If sufficient amount of people have been convinced of it being a threat, it begins to dictate how much of economic activity is conducted. Things like price of electricity, certain taxes and so on are paid by everyone, and the more people believe that climate change is a "current" threat rather than a threat "in a hundred years", it means you get to pay more for the same things that you could get for less yesterday. There's also availability of some products that will be severely impacted by this belief.
You seem to forget that a major part of home pricing is the availability of mortgage. When most people can't afford to pay 200.000 in whatever currency outright, homes in that place aren't priced that high.
Which is why it's "financially not foolish" to put most of the nation into debt. You increase the size of economy via home price inflation, and you ensure that your population is severely punished for ineffective economic status by loss of their home. It's a massive stick for the population and massive carrot for elites.
Which is in large part why it's not done in most of the world. Most of the world isn't stable enough to the point where elites can count on population not rising up and fucking them to death with bayonettes when things go south in the economy. When people don't lose their homes just because elites made some bad financial bets, they're a lot less violent, because they retain that thing which is cross culturally considered one of the most precious things one has, their own home. Rising up against elites would risk losing that in places where people own their homes, rather than just lease them from banks as long as they can make payments.
It's a harsh risk:reward calculus, and in many places in the world, the risk massively outweighs the reward.
China makes for a great example of economy transiting from one state to the other. Their elites are utterly horrified of their own populace going on long marches. Not only because said elites got their own jobs by doing just that, but because they know just how unstable system becomes when sufficient amount of population is deeply in debt to banks. A state into which city dwellers of China are increasingly pushed into.
Since always. The better question is "when did debt become a positive factor". Which is very recently, and in a very few countries that represent but a tiny fraction of planet's population.
We slashdot visitors just happen to overwhelmingly live in those countries.
Not in China, nor most of the world. The idea of bank-financed mortgage and consumer credit card debt hasn't really spread outside a few select countries of the West.
Most places use family financing for major purchases and debit/cash for consumer items. Personal debt being what it is in the West is largely absent in developing world for a wide variety of reasons.
So facts become something other than facts if [people I disagree with] post them?
See, this is the point where utter insanity of modern leftism kicks in. It's not the facts. It's who says them. If wrong person says them, facts aren't facts anymore, regardless of their merits.
In my youth, this sort of insanity was too much even for really far right wing people in the media. Nowadays, it's a mainstream view on the left. Which is exactly what we saw with the recent narrative on the maga hat kid from Catholic school. The fact that there were multiple videos of the event from different view points was irrelevant, because all of those videos were posted by [people who disagreed with mainstream leftist narrative]. Therefore, they weren't facts, while claims of the [people lionised by mainstream leftist narrative] were facts.
My problem with Pale Moon is lack of site compatibility and Moonchild's attitude towards relevant reports. I literally lost money on long range train and bus tickets, because Pale Moon would literally refuse to accept certain connections from sites during payment process transferring you from insecure site to secure site.
Moonchild's response was literally "well it should be secure from start to finish of purchase process". All while there's no actual reason for it, I don't need security for looking at timetables and seats, I only need it for payment process.
There's also his ideological opposition to incorporate system codecs support into browser like FF does, which means things like h.264 embedded video doesn't work at all. So imgur, twitter etc, good portion of videos simply do not work on Pale Moon. So unfortunately, Pale Moon is not a replacement for mainstream usage.
Extensions. All the way. Modern (made in last decade) CPUs are more than powerful to run even a slowest browser, and modern machines go with 8GB RAM even in midrange laptop category with 16 being increasingly the norm.
Mozilla hasn't been dependent on google in years. Their new business model is to push alternative/regional search engines, i.e. duckduckgo, baidu, yandex etc.
You might have missed the way that collaboration ended. Noscript on modern firefox is much closer to chromium version than original FF version, because capabilities needed by noscript of all were intentionally removed by FF team. Which was their part of the "collaboration" in question, to provide nice PR while destroying the add on in question, alongside many others that bothered them, such as classicthemerestorer.
Because there is no "solution" to webextensions problem. They are intentionally crippled compared to XUL. That's the entire point of having them. And as noscript debacle proved, there is no "working out a solution", because the capability needed for functionality is simply not available in webextensions.
That was true prior to quantum. FF quantum, their much hailed "speed up" was essentially gimping things like noscript to levels similar to chromium, by basing it on the same webextensions model.
They tried to falsify that this wasn't the case by literally paying off the noscript author, who really tried to make noscript work on quantum like it did on pre-quantum firefox, and he had "official full help" from firefox team.
