As a longtime Gator I'm trying to imagine what kind of hell trying to police this will be. And that is from the prospective of being a Gator being that UF is pretty damn uptight when it comes to how they expect us to act at our home sporting events. Never freaking mind what happens at Ol'Miss or UT games.
...and that the Earth may not be the ideal size...
I think your missing the point that they are making in that of course the Earth was able to develop life given it's sun and size. But that if they were to make the ideal star/planet combo that they would tweak some things to make it perfect./. car analogy: I can get to work every day in a Yugo. But ideally I'd like to be driven in a stretch limo with strippers and an open bar. In fact, forget driving to work...
So this topic has of course brought up the "well the US ain't perfect either!" argument. And no, we are not. However I'd like to think that we do try and have in place the tools to make our trying actually mean something. (Our constitution/Bill of Rights/etc.)
That being said this morn one of our local radio talk shows stumbled upon a serious subject, kiddy porn, via the "My cat downloaded that kiddy pron" excuse story. They then even went deeper and talked about how given how harshly kiddy porn is dealt with here how that can be, and is, used as a weapon vs people. (IE put kiddy pron on your targets computer and then turn them in.)
They actually did a relatively decent job talking about the issue given the show and then an actual IT guy called in and spoke about it. He dispelled a lot of their jovilaity by underlying how serious the issue is as well as, getting to how this relates to China now, telling this story:
Some Chinese national was working here in Fla and left his laptop in some computer lab at some point. The person in question was a journalist working to show the various human rights violations that the Chinese government perpetrates. And so in response to this the Chinese government had an operative call the FBI and tip them off that there was kiddy porn on the guys laptop. The operative then went to the lab and planted the kiddy porn onto the laptop.
I'm sure you can see the mistake, he did it backwards. In court it was proven that the porn was put on the laptop after the tip. But you can imagine the hell that the Chinese national went though even while trying to prove his innocence. (The IT guy said that the attitude surrounding kiddy pron is guilty until proven innocent pretty much right now.)
We may have our issues here in the US, as do the other 1st world free nations, but China still needs to go a long way before they can even close to being viewed as a nation that is not known, and rightly so, for abusing it's own people.
There are a huge number of apps out there that don't respect your browser choice and just fire off IE.
Hrm, this is true. I know I've seen it happen. The question is how is given that this is going to be on a new OS would not it be easy to change the API hook to make sure that the preferred browser is launched?
Bottom line to me is that not only should IE be 'removable' but users should be presented with the option to install multiple browsers if they wish with such a screen.
IMO the risk would come from CTO reading about this, via some blurb in his/her business/tech journal, and saying wtf.
While end users with one or a few computers are important for sales keep in mind the people that have power over large numbers of computers are more what the OP I think was getting at.
I'm in my late 30's and I'm also going to vote that this notion that cursive has some place still in a curriculum is needed. All I use it for, as has been said so many times in this topic, is my signature. And as with many others it's more a bunch of squiggles rather than anything resembling my name. My printed name would actually be more useful as it still would have my unique penmanship while actually being readable.
It would be much better for young students to learn typing in place of cursive. I'd go so far as to say we should be debating what keyboard layout we should be teaching vs lamenting the dying throws of cursive.
I personally took typing as soon as it was offered to me and of all the practical skills I have learned in school it has to rank up there in the top 3. I of course learned on a typewriter, a push-key one no less, and as such can adapt to nearly any keyboard to boot.
I could go on because like many others my cursive set me back, and then never even did anything for me!, while in school. I just never had the innate skill or desire to make my cursive viable for myself. That being said my printing works just fine and I even did very well in my manual drafting classes. Cursive is just not for everyone and since it's not a requirement for modern life it needs to go.
That's right. When comparing the price/value of computer hardware, the cost of software does not matter. Your $700 mid-range (or upper middle or however you want to measure it) hardware is $700 worth of hardware regardless of how much you spend on software.
Oookkk, that sound fair.
But when you consider Apples markup on what amounts to standard PC parts these days your whole example falls apart. That is, unless you consider their copyrighted BIOS chip to be worth the difference in what the true 'parts value' of an Apple vs PC.
I was talking to a friend of mine who, like myself, does local PC contract work. He charges a bit more than me and in discussing that one day he started talking about the various reasons he felt his costs were fair. Partly it is a regional difference as well as he has been doing it longer. But the big thing that I felt, knowing his clients as he often will consult with me on things, was trust.
Given that I'm sure that there are others in his area that could do his work for a lower fee his clients are very loyal. Rather thou the trust that they have in him is worth the extra money.
