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KDE 2.1 Beta 2 and Nautilus PR 3 - are out
As the title says - KDE 2.1 Beta 2, and Nautilus Preview Release 3 are out. Both are in the last beta stages. So, if you like KDE or you like GNOME, then go ahead - download the source or binaries, install, test, torch it - and give bug reports. KDE announcment is here which includes LOTS of improvments, while on the Eazel side, there is a nice demo mode which you can test it here or download it here. Enjoy.
I'd tell you which menu, but right now it is completely refusing to startup.
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In a real emergency, we would have all fled in terror, and you would not have been notified.
- kpr0nharvest v0.93b2 - A KDE application that mass-downloads material from the alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.* hierarchy of netnews
- ines2600 v1.0 - An Atari 2600 emulator implemented as a Nintendo Entertainment System ROM image, suitable for use in iNES or the Nintendo emulator of your choice
- gweatheraudio v0.23 - A GTK+-based application that downloads a JPEG of the North American cloud cover from the National Weather Service, converts it to PCM audio, and feeds it to
/dev/dsp
- qdildo v1.3 - A Qt-based program that uses your machine's serial port to control various household devices according to several preset patterns
- billbros v2.0 - An X11 parody of Super Mario Brothers featuring Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer working their way through eight wacky and wonderful words of destruction and mayhem
- budwm v0.3b2 - A new window manager that pipes "WAZZZZAAAAP" through your speakers every time you open a new application
- crap-b-gon v1.13a - A filtering package that blocks material written by BSD users
- kB1FF - A KDE application that pops up a window reading "Y0U H4V3 N3W M41L, D00D!" whenever a new mail message arrives in your mailbox
- ModeratorBuddy v3.3 - A curses-based program that takes your ZIP code as input and determines the nearest available dealer of $3 crack
It seems a shame that with all of this software being released, Slashdot seems to have ignored nearly all of it in favor of those packages that are perceived as being "high-visibility." Let's get out to Freshmeat, people, and start downloading.We're going down, in a spiral to the ground
I dunno - what's actually "new" in the MS GUI?
It seems it's mainly a collection of elements
which have been around for a long time.
The start menu is just a variation of the root
menu - just tied to a button rather than to the
root window - big deal. Same for the task
bar/panel the elements are there in openwin and
CDE, too. For example CDE can give you a little
box with icons representing your running apps -
you click on the one you want and it pops into the
foreground. Very similar to a taskbar really. That
was around long before Windows 95, too. Clicking
on icons on the desktop? - openwin had it. Drag
and drop also was around on SUN desktops.
What's innovative about putting the clutch on the
left, brake in the middle and the accelerator on
the right?
It makes a lot of sense to standardize on these
things, and I'm glad KDE and Gnome won't go for
this "everything has to be different" philosophie.
XRender provides the antialiasing for freetype. Evas uses freetype to do fonts.
treke
Actually, the 2.1b2 builds have been in Debian woody for almost a week now.
Hey, if anyone else using woody is having odd Konqueror behaviour let me know..
Are you as gullible to trolls as you sound?
Or you could just wait a little while and get it out of the main Debian archive - make sure you're using unstable, and not woody (woody is now testing).
Because I happen to own (as in, "paid for with my own damn money") about 400 CDs. I rip them myself, with the highest quality I can, which makes for larger than normal files. I wouldn't WANT anything from (Napster|Gnutella|Usenet) because a) the quality is usually crap, b) the ID3 tags are just plain wrong, and c) I want to OWN my music. I may want to rip it with OGG, I may want to play with my own encoding, whatever.
Now, run along little troll. I'm sure you have some new 5|r1pt to download and run. Perhaps you'll probe my firewall one day, and I'll have the pleasure of getting your ISP to shut you down....
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hmm.. i have noticed, that some errors of this kind are caused by broken configs in the ~/.kde2 directory after installing a new beta/prerelease of kde 1.9x... i got rid of them by deleting that directory and let it recreate by kde the next time it started. it might be sufficient to just delete some of the config-files related to the particular problem, but thats untestet ;-)
I don't know about the rest of you, but I've never seen anything like the demo on the website. I'm quite taken aback... here's a way to try out linux without leaving the security of internet explorer on my Windows 2000 machine. What a way to draw new users to linux:
"here, just visit this URL and see what linux can do for you."
Great idea. I'm a step closer to buckling down and installing linux on a partition.
