1.- Choose Expert Install
2.- Confirm Expert Install
3.- Choose Keyboard, mouse, etc
4.- Then you get to a "Miscellaneous options" screen before going to the DrakX partitioning part.
5.- Here you check on "Use Hard Drive Optimizations", Choose security level (add paranoia to taste) AAAND...
6.- You specify how much memory you got if by any chance the installer cant recognize it.
See, it wasnt that hard...
I would admit that KDE 2 is a bit of a hog, but then again my graphics card is a piece of crap that came embedded to the motherboard (im saving for a motherboard and graphics card upgrade, any suggestions?)
Moritz Moeller says: And this games stuff, well I played Diablo2 until the end. Under Linux. With wine. Took some fiddling to get it to run, but now it workls just fine.
This is exactly the problem with WINE... Sure, see the screenshots, almost everything works.
But! with some fiddling
Do you think Joe luser will be able to fiddle with WINE to get Diablo II running?
I actually make less than half the money working for the Mexican branch of a major US corporation than the guy who makes the exact same job in Chicago.
But somehow my pay allows me to be middle class and the guy making more than double my salary has two jobs and sometimes has to work overtime to make ends meet. No wonder his union is upset and about to strike...
Its a major bummer though, that imported goods (IE: computer hardware) are worth the same, and sometimes more, than the same goods in the US. So I basically can only upgrade my computer once a year, with my Christmas bonus...
License management: (snitch!)...This issue is only partially mitigated by not going the license route. In order to adequately maintain the environment you need to know what the environment is.
Absolutely right, you have a major point here.
Forced upgrades: can you say library upgrades? I'm willing to bet you will have forced upgrades in the Linux world based on new applications within the next 12 months let alone 5 years (i.e.: 5 years from release of W95 to roughly now). This cost is included in a decent ROI as either maintenance or upgrade costs.
Can you spell apt get upgrade?
Can you put this in a cron script that runs nightly?
Downtime losses -- (snitch again!) 2000 and NT are much more appropriate and Linux has stability that is in at least the same ballpark.
Correct again!
The argument is one of what are you giving up to go Linux over NT/2000?
Again, the Mexico City goverment systems are being planned for very specialized terminals connecting to databases. This is not to replace computer systems already in place, this is to replace systems where people do paperwork by hand.
New hardware is an issue. Think you can run the latest Star Office and get productivity on that P133?
Thats correct again, but again, this is not planned to use office software, at least at the beginning, this is for terminals.
The Mexican goverment uses a lot of typewriters, though...
(snitch yet once more!)
Of course Linux looses immediately due to a lack of user interest -- sad but true.
Why should the users be interested?
Does a clerical worker get to decide which OS he/she uses? Sure the hell not!
Which we have seen less than 5 occurrences in the last year (200 users at location A, 40 hour work week, less than 5 blue screens).
Man, really these people get a different version of Windows... I get the BSOD at work at least daily, to the dismay of the Admins brought by the company.
Disclaimer: I work at the Mexico branch of a US Fortune 100 company.
This is not for office workstations in the most part, but for point-of-sale, routers, databases, and custom-made interfaces (most of them not using X, more likely curses or something similar).
Thats correct, Vuarnet, and as I said elsewhere up, Miguel de Icaza (GNOME creator) is an active member of the PRD, the party now in control of Mexico City.
Miguel de Icaza and other notable Linux people here in Mexico have strong ties with the party that won the mayoral elections in Mexico City.
You can rest assured that this wont happen.
Again, that doesnt apply here... Most govermental software solutions here are either:
Half-assed, rarely working office systems pieced up over time with bootleg windows copies, that spit out data on laser printer that then is archived on paper.
or
Ancient MS-DOS based solutions running on 486's spitting out data on chain printers, that then is archived on paper.
As you can imagine, people dont get tickets when they dont stop at a red light, they are dragged down to the station to pay their fine on the spot (or they grease the officers hand on the spot).
The lack of automation at all levels here is simply the best reason there is to implement new solutions based on the latest and greatest in open-source software.
And as for support, there are more people who work regularly on Linux than MCSE's... At least I know more Linux engineers than _real_ MCSE's...
Windows here is used here by the common guy (and the ocasional script kiddie), not engineers.