I even used a car analogy. Saying that he was like a trusted mechanic. Since most people don't know much about computers when something is wrong with them, like a car for someone who is not a mechanic, as the repairman you can lie with near impunity as to what is wrong. Or just describe the problem as it really is in such overwhelming technical detail that it sounds much worse than it really is.
I don't think any of us who have been around are very surprised that this goes on. From the moment PCs when mainstream I've seen sleazy repair shop after sleazy repair shop doing the same kinds of things. And it makes it all the easier for me to retain customers given that by doing honest work I build up a trust with them.
Tax credits will shave off almost 70-80% of the purchase price of the turbines over 10 years though. Didn't know we taxpayers were subsidizing this construction, didya?
Yes, yes I did. And not only do I approve we have been doing such things for many years now!
I know it's very fashionable right now to make a lot of noise about what our tax dollars pay for but anyone with a clue has known that they have been paying for a lot of things for a long time now. Only the willfully ignorant, coughfoxnewsviewerscough, get all shocked and amazed when someone like you talk about it.
Exactly, and furthermore religion is under attack like never before.
Back in the day there were never any good answers to the big questions that religion(s) would provide their 'answers' for. That has changed with not only the physical sciences but the big kicker the biological sciences.
As badly as they reacted to having the whole earth not being the center of the universe deal they are downright scared shitless of evolution. The whole cloud of 'I don't know' is shrinking when people ask the 'big questions' about life and the universe. And go figure that people seem to prefer rational explanations to things rather than mythology.
woosh. (...or just english not your native language)
DIET-y. As in diet. vs. Deity (a divinity or god)
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Ummm, he was referring to the fact that the poster wrote 'diety' in stead of 'deity'. Which, given the name of the deity in question, is pretty unintentionally funny.
Woosh and ummm to you both! I actually missed that but I'm quite sure, again research FSM!, that it was intentional.
Those who warship the FSM refer to themselves as Pastafarians fer cipes sake.
Very true. I often have people who can't even tell what exact program they are using. This is while they are in said program. Could easily look up at the top part of their window and see.
To such people it's just a sort of magic box that responds in a certain way when they push certain buttons in a certain sequence. No real thought involved just rote actions.
I just happened to come across a small pic of the FSM yesterday and while reading up on that, love the idea/movement/et all, wondered what the breakdown of belief was in the world.
By those numbers alone Ireland is going to be putting a serious hurting on their tourism. And it's not like they have oil like the other countries that have such draconian laws.
Being of the Libertarian bent I have to like the idea of failure being reintroduced to the market. But I'm also a bit queasy when the current anti-market administration bails out it's friends (look at his economic team) on Wall Street and then allows CIT to fail. The question I instantly asked myself was Why? And why was it's failure so under reported?
Keep in mind that the TARP bailout was enacted and originally administered by the Bush administration. Rough estimiates where that fully half of the bailout was done by Bush's Secretary of the Treasury Henry Paulson.
I'm not going to excuse the Obama admin of doing everything perfectly however when people like yourself omit rather large facts in your argument it does nothing for your creditability.
I just had lunch so I am going to use the summery here instead of wading though any marketspeak. At first I was upset that they are trying to coat an obvious desire to have the best DRM option over with 'quality'. But then I thought, hell, at least they cited piracy. That's a hell of a lot more than most do these days.
I've grown so used to seeing everything spun without even a nod to the actual issue that it took a few before it sunk in that Blizz at least gave us that nod. Not that at the end of the day it makes a damn bit of difference. Their reasoning behind it is still weak at best and I'm sure they know it.
Just FYI I actually have lived in Fl for over 10 years now. Now while Fl is actually much more of a melting pot than 'the south' we still are down here. I get to deal with a lot of rednecks and backwards type folks.
And if those terms offend your delicate sensibilities, tough. There is so much I can do to sugar coat the level of stupidity and ignorance I have to deal with down here. And counter to that I have to deal with the fact that that stereotype is what others who have never been here. And in reality that while we do have our fair share of dumb rednecks it's no more than what is everywhere these days.
But of course all those levels of nuance are lost on someone as black and white as you. Just keep watching dat NASCAR and preyin Jesus comes soon to take hethans like mah away. (PS I actually like NASCAR too and have been to the Daytona 500, have you?)
Some time ago I worked at Convergys and was able to observe a lot of interesting trends. They did what they could to import cheap H1B people for sure. But the most interesting thing was not just limited to H1Bers. Rather the idea that ticket resolution was so unimportant for so many companies.