-Erik
took the integration and modularity further than IE in the form of transparent I/O. Konqueror can browse FTP archives just as a local disk. IE has a similar feature but it is not truly transparent like this.
One of the coolest things you can do in KDE is access files via URLs from *any* KDE application.
For instance:
Kwrite->File->Open->ftp://me@host/file.txt
Or you can just browse to the same FTP site with Konqueror and right-click file.txt and choose Kwrite. Both ways work.
Anyway, it will open that file on the server. Clicking on Kwrite's save button will cause the KDE I/O subsystem to ftp the file back to the server.
Basically if it works in Konqueror's location bar, then it works everywhere else. This is insanely useful, not to mention just plain cool!
-Justin
Additionally, Nautilus needs a better way to edit mimetypes. Ideally, I'd right-click a file, and have the options of:
For example, Gnumeric files are identified as gzip files (since a Gnumeric file is a gzip'ed XML file) that happen to end in ".gnumeric". While Nautilus knows about Gnumeric, it does not know to associate *.gnumeric with Gnumeric.
Also, when I first launched Gnumeric, it scanned every file system for trashcan folders. Not good, since I have my server's 40G MP3 directory mounted via NFS...
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Without installing Gnome or KDE - even their libs? That's cool. E can be a desktop environment by itself!
Hey I hate to brake it to you but the source code for the second beta has ben avalable for over a week now on their FTP site.
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All of the sudden, Konqueror got good! It used to have a LOT of Java, Javascript, SSL, etc. issues, athough it was good for lightweight browsing in KDE2. I've been using the new beta all day, though (including testing all the weird features), and its worked great. One crash while trying to load a netscape plugin so far, but thats not bad for 4+ hours of use. Java is slow to start, but otherwise works great. SSL is very good: fast and stable (so far).
If only they could support IMAP in KMail working properly, I'd be able to leave Netscape behind. . .
--JRZ
Yeah! Kung-fu ninjas with hot syrupy pancakes rule!!!
It's night-time, when the trolls lurk, so I say let them eat grits!
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XML causes global warming.
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To get the RPMs to install, I had to use --oldpackage with RPM to install both libghttp (as noted on their RH 7 install instructions) and also bonobo.
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After installing, it started with some "first time" configuration stuff, then promptly crashed. Trying to restart it resulted in an error about having to reboot or re-installing. Rebooting worked.
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Unfortunately, it insists on setting the desktop background color. Yay, just what we need, an Nth way to do this. Somehow, after launching Nautilus, trying to set the background with GNOME, Enlightenmnet, or even xsetroot fails. You have to go into one of the menus with pixmaps on it, select the "solid color" button to the left, and drag and drop it to your background.
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While it definitely looks better than PR2, it is unfortunately so far a lot more unstable for me. (Red Hat 7, PIII 400Mhz, latest Ximian everything). It crashed on first time after install; now it is refusing to startup.
Your mileage will vary, but while I am excited with a new release, and it does look a lot better---maybe even faster than PR2---I am surprised at the stability problems I've seen so far. (3:1 ratio of crashes to successful runs? Rebooting to fix problems? I feel like I'm in Windows...) I didn't use PR2 super extensively, but it definitely didn't have these problems. Especially when I've heard GNOME 1.4 is due in February, and Nautilus is supposed to be the included file manager. I would hate to see GNOME's excellent stability (yes, in 2000, GNOME became very stable) tainted...And yes, I do plan to contribute by filing lots of bug reports...
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Now everything seems settled... I hope.
My 0.02 euro. Use it wisely.
Step One: enable desktop menu
:-)
Step Two: move kicker to the top and autohide it
Step Four: choose BII decoration and System theme
Step Five: enjoy
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O yeah! That's one IS called Apple Computer (or XEROX PARC, for the purist)
But you must be wrong...they CAN innovate.
go get a read at www.asktog.com
Whats the world coming to???
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Re:KDE and Dual Monitor Support (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01, @03:35PM CDT (#198)
It's not a Qt issue, but an issue of developers not having access to multihead systems. A desktop can easily be made multiscreen aware without the GUI toolkit supporting several screens per process.
We have patches for KDE 2.1 that do this in a very clean and functional way, unfortunately they didn't make it into the release. But they will be available shortly after.
Regarding sending mail to Trolltech: please don't. Qt3 will indeed support multiple screens per process on both MS-Windows and X11 (it's already available in the snapshot releases).
