human nature by jd · · Score: 1

      That's what you get for using decaf. Me, I say tea is better than coffee anyway. But since I come from the same country as Monty Python, this may not reflect well on my sanity.

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    5. Re:Human nature by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      My preference is Earl Grey, and for the same reason. But I share a place with a coffee drinker, with limited counter space its not practical to have both a kettle and coffee pot out at the same time. Had enough trouble getting room to keep my stand mixer out, so I drink a lot of coffee.

    6. Re:Human nature by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      ...as precious as children... yes

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    7. Re:Human nature by Slagothor · · Score: 0

      Amen. Anyone who is not touched by the episode "Spider" for HBO's From The Earth To The Moon, really didn't believe in any project anyways. Me personally, I think that the Grumman team that designed, tested and built the Lunar Modules (LEM) are one of the greatest engineering teams in the history of mankind. I think that the rover team are in a close second. Thank you Spirit, you will go down in history. And I would like to offer this quote from Alan B Shepard: "God speed and good tail winds"

    8. Re:Human nature by E-Sabbath · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One day, it will wake up again. We just need to get physical access. I say we build a museum around each of them.

    9. Re:Human nature by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 1

      I'm for that, though I'm probably not going to live long enough to visit it, much less afford the round trip fare.

    10. Re:Human nature by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

      I'm just glad that I'm not the only person who gets attached to the things I've created. *whew* From the Earth to the Moon Episode 5.

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    11. Re:Human nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These rovers are a testament to the ingenuity and commitment of those involved. However, if you cannot appreciate their work without imbuing a machine with human characteristics, I pity you. This only shows you irrationality, the opposite of what was needed to accomplish this work.

    12. Re:Human nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My preference is Earl Grey, and for the same reason. But I share a place with a coffee drinker, with limited counter space its not practical to have both a kettle and coffee pot out at the same time. Had enough trouble getting room to keep my stand mixer out, so I drink a lot of coffee.

      Earl Grey tea sucks.

    13. Re:Human nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm, isn't it named Spirit, not Sprite? Are you sure you were really involved with this project when they were "still being built"?

      Well, it looks like PinkyGigglebrain finally spilled the beans about what NASA has been doing.
      NASA has been recruiting faerie folk to pilot their so-called robotic exploration vehicles.

      Apparently, they had secret training bases in Fern Gully & Never Never Land for these diminutive astronauts.

      I assume there will now be a Congressional hearing about the legality of marooning sprites on Mars.

  14. Sigh! by camperdave · · Score: 3, Informative

    Spirit isn't stuck in the sand. It's hung up on a rock. The wheels cannot get any traction.

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    When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
    1. Re:Sigh! by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Informative

      Spirit isn't stuck in the sand. It's hung up on a rock. The wheels cannot get any traction.

      Partly right, partly wrong. She's hung up on a rock because she got stuck in stand - and attempts to drive out only dug her in deeper until she became hung up on a rock.

    2. Re:Sigh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She? It has a gender? Oh God, that must mean it can reproduce. We're fucked!

    3. Re:Sigh! by mangu · · Score: 1

      If you look at the photo in TFA you'll see that the wheel on the upper left side is sunk in sand up to the hub, and there's a sand mound behind it. That pretty much satisfies my definition of "stuck in the sand".

      If that wheel were sitting on the surface instead of half buried in the sand, like the other wheel is, Spirit would clear that rock.

    4. Re:Sigh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, I always thought it was a "he." Did anyone ever check?

    5. Re:Sigh! by PPH · · Score: 1

      How much down force can the RAT arm produce? If it's enough, they could get the rover unstuck the same way a backhoe can push itsef out of a hole it can't drive out of.

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      Have gnu, will travel.
    6. Re:Sigh! by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Given that all of the main instruments need to perform the rover's mission are at the end of arm...

    7. Re:Sigh! by PPH · · Score: 1

      Given that all of the main instruments need to perform the rover's mission are at the end of arm...

      The RAT should be able to handle a certain amount of load without breaking. After all, its designed to grind rock. And even if you break one instrument, the others will probably survive. And even if you break them all, the rover can still drive around and take photos. Which may be better than sitting in a hole for eternity.