Some companies did not even have resolution as a metric for evaluations. If the by the book steps did not fix a customer, oh well! Refer them to someone else like the OEM and have a nice day!
With that in mind someone who is willing to read from a script and make next to nothing is perfect for them. Not that we Americans are excused from this. Some companies do better than others at trying to make sure their phone reps can actually think but I'd still be willing to say the majority of them go into panic mode if the script does not work.
And on top of that you can get some real winners gaming the system then. There was one guy who, while I was auditing an ISPs calls, had a 2m turnover on his calls. I'm not shitting you all, 2m from the time he picked up to when he would be ready for the next customer on average. This was back when DUN would frequently break in 95/98 and need to be reinstalled. So whenever it became clear that needed to be done he would punt the caller with some excuse. Leaving it for the next tech to do so that his numbers would still look 'good'.
Steering back on topic I think the metric for 'employable' when you are talking about tech grads to the CEO in question scores pay and willingness to be browbeaten highly. Stay on script! Keep you call time down! No breaks! Go figure US grads, even accounting for our overinflated sense of entitlement, might not score highly when looking though his lens.
Everytime I visit, I can't wait to get back to the south.
Yeeehaw! Time spent away from my beloved bible belt and NASCAR states sure do rile up mah blood!
So much so that it seems I furget to use paragaphs! Of course all them silly things like riten proper is just for them edumicated northern folkes anyways. 'Real Americans' know what I means!
It would have been one thing had they just requested applicants list all of their social networking sites. And even listed their usernames with each site so that they would know who they were on those sites since most people don't use their real names as their logins. Clearly my real name is not yoshi_mon.
It still would have been a very invasive and ethically dubious practice but not too surprising for a 'red state'.
But to then ask for peoples passwords? That is where the whole thing gets surreal. Why the hell do you need access to the accounts? I've yet to see any real explanation for that part of this nonsense. Not that there really could be a good explanation for it but I'd really like to see what kind of twisted rational was given.
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As a longtime Gator I'm trying to imagine what kind of hell trying to police this will be. And that is from the prospective of being a Gator being that UF is pretty damn uptight when it comes to how they expect us to act at our home sporting events. Never freaking mind what happens at Ol'Miss or UT games.
Yeah, good luck with that SEC.
...and that the Earth may not be the ideal size ...
I think your missing the point that they are making in that of course the Earth was able to develop life given it's sun and size. But that if they were to make the ideal star/planet combo that they would tweak some things to make it perfect. /. car analogy: I can get to work every day in a Yugo. But ideally I'd like to be driven in a stretch limo with strippers and an open bar. In fact, forget driving to work...
So this topic has of course brought up the "well the US ain't perfect either!" argument. And no, we are not. However I'd like to think that we do try and have in place the tools to make our trying actually mean something. (Our constitution/Bill of Rights/etc.)
That being said this morn one of our local radio talk shows stumbled upon a serious subject, kiddy porn, via the "My cat downloaded that kiddy pron" excuse story. They then even went deeper and talked about how given how harshly kiddy porn is dealt with here how that can be, and is, used as a weapon vs people. (IE put kiddy pron on your targets computer and then turn them in.)
They actually did a relatively decent job talking about the issue given the show and then an actual IT guy called in and spoke about it. He dispelled a lot of their jovilaity by underlying how serious the issue is as well as, getting to how this relates to China now, telling this story:
Some Chinese national was working here in Fla and left his laptop in some computer lab at some point. The person in question was a journalist working to show the various human rights violations that the Chinese government perpetrates. And so in response to this the Chinese government had an operative call the FBI and tip them off that there was kiddy porn on the guys laptop. The operative then went to the lab and planted the kiddy porn onto the laptop.
I'm sure you can see the mistake, he did it backwards. In court it was proven that the porn was put on the laptop after the tip. But you can imagine the hell that the Chinese national went though even while trying to prove his innocence. (The IT guy said that the attitude surrounding kiddy pron is guilty until proven innocent pretty much right now.)
We may have our issues here in the US, as do the other 1st world free nations, but China still needs to go a long way before they can even close to being viewed as a nation that is not known, and rightly so, for abusing it's own people.
There are a huge number of apps out there that don't respect your browser choice and just fire off IE.
Hrm, this is true. I know I've seen it happen. The question is how is given that this is going to be on a new OS would not it be easy to change the API hook to make sure that the preferred browser is launched?
Bottom line to me is that not only should IE be 'removable' but users should be presented with the option to install multiple browsers if they wish with such a screen.
I can't see the MS blog page, it's /.ed, but from the summary I felt that this solution seems to imply that browsers are mutually exclusive?