To surprise of no one with a clue, he failed. All we got was a gimped webextensions noscript with functionality much closer to that of chromium noscript than that of original FF one.
Do facts matter, or does political leaning of the one who says matter?
The process I described above about modern left is literally about the latter. Facts are irrelevant, all that matters is societal power. Which makes facts irrelevant. Which is why you made the statement you did. It was irrelevant to you that his link presented a factual argument. All that mattered was that the one who articulated the argument was against your views.
Snowflakes are in love with the walled garden. It's literally what they're asking for.
It is quite offensive to those of us who view the ACLU of old, the one that stood in defence of nazis' right to spew their national socialist anti-Jew BS because it was the right thing to do on principle. Political free speech should not be prosecuted, no matter how offensive. You should be free to say genocidal ideas, be they national socialist, communist, islamic or any other kind. Just as we should be free to debunk them just as vocally.
"I hate your message but I am willing to die so you can say it". Unfortunately, unlike the leftist movement of my day, modern left has no principles at all. In fact, much of the movement literally denounces the entire idea of being a principled actor with agency as impossibility, and claims that all that there is in a discussion is collective power struggle, in which all means justify the end of winning.
This is getting utterly dumb. I make my argument, your "friend" attempts to debunk it and fails because he failed to read and comprehend it. I point out this failure, and now you come and show the exact same problem - you didn't bother to read and comprehend what I wrote. Because you confirmed it, while loudly pronouncing your supposed denials.
This reminds me of astroturfing idiots who need to push a narrative, but can't debunk counter-arguments to their narrative.
Please don't do that Chinese propaganda spin. Phone charger issue was pushed by almost a decade by a wide range of EU based activists. Chinese "how do we dethrone the evil Koreans" efforts were used as one of the smaller arguments in pushing the issue. Primary elements pushing for it were pro-competition arguments, recycling issues and costs, listed here in order of importance. Of those, only the last and least important one one matched Chinese agenda, as it decreased costs on Chinese consumers switching from Samsung, LG et al. Competition was actually seen as bad, because locking things down to Huawei et al was seen at the time as important in China. It's just that they had problems competing with Korean chaebols at the time, so it was seen as a lesser evil.
Apple is routinely in conflict with EU legislation. Not just advisory, but actual law, such as laws on manufacturer warranty duration. It makes for an awful example as a result, as it's a clear outlier on regulatory oversight issues across the board, including this one.
In US, yelp can keep doing the racket, shaking businesses down with threats of bad reviews they have been doing for last half a decade or so. That hasn't changed.
Here, the issue is clear. Social media lynching should be forbidden just like real life lynching is, and for the very same reasons. No matter how sane and intelligent individuals are, mob is insane and dumb. And social media is increasingly about mobbing and lynching today. See: the recent maga hat kid vs indian activist scandal. I think it's sane to require that when mob clearly got it wrong, records of falsehoods related to person's purported actions should be purged at the request of the victim of mobbing. Going through the court provides the sanity check within the system, where case is weighted on individual merits, and cases where information is correct and useful for public dissemination stays in spite of requests to take it down, while information that is false, outdated and damaging to individual is purged.
They might do it for the same reason everyone else wants their proprietary design to win. It helps them to compete against others and to lock people into their cars at the cost of choice.
We had the same issue with phone chargers until EU stepped in, and now all phones charge from USB. Even abroad, because EU market is so big, it's easier to standardize world wide. And that's the exact reason why I suspect that "private club" argument will not fly. Spirit of the law in this particular case is very clear, and that kind of argumentation, even if it fit the letter of the law will most certainly be against the spirit of the law.
It's less about taxation and much more about culture in most countries being very different when it comes to showing off. In many countries, it's frowned upon to show off your wealth in extravagant ways.
Tesla is perfect for this, because it's much less of a "look at this bling bling I have" and more about "I care about the environment" which is currently very much in vogue with both the youth and the middle aged people.
Assuming you're correct in your numbers, the logic is sensible. There's a large untapped market for performance models in EU. And while they're doing it, US market's demand will begin to stabilize again.
More sane choice would be to lay more power cables to sell energy to the main islands. The reason I suspect it's not done is that investment would be too much, especially considering the increased need for spinning and cold reserve.
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If sufficient amount of people have been convinced of it being a threat, it begins to dictate how much of economic activity is conducted. Things like price of electricity, certain taxes and so on are paid by everyone, and the more people believe that climate change is a "current" threat rather than a threat "in a hundred years", it means you get to pay more for the same things that you could get for less yesterday. There's also availability of some products that will be severely impacted by this belief.
