First they said (sarcastically) "Yeah, because we all know that in the real world there are no trade-offs like this."
Then they said "Taking the position that these tradeoffs shouldn't exist is all well and good, but expecting people to take you seriously is something else."
They're not just recognizing the truth of something bad. They're dismissing criticism of it. They're saying we should accept it.
And you are backing them up with some of the stupidest logic I've seen... today. Another Anonymous idiot Coward stumbles into the boneyard.
Actually, getting you to google for the info, given the date and people's names within the context of "Kent State" is a better way for you to learn your own lesson from those clear events than if they'd just linked to something that represents the lesson they took from it themselves.
I learned as much Roman history as I could stand, and others besides, when I was in (American) school. I've learned even more since. Because the "real world" is largely the result of all those histories. Or the common patterns. Or the lessons learned from history by those in power, or the lessons they didn't learn. In other words, history is the biggest influence on the present, followed only by the future - and that's all there is. American history is important because America is important. The Kent State massacre is even more relevant today than it's been in 30 years, as America is bogged down in a distant Asian guerrilla war covered in fake ideology and rooted in business. With many students in the forefront of the movement against it, and most students' lives ultimately on the line in fighting age. And as goes America, now the only superpower, so go most of the rest of the governments of the world, sooner or later, more or less. Especially when successfully confronting popular resistance.
To connect to the specific topic of this story, Facebook is as important a public place where students communicate today as the campus green was during Vietnam. That's one reason why Kent State's actions are better understood when informed of how they've treated their students in the past. Especially since their defining moment was murdering 4 students publicly demonstrating against the war.
If you learn history better than the people running America today, you'll have an advantage. In other words, SELECT history.lesson FROM history, people WHERE
(history.people LIKE $me)
AND
(history.place LIKE $campus)
If you never heard of the 4 students killed by the National Guard while demonstrating against the Vietnam War at Kent State, you should welcome the chance to learn. Because no matter how serious is this Facebook conflict that you're spending time reading and posting about, those killings are much more serious and important.
Now that you heard about them, you shouldn't forget them. That's the point of the post.
I really wish that my local host's storage were used only as scratch space for encrypting all my data for network storage, and a local cache. Why should I lug "my" PC around when there are PCs everywhere? Maybe if my PC were really better than the others, but for most of my data access, any Web terminal will do. Combine that with a biometric/password protected mobile "phone" containing my keyring and bookmarks, and I'm literally "good to go".
eBay didn't invent auctions. Sniping isn't new. Yet there doesn't seem to be a sniping crisis in the rest of the world's auction industry. Instead of the reporter just asking some economists with a 4 year old paper about the Korean mathematics that the story is about, and getting general economics replies, how about asking an auctioneer how to run auctions so sniping doesn't game the system? What qualifies these reporters to publish, other than a running press and a phonebook? Who takes them seriously?
Eisenhower saw how German tanks overran Europe, as he was in charge of America's work helping roll them back in defeat. The Interstate Highway system was designed to pave roads for American tanks to reach every part of the country. It served as a vast government subsidy for car makers to compete with the railroads that settled the continent.
My favorite Interstate website is Interstate-Guide, with pictures, history, plans and lots of other transit geek info. As long as the people have paid for this vast system, we should get the most out of it.
What happens when we're all using multimode 3G/WiMAX phones? Swedes in Gotene got their brains fried by their recent WiMAX deployment. I'd call that "exciting the brain": exciting like a train wreck.
It's got an auth protocol: a useless one that sends plaintext passwords. It's not even the minimal "identify" implementation that wouldn't take a password. It tells users that it takes a password, implying security, then passes the password insecurely across the network among various independent parties.
In another post in this subthread where you're also getting this wrong, you admit NickServ (or its imitator) is receiving the passwords in plaintext. You can't then claim that NickServ doesn't have access to the clear passwords. It does.
And you can't claim that FreeNode's dependence on insecure auth isn't a flaw in FreeNode. It is.
This debacle has affected thousands of people, by educating them how insecure is FreeNode. As I made clear in my first post. Stop posting your illogic all over this thread. It's annoying to have to follow you around with a shovel.
Storing passwords as hashes is useless when the auth protocol sends them across the network in plaintext. FreeNode's auth protocol that includes NickServ is part of FreeNode, therefore a flaw in FreeNode.
It's a good thing the firetrap finally collapsed publicly, because now so many people know that IDs are not trustworthy.
You are a tech fanboy, who can't see the ugly facts because you love IRC so much. You've got a lot to learn. Try going outside to play some more.
New to security? I studied _Applied Cryptography_ over a decade ago. I spent the early 1980s working with timeshare access controls, on ARPANet. I've worked for more banks than you've visited ATMs. You've gone ahead and salted "we" with your own lack of experience, not mine.
As someone else in this subthread noted, Challenge/Response offers just one way to include a timestamp with a password hash.