I'd hope that MS would not even go that far but you can never rule anything out with them.
IMO the risk would come from CTO reading about this, via some blurb in his/her business/tech journal, and saying wtf.
While end users with one or a few computers are important for sales keep in mind the people that have power over large numbers of computers are more what the OP I think was getting at.
I'm in my late 30's and I'm also going to vote that this notion that cursive has some place still in a curriculum is needed. All I use it for, as has been said so many times in this topic, is my signature. And as with many others it's more a bunch of squiggles rather than anything resembling my name. My printed name would actually be more useful as it still would have my unique penmanship while actually being readable.
It would be much better for young students to learn typing in place of cursive. I'd go so far as to say we should be debating what keyboard layout we should be teaching vs lamenting the dying throws of cursive.
I personally took typing as soon as it was offered to me and of all the practical skills I have learned in school it has to rank up there in the top 3. I of course learned on a typewriter, a push-key one no less, and as such can adapt to nearly any keyboard to boot.
I could go on because like many others my cursive set me back, and then never even did anything for me!, while in school. I just never had the innate skill or desire to make my cursive viable for myself. That being said my printing works just fine and I even did very well in my manual drafting classes. Cursive is just not for everyone and since it's not a requirement for modern life it needs to go.
That's right. When comparing the price/value of computer hardware, the cost of software does not matter. Your $700 mid-range (or upper middle or however you want to measure it) hardware is $700 worth of hardware regardless of how much you spend on software.
Oookkk, that sound fair.
But when you consider Apples markup on what amounts to standard PC parts these days your whole example falls apart. That is, unless you consider their copyrighted BIOS chip to be worth the difference in what the true 'parts value' of an Apple vs PC.
I was talking to a friend of mine who, like myself, does local PC contract work. He charges a bit more than me and in discussing that one day he started talking about the various reasons he felt his costs were fair. Partly it is a regional difference as well as he has been doing it longer. But the big thing that I felt, knowing his clients as he often will consult with me on things, was trust.
Given that I'm sure that there are others in his area that could do his work for a lower fee his clients are very loyal. Rather thou the trust that they have in him is worth the extra money.
I even used a car analogy. Saying that he was like a trusted mechanic. Since most people don't know much about computers when something is wrong with them, like a car for someone who is not a mechanic, as the repairman you can lie with near impunity as to what is wrong. Or just describe the problem as it really is in such overwhelming technical detail that it sounds much worse than it really is.
I don't think any of us who have been around are very surprised that this goes on. From the moment PCs when mainstream I've seen sleazy repair shop after sleazy repair shop doing the same kinds of things. And it makes it all the easier for me to retain customers given that by doing honest work I build up a trust with them.
Tax credits will shave off almost 70-80% of the purchase price of the turbines over 10 years though. Didn't know we taxpayers were subsidizing this construction, didya?
Yes, yes I did. And not only do I approve we have been doing such things for many years now!
I know it's very fashionable right now to make a lot of noise about what our tax dollars pay for but anyone with a clue has known that they have been paying for a lot of things for a long time now. Only the willfully ignorant, coughfoxnewsviewerscough, get all shocked and amazed when someone like you talk about it.
It, to the best of my understanding, breaks down like this:
Is there a god(s)?
Yes: Theist
I don't know: Agnostic
No, but I can't say for sure: 'Weak' Atheist
No, and there could never be such a thing: 'Strong' Atheist
"...and your Santa Clause eligible..."
Pure win.
Exactly, and furthermore religion is under attack like never before.
Back in the day there were never any good answers to the big questions that religion(s) would provide their 'answers' for. That has changed with not only the physical sciences but the big kicker the biological sciences.
As badly as they reacted to having the whole earth not being the center of the universe deal they are downright scared shitless of evolution. The whole cloud of 'I don't know' is shrinking when people ask the 'big questions' about life and the universe. And go figure that people seem to prefer rational explanations to things rather than mythology.
woosh. (...or just english not your native language)
DIET-y. As in diet.
vs. Deity (a divinity or god)
--
Ummm, he was referring to the fact that the poster wrote 'diety' in stead of 'deity'. Which, given the name of the deity in question, is pretty unintentionally funny.
Woosh and ummm to you both! I actually missed that but I'm quite sure, again research FSM!, that it was intentional.
Those who warship the FSM refer to themselves as Pastafarians fer cipes sake.
Very true. I often have people who can't even tell what exact program they are using. This is while they are in said program. Could easily look up at the top part of their window and see.
To such people it's just a sort of magic box that responds in a certain way when they push certain buttons in a certain sequence. No real thought involved just rote actions.