Matthias Ettrich
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No sig for the moment.
so wait a few month. Maybe you can associate "xmms %u" to mp3 urls until then?
Have fun!
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My fault :(.
Ciao
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You also need a DRI-capable card, which means kernel 2.4. IIRC, 2.2 only has support for an older version of DRI, and doesn't have AGP card support.
I followed the instructions from MandrakeForum.org. It's really a bitch to get going. I got it semi-working, but managed to destabilize my machine pretty bad in the process, so I reverted back to XFree 4.01
Unless you're a masochist or X developer, you're probably best off waiting for it to show up in distros.
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And you guys say you don't steal music... Why do I keep seeing phrases like this? "My entire music library in 20 gigs." Then where are the CD's you buy?
Can't fool me! You are all thieves... Hope you are ready to start paying!
> Is it just me, or is KDE's UI full of spelling
> mistakes and capitalization inconsistencies?
It is just you. Please could you report where the incosistencies are? This is a beta after all.. Meant for fixing bugs.
> Also, what's up with that "kdeinit" shit? This
> is not a flame, I like KDE, but these two
> things bug me.
kdeinit speeds up the loading of KDE apps a lot, as the dynaimic linker ld is not necessary. (That is my layman's unsdertstanding of it....). How does it bother you? WHat should be improved?
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Just installed the beta, and discovered a new app, called Pixie Image Mangement System (PMS). It is among other things, a thumbnail, image cataloger and viewer.
Now this is a critical new desktop application, for all of us who has large collections of pr0n^H^H scientific NASA images to manage.
"Eye-candy" says some, but sometimes you just want to see some flesh^H^H^H flashy pictures of huge boo^H^H binary star systems.
Yes, KDE2 does seem to be slightly slower than KDE1, especially on startup. It feels a lot more solid and robust though, despite a couple glitches here and there.
I'm hoping that speed will improve with KDE2.1. I don't think it's a configuration issue.
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It's a bit slow on my old Linux box, a K6/200 w 64M memory. Its worth trying out and having fun with, but it might be annoying for day-to-day use. On my 750 at work and my 1100 at home its completely usable though (I replaced gmc with it), with the smooth graphics turned on.
If you want to use it with a 200MHz machine, you'll probably want to disable "Use smoother (but slower) graphics", turn off "Use Nautilus to draw the desktop" (this capability is much improved, but still buggy and slow, even somewhat slow on the 1100.), and change most of the "speed tradeoffs" options to never. If the box is SCSI, you should be fine leaving a lot of these options on. The packages worked fine on both RH6.2 and RH7.0 systems for me, all of them already had Helix Gnome though.
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They scream, it's for geeks, no one can use it! It's for servers ACK!!
The coders code, the weak fall, and the mighty tremble.....an award winning GUI or 2 are born.
But you can't do that, GUI's are for desktops and Linux is a great server!!
the coders code, khttpd and better smp comes out, nicer memory handling, USB support. Databases that are so fast commercial apps are forced to go open source.
MS is so upset it says "Linux is going to die by the end of the year". Critics claim that "without better market penetration (i.e. Linux on the desktop) that the open source OS is going no where"
The truth is Linux can do a lot of things very well. Where you put your time coding is your choise. You choose to do something you like, or enjoy. There is no one "target" that works for the entire Linux market. It's simple too big. As far the detractors, keep bitching the coders are listening
.......and the coders code......
"Science is about ego as much as it is about discovery and truth " - I said it, so sue me.
and I'm a long-time *nix programmer. Do you think that just because I'm a programmer that I probably use nothing but the console? Pretty desktops are not only for converting Windows users. I find KDE to be extremely functional!
:)
Konqueror has true I/O transparency (great for FTP) and is more stable than any other web browser I've used. There's even a checkbox for disabling popups!
A true programmer loves a command line interface as well, and Konsole supports multiple terminal sessions in one window via a tabbed interface. Keeps xterm clutter down
While there are other aspects of Linux that need developing as well, I don't think anyone should neglect a project like this one. I was more anxious to get KDE 2.0 than Linux 2.4. Don't worry, there are enough developers in this world. A person writing for KDE is not taking away from potential crypto development =P
If you think that desktop environments are just for newbies, think again. Would you believe that in the sound notification section of KDE, you can specify to log all events to stderr? Toto, we are sooo in unixland.
