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Tesla Model 3 Is Heading To Europe (bloomberg.com)
The Tesla Model 3 has cleared its last regulatory hurdle in Europe and will soon go on sale in the continent home to Audi, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz. "Deliveries should start in February for the Long Range Battery version of the midsize sedan -- the same variant first sold in the U.S. -- according to Tesla, after Dutch vehicle authority RDW issued the OK," reports Bloomberg. From the report: The European launch is crucial for Tesla as it navigates what Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk called a "very difficult" road ahead. The company is cutting jobs so it can profitably deliver lower-priced versions of the Model 3, Tesla's first car targeted for the mass market. Musk has pointed to sales of the sedan in Europe and China as a main reason he isn't concerned about any potential setback caused by a halving of the U.S. federal tax credit, to $3,750, on Tesla purchases as of Jan. 1.
With the Model 3, Tesla also has an opportunity to broaden its attack on the premium car market dominated by Germany's BMW AG, Daimler AG-owned Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen AG's Audi. Tesla, based in Palo Alto, California, said in its third-quarter shareholder letter that "the midsized premium sedan market in Europe is more than twice as big as the same segment in the U.S." The Model 3 became the top-selling luxury car there last year, outstripping the Audi Q5, BMW 3 Series and other well-known models. Analysts and industry executives, however, have observed that competition with Tesla cuts across traditional categories.
With the Model 3, Tesla also has an opportunity to broaden its attack on the premium car market dominated by Germany's BMW AG, Daimler AG-owned Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen AG's Audi. Tesla, based in Palo Alto, California, said in its third-quarter shareholder letter that "the midsized premium sedan market in Europe is more than twice as big as the same segment in the U.S." The Model 3 became the top-selling luxury car there last year, outstripping the Audi Q5, BMW 3 Series and other well-known models. Analysts and industry executives, however, have observed that competition with Tesla cuts across traditional categories.
If it can reach Europe all the way from America on one charge!
...and has production problems, and is in a cash bind. Is this the smartest time to try this?
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that there is no shortage of cars anymore. Rei can finally buy one with the massive profits from trading the stock.
Is it the $35k model?
Do you even know what "an anti-trust suit" is? Apparently not.
Tesla solved the production problems, and has a lot of money rolling in. Now is the IDEAL time to roll into Europe, to rapidly reproduce the manufacturing they've managed to put into place in the U.S, and to get pre-orders and then sales started in Europe well before any of the traditional auto-makers can catch up.
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Well, it is a Libertarian Tesla fan rooting against the EU and anti-trust laws. Can there be anything more stupid?
What an absurd load of bullshit.
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Does anybody seriously think the Tesla Model 3 will be competitive with anything from Mercedes, Audi and BMW?
Teslas are great if you are looking for a big-battery EV, but they wouldn't sell a single car if it weren't for the fact that they are electric. The interior, the fit and finish and the reliability are not at all competitive with premium and luxury brands, and are even below mainstream brands like VW, Peugeot and Renault.
Tesla targets the EV market. A growing market, but also one with increasing competition. Tesla has a niche, because it currently is the only brand offering cars with such large batteries. Due to the cost, that puts them in the same price bracket as premium brand cars. That does not make them competitive with premium cars. Moreover, since the Big Three will offer premium EVs very soon, Tesla will have to offer very competitive prices to remain competitive.
The "cheapest" version you can get here is 58.800 EUR. That's about 66.750 benjamins.
I'm not sure if the demand in Europe is that high as in USA. >58.000 Euros (currently cheapest version available) is a lot of money for heavily taxed european incomes.
My local Tesla store confirmed to me last week that if I order now (without a reservation) the delivery will be first half of March 2019.
(Beginning December 2018 they were claiming a 'not before November 2019' due to high demand.)
On the other hand Europeans tend to testdrive their cars before they buy. Maybe orders will pick-up when demo vehicles are available for testdrives.
Joined up thinking puts an end to bullshit charging format wars.
It doesn't seem like an ideal car for Europe to be honest. The boot (trunk) leaks badly when it rains and while the shape (low and wide) is popular in the US in Europe people prefer a bit narrower and taller. Also it's very, very expensive compared to other cars in the more developed European EV market.
I'm sure they will sell plenty, at least at first while the pre-orders are in place. A lot of people are waiting for the $35k model though, which isn't even on the timeline yet. Many seem to be expecting it to be â/£35k too, which isn't going to happen. Aside from anything else you have to add ~20% sales tax. And that's the poverty spec.