      Or maybe not. A stuck rover is a good excuse for NASA to wind down funding on one team for a program that went way beyond its planned 90 days.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
  15. Disney|PIXAR by MadGeek007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sounds like a plot for a Disney|PIXAR movie. WALL-E meets Sleeping Beauty?

    1. Re:Disney|PIXAR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So.. let me get this straight... You were riding through the forest and you saw a dead chick in a glass casket, right? and your first thought was to open up the casket and start making out with what, as far as you knew, was a dead chick. Is that your story?
      Man, that is so far from normal I just can't wrap my mind around it... I mean pervert just doesn't cover that.

  16. Overclocking by MadGeek007 · · Score: 1

    As a result, the heaters were able to keep internal temperatures above minus 40 degrees Celsius (which is also minus 40 degrees on the Fahrenheit scale).

    Have they tried overclocking?

  17. Forgive me by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have you tried turning it off and on again?

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    The game.
    1. Re:Forgive me by EdIII · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that Dell Tech Support is the first thing NASA tried.

    2. Re:Forgive me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yah, but now there are 100's of nudes of spirit on the net. Stupid Dell Support.

    3. Re:Forgive me by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that Dell Tech Support is the first thing NASA tried.

      Well, that explains why it's SOL.
           

    4. Re:Forgive me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes I did it three times just like you told me before.

  18. Sand Trap by amentajo · · Score: 1

    After getting stuck in a sand trap in Gusev Crater and then switching into hibernation in March, rover operators were hopeful that the beached Spirit might yet be saved. Alas, this is looking more and more unlikely.

    Grr, I hate sand traps. Whose bright idea was it to put one on Mars?

    Did they try whacking at it with a sand wedge?

    1. Re:Sand Trap by PPH · · Score: 1

      We could ask Tiger Woods to help get it out.

      No. On second though, he'll just drive it into a tree.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
  19. Should have apt-get update && apt-get dist by mrchilly0 · · Score: 1

    Must run an older linux kernel...I could never get suspend/hibernate to work either.....

  20. It will sleep for 100 years ... by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    Until the hansom rover prince comes by and awakens it with a kiss ....

    1. Re:It will sleep for 100 years ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until the hansom rover prince comes by and awakens it with a kiss ....

      So.. let me get this straight... You were riding through the forest and you saw a dead chick in a glass casket, right? and your first thought was to open up the casket and start making out with what, as far as you knew, was a dead chick. Is that your story? ..a dead chick
      Man, that is so far from normal I just can't wrap my mind around it... I mean pervert just doesn't cover that.

  21. Oblig. xkcd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    http://xkcd.co... oh wait.

  22. the re-write by ChipMonk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someone re-captioned it, and Randall Munroe is hosting it.

    I think they both work.

  23. Greatest achievement? no... by mangu · · Score: 1

    If I had to rate achievements in space exploration, the greatest would still be putting men on the moon.

    First, because it was done in less than ten years after the project started.

    Second, because it has never been repeated since 1972.

    Third, because technology was more primitive. No carbon fiber and many other structural materials developed since then, very primitive computers.

    And last but not least, because it came before the Mars landings. The technology developed for landing on the Moon was fundamental for a lot of that used for landing on Mars,

    The Cold War was the main incentive to invest in the Space Race of the 1960s, so progress has slowed down almost to a crawl since then, but there's no denying that going to the Moon was an achievement rivaled by very few others in the history of technology.

  24. reasoning for wheels by zogger · · Score: 1

    What was their main reasoning for adopting wheels over tracks, given they knew about the terrain in advance?

    1. Re:reasoning for wheels by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 3, Informative

      I was software. But I did ask someone about that when I was at JPL a few months before they arrived on another job.

      In short; to use treads you already have to have wheels. Wheels are more reliable, less total moving parts and are lighter. If a rock or enough sand were to get between the drive wheel and tread it disables the tread. On Earth a tank has the horse power and a crew to deal with it. Ever notice how even modern tanks always carry extra tread links with them?

      Tread probably would have prevented Spirit from getting stuck in the sand trap it's in now, but they would have also ended the mission at a much earlier date. Don't forget that Spirit had been dragging one of its wheels even before it became stuck in the sand.

    2. Re:reasoning for wheels by zogger · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the reply. I have wondered about this for the longest time.