-Justin
It works great. Haven't stumbled onto anything nasty yet. No doubt I will soon :)
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Hi, According to release notes on KDE, KOffice is *NOT* part of the KDE 2.1 Beta 3 release. I found that confusing? Does anyone know why? Is it because of KWord stability problems or is it just that they were not ready in time to make the release. Does anyone know? Thanks, Kevin
Yeah... no thanks. I'll stick with 6.2 :P
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Maybe if you compiled all of RH7.1 with "kgcc"
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Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
Just upgraded to KDE 2.1b2. I think it is really zippy, it is way more responsive and faster than MS-Windows (on my faster box) and KDE1.
I run it on an old PPro 200Mhz, with a old and slow Cirrus Logic 1MB pci video card, but KDE seems really fast. The box has lots of RAM though, and runs kernel 2.4.0. And I have disabled system sounds, -that seemed to speed up the previous release of KDE. (And I just _hate_ all kinds of system sound schemes, -especially the funny ones, grumph!)
Regards
Peter H.S.
Hi, :)
As far as I know most GTK and Gnome stuff is made with C, but if I'm wrong, please correct me.
Most of slashdotters doesn't seem to appriciate OO programming (or design), but I think KDE demonstrates power of Objects. Once framework is done, building applications and features (and integrating them) becomes quite easy. I presume that future KDE development will be quite fast and truly makes KDE desktop delight to use. I enjoy it allready..
... which is called IceWM
Actually, I don't quite understand why you are shifting the topic from file managers to windows managers, and why only people with less-than-500-MHz-CPU-box need them to be GNOME compliant.
runs great on my Amiga 500
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kde.tdyc.com
In fact 2.1b2 has been there for over 4 days
From the freshly started kde-debian FAQ:
6.-Q: How do I install it...I can't find a package called "kde"?
A: 27 Jan 2001
Go to http://kde.tdyc.com/ find a mirror close to you...throw that apt line in...apt-get install task-kde
if you want 2.1 beta packages you need to add a "beta" to the end of the apt line.
Never underestimate the dark side of the Source
While I agree on the first point to some degree (particularly with package updating systems), I think you are confused about your second point. Nautilus is a file manager. Evolution is a mail client.
--Ben
Er, actually, they're both bitchin, and the flamewar is over.
,can we start creating desktop environments that actually match most desktop users, i.e., for people that choose aps based on quality rather than toolkit religion? I use KDE, Konqueror, and most of my other apps happen to GNOME based. This is because, to my own taste, Konqueror is the best fiel manager, and the (gnome based) rp3 is the best dial up tool.
Damned straight. Now we know that neither KDE or GNOME are about to go anywhere soon
* There's no (combined) style guide, so my kde apps shortcuts don't work in GNOME. And the common dialogues in both look completely different.
* There's no combined mime types, though I am told this is coming.
* The toolkits theme differently, so I configure the look and feel of one set of apps in a different place to another
* DND still doesn't work all the time. My respect goes out to whoever can prove me wrong by dragging a file out of a Konq FTP session onto a GNOME desktop. Yes, I've reported the bug. No, it hasn't been fixed.
* I can't have GNOME panel apps on my KDE panel, and vbice versa
* Package maintainers have to put apps in seperate directories for KDE and GNOME menus. Users have to update and manage them both.
* Eazel services tells me about nifty apps for any tollkit of desktop environment as long as its not QT or KDE. KDE calls GNOME `legacy' in their theme importer. And various other childish actions on both sides.
* Differing icon standards mean icons from apps designed around different desktop environments (not that this should ever be the case) look poor in another.
Actually, I don't think the gnome project was responsible for the Gimp or GnuCash. Sawfish, as far as I know, was an independant project initially that worked out REAL well. (Feel free to correct me on that last point - it's based on what I remember from way back when it was starting out as Sawmill.) However, your overall point is good. I will quite happily use either, usually mixing applications between the two.
"I object to doing things that computers can do." -- Olin Shivers, lispers.org
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Lousy trolls. I got all excited when I saw "A Real Case" thinking there might be beer involved. Then I saw "Against The Jews" and thought, I can't drink that. Mmmm... race hate. See? It just doesn't work.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
I've noticed lots of sites doing that lately. I think they just use some really quick redirect.