Try learning about "one-time passwords" before you show how little you know about either security or talking to people.
You choose to deny the quote of a named Chinese government source for executing pirates, and the thousands of citations of Chinese torture, in favor of a fanboy who demonstrated their tunnelvision.
"Google search" is somehow not credible when it returns thousands of independent documents for a simple, clear, 2-word search of the exact topic.
Every single sentence you just posted has at least one error in it. And I'm not responsible for your inability to read. Or your inability to accept the facts when presented to you.
If you're that unable to use cited quotes directly supporting such an important point, I really don't care what you think.
On the upside, maybe China will improve worker and environmental conditions, at least in prisons, so as not to lower the quality of the organs they're reselling.
That country is sick. And the world that props it up with "economic expansion" hoping to feed off its bottomless greed is sick, too.
I linked to a Chinese official stating how they torture pirates, quoted on CNet news, as I quoted.
For torture, I just linked to a Google search for (china torture) that returns thousands of documents, because, as I said, it's so well documented.
Your asinine comment proves that you are a fucking asshole bent on denying China's execution of software pirates and torture, even when everything but fire a couple of neurons at the evidence before you is done for you. You stupid shit.
True enough. Though I like the idea of replacing a server registry of "used" challenges not to reuse with random challenges selected from a very large keyspace. No security system is perfect, and using "GUID" style random challenges has a lot better cost:benefit than the registry, which could be cracked, among other vulnerabilities.
And you don't need ssh itself, just a secure transmission protocol. Any (working) SSL, or others.
But the most important part is that the security be built in, from the beginning, instead of relying on users to do anything extra. If faced with a problem that prohibits necessary access in the secure mode, then a procedure for getting insecure access - with insecurity clearly advertised - might be necessary. But "secure" should be the default, even when "insecure" is an option.
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First they said (sarcastically) "Yeah, because we all know that in the real world there are no trade-offs like this."
Then they said "Taking the position that these tradeoffs shouldn't exist is all well and good, but expecting people to take you seriously is something else."
They're not just recognizing the truth of something bad. They're dismissing criticism of it. They're saying we should accept it.
And you are backing them up with some of the stupidest logic I've seen... today. Another Anonymous idiot Coward stumbles into the boneyard.
Actually, getting you to google for the info, given the date and people's names within the context of "Kent State" is a better way for you to learn your own lesson from those clear events than if they'd just linked to something that represents the lesson they took from it themselves.
I learned as much Roman history as I could stand, and others besides, when I was in (American) school. I've learned even more since. Because the "real world" is largely the result of all those histories. Or the common patterns. Or the lessons learned from history by those in power, or the lessons they didn't learn. In other words, history is the biggest influence on the present, followed only by the future - and that's all there is. American history is important because America is important. The Kent State massacre is even more relevant today than it's been in 30 years, as America is bogged down in a distant Asian guerrilla war covered in fake ideology and rooted in business. With many students in the forefront of the movement against it, and most students' lives ultimately on the line in fighting age. And as goes America, now the only superpower, so go most of the rest of the governments of the world, sooner or later, more or less. Especially when successfully confronting popular resistance.
To connect to the specific topic of this story, Facebook is as important a public place where students communicate today as the campus green was during Vietnam. That's one reason why Kent State's actions are better understood when informed of how they've treated their students in the past. Especially since their defining moment was murdering 4 students publicly demonstrating against the war.
If you learn history better than the people running America today, you'll have an advantage. In other words,
SELECT history.lesson
FROM history, people
WHERE
(history.people LIKE $me)
AND
(history.place LIKE $campus)
So you're happy about poor babies getting worse medical care than rich babies?
So you're happy about poor people giving up their free speech while rich people don't.
If you never heard of the 4 students killed by the National Guard while demonstrating against the Vietnam War at Kent State, you should welcome the chance to learn. Because no matter how serious is this Facebook conflict that you're spending time reading and posting about, those killings are much more serious and important.
Now that you heard about them, you shouldn't forget them. That's the point of the post.
Isn't Kent State the college where they executed Vietnam War protesters in the 1970s?
I guess the only lesson the college learned from that hideous exercise was that published pictures of their students can get the college into trouble.
I really wish that my local host's storage were used only as scratch space for encrypting all my data for network storage, and a local cache. Why should I lug "my" PC around when there are PCs everywhere? Maybe if my PC were really better than the others, but for most of my data access, any Web terminal will do. Combine that with a biometric/password protected mobile "phone" containing my keyring and bookmarks, and I'm literally "good to go".
eBay didn't invent auctions. Sniping isn't new. Yet there doesn't seem to be a sniping crisis in the rest of the world's auction industry. Instead of the reporter just asking some economists with a 4 year old paper about the Korean mathematics that the story is about, and getting general economics replies, how about asking an auctioneer how to run auctions so sniping doesn't game the system? What qualifies these reporters to publish, other than a running press and a phonebook? Who takes them seriously?