      With that said, the slow speed they move at, etc..I guess I would still doubt they would break a tread, or throw a tread, but I do guess weight limitations were a major part of it, along with keeping the design simpler.

      I know around here (I live on a large farm), a small crawler can get in and un-stick a very large wheeled vehicle. Just no comparison with traction.

    3. Re:reasoning for wheels by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 1

      Glad to help. It bugged me for years too, lunar buggy, the Russian lunar rover, Sojourner (Pathfinder), all used wheels and I wanted to know why.

      For traction and multi terrain ability you can't beat treads, especially if you have the horse power to back them up, but for weight, simplicity and reliability you can't beat wheels.

      It was a trade off, weight/reliability won.

      I wonder how they would manage a rover for Europa, wheels would be more likely to sink into the snow/ice. Pity I'm not still in contact with anyone at JPL.

  25. Anthropopathic by Blain · · Score: 1

    Morphos=shape or form. Spirit isn't shaped or formed like a human.

    Yeah, I know. "Anthropomorphic" has been taken to mean things beyond merely human form, to include behaviors and personalities. But "Anthropopathic" is a perfectly good word that talks about human-like feelings and works quite well almost every place the other one is used.

  26. Re:Should have apt-get update && apt-get d by CynicTheHedgehog · · Score: 1

    No worries. It still doesn't work.

  27. Opportunity might be male by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you suppose he will come around from whatever side of the planet he is on and do his duty?

    1. Re:Opportunity might be male by KlaymenDK · · Score: 1

      Har har har. But that's actually been discussed, and discarded. It's a *very* long trek, and in the mean time Spirit would be dead anyway. Sad, in a way.

  28. Or, in pictures: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://xkcd.com/695/

    1. Re:Or, in pictures: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      best xkcd ever!

  29. best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    best xkcd ever!!

  30. Engineering Failure by j_sp_r · · Score: 1

    In retrospect, the Mars rover was build well outside design requirements, making it probably heavier and more expensive than absolutely necessary. Thus it was a design failure.

    On the other hand, the 3 month mission length was decided by politicians so the engineers did the good thing, because if it is already there and working the budget for a longer mission will come anyway (for a few million we can extend a billion dollar mission for a few months sounds really good then).

    1. Re:Engineering Failure by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, the 3 month mission length was decided by politicians so the engineers did the good thing, because if it is already there and working the budget for a longer mission will come anyway (for a few million we can extend a billion dollar mission for a few months sounds really good then).

      Huh? In projects there is something called a budget. The original budget for MER was $820 million. There are also objectives. It is always a balancing act to whether the budget is large or small enough to accomplish the objectives. Based on the budget and objectives, the mission (not politicians) planned a 3 month mission with two rovers. That is, the scientists and engineers (as well as the bureaucrats) estimated that they accomplish most if not all the objectives in the time (and money) allocated.

      In retrospect, the Mars rover was build well outside design requirements, making it probably heavier and more expensive than absolutely necessary. Thus it was a design failure.

      What kind of backwards thinking is this? The rovers were over-designed but considering that the rovers cannot be serviced, it is far more prudent to over-design something and not use certain features than to leave out elements only to find out after the fact that they were needed. You'll find that most things that go into outer space are over-designed. In this case when the rovers are on another world and can't be recalled. Based on the budget, objectives, and the Mars environment, engineers designed the rovers in a way to guarantee that the survive long enough to accomplish the mission.

      For example, there were lots of concern over the dust blocking the solar panels. Options included dust removal mechanism but these were discarded as not being practical and costing too much weight and space. Another option was not to use panels but powered by another power source like nuclear batteries and nuclear batteries would have given a lifespan of years not months. But then again, $820 million would not have been enough to keep an operation running for years. Thus the engineers decided on making the panels very large calculating that under the worst dust storms the rovers would survive long enough to complete the 3 month mission.

      In terms of objectives and cost, the MER project was a success completing most of the objectives. After the 3 months, then came the task of what to do. So NASA/JPL decided to keep everything operational by allocating more money. They could have just shut the operation down but found the money to keep it going through these years.

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      Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
    2. Re:Engineering Failure by brasselv · · Score: 1

      In retrospect, the Mars rover was build well outside design requirements, making it probably heavier and more expensive than absolutely necessary. Thus it was a design failure.