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I find it disturbing that Nautilus "currently" only supports Red Hat systems. On my Slackware system, the installer doesn't work at all. So, anyone who can't get the installer working has to download confusing source code and package updates. I'm used to downloading and building software, I've been using Linux for four years. But for a piece of software that's supposed to be for the end-user, and supposed to be easy to use, this is not good.
Granted, a lot of people use Red Hat. But there is absolutely no reason why a piece of software, especially open source software, should be limited to one distribution. A lot of Linuxers don't use Red Hat, and won't go anywhere near it -- I'm one of them. I use Slackware and Debian, and it'd be nice if I could try this Nautilus thing out. But so far, it looks like I don't even have a chance, unless I download all the source code and system updates. All that just for a preview, one that still may not work since I'm not on Red Hat? No thanks.
They say they will support "most major distributions" in the future. Why not now? Code and support should be given for those "major" distributions now, so the compatibility problems can be worked out early on, not when you're mired in tons of code that you don't want to change. This strikes me as a very poor development approach, and I don't feel it's consistent with the ways of open source -- to give users a choice.
I would first off like to state that I think the work that Eazel has been able to accomplish this past year is excellent. Nautilus is growing into a killer desktop application for Linux. That makes two killer applications for the desktop if you count KDE2 and its suite of applications.
I do have one gripe. Eazel has created the perfect merger between the desktop interface and the Internet. Eazel and their services integrate the user experience and the web. It is a great idea, but why aren't there tons of published documents on creating web services? Eazel could really have something unique in the desktop arena if they acted as a portal to tons of 3rd party web services. All Eazel would have to do is provide the framework and the servers for the base services. As far as I have been able to tell from their web site, the backend of Eazel's services run on a little Java 2, a dash of JDBC, a dash of CORBA, and who knows what else. These are the roots of a great object based framework for web services. By providing a framework that is well documented, companies like Kodak could develop a web service for printing pictures through Kodak's net services and getting them mailed to your home. For the user, they would just be browsing their picture folder, they see a button appear in the side panel saying something like "Print Pictures @ Kodak", they click the button and bam, all the photos in that folder are mailed to them in a week on glossies. All of the services are run through Kodak's servers. Eazel just acts as a portal to those services, and as an money making opportunity for Eazel, they could provide turn key solutions for companies that don't have the time/developers to create the services. There is a lot of power in allowing anyone to put some servers together, create a web service, register it with Eazel, and the services are instantly available on Eazel's website and in every user's desktop instantaneously.
That would be an application that companies like Microsoft could only dream of having. .NET demands Windows 2000 servers, and Windows .NET languages. Eazel could provide everything that .NET could provide with an open framework for desktop web services, but allow 3rd parties to create web servers with any type of server, and any damn design that makes them happy.
IE doesn't use plugins. It uses a proprietary architecture with serious security problems called ActiveX. ActiveX Controls, unlike plugins and Java applets, can run hogwild through your Windozer. They are not limited to a "sandbox."
Hostile ActiveX Controls can behave like a system virus. Anyone with a clue turns ActiveX OFF COMPLETELY.
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Yes, Nautilus is a lot faster nowadays and Eazel is still profiling and working on performance issues. On my box (AMD K6-2 450 Mhz with 256 Mb RAM) it's quite fast. There are a few areas that are still a tad sluggish. Opening a new window takes long enough to make it annoying to wait and my home directory which has quite a few directories and files also takes a while to load. Once it does load the first time, though, things move along at a good pace.
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Will KDE ever create support for dual monitor support in its window manager?
I would really love to have both my monitors up and running in Xfree4... It would be soooooo nice.....
While I agree on the first point to some degree (particularly with package updating systems), I think you are confused about your second point. Nautilus is a file manager. Evolution is a mail client.
I believe he ment that installing Nautilus updated the libs that Evolution required, and now Evolution doesn't work.
"I'll take the red pill. No! Blue! AAAaaaahhhhhhhhh"
- Monty Python meets the Matrix
there is a nice demo mode which you can test
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kick door elephant. They weren't thinking very much when they made their acronym.
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Doesn't look a bit like Mac OS X to me.
Or do you mean that little irrelevent company from Redmond?
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- Jeff
You can get the AA stuff working right now, but it takes a bit of fiddling. It is to do with patching QT to use the Xrender extensions available in Xfree86 4.0.2. Since KDE uses QT for drawing etc, it automatically benefits from it.) There are a few guides for it around the place, and I'm pretty sure there's one in the archives at www.mandrakeforum.com (though it may be a bit MDK specific). You need to be running Xfree86 4.0.2 with the Xrender/Freetype2 stuff set up right. and then patch + compile QT yourself IIRC. The screenshots I've seen are pretty darn swet though!
