You cryptorepublicans never give up, even when you prove yourselves wrong. So Bush's investment failed, because he backed the wrong side against us in WWII. He also got busted for Trading With the Enemy, but his political/banking connections kept him from jail.
I'm not going to indulge dissecting any more of your weaseling, except to say your own citation documents how Bush backed Thyssen when it counted, when he backed Hitler when the Nazis were just a disgusting joke, until they were an actual demonic force ready to attack the world. And your insistence on arguing that Bush's Hitler investment failed, so he didn't invest in him makes you look like more (or rather, less) than just a Bush apologist. It shows either sympathy for the Nazis, or just such a committment to your absurd argument for Bush that you'll even play down the Nazis to stick to your nonsensical story.
"Don't particularly like Bush"? He's the worst president ever. And you'd probably claim that your better choice was the Libertarian, or someone else who'd let you shoot someone with impunity, or maybe some other more intelligent fascist. Don't bother telling me, now that you've demonstrated political/economic logic that gets Bush cronies medals, and in fact I do know better.
No evidence, except Bush owned a share of Thyssen's bank, and was the manager of Harriman's bank funding Thyssen's. And the only "evidence" that Bush wasn't guilty is the pronouncement despite that evidence of the NY Observer and the National Review, two of the most popular periodicals serving "Conservatives" and their flexible history. Whose conclusion is based on Bush not making enough money off the deal to be really guilty, and besides, Harriman made him do it! Harriman couldn't have collaborated with Bush on anything, despite being his boss for years - he campaigned against Bush in 1952. Just like Reagan and Bush were from different worlds, despite Reagan being Bush's boss for 12 years, because Reagan campaigned against Bush for the Republican presidential nomination in 1980. Republican denials are the flimsiest, because you fascists are used to your corporate media echo chamber always kicking in right about now with "corroboration".
Iran has its own reasons, its own powergrabs, for wanting nukes. The real question is why Cheney is so hot for them to get them. He's been there every step of the way, from the Shah's nuclear program through Khomeini's resupply in Iran/Contra, to handing them Iraq. And he's given them the kinds of reasons that actually compel them, rather than mere goals, like massing hundreds of thousnads of invading troops next door in Iraq, backing Israel's discrediting Lebanon invasion against their proxy Hezbollah.
But then, you think Iraq's "fate is being hammered out", citing as evidence the homepage of America's invasion force (with its lying name). Your blythe belief that Iran isn't going to get Shia Iraq, and the red herring that the "Baath socialist party" isn't going to get it back, show that you can't tell evidence from propaganda, and Iranian frustration from victory.
Too bad you haven't been getting a check from Cheney's State Department, because those gigs aren't so easy anymore, and the money's drying up after handing it all out in hammerland.
Because then people like you would accuse me of cherrypicking my sources. This way you can look at any of the sources from my simple google search, and judge for yourself.
The "truth of the matter", as posted in the "Straight Dope" story to which you linked, is
The central charge against Prescott Bush has a basis in fact. In 1942, under the Trading With the Enemy Act, the U.S. government seized several companies in which he had an interest. Prescott at the time was an investment banker with Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), which had funneled U.S. capital into Germany during the 1920s and '30s. Among the seized companies was the Union Banking Corporation (UBC) of New York, which was controlled by German industrialist Fritz Thyssen. Thyssen had been an early financier of the Nazi party--in fact, in 1941 he published a book entitled I Paid Hitler. Ergo, Prescott helped finance the Nazis. [...] So, did Bush and his firm finance the Nazis and enable Germany to rearm? Indirectly, yes. But they had a lot of company.
So even your own citation says "YES". "Indirectly", by funding Thyssen, Hitler's funder. And then, even after their Thyssen go-between got burned by the monster he created, Bush continued to fund Hitler, busted under the Trading With the Enemy Act while we were at war with his pet project.
Thanks for pointing out one of the many reliable verifiers of the truth that the Bush family funded Hitler, and profited by it. George Bush Jr went to college on money made off bullets shot at our troops, which really sets the stage for his entire life.