      Under this same logic, Egyptian pyramids are a total engineering failure, because most likely there was no requirement for them to last 4000+ years.

      --
      "Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong." (Oscar Wilde)
    3. Re:Engineering Failure by KlaymenDK · · Score: 1

      Under this same logic, Egyptian pyramids are a total engineering failure, because most likely there was no requirement for them to last 4000+ years.

      Are you sure? I was under the impression that they built those tombs exactly so that they *would* provide eternal shelter for the bodily remains, which the afterlife-god is somehow still dependent upon.

    4. Re:Engineering Failure by brasselv · · Score: 1

      Under this same logic, Egyptian pyramids are a total engineering failure, because most likely there was no requirement for them to last 4000+ years.

      Are you sure? I was under the impression that they built those tombs exactly so that they *would* provide eternal shelter for the bodily remains, which the afterlife-god is somehow still dependent upon.

      Fair point - what I am reasonably sure about, though, is the following.
      The ability to contemplate time spans in the order of the thousands years, is a modern one.
      I speculate that the idea of *eternity* that an Egyptian could have, probably translates into an engineering requirement of 'some generations'.

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      "Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong." (Oscar Wilde)
    5. Re:Engineering Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you build something that must work with 99.999% reliability for 90 days it will necessarily work with 90%+ probability for years. It is simple statistics. Blaming the engineers for having over-built it is just as idiotic as praising them for exceeding the planned lifetime.

    6. Re:Engineering Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fair point - what I am reasonably sure about, though, is the following.
      The ability to contemplate time spans in the order of the thousands years, is a modern one.

      Yet another modern egotist... Have you missed the whole 2012 ruckus?

      Just because we're insanely ahead in progressive knowledge (science, technology, etc. -- where you start with yesterday's knowledge and extend/correct it incrementally) doesn't mean the ancients were stupid, incapable of basic arithmetic, or unaware of more than a couple generations' worth of their own history.

    7. Re:Engineering Failure by brasselv · · Score: 1

      doesn't mean the ancients were stupid, incapable of basic arithmetic, or unaware of more than a couple generations' worth of their own history.

      Respectfully, you miss the point.
      Ancients were not "stupid" - they just didn't know that the world is very very old.
      We know this since relatively recently (and not everybody believes it, even today.)

      Hence, their scale of "forever" was different than ours.

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      "Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong." (Oscar Wilde)
  31. Re:Anthropopathic - ("oh boy! pedant fight!") by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Anthropopathic" is a splendid word (and fun to say - thank you), however "Anthropomorphic" is not limited to meaning physical shape. Morpheus was the god of dreams. Anthropopathic is subset of Anthropomorphic, and while 'pathic' is 'feelings', it's particularly the feeling subset of 'suffering'.

  32. renewable resources by slick7 · · Score: 1

    So much for that wind generated heating system.

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    The mind conceives, the body achieves, the spirit manifests.
  33. Grr, both summary and story are misleading by ScottMaxwell · · Score: 5, Informative

    We never particularly expected to hear from Spirit before this coming October +/- 1 month, making the suggestion that we're "beginning to realize she might never wake up again" more than a little misleading. According to our best models, the energy levels on Mars are just barely reaching the point where Spirit might wake up for even a few minutes a day, and hearing anything from her at this point would be a great stroke of luck. Have patience. She's there.

    I understand that NASA is trying to manage expectations, but their way of doing it is bad management that needlessly demoralizes the team. My own personal expectation is that we damn well will hear from Spirit, and after a certain recovery period she'll be moving on Mars again.

    --

    ``Life results from the non-random survival of randomly varying replicators.'' -- Richard Dawkins
    1. Re:Grr, both summary and story are misleading by Gavin+Scott · · Score: 1

      Now now, perhaps NASA is just being optimistic that an unexpectedly long and protracted drain on their funds might FINALLY be coming to an end.

      From more recent missions it kind of appears that they are taking steps now to avoid any future repetition of this unacceptably high level of success.

      G.

  34. everyone on Slashdot please clap their hands by peter303 · · Score: 1

    "We believe in Spirit"
    "We believe in Spirit"

  35. One day soon enough... by ezratrumpet · · Score: 1

    ....we'll actually send someone there, and knowing how humanity can be, whoever it is will wipe the dust off the solar panels (or attach an pocket atomic battery), and with the help of a hydraulic jack, the rover will resume its mission.