You seem to forget that a major part of home pricing is the availability of mortgage. When most people can't afford to pay 200.000 in whatever currency outright, homes in that place aren't priced that high.
Which is why it's "financially not foolish" to put most of the nation into debt. You increase the size of economy via home price inflation, and you ensure that your population is severely punished for ineffective economic status by loss of their home. It's a massive stick for the population and massive carrot for elites.
Which is in large part why it's not done in most of the world. Most of the world isn't stable enough to the point where elites can count on population not rising up and fucking them to death with bayonettes when things go south in the economy. When people don't lose their homes just because elites made some bad financial bets, they're a lot less violent, because they retain that thing which is cross culturally considered one of the most precious things one has, their own home. Rising up against elites would risk losing that in places where people own their homes, rather than just lease them from banks as long as they can make payments.
It's a harsh risk:reward calculus, and in many places in the world, the risk massively outweighs the reward.
China makes for a great example of economy transiting from one state to the other. Their elites are utterly horrified of their own populace going on long marches. Not only because said elites got their own jobs by doing just that, but because they know just how unstable system becomes when sufficient amount of population is deeply in debt to banks. A state into which city dwellers of China are increasingly pushed into.
Since always. The better question is "when did debt become a positive factor". Which is very recently, and in a very few countries that represent but a tiny fraction of planet's population.
We slashdot visitors just happen to overwhelmingly live in those countries.
Not in China, nor most of the world. The idea of bank-financed mortgage and consumer credit card debt hasn't really spread outside a few select countries of the West.
Most places use family financing for major purchases and debit/cash for consumer items. Personal debt being what it is in the West is largely absent in developing world for a wide variety of reasons.
So facts become something other than facts if [people I disagree with] post them?
See, this is the point where utter insanity of modern leftism kicks in. It's not the facts. It's who says them. If wrong person says them, facts aren't facts anymore, regardless of their merits.
In my youth, this sort of insanity was too much even for really far right wing people in the media. Nowadays, it's a mainstream view on the left. Which is exactly what we saw with the recent narrative on the maga hat kid from Catholic school. The fact that there were multiple videos of the event from different view points was irrelevant, because all of those videos were posted by [people who disagreed with mainstream leftist narrative]. Therefore, they weren't facts, while claims of the [people lionised by mainstream leftist narrative] were facts.
My problem with Pale Moon is lack of site compatibility and Moonchild's attitude towards relevant reports. I literally lost money on long range train and bus tickets, because Pale Moon would literally refuse to accept certain connections from sites during payment process transferring you from insecure site to secure site.
Moonchild's response was literally "well it should be secure from start to finish of purchase process". All while there's no actual reason for it, I don't need security for looking at timetables and seats, I only need it for payment process.
There's also his ideological opposition to incorporate system codecs support into browser like FF does, which means things like h.264 embedded video doesn't work at all. So imgur, twitter etc, good portion of videos simply do not work on Pale Moon. So unfortunately, Pale Moon is not a replacement for mainstream usage.
Extensions. All the way. Modern (made in last decade) CPUs are more than powerful to run even a slowest browser, and modern machines go with 8GB RAM even in midrange laptop category with 16 being increasingly the norm.
Mozilla hasn't been dependent on google in years. Their new business model is to push alternative/regional search engines, i.e. duckduckgo, baidu, yandex etc.
You might have missed the way that collaboration ended. Noscript on modern firefox is much closer to chromium version than original FF version, because capabilities needed by noscript of all were intentionally removed by FF team. Which was their part of the "collaboration" in question, to provide nice PR while destroying the add on in question, alongside many others that bothered them, such as classicthemerestorer.
Because there is no "solution" to webextensions problem. They are intentionally crippled compared to XUL. That's the entire point of having them. And as noscript debacle proved, there is no "working out a solution", because the capability needed for functionality is simply not available in webextensions.
That was true prior to quantum. FF quantum, their much hailed "speed up" was essentially gimping things like noscript to levels similar to chromium, by basing it on the same webextensions model.
They tried to falsify that this wasn't the case by literally paying off the noscript author, who really tried to make noscript work on quantum like it did on pre-quantum firefox, and he had "official full help" from firefox team.
To surprise of no one with a clue, he failed. All we got was a gimped webextensions noscript with functionality much closer to that of chromium noscript than that of original FF one.