And thanks for demonstrating graphically just how strong is the denial of the Bushworshipper. You make some kind of dismissal of using google to find out the truth for yourself, then deny the truth when you find it. You are one of those amazing people who will generate your own propaganda to support your own viewpoint, then try to push it on others like me who know better.
No, I'm quite coherent. Quoting the Reagan PR chief who cited the Nazi propaganda model of repeating anything enough until it's true, and Bush describing his job doing exactly that, in discarding your Republican apologies for fabricating "official truth" out of repeated lies.
Your denial keeps you from seeing that. But you're leaking around the edges, projecting your nightmares of getting locked up for your insanity. Or maybe you're really just Republican junkie Rush Limbaugh, whistling in the dark for your favorite blast of "truth".
And you ask us to trust you and your Republican House committee's lies about the Greenhouse. I wish there were some way to leave you and your demented heroes behind as we protect ourselves from the pollution you pump, but you'll just have to be confused by your good luck, too.
The House committee picked their favorite experts to back up their policy of denying the Greenhouse and claimed they were honest.
The pollution the committee is responsible for protecting makes "extremely expensive" and "politically inspired" look like a kids game. No matter how many times I hear you deniers lie about it, that doesn't make it true, even though ">that's your standard for truth.
You don't believe that the (Republican) House Energy and Commerce Committee produced an "independent" study. These are the people attacking science everywhere that serves their corporate political agenda. And you are helping them.
Which part of "It's always been a bad idea to proliferate nukes in the Mideast" dont YOU understand?
Before Hitler rose to power in Germany, Bush Sr's father Prescott Bush funded Hitler to ensure his rise. And continued to fund Hitler even as those funds paid for bullets fired at American troops, until stopped for violating the "Trading With the Enemy" laws. Once the bullets stopped, Prescott Bush's boss Averill Harriman negotiated the deal for the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, in return for which the CIA overthrew the democratically elected successor to the Shah, so the Shah would keep the AIOC deal. The Shah was such a "good customer" of the US that "we" set him up with a nuclear program under Richard Nixon. Whose staff included Dick Cheney, a frequent Director of corporations funded and directed by Harriman and Bush, even through the 1980s. Who has done everything he could to give Iran "reasons" to get nukes, while supplying them with Iran/Contra military parts and recently handing them Iraq.
So don't tell ME about crazy people with nukes. I've got the whole barrel of monkeys on my radar. And, through my taxes and against my votes, many of them on my payroll.
I'm fascinated by France's cyclic role developing Iran into such a major pain. They hid the Ayatollah Khomeini for decades, too. The Shah was an asshole, helped into keeping the throne by Teddy Roosevelt's son Kermit Roosevelt, who also had some heavy work in Central America for the CIA.
The lesson that should be painfully obvious to anyone looking is that the CIA, America's secret police, controls the profitable parts of the US government for dynasties of American industrialists. I just hope it's not too late to stop them from literally selling off the country to foreigners.
It's always been a bad idea to proliferate nukes in the Mideast, a part of the world controlled by politicians defined more by death's rewards than life's opportunities. Reading more of the history of Iran's nukes helps explain why the French are so deeply involved, and how the roles of the US and Russia are so "complicated".
The entire bearing is that China is determined to create a domestic space industry, as demonstrated by their actual accomplishments, which have lived up to their stated plans. While the Bush has squandered the US lead in space by saying some cheap words, and letting his 6 years feature the worst slowdown yet of an already tragically moribund industry.
When China and Russia say they'll bring back Mars samples, which America hasn't done, there's reason to believe it. When Bush says we'll put Americans on Mars, there's reason to believe he's lying.
Just because you say well-based criticism of Bush is "random" doesn't make you anything but a Bush apologist. Who's letting China and Russia capitalize on our contributions to the "space race" without our keeping up, by defending Bush's abdication of leadership in our pioneering field.
No, you're a registered "let me shoot someone with impunity" guy, too uncompromising with defeat to be a mere Republican. I'm registered as "none of the above", though I vote in every election.