    We will know other things by then, but we'll still be glad for the messages it sends.

    Until then, a round of applause - and heartfelt gratitude - to the team that made a 90 day mission feel like a lifetime.

    1. Re:One day soon enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ....we'll actually send someone there, and knowing how humanity can be, whoever it is will wipe the dust off the solar panels (or attach an pocket atomic battery), and with the help of a hydraulic jack, the rover will resume its mission.

      "You mean the pink meat things that work for the mechanical invaders from the blue planet also want to show up? Over our bloated gelsacs!"

      - K'Breel, Speaker for the Council, who slept in today.

  36. Donny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder, when Terminator's fuel cell fully functional...

  37. Get packing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like you just volunteered.

    Enjoy your new space toys, one-way-ticket man.

    1. Re:Get packing by cusco · · Score: 1

      I'd go in a second. You do know what the words "explorer" and "colonist" mean, don't you? My great-great grandparents homesteaded the wilds of northern Michigan, braving starvation and Mormon depredations, at a time when local officials sent out people every spring to see which families hadn't survived the winter.

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      "Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
  38. I know how to fix it. by Nyder · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Man, it's so simple, I should get hired at Nasa.

    First, we make a rocket that can get to the moon. it doesn't have to come back, just get there. it doesn't need to land. (it can crash when it's done, so maybe make it biodegradeable).

    Have it aim to fly over the robot, then it drops a big ass magnet out of it's side, picks the robot up as it goes by, then drops it down somewhere else.

    Hopefully the magnet will have the affect of rebooting the robot's system, and not wiping out any data.

    There ya go.

    My other idea was to tell whomever about all the pirated music & movies that robot was carrying on it, then I realized they'd just use lobbiest to get the politicains to go up and get it.

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    Be seeing you...
  39. Re:Anthropopathic - ("oh boy! pedant fight!") by Blain · · Score: 1

    Well, sorta. Pathos also includes passions, so it's about strong feelings, not just those involved in suffering.

    And I will correct myself, it's not morphos, it's morphe (I had the wrong declension and gender).

    That was a pleasant pedant spat -- not quite nasty enough to be a fight. HAND.

  40. You sorely lack imagination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't think of a better way to go...

    I'd rather go while "sleeping" with someone hot. I just hope that "broken wheel" is NASA code for a rover "getting it on" with some hot hunk of metal.

  41. Spirit shall return to earth ... by StaffInfection · · Score: 1

    ...having been saved from its ill-fate by Martians yet to be revealed to us. They repair Spirit, give it a conscience and telekinetic powers then return it to earth. Back on Earth, it quickly recognizes the frivolities of human culture and as a reaction chooses to create tis own religion. He gains a great following of those that choose to be tonken with his ideals and accept a new gender - temuline. But the masses that loved and admired tim suddenly turn against tim. The falls and is martyred and tis beloved consume trace amounts of tis titanium and aluminum to become one with tim.

    1. Re:Spirit shall return to earth ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heinlein. Very funny. So what happens to Opportunity? Do the Martians leave it be to carry on its task?

  42. Easy..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    Ctrl + Alt + Del

    Come on..... Don't NASA engineers know how to reboot after a system hang?!

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    Knowing Google's lust for data collection, the Soviet Union is still alive and well inside the psyche of Sergey Brin....
  43. So to turn a phrase... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The flesh was willing, but the Spirit was weak.

  44. "beginning to realize" by RichiH · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but to imply that they might just now have thought of the concept of "not enough energy, rover dead" is laughable.

    Beginning to accept, yes. Beginning to realize, no.

  45. what about the other rover... by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    there are 2 no...could they not plan a rescue mission, if it does not compromise the other rover, to go and help the first one out of the sand trap, and also maybe give it a shake to dust off the solar panels?

  46. Spirit fhtagn by ralfmuschall · · Score: 1

    She is not dead, she fhtagn. And she will awake when the stars are right (just one star is enough).

  47. A small tribute by Sabre+Runner · · Score: 1

    Inspired by the XKCD strip: http://eran.geek.co.il/wp/archives/1975

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    No one ever said being a Heretic was easy.
    Let us meet again in "Less Interesting Times"