I just happened to come across a small pic of the FSM yesterday and while reading up on that, love the idea/movement/et all, wondered what the breakdown of belief was in the world.
The best I could come up with on the interwebs was: http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
By those numbers alone Ireland is going to be putting a serious hurting on their tourism. And it's not like they have oil like the other countries that have such draconian laws.
Uh, it's not unintended. FSM is real, Google it!
Disclaimer: Your version of reality might be different than others.
Being of the Libertarian bent I have to like the idea of failure being reintroduced to the market. But I'm also a bit queasy when the current anti-market administration bails out it's friends (look at his economic team) on Wall Street and then allows CIT to fail. The question I instantly asked myself was Why? And why was it's failure so under reported?
Keep in mind that the TARP bailout was enacted and originally administered by the Bush administration. Rough estimiates where that fully half of the bailout was done by Bush's Secretary of the Treasury Henry Paulson.
I'm not going to excuse the Obama admin of doing everything perfectly however when people like yourself omit rather large facts in your argument it does nothing for your creditability.
Just relax and let the hooks do their work.
...when you uninstall their Norton shit
...citing piracy and quality concerns...
I just had lunch so I am going to use the summery here instead of wading though any marketspeak. At first I was upset that they are trying to coat an obvious desire to have the best DRM option over with 'quality'. But then I thought, hell, at least they cited piracy. That's a hell of a lot more than most do these days.
I've grown so used to seeing everything spun without even a nod to the actual issue that it took a few before it sunk in that Blizz at least gave us that nod. Not that at the end of the day it makes a damn bit of difference. Their reasoning behind it is still weak at best and I'm sure they know it.
Just FYI I actually have lived in Fl for over 10 years now. Now while Fl is actually much more of a melting pot than 'the south' we still are down here. I get to deal with a lot of rednecks and backwards type folks.
And if those terms offend your delicate sensibilities, tough. There is so much I can do to sugar coat the level of stupidity and ignorance I have to deal with down here. And counter to that I have to deal with the fact that that stereotype is what others who have never been here. And in reality that while we do have our fair share of dumb rednecks it's no more than what is everywhere these days.
But of course all those levels of nuance are lost on someone as black and white as you. Just keep watching dat NASCAR and preyin Jesus comes soon to take hethans like mah away. (PS I actually like NASCAR too and have been to the Daytona 500, have you?)
Some time ago I worked at Convergys and was able to observe a lot of interesting trends. They did what they could to import cheap H1B people for sure. But the most interesting thing was not just limited to H1Bers. Rather the idea that ticket resolution was so unimportant for so many companies.
Some companies did not even have resolution as a metric for evaluations. If the by the book steps did not fix a customer, oh well! Refer them to someone else like the OEM and have a nice day!
With that in mind someone who is willing to read from a script and make next to nothing is perfect for them. Not that we Americans are excused from this. Some companies do better than others at trying to make sure their phone reps can actually think but I'd still be willing to say the majority of them go into panic mode if the script does not work.
And on top of that you can get some real winners gaming the system then. There was one guy who, while I was auditing an ISPs calls, had a 2m turnover on his calls. I'm not shitting you all, 2m from the time he picked up to when he would be ready for the next customer on average. This was back when DUN would frequently break in 95/98 and need to be reinstalled. So whenever it became clear that needed to be done he would punt the caller with some excuse. Leaving it for the next tech to do so that his numbers would still look 'good'.
Steering back on topic I think the metric for 'employable' when you are talking about tech grads to the CEO in question scores pay and willingness to be browbeaten highly. Stay on script! Keep you call time down! No breaks! Go figure US grads, even accounting for our overinflated sense of entitlement, might not score highly when looking though his lens.
Everytime I visit, I can't wait to get back to the south.
Yeeehaw! Time spent away from my beloved bible belt and NASCAR states sure do rile up mah blood!
So much so that it seems I furget to use paragaphs! Of course all them silly things like riten proper is just for them edumicated northern folkes anyways. 'Real Americans' know what I means!
It would have been one thing had they just requested applicants list all of their social networking sites. And even listed their usernames with each site so that they would know who they were on those sites since most people don't use their real names as their logins. Clearly my real name is not yoshi_mon.
It still would have been a very invasive and ethically dubious practice but not too surprising for a 'red state'.
But to then ask for peoples passwords? That is where the whole thing gets surreal. Why the hell do you need access to the accounts? I've yet to see any real explanation for that part of this nonsense. Not that there really could be a good explanation for it but I'd really like to see what kind of twisted rational was given.