You party animals are really silly. Especially fake "non-Republicans" like you who see criminal Republicans get exposed, and think you need to "balance" it with disproportionate attacks on Democrats. I've got no hypocrisy, and no requirement to give "equal time" dragging every political criminal into a criticism of simply the person the story is about. You're the one with the conflict, shilling for Republicans with their talking points about Democrats when Republicans are the ones sucking all the popularity out of your own party.
Don't think you have anything to teach me about politics when you show your poor understanding of it in public.
As if anyone said Democrats were clean as a whistle? Or anything about Democrats at all?
If I shout to you that youre neighbor is robbing your house, do you tell me that your other neighbor is cheating on his wife?
Your "But Democrats..." is the lamest Republican denial excuse of them all, except for "the president didn't realize he was a crook". Which you also really like, too.
I said we need to attract capitalists also, rather than ESR's version of changing Linux "hippies" to capitalists by "compromising" and buying licenses despite their antipathy. I say they're not going to change (though you call them hippies, not me), ESR says they must.
The community must change through growth in new directions and some attrition. That's consistent with much of ESR's "compromise" goal requirements. But it doesn't necessarily mean the existing members must change.
Maybe next time you'll appreciate the important differences between what we each said before going on about how we're saying exactly the same thing.
I think that if the abusive MS monopoly had been split vertically into OS, app, content, online and developer companies in 2000, combined shareholders in the split entity would be looking at much more total net worth. And many of those problems would have been solved under force of competition. And MS would have put out better SW on a better schedule, while not keeping crushed competitors from delivering their own.
Instead Gates got to keep his monopoly to everyone's loss except his own, until he got tired of it and left.
ESR is starting to lose his grip entirely. Linux doesn't need its core geek constituency (including ESR) to change. It needs to attract new geeks who aren't quite as exclusively geeky. Whose hobby is hooking Linux to the rest of the world, including iPods. Who want to exploit the work of the geekiest to bring Linux's builtin power to the even less geeky.
This has always been true of Linux, even for the benefit of true geeks. We need people who will at least write documentation, or even just edit documentation to be read by mere mortals. We need capitalists who will produce interfaces, apps and packages for the lure of money. We need people who will make "developers' kits" bridging the raw power and flexibility of the open OS to the more limited imaginations and attention spans of the masses.
ESR would spend his time more productively by writing some documentation or some example code than by loudly eating crow in public.
Republican TrollMods can't stand it when one of their own is exposed. You think it's just a troll, maybe you should email or call the clerk. And stop pretending that Hank Asher isn't part of the Republican Iran/Contra club who put our government into your gang's control.
If you call (863)534-5888, or email them, the Polk County (Lakeland, FL) Supervisor of Elections clerk will tell you that Danny Ferrer, of XXXX Moore Rd in Lakeland, has been a registered Republican since 1994, right before the Republicans took over Congress. I wonder if Danny works with Hank Asher the other Republican Florida software bigshot?
BTW, please don't call and/or hassle the clerk. She's very nice, the info is public, but why slashdot her right before she takes the weekend off?
Yeah, and if the Russian/Chinese mission were manned, you'd say they weren't comparable because the US is sending Americans to Mars, and the ex-soviets aren't.
Something more than mere political propaganda from the Chinese space program?
RFTA: "In 2003, China became only the third country -- after the United States and Soviet Union -- to launch a man into space aboard its own rocket. In October 2005, it sent two men into orbit, and another manned orbit is slated for 2007." [...] "China expects to launch its first lunar probe next year, state media has said. It will spend a year orbiting the moon to collect images and data on the moon's surface and environment."
Strictly speaking, they misunderstood the meaning the submitter expected, noticed they misunderstood it, and guessed what the meaning could correctly be from the context. We're talking about misunderstanding the meaning of the submitter, not the words they posted, which words everyone but the submitter seems to understand.
Amazingly enough, there's no law, physical or legal, which requires people to read your mind to understand what you mean. You're free to make mistakes, though listening to yourself as if you were the person you're communicating with helps keep you in line.