Does the name Miguel de Icaza ring a bell?
Did you know that he was involved with the political party that is now in power in Mexico City?
Many people in the public universities have been exposed to Linux for some time now, and many of them now have contacts in the new goverment, both Federal and Local in Mexico City.
Thats absolutely right, and being mexican myself, with friends in midlevel places of the city's goverment, let me tell you that 95%+ of the copies of windows and office currently used are bootleg.
VCDs are very popular here in Mexico City, as they sell in shady markets for about 5 dollars a disk.
They have software to compress DVD movies to VCD size (DivX ?) and then just press copies of the CDs at their hearts content.
The players sell for about 40usd so you can imagine many people in Mexico City play these things... I dont have one yet, but I see them all the time in the markets and the quality looks (at least) as good as VHS.
Space flight isn't that hard! The V2 rockets were space-capable, and the
Nazis were pumping them out by the thousands during war-time shortages, 60 years ago.
>Actually, I really believe if Linux were the
>default desktop in corporations, there would be
>far fewer help desk calls
I disagree - there would be more calls, just different kinds of calls.
Instead of "This is broken", you'd be seeing an awful lot of "I can't figure out how to..."
Not with proper training. Newbies (like we were all at some point) sometimes have problems trying to figure out how to do something because we are used to the 'other' way to do things, but thats easily solved with a well designed training course.
Where I work, (Fortune 100 company), if your job requires you to have a Windows computer, you have to complete training on how to use the OS and all the aplications used here.
Lesson 1 includes such gems as:
*Parts of the Computer
*How to use the mouse
*Description of the directory tree system
*What is the Internet
*How to read and write email using MsOutlook
etc, etc, etc...
The helpdesk here mainly works trying to solve diverse design problems with the Win2000/Exchange based networks (good thing that the mission critical systems are on UNIX) and explaining people that its 'perfectly normal' for the computer to freeze randomly when opening up a new email message.
...and applications that run under Windows GUIs all just *work*.
REALLY?? Your windows apps 'just work'??
Amazing, I switched to Linux because windows 'just didnt work' most of the time.
Although I keep a partition with Win95 to play games and stuff...
Thanks to the Freetype proyect, you can add your favorite truetype fonts to any linux desktop with little hassle, assuming that you own a copy of Windows and maybe Office, so you can legally copy your Tahoma, Arial, Verdana, et al... Or you can go to the free font repositories and download some without the license restrictions.
There are simple newbie-friendly instructions to do this at mandrakeuser.org
Antialiasing and hinting under those desktops are a totally different matter entirely, but at least the fonts are prettier than those horrible T1 fonts (I know there are some beautiful T1 fonts, but those are very expensive to get).
Now Matthias Ettrich posts as an AC???
Whats the world coming to???
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Re:KDE and Dual Monitor Support (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01, @03:35PM CDT (#198)
It's not a Qt issue, but an issue of developers not having access to multihead systems. A desktop can easily be made multiscreen aware without the GUI toolkit supporting several screens per process.
We have patches for KDE 2.1 that do this in a very clean and functional way, unfortunately they didn't make it into the release. But they will be available shortly after.
Regarding sending mail to Trolltech: please don't. Qt3 will indeed support multiple screens per process on both MS-Windows and X11 (it's already available in the snapshot releases).
Remember to chant this over and over while you code:
Beautiful is better than ugly... Explicit is better than implicit... Simple is better than complex...Complex is better than complicated... Flat is better than nested... Sparse is better than dense... Readability counts... Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules... Although practicality beats purity... Errors should never pass silently... Unless explicitly silenced... In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess... There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it... Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch... Now is better than never... Although never is often better than *right* now... If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea... If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea...
I mean yes, they have a player for Linux (a hardly ever updated, propietary player) and yes, they got screwed by Micro$oft, but thats about the only reason I can think you believe they were good guys...
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Affording Hardware (was re: Slow Machine)
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You mentioned:
AMD Duron 650: $49 Abit KT7: $122 128MB PC100 RAM: $42 Seriously, I'm not rich by any stretch of the word (...) It's $213.
Well it depends... Thats a lot of money where I come from... Most of the people here dont make that in a month (I do make around 500USD a month, but thats because I speak good english). So, "by some stretches of the word" yes, you are pretty rich, so please be a little more thoughtful before posting.