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The boot (trunk) leaks badly when it rains
What do you mean? Is it not water tight?
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The frunk doesn't leak. I'm not sure where you heard that rumor.
The storage compartment under that front hood has a proper gasket and is water-tight.
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Should have linked the videos.
https://youtu.be/hCv_Ha0oWjE
https://youtu.be/rk1QRJjHjsM
https://youtu.be/RytwKuBAIuM
Basically when it's been raining and you open the boot, water pours in and all your stuff gets wet.
The seal isn't great either, there is a guy on TMC who didn't close it properly (car said shut, but it wasn't) and the boot got completely flooded. When he presses on the carpet it releases a puddle of water now. Apparently there is no drain!
Unfortunately the design has already been approved for the EU so that's what we are getting.
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It is watertight, but on the bottom side only.
Righto then. I suppose you can't expect too much for that kind of money XD
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Bravo. I wish I had mod points.
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It's like they don't have much experience making cars or something.
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Looks like a fairly simple fix. Standardizing for release doesn't mean they won't be able to make adjustments before final sale.
Or you could instead go nuclear if you were using a Russian boat.
(No other countries operates non-military nuclear-powered vessels).
No range problems at all when you can generate your needed electrical power locally.
(Which is the whole point of why Russian icebreakers do run on nuclear.
Hard to refuel a classical oil engine if the next port is 6 months away through thick ice).
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Maybe, but then you have to wonder why they haven't done it yet. They are pumping out thousands of flawed vehicles a week, all potentially needing this fix.
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Rush, lack of reports of this problem, straight to customer sales.
Of course it doesn't leak. It just collects the water from all the parts above it, and that's the problem. Garbage car salesman, garbage design, garbage car, garbage problems.
rofl no. competition is good. It's dull seeing bmws, porsches, ferraris, aston martins all days on the road... We need moar variety roflmao...
It doesn't seem like an ideal car for Europe to be honest.
True, it isn't a hatchback half the size of an airplane lavatory with a clown horn.
The boot (trunk) leaks badly when it rains and while the shape (low and wide) is popular in the US in Europe people prefer a bit narrower and taller.
Well, no. Narrow, tall trunks are the result of legislative interference, in the form of rear impact protection against taller vehicles, and the result of using external hinges to compensate for trunk packaging problems resulting from having to meet these regulations. The external hinges make the trunk opening even more narrow, but stop you from damaging cargo with the hinges. People worldwide prefer trunks with lower openings, but those are difficult to make now and still pass crash tests.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Hmm, but you do have many hatchback cars in the US, often the same as European models.
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Hmm, but you do have many hatchback cars in the US, often the same as European models.
Hatchbacks are high in back already, the point of a higher trunk is to stop tall vehicles from going right over the top of the vehicle. And they have low trunk floors, as a general rule.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Ah, I see what you mean.
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Yes. It's a good think that well-established auto companies like Volkswagen don't have these issues.
http://youtu.be/bkSuyXnCSO4
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Yup this couple of tons dug in a hole are so much worse than the order of magnitude larger amount of pollution produced by burning fossils.
And said pollution - that comes from the fossils even contains small traces of radioactive elements.
Except that, because burning fossils generate so much more emissions than using nuclear, these (proportionally) "small traces" end up being more radioactive emissions (in absolute) than nuclear power plants.
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Yes, but at least those companies fix those issues. Tesla just keeps making the same defective cars and selling them. VW at least will revamp its design in the next model to fix it. While Tesla will still be making the same car it made 2 years ago.
You are comparing a $30k VW to a $60k Tesla? The Tesla cost twice as much.
More deflection from Tesla fanboys.
It isn't a rumor.
https://youtu.be/hCv_Ha0oWjE
https://youtu.be/rk1QRJjHjsM
https://youtu.be/RytwKuBAIuM
Amimoji already posted these links.
Do you really? Because to me
It looks like he's saying hatchbacks are designed the way they are so that pick up trucks don't run over top of them like a monster truck.
So 2 profitable quarters and not billions of dollars. You are a true idiot.
And you aren't living in an Elon bubble?
Both of you are loons, just loons for a different cause. REI has a vested interest in making sure Tesla succeeds. Trolls gonna troll and lie. Business as usual.
Meanwhile, I've cleared a cool 1.2 million in 1 year off of shorting Tesla. So keep it up chaps.