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You cryptorepublicans never give up, even when you prove yourselves wrong. So Bush's investment failed, because he backed the wrong side against us in WWII. He also got busted for Trading With the Enemy, but his political/banking connections kept him from jail.
I'm not going to indulge dissecting any more of your weaseling, except to say your own citation documents how Bush backed Thyssen when it counted, when he backed Hitler when the Nazis were just a disgusting joke, until they were an actual demonic force ready to attack the world. And your insistence on arguing that Bush's Hitler investment failed, so he didn't invest in him makes you look like more (or rather, less) than just a Bush apologist. It shows either sympathy for the Nazis, or just such a committment to your absurd argument for Bush that you'll even play down the Nazis to stick to your nonsensical story.
"Don't particularly like Bush"? He's the worst president ever. And you'd probably claim that your better choice was the Libertarian, or someone else who'd let you shoot someone with impunity, or maybe some other more intelligent fascist. Don't bother telling me, now that you've demonstrated political/economic logic that gets Bush cronies medals, and in fact I do know better.
No evidence, except Bush owned a share of Thyssen's bank, and was the manager of Harriman's bank funding Thyssen's. And the only "evidence" that Bush wasn't guilty is the pronouncement despite that evidence of the NY Observer and the National Review, two of the most popular periodicals serving "Conservatives" and their flexible history. Whose conclusion is based on Bush not making enough money off the deal to be really guilty, and besides, Harriman made him do it! Harriman couldn't have collaborated with Bush on anything, despite being his boss for years - he campaigned against Bush in 1952. Just like Reagan and Bush were from different worlds, despite Reagan being Bush's boss for 12 years, because Reagan campaigned against Bush for the Republican presidential nomination in 1980. Republican denials are the flimsiest, because you fascists are used to your corporate media echo chamber always kicking in right about now with "corroboration".
Iran has its own reasons, its own powergrabs, for wanting nukes. The real question is why Cheney is so hot for them to get them. He's been there every step of the way, from the Shah's nuclear program through Khomeini's resupply in Iran/Contra, to handing them Iraq. And he's given them the kinds of reasons that actually compel them, rather than mere goals, like massing hundreds of thousnads of invading troops next door in Iraq, backing Israel's discrediting Lebanon invasion against their proxy Hezbollah.
But then, you think Iraq's "fate is being hammered out", citing as evidence the homepage of America's invasion force (with its lying name). Your blythe belief that Iran isn't going to get Shia Iraq, and the red herring that the "Baath socialist party" isn't going to get it back, show that you can't tell evidence from propaganda, and Iranian frustration from victory.
Too bad you haven't been getting a check from Cheney's State Department, because those gigs aren't so easy anymore, and the money's drying up after handing it all out in hammerland.
The "truth of the matter", as posted in the "Straight Dope" story to which you linked, is
So even your own citation says "YES". "Indirectly", by funding Thyssen, Hitler's funder. And then, even after their Thyssen go-between got burned by the monster he created, Bush continued to fund Hitler, busted under the Trading With the Enemy Act while we were at war with his pet project.
Thanks for pointing out one of the many reliable verifiers of the truth that the Bush family funded Hitler, and profited by it. George Bush Jr went to college on money made off bullets shot at our troops, which really sets the stage for his entire life.
And thanks for demonstrating graphically just how strong is the denial of the Bushworshipper. You make some kind of dismissal of using google to find out the truth for yourself, then deny the truth when you find it. You are one of those amazing people who will generate your own propaganda to support your own viewpoint, then try to push it on others like me who know better.
No, I'm quite coherent. Quoting the Reagan PR chief who cited the Nazi propaganda model of repeating anything enough until it's true, and Bush describing his job doing exactly that, in discarding your Republican apologies for fabricating "official truth" out of repeated lies.
Your denial keeps you from seeing that. But you're leaking around the edges, projecting your nightmares of getting locked up for your insanity. Or maybe you're really just Republican junkie Rush Limbaugh, whistling in the dark for your favorite blast of "truth".