If you can't afford that may I suggest another career?
I really wish the job market here was similar to the one in the US, but meanwhile Im stuck programming by night and toiling in phone customer service hell by day.
BTW Mozilla is very very slow in my Celeron 500 with 128Mb RAM...
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1.- Choose Expert Install
2.- Confirm Expert Install
3.- Choose Keyboard, mouse, etc
4.- Then you get to a "Miscellaneous options" screen before going to the DrakX partitioning part.
5.- Here you check on "Use Hard Drive Optimizations", Choose security level (add paranoia to taste) AAAND...
6.- You specify how much memory you got if by any chance the installer cant recognize it.
See, it wasnt that hard...
I would admit that KDE 2 is a bit of a hog, but then again my graphics card is a piece of crap that came embedded to the motherboard (im saving for a motherboard and graphics card upgrade, any suggestions?)
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C'mon, flame me!
And this games stuff, well I played Diablo2 until the end. Under Linux. With wine. Took some fiddling to get it to run, but now it workls just fine.
This is exactly the problem with WINE... Sure, see the screenshots, almost everything works.
But! with some fiddling
Do you think Joe luser will be able to fiddle with WINE to get Diablo II running?
------
C'mon, flame me!
I actually make less than half the money working for the Mexican branch of a major US corporation than the guy who makes the exact same job in Chicago.
But somehow my pay allows me to be middle class and the guy making more than double my salary has two jobs and sometimes has to work overtime to make ends meet. No wonder his union is upset and about to strike...
Its a major bummer though, that imported goods (IE: computer hardware) are worth the same, and sometimes more, than the same goods in the US. So I basically can only upgrade my computer once a year, with my Christmas bonus...
------
C'mon, flame me!
But they want to migrate before the BSA catches them...
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Gringo pendejo (yes, that was a well deserved flame)
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Absolutely right, you have a major point here.
Forced upgrades: can you say library upgrades? I'm willing to bet you will have forced upgrades in the Linux world based on new applications within the next 12 months let alone 5 years (i.e.: 5 years from release of W95 to roughly now). This cost is included in a decent ROI as either maintenance or upgrade costs.
Can you spell apt get upgrade?
Can you put this in a cron script that runs nightly?
Downtime losses -- (snitch again!) 2000 and NT are much more appropriate and Linux has stability that is in at least the same ballpark.
Correct again!
The argument is one of what are you giving up to go Linux over NT/2000?
Again, the Mexico City goverment systems are being planned for very specialized terminals connecting to databases. This is not to replace computer systems already in place, this is to replace systems where people do paperwork by hand.
New hardware is an issue. Think you can run the latest Star Office and get productivity on that P133?
Thats correct again, but again, this is not planned to use office software, at least at the beginning, this is for terminals.
The Mexican goverment uses a lot of typewriters, though...
(snitch yet once more!)
Of course Linux looses immediately due to a lack of user interest -- sad but true.
Why should the users be interested?
Does a clerical worker get to decide which OS he/she uses? Sure the hell not!
------
C'mon, flame me!
Man, really these people get a different version of Windows... I get the BSOD at work at least daily, to the dismay of the Admins brought by the company.
Disclaimer: I work at the Mexico branch of a US Fortune 100 company.
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Can we recalculate costs again?
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So it all makes sense
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Miguel de Icaza and other notable Linux people here in Mexico have strong ties with the party that won the mayoral elections in Mexico City.
You can rest assured that this wont happen.
But I am pretty sure they'll try! ; )
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Half-assed, rarely working office systems pieced up over time with bootleg windows copies, that spit out data on laser printer that then is archived on paper.
or
Ancient MS-DOS based solutions running on 486's spitting out data on chain printers, that then is archived on paper.
As you can imagine, people dont get tickets when they dont stop at a red light, they are dragged down to the station to pay their fine on the spot (or they grease the officers hand on the spot).
The lack of automation at all levels here is simply the best reason there is to implement new solutions based on the latest and greatest in open-source software.
And as for support, there are more people who work regularly on Linux than MCSE's... At least I know more Linux engineers than _real_ MCSE's... Windows here is used here by the common guy (and the ocasional script kiddie), not engineers.
Does the name Miguel de Icaza ring a bell?