There are over 500 million people in EEA. There's quite a bit of market to go around for all players.
Do facts matter, or does political leaning of the one who says matter?
The process I described above about modern left is literally about the latter. Facts are irrelevant, all that matters is societal power. Which makes facts irrelevant. Which is why you made the statement you did. It was irrelevant to you that his link presented a factual argument. All that mattered was that the one who articulated the argument was against your views.
Snowflakes are in love with the walled garden. It's literally what they're asking for.
It is quite offensive to those of us who view the ACLU of old, the one that stood in defence of nazis' right to spew their national socialist anti-Jew BS because it was the right thing to do on principle. Political free speech should not be prosecuted, no matter how offensive. You should be free to say genocidal ideas, be they national socialist, communist, islamic or any other kind. Just as we should be free to debunk them just as vocally.
"I hate your message but I am willing to die so you can say it". Unfortunately, unlike the leftist movement of my day, modern left has no principles at all. In fact, much of the movement literally denounces the entire idea of being a principled actor with agency as impossibility, and claims that all that there is in a discussion is collective power struggle, in which all means justify the end of winning.
This is getting utterly dumb. I make my argument, your "friend" attempts to debunk it and fails because he failed to read and comprehend it. I point out this failure, and now you come and show the exact same problem - you didn't bother to read and comprehend what I wrote. Because you confirmed it, while loudly pronouncing your supposed denials.
This reminds me of astroturfing idiots who need to push a narrative, but can't debunk counter-arguments to their narrative.
And yet, they're selling quite well in wealthier regions of ETA.
Please don't do that Chinese propaganda spin. Phone charger issue was pushed by almost a decade by a wide range of EU based activists. Chinese "how do we dethrone the evil Koreans" efforts were used as one of the smaller arguments in pushing the issue. Primary elements pushing for it were pro-competition arguments, recycling issues and costs, listed here in order of importance. Of those, only the last and least important one one matched Chinese agenda, as it decreased costs on Chinese consumers switching from Samsung, LG et al. Competition was actually seen as bad, because locking things down to Huawei et al was seen at the time as important in China. It's just that they had problems competing with Korean chaebols at the time, so it was seen as a lesser evil.
Apple is routinely in conflict with EU legislation. Not just advisory, but actual law, such as laws on manufacturer warranty duration. It makes for an awful example as a result, as it's a clear outlier on regulatory oversight issues across the board, including this one.
World is a big place.
Rush, lack of reports of this problem, straight to customer sales.
In US, yelp can keep doing the racket, shaking businesses down with threats of bad reviews they have been doing for last half a decade or so. That hasn't changed.
Here, the issue is clear. Social media lynching should be forbidden just like real life lynching is, and for the very same reasons. No matter how sane and intelligent individuals are, mob is insane and dumb. And social media is increasingly about mobbing and lynching today. See: the recent maga hat kid vs indian activist scandal. I think it's sane to require that when mob clearly got it wrong, records of falsehoods related to person's purported actions should be purged at the request of the victim of mobbing. Going through the court provides the sanity check within the system, where case is weighted on individual merits, and cases where information is correct and useful for public dissemination stays in spite of requests to take it down, while information that is false, outdated and damaging to individual is purged.
They might do it for the same reason everyone else wants their proprietary design to win. It helps them to compete against others and to lock people into their cars at the cost of choice.
We had the same issue with phone chargers until EU stepped in, and now all phones charge from USB. Even abroad, because EU market is so big, it's easier to standardize world wide. And that's the exact reason why I suspect that "private club" argument will not fly. Spirit of the law in this particular case is very clear, and that kind of argumentation, even if it fit the letter of the law will most certainly be against the spirit of the law.
It's less about taxation and much more about culture in most countries being very different when it comes to showing off. In many countries, it's frowned upon to show off your wealth in extravagant ways.
Tesla is perfect for this, because it's much less of a "look at this bling bling I have" and more about "I care about the environment" which is currently very much in vogue with both the youth and the middle aged people.
Assuming you're correct in your numbers, the logic is sensible. There's a large untapped market for performance models in EU. And while they're doing it, US market's demand will begin to stabilize again.
Looks like a fairly simple fix. Standardizing for release doesn't mean they won't be able to make adjustments before final sale.
From the energy system of biosphere and into rotational motion of the wind turbine.
More sane choice would be to lay more power cables to sell energy to the main islands. The reason I suspect it's not done is that investment would be too much, especially considering the increased need for spinning and cold reserve.