Has anyone gotten Konqueror to play MP3s from the web?
I've fiddled with the file associations and mime type, etc and I can't get it to work.
m3u i'm talking about here, audio/x-mpegurl, like from mp3.com's site.
thanks!
-geekd
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Nobody is stopping you from using another filemanager. You're just unlucky not to be the target audience.
The sidebar can be turned off using View/Hide Sidebar as well as in the preference dialog in the ski menu. Turning it off even improves speed as the Bonobo components are unloaded (I think).
I disagree, in fact I find the Eazel folks to abandon legacy stuff in order to improve user-friendlyness for those truly new to computers (not Mac, Windows converts). An example is that Nautilus doesn't have copy-n-paste, this is something that can be confusing at first, the Eazel team decided not to include it as it's a bad metaphore (sp.) in their opinion (I'm starting to agree BTW).
Speed has already improved *a lot* and I'm sure it 'll improve even more.
Monkey sense
"Flamebait"?????
How is "I'm a long-time programmer and I actually find many of KDE's features helpful", "KDE won't cause a shortage of crypto development", and "It's not just for newbies anymore" classified as "Flamebait"?
I, on the other hand, am more of a "grovelling newbie" *nix programmer, but I find KDE handy as well. If kwrite had a native "HTML with PHP" highlight mode I'd be in heaven (meanwhile I can get by using PERL highlight mode for php, which works reasonably well, until Quanta+ is out of beta...)
Or is that "Flamebait" too?
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Yeah, what's up with that? That has got to be most annoying non-feature of KDE2. At least you can sort by date, a feature that was sorely missing in KDE1.x. One step forward, one step back.
But keep those KDE/Qt/Gtk apps comming! Konquer works very well, albeit with a few annoying issues (no dot dir's in left pane tree, and a funky transition between "web" and "file" views.)
I Just can't give up that sweet e eyecandy (Aqua), those cool pop-out pagers, and a really clean desktop. Icons and fat toolbars on the desktop are really annoying.
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Finally its development will not be hindered by the need to support two radically different user interfaces.
there's a mirror located here
(only it's /.'d as well!)
*** I am the real stylewagon
I think you are confused about your second point. Nautilus is a file manager. Evolution is a mail client.
No, he's not confused. The specific library theya re talking about is bonobo - to install the latest versions of evolution or nautilus, you inevitably need a newer version on bonobo, which breaks one or the other. I can't speak for this preview release, but to install evolution, I had to install a newer version of bonobo which broke nautilus.
no wait... the frames point to the same url.
duh (sorry)
*** I am the real stylewagon
Remember the Netscape Constellation project back in umm.. 1997 I think.. It was rumored to become a part of Netscape Communicator 4.0 and it was to integrate the OS shell, your browser, your push channels (heh) and your calendar. Netscape was going to build it with HTML, Java and JavaScript - a "platform" they called "Netscape ONE" as in Open Network Environment.
Then NS4 came but there was no Constellation. Instead, and I think it didn't even come right away, there was Netcaster, a crappy app put together in a hurry, made from signed JavaScript, Java applets and HTML, that received Marimba and HTML channels. Microsoft quickly followed with IE4 that had true desktop and OS integration to the browser, and a solid push implementation (not that it mattered, since push was dead at birth).
Desktop integration has never really been a big thing, though it lives on in Windows OS's. What HAS been successful is Windows OS's sharing the Explorer app (think "file manager") with the web browser. Directories can be customized using HTML files in just about any way you want.
Some 3 years later, Nautilus arrives on Linux. What I would like to know is what it does differently (better?) than IE/Explorer or Constellation. Does it also copy/inherit from other similar systems that I fail to remember and mention? I know it embeds Mozilla, which means it can probably also easily embed another browser Konqueror.. but then again, the same is true for the Microsoft shell, as IE is just an ActiveX component.. So.. what's new? What's good? What's better?
I assumed that it was "linux file manipulation for newbies" (ie, cp, rm, ls etc)
I use and like the command line for all file manipulation. But curiosity got the better of me, so I downloaed it. Here are my impressions:
I doesn't get any better looking than this - georgous comes to mind.