Did you know that he was involved with the political party that is now in power in Mexico City?
Many people in the public universities have been exposed to Linux for some time now, and many of them now have contacts in the new goverment, both Federal and Local in Mexico City.
------
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We want our Slashdot icon!!!
The dead parrot is a good idea, but my vote goes to the ferocious rabbit.
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They have software to compress DVD movies to VCD size (DivX ?) and then just press copies of the CDs at their hearts content.
The players sell for about 40usd so you can imagine many people in Mexico City play these things... I dont have one yet, but I see them all the time in the markets and the quality looks (at least) as good as VHS.
------
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Dream on, Geek! LOL!
sorry, couldnt resist! : )
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Goodwin's Law: you lose!
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>default desktop in corporations, there would be
>far fewer help desk calls
I disagree - there would be more calls, just different kinds of calls. Instead of "This is broken", you'd be seeing an awful lot of "I can't figure out how to..."
Not with proper training. Newbies (like we were all at some point) sometimes have problems trying to figure out how to do something because we are used to the 'other' way to do things, but thats easily solved with a well designed training course.
Where I work, (Fortune 100 company), if your job requires you to have a Windows computer, you have to complete training on how to use the OS and all the aplications used here.
Lesson 1 includes such gems as:
*Parts of the Computer
*How to use the mouse
*Description of the directory tree system
*What is the Internet
*How to read and write email using MsOutlook
etc, etc, etc...
The helpdesk here mainly works trying to solve diverse design problems with the Win2000/Exchange based networks (good thing that the mission critical systems are on UNIX) and explaining people that its 'perfectly normal' for the computer to freeze randomly when opening up a new email message.
------
C'mon, flame me!
REALLY?? Your windows apps 'just work'??
Amazing, I switched to Linux because windows 'just didnt work' most of the time.
Although I keep a partition with Win95 to play games and stuff...
------
C'mon, flame me!
There are simple newbie-friendly instructions to do this at mandrakeuser.org
Antialiasing and hinting under those desktops are a totally different matter entirely, but at least the fonts are prettier than those horrible T1 fonts (I know there are some beautiful T1 fonts, but those are very expensive to get).
------
C'mon, flame me!
Whats the world coming to???
--------->AC post starts here:
Re:KDE and Dual Monitor Support (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01, @03:35PM CDT (#198)
It's not a Qt issue, but an issue of developers not having access to multihead systems. A desktop can easily be made multiscreen aware without the GUI toolkit supporting several screens per process.
We have patches for KDE 2.1 that do this in a very clean and functional way, unfortunately they didn't make it into the release. But they will be available shortly after.
Regarding sending mail to Trolltech: please don't. Qt3 will indeed support multiple screens per process on both MS-Windows and X11 (it's already available in the snapshot releases).
Matthias Ettrich
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#!/usr/bin/python
print "Hello World"
Remember to chant this over and over while you code:
Beautiful is better than ugly... Explicit is better than implicit... Simple is better than complex...Complex is better than complicated... Flat is better than nested... Sparse is better than dense... Readability counts... Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules... Although practicality beats purity... Errors should never pass silently... Unless explicitly silenced... In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess... There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it... Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch... Now is better than never... Although never is often better than *right* now... If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea... If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea...
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Yuck!!!!
Well, you could be forgiven if you are a teenager... Only at that age you can digest such a soap-opera...
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I mean yes, they have a player for Linux (a hardly ever updated, propietary player) and yes, they got screwed by Micro$oft, but thats about the only reason I can think you believe they were good guys...
------
C'mon, flame me!
AMD Duron 650: $49 Abit KT7: $122 128MB PC100 RAM: $42 Seriously, I'm not rich by any stretch of the word (...) It's $213.
Well it depends... Thats a lot of money where I come from... Most of the people here dont make that in a month (I do make around 500USD a month, but thats because I speak good english). So, "by some stretches of the word" yes, you are pretty rich, so please be a little more thoughtful before posting.
If you can't afford that may I suggest another career?
I really wish the job market here was similar to the one in the US, but meanwhile Im stuck programming by night and toiling in phone customer service hell by day.
BTW Mozilla is very very slow in my Celeron 500 with 128Mb RAM...
My feelings exactly... plz check on my post above.