And you ask us to trust you and your Republican House committee's lies about the Greenhouse. I wish there were some way to leave you and your demented heroes behind as we protect ourselves from the pollution you pump, but you'll just have to be confused by your good luck, too.
The House committee picked their favorite experts to back up their policy of denying the Greenhouse and claimed they were honest.
The pollution the committee is responsible for protecting makes "extremely expensive" and "politically inspired" look like a kids game. No matter how many times I hear you deniers lie about it, that doesn't make it true, even though ">that's your standard for truth.
The Earth has an opinion.
You don't believe that the (Republican) House Energy and Commerce Committee produced an "independent" study. These are the people attacking science everywhere that serves their corporate political agenda. And you are helping them.
Which part of "It's always been a bad idea to proliferate nukes in the Mideast" dont YOU understand?
Before Hitler rose to power in Germany, Bush Sr's father Prescott Bush funded Hitler to ensure his rise. And continued to fund Hitler even as those funds paid for bullets fired at American troops, until stopped for violating the "Trading With the Enemy" laws. Once the bullets stopped, Prescott Bush's boss Averill Harriman negotiated the deal for the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, in return for which the CIA overthrew the democratically elected successor to the Shah, so the Shah would keep the AIOC deal. The Shah was such a "good customer" of the US that "we" set him up with a nuclear program under Richard Nixon. Whose staff included Dick Cheney, a frequent Director of corporations funded and directed by Harriman and Bush, even through the 1980s. Who has done everything he could to give Iran "reasons" to get nukes, while supplying them with Iran/Contra military parts and recently handing them Iraq.
So don't tell ME about crazy people with nukes. I've got the whole barrel of monkeys on my radar. And, through my taxes and against my votes, many of them on my payroll.
I'm fascinated by France's cyclic role developing Iran into such a major pain. They hid the Ayatollah Khomeini for decades, too. The Shah was an asshole, helped into keeping the throne by Teddy Roosevelt's son Kermit Roosevelt, who also had some heavy work in Central America for the CIA.
The lesson that should be painfully obvious to anyone looking is that the CIA, America's secret police, controls the profitable parts of the US government for dynasties of American industrialists. I just hope it's not too late to stop them from literally selling off the country to foreigners.
Iran started its nuclear program back when the Shah was still a US puppet. Of course, I don't expect to hear anything about that from the Bushes, who put the Iran in "Iran/Contra".
It's always been a bad idea to proliferate nukes in the Mideast, a part of the world controlled by politicians defined more by death's rewards than life's opportunities. Reading more of the history of Iran's nukes helps explain why the French are so deeply involved, and how the roles of the US and Russia are so "complicated".
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FoxNews TrollMods: running scared.
Anyone who lives their life defined by what technology can do, rather than who they are and how they treat other people, is really just a machine.
You have stumbled on FoxNews' plans for November 2008. Bush Forever!
The entire bearing is that China is determined to create a domestic space industry, as demonstrated by their actual accomplishments, which have lived up to their stated plans. While the Bush has squandered the US lead in space by saying some cheap words, and letting his 6 years feature the worst slowdown yet of an already tragically moribund industry.
When China and Russia say they'll bring back Mars samples, which America hasn't done, there's reason to believe it. When Bush says we'll put Americans on Mars, there's reason to believe he's lying.
Just because you say well-based criticism of Bush is "random" doesn't make you anything but a Bush apologist. Who's letting China and Russia capitalize on our contributions to the "space race" without our keeping up, by defending Bush's abdication of leadership in our pioneering field.
No, you're a registered "let me shoot someone with impunity" guy, too uncompromising with defeat to be a mere Republican. I'm registered as "none of the above", though I vote in every election.
You party animals are really silly. Especially fake "non-Republicans" like you who see criminal Republicans get exposed, and think you need to "balance" it with disproportionate attacks on Democrats. I've got no hypocrisy, and no requirement to give "equal time" dragging every political criminal into a criticism of simply the person the story is about. You're the one with the conflict, shilling for Republicans with their talking points about Democrats when Republicans are the ones sucking all the popularity out of your own party.