Downlaod and install was smooth as silk. Eazal is offering 25mb of online storage for free??? - sign me up!
Browser, file manager, file preview, network access, etc. all in one! Damn, that's cool! I bet it evan does ftp???
Did I mention how pretty it is?
I always felt that the Eazal folks were doing good work - I just assumed I wouldn't want to use it. I WAS WRONG! This puppy just got added to my "gota have it" list. In fact, instead of replacing Netscape 4.x with Mozilla (which I was gong to do when the remove all the debugging code from mozilla), I'm thinking of using Nautilus as a full time browser instead. So far it works better than either of the others do (IMHO).
If you haven't checked it out, I'd recommend it 100%.
Keep up the good work Eazel!
Personally its not God I dislike, its his fan club I cant stand (bash.org)
I installed Eazel PR3 on my P200 96ram machine and it was so slow that it was not useable. Just installed it on my 500p3 256ram tonight. Not only does it look pretty, but runs very well. Still a few bugs though. I just hope that Eazel and Ximian can polish things up in a fair amount of time with everyones eyes on them. Regarding KDE 2.1 beta that I run on my faster machine as well, it also looks and runs well. However Gnome is definantly gaining it's respect quickly.
A non-Gnome-zealot article from the Slashdot crew.
Isn't that like, the fifth sign of the apocolypse?
Hey, are you using EFM? I'm just curious. ALL I want is a usable file manager, which also lets you put shortcuts on desktops. Does EFM let you put symlinks on the root window directly?
It's only been up on /. for TEN MINUTES and the demos on the site are already hosed? sheesh. Don't you peeps ever sleep? 8)
Nautilus is going to be really sweet when I get around to installing 'Nux on my Be machine.
gigantino.tv - Heavy but weighs nothing.
This is obviously my personal experience, but Nautilus PR 1 and 2 had some serious performance and stability issues. I've had PR3 crash a few times, and it still takes too damn long to open new windows, but its definitely worth trying. There is no comparison between this release and the previous two, IMHO.
Also, if you have a 500MHz computer, be sure to turn OFF "smoother but slower graphics"
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If you're looking for something like kwrite with good support for HTML+PHP, you might give SciTE a try. It seems to fit your wish list pretty well.
Hm...are you using the debug version of QT? You can recompile KDE and QT without the debug info and they'll be a lot faster, or so I heard.
you can also do a strip --strip-debug on the binaries and see if it gets any better. Just remember don't do a --strip-all to the libs.
That way the news item will have dropped off the front page at slashdot, and I'll have access to an extra phat pipe for the iso image.
(Living in an dsl desert is not my idea of fun!)
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Well, taking a look over the shoulder, we can see how much of an argue it was between KDE (1) and GNOME, now the thing is, KDE2 is really very nice and has, in my opinion, _nothing_ to do with the previous version. I don't know your opinion but, for instance, Balsa is one of the few programs doing the trick for GNOME now.
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Hi,
I know kde has been experimenting with anitaliased fonts and have a working preview. When can we expect this to be integrated in one of the betas ?
When can we expect anything anti-aliased from the gnome/xfree camps ? IMHO this is one of the main missing features of desktop linux (along with the lack of a sorenson codec).
"We Apologize. The demo is busy.
The demo that you requested is very popular and currently over-subscribed.
Please try again in a few minutes."
So I tap the old back button to return to slashdot. Only thier main page hijacks it. No backing up from the site. While the pulldown back menu got me out unscathed, fucking with *my* back button?? It's exit only Pal!
Banned from moderation 01-27-2002. Fuck you too
I'd just like to see them post patches to move up to 2.2... I don't have broadband here.
blessings,
"Only in their dreams can men truly be free 'twas always thus, and always thus will be."
--Tom Schulman
I am still concerned about Nautilus's lack of support for the .desktop file standard. *.desktop files are the standard for program launchers in both GNOME and KDE. Nautilus uses it's own file format for launchers on the desktop.
.desktop file for localization. You can specify if a program needs to run in a terminal, or what programs to use to open, edit, or view a file. The same format is used for urls.
.nautilus-metafile.xml. It also gets a "no write" emblem. The name that appears under the icon is the actual file name of the symlink (bad for localization). There is no way to specify that a program needs to run in a terminal. An entirely different format is used for urls, and this time the icon is specified in the file, not in .nautilus-metafile.xml.