What other magazines join _Business 2.0_ in the "Top 10 Magazines That Don't Matter"?
We should have skipped right to biz 3.0, just like IP skipped from IPv4 to IPv6 when v5 was worse than useless.
Eisenhower saw how German tanks overran Europe, as he was in charge of America's work helping roll them back in defeat. The Interstate Highway system was designed to pave roads for American tanks to reach every part of the country. It served as a vast government subsidy for car makers to compete with the railroads that settled the continent.
My favorite Interstate website is Interstate-Guide, with pictures, history, plans and lots of other transit geek info. As long as the people have paid for this vast system, we should get the most out of it.
How about if the US government spent some of the $1 TRILLION we're going to spend on the Iraq War on giving war veterans a home?
"an independent internet marketer
[...]
But she lives in fear that at any point, circumstances could throw her back into the urban wilderness."
Like if she gets busted for spamming?
Homeless spammers. Blade Runner arrives ahead of schedule.
What happens when we're all using multimode 3G/WiMAX phones? Swedes in Gotene got their brains fried by their recent WiMAX deployment. I'd call that "exciting the brain": exciting like a train wreck.
It's got an auth protocol: a useless one that sends plaintext passwords. It's not even the minimal "identify" implementation that wouldn't take a password. It tells users that it takes a password, implying security, then passes the password insecurely across the network among various independent parties.
In another post in this subthread where you're also getting this wrong, you admit NickServ (or its imitator) is receiving the passwords in plaintext. You can't then claim that NickServ doesn't have access to the clear passwords. It does.
And you can't claim that FreeNode's dependence on insecure auth isn't a flaw in FreeNode. It is.
This debacle has affected thousands of people, by educating them how insecure is FreeNode. As I made clear in my first post. Stop posting your illogic all over this thread. It's annoying to have to follow you around with a shovel.
Decrypt this: bullshit.
Defensive much?
Storing passwords as hashes is useless when the auth protocol sends them across the network in plaintext. FreeNode's auth protocol that includes NickServ is part of FreeNode, therefore a flaw in FreeNode.
It's a good thing the firetrap finally collapsed publicly, because now so many people know that IDs are not trustworthy.
You are a tech fanboy, who can't see the ugly facts because you love IRC so much. You've got a lot to learn. Try going outside to play some more.
New to security? I studied _Applied Cryptography_ over a decade ago. I spent the early 1980s working with timeshare access controls, on ARPANet. I've worked for more banks than you've visited ATMs. You've gone ahead and salted "we" with your own lack of experience, not mine.
As someone else in this subthread noted, Challenge/Response offers just one way to include a timestamp with a password hash.
Try learning about "one-time passwords" before you show how little you know about either security or talking to people.
You choose to deny the quote of a named Chinese government source for executing pirates, and the thousands of citations of Chinese torture, in favor of a fanboy who demonstrated their tunnelvision.
"Google search" is somehow not credible when it returns thousands of independent documents for a simple, clear, 2-word search of the exact topic.
You're an Anonymous fool Coward.
Every single sentence you just posted has at least one error in it. And I'm not responsible for your inability to read. Or your inability to accept the facts when presented to you.
If you're that unable to use cited quotes directly supporting such an important point, I really don't care what you think.
On the upside, maybe China will improve worker and environmental conditions, at least in prisons, so as not to lower the quality of the organs they're reselling.
That country is sick. And the world that props it up with "economic expansion" hoping to feed off its bottomless greed is sick, too.
Yes.
I linked to a Chinese official stating how they torture pirates, quoted on CNet news, as I quoted.
For torture, I just linked to a Google search for (china torture) that returns thousands of documents, because, as I said, it's so well documented.
Your asinine comment proves that you are a fucking asshole bent on denying China's execution of software pirates and torture, even when everything but fire a couple of neurons at the evidence before you is done for you. You stupid shit.
True enough. Though I like the idea of replacing a server registry of "used" challenges not to reuse with random challenges selected from a very large keyspace. No security system is perfect, and using "GUID" style random challenges has a lot better cost:benefit than the registry, which could be cracked, among other vulnerabilities.
And you don't need ssh itself, just a secure transmission protocol. Any (working) SSL, or others.
But the most important part is that the security be built in, from the beginning, instead of relying on users to do anything extra. If faced with a problem that prohibits necessary access in the secure mode, then a procedure for getting insecure access - with insecurity clearly advertised - might be necessary. But "secure" should be the default, even when "insecure" is an option.
Challenge-response is one kind of protocol using "one-time hashes". So I'm agreeing with you, while referring to the more general case.
China executes SW pirates.
Fear, uncertainty and doubt of China's mafia government is healthy, because it's scary, and they have a great deal of power over us.