Don't think you have anything to teach me about politics when you show your poor understanding of it in public.
As if anyone said Democrats were clean as a whistle? Or anything about Democrats at all?
If I shout to you that youre neighbor is robbing your house, do you tell me that your other neighbor is cheating on his wife?
Your "But Democrats..." is the lamest Republican denial excuse of them all, except for "the president didn't realize he was a crook". Which you also really like, too.
I said we need to attract capitalists also, rather than ESR's version of changing Linux "hippies" to capitalists by "compromising" and buying licenses despite their antipathy. I say they're not going to change (though you call them hippies, not me), ESR says they must.
The community must change through growth in new directions and some attrition. That's consistent with much of ESR's "compromise" goal requirements. But it doesn't necessarily mean the existing members must change.
Maybe next time you'll appreciate the important differences between what we each said before going on about how we're saying exactly the same thing.
I think that if the abusive MS monopoly had been split vertically into OS, app, content, online and developer companies in 2000, combined shareholders in the split entity would be looking at much more total net worth. And many of those problems would have been solved under force of competition. And MS would have put out better SW on a better schedule, while not keeping crushed competitors from delivering their own.
Instead Gates got to keep his monopoly to everyone's loss except his own, until he got tired of it and left.
ESR is starting to lose his grip entirely. Linux doesn't need its core geek constituency (including ESR) to change. It needs to attract new geeks who aren't quite as exclusively geeky. Whose hobby is hooking Linux to the rest of the world, including iPods. Who want to exploit the work of the geekiest to bring Linux's builtin power to the even less geeky.
This has always been true of Linux, even for the benefit of true geeks. We need people who will at least write documentation, or even just edit documentation to be read by mere mortals. We need capitalists who will produce interfaces, apps and packages for the lure of money. We need people who will make "developers' kits" bridging the raw power and flexibility of the open OS to the more limited imaginations and attention spans of the masses.
ESR would spend his time more productively by writing some documentation or some example code than by loudly eating crow in public.
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Republican TrollMods can't stand it when one of their own is exposed. You think it's just a troll, maybe you should email or call the clerk. And stop pretending that Hank Asher isn't part of the Republican Iran/Contra club who put our government into your gang's control.
And I told them (and you) how to physically store the discs in books, while still playing them. What's your problem, you're not really a Nerd?
If you call (863)534-5888, or email them, the Polk County (Lakeland, FL) Supervisor of Elections clerk will tell you that Danny Ferrer, of XXXX Moore Rd in Lakeland, has been a registered Republican since 1994, right before the Republicans took over Congress. I wonder if Danny works with Hank Asher the other Republican Florida software bigshot?
BTW, please don't call and/or hassle the clerk. She's very nice, the info is public, but why slashdot her right before she takes the weekend off?
Yeah, and if the Russian/Chinese mission were manned, you'd say they weren't comparable because the US is sending Americans to Mars, and the ex-soviets aren't.
Something more than mere political propaganda from the Chinese space program?
RFTA:
"In 2003, China became only the third country -- after the United States and Soviet Union -- to launch a man into space aboard its own rocket. In October 2005, it sent two men into orbit, and another manned orbit is slated for 2007."
[...]
"China expects to launch its first lunar probe next year, state media has said. It will spend a year orbiting the moon to collect images and data on the moon's surface and environment."
Strictly speaking, they misunderstood the meaning the submitter expected, noticed they misunderstood it, and guessed what the meaning could correctly be from the context. We're talking about misunderstanding the meaning of the submitter, not the words they posted, which words everyone but the submitter seems to understand.
How about when most people misunderstand them, like the person who understood it to mean "Do you have enough open source left?"
Amazingly enough, there's no law, physical or legal, which requires people to read your mind to understand what you mean. You're free to make mistakes, though listening to yourself as if you were the person you're communicating with helps keep you in line.