.desktop files specify an icon, a program to launch or url to open, and the text label and tooltip for more information. The translations for the text labels are contained in the
Nautilus's system is inconsistent and incoherent. Dragging a program from the GNOME menu makes a symlink to the excutable program. The icon is specified in
I am not just complaining. I test Nautilus on a daily basis and file bug reports. I think this is a design problem that has been overlooked and is of greater importance than some people at Eazel believe. I sincerely want Nautilus to be the best file manager / desktop environmant possible.
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
hmmmm...whats the name of that corporation that "cannot innovate"? You know, the one that spends millions of dollars to test and design a nice little interface that functions just fine for both grandma's and sys-admins alike.
hmmmmm...
All I want is a good, fast file manager. One that doesn't have huge ugly icons in a huge ugly toolbar and NO BLOODY SIDEBARS .
Why is it that all File Management work on Linux is geared to making everything as unpleasant to use as Windows? I can see an argument for making things easy for converts from Windows but surely not every single project has to start with someone saying "Okay, let's see how Microsoft does it."
What really gets me is the waste of talent; these guys mostly seem to be pretty good programmers. Although they could do with trying to run their code on a sub 1GHz machine with 64Mb of RAM every once in a while.
TWW
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
Although I'm an enlightenment man myself I am very happy to see KDE and such get farther and better. it's good for the community.
I like Nautilus. It feels good to use, and it's pretty to look at. But there's a few things that bother me.
Nautilus does some pretty spiffy anti-aliased text using libart; it should be even spiffer when GDK is set up to use the Render extension (slated for GTK 1.2.9, I think).
It would also be nice if Nautilus was using Gecko stripped of XUL and made to use GTK, rather than all of Mozilla embedded.
And it would be nice if Helix^W Ximian and Eazel would get together on their libs. Nautilus killed Evolution.
That said, it's looking good, actually installs, runs reasonably fast, and hasn't crashed!
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Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
rr
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
Not only can you cut and paste (you get a cool color shaded selection too), but you can also send them to the trash.
.trash-username. I believe they're all in One Main Trash. Nautilus just brings it over for you to see what you may have deleted without hunting for dirs and such.
And any locally deleted items appear in a virtual directory called
The message on the other side of this sig is false.
The solution I'm using now is Windowmaker with ROX-Filer, and gnome apps as opposed to KDE apps (The new KDE apps all want to kickstart that damned environment that eats resources like Oprah at a buffet).
I liked where the KDE environment was going, but they seem to have lost their way.
Nautilus is getting better day-by-day. There's no comparision between PR3 and the other PRs.
As a file manager is perfectly useable, even better than GMC. As a web browser is still having issues (Mozilla has some real issues still). Slow and still too memory-hog, but you can always turn off some beauty in the name of speed.
Nautilus is nearly kicking ass of all competition - Konqueror, Windows Explorer, Mac Finder. Go Eazel!
Cesar Cardoso can be found at cesar at zyakannazio dot eti dot br (or at least I believe so)
Does anyone but me find that KDE2 is dog slow compared to KDE1. I realise it does a lot more stuff behind the scenes, which is why I use it, but it takes an age (ok a few seconds) to open any windows after I launch an app.
With any luck, it's a configuration issue, but I haven't been able to figure out what's not properly configured. Anybody else been here?
Why would anyone use Gnome? Granted, they done alot of work, and it looks pretty good, but KDE is better for so many reasons. They were the first ones to create a full desktop enviroment. It looks far better than any version of Gnome does, too. Also, they have done so much for the community, creating projects like KOffice, KDevelop, kPPP, and KWM; Gnome just can't compete!
Why would anyone use KDE? Granted, they done alot of work, and it looks pretty good, but Gnome is better for so many reasons. They were the first ones to create a full free desktop enviroment. It looks far better than any version of KDE does, too. Also, they have done so much for the community, creating projects like Gimp, Gnumeric, GnuCash, and Sawfish; KDE just can't compete!
Er, actually, they're both bitchin, and the flamewar is over. I think you (and all the other morons who actually debate this issue) lost. This is why the Ninjas vs. Pancakes debate was created on Slashdot, that way the trolls would have a worthwhile subject to debate that could easily be automatically modded down to -2 via regex.
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This is great for everyone trying to turn linux into the next great dektop. But woudln't all this development be better spent on stronger crypto, the next kernel, or even a replacement for ssh. Oh well, at least its getting purtier and both KDE and Gnome working great.