Then why is he using Windows NT as his main development system?
Because it's the only platform right now that offers good IDEs, compilers, OpenGL support, memory protection, good multi-tasking, good SMP, and decent driver support.
He is very hopeful for MacOSX, because of it's NeXTStep heritage(despite a single mouse button), and with it's future support for OpenGL and all the standard OS features such as protected memory, pre-emptive multi-tasking, hardware GL acceleration, etc.
Linux is a future candidate, as soon as the UI and desktop environs get polished a little and hardware manufacturers support it.
He himself cares little for the *politics*, just for the results. He likes Open Source; he can work without it.
I was wondering if this thread about M6 being worth it, if it could be moderated down a point so that my post on bugs and issues on M6 could float a little higher?
I attached this comment to a level 5 response to a level 5 post to catch someone's eye. One point down would work...
I'm sorta curious to get more feedback on M6 issues and problems...
The jerkiness, I have found, seems to be tied to a bug(?) in which M6 'expands' to suck up all the free CPU cycles. Anyone know why it does that?
Likewise, any way in Windows to click on a link and get a new window? The menubar->file->close option doesn't seem to work, meaning I don't think one can close a window without killing all of them.
I guess I'm at fault for misinterpreting. Apologies!
It really is up to the individual what desktop UI/environment is usable and what is not, so the original poster's disagreement does not mean anything to John's view that Gnome in Red Hat 6.0 is... a valid alternative to commercial desktop environments.
I'm sure Gnome users think it's a valid desktop environment as well =)
You know, if Carmack really did ask Nvidia for the driver source for testing/programming/Open Source use, do ya think Nvidia may actually Open Source it?
I mean requests from thousands of users is much different than a request from The Man(tm) who helps to sell your cards with his games, right?
Disagree about what? That he likes Gnome and feels its almost at the useable level for him?
Who are you to judge which GUI/environment is best suited for The Man(tm)?
I mean, you might as well take offense at the fact that he installs Linux every year, feels it is not good enough, and continues using WinNT/NeXTStep whatever. Or that he seriously disses VI and emacs, for CodeWarrior(despite bugs), etc.
If one really wanted to delve deeply, one could think his next development platform might be MacOSX Server/Client; NeXTStep environment, *honest* OpenGL support from the vendor, classic refined UI, CodeWarrior(native!), and G4 with Altivec coming soon.
But that is a guess, and not grounded in any fact =)
Someone mentioned that it would freeze, and I'm not sure if anyone knows just how good an *insulator* ice is...
Eventually, if you cool your system below 0C, the entire water bath would become ice...
Some don't see any problem, and I may just be paranoid...
But some components *can* approach or exceed 100C, especially if overclocked... Like CPUs or video card chipsets, I think. Now the problem would be that any ice in contact with warm components will melt, so there are pockets of water within this ice cube... But it's guaranteed that the water will remain at 0C as long as it is in contact with more ice...
However, there is something called a triple point, at which ice, water, and vapor can exist all at once.
If the ice forms a complete seal around the system, it may be possible for there to be ice that goes to water which goes to vapor... And you'd have an extremely bad case of melt-vaporize-condese-freeze, with the accompanying expansion/contraction problems, and I imagine there could be explosive cracking within the ice, much as an ice cube does when dropped into a warm soda...
With fragile components in slots/sockets, this might be very bad =)
Wanted to say a few good things, test M6 on Slashdot, give it a few rounds...
Some things cause it to crash immediately; opening preferences under edit, and hitting okay(even if you don't do *anything*), for example.
Haven't otherwise caused it to crash.
Was able to replace the throbber and some other minor graphics to suit my taste.
Colors suck, but otherwise okay.
Once in a while I lose focus from the window; don't know what is happening...
The executeable is very small, but has a 17mb footprint under NT task manager... Perhaps optimization will shrink this in the future?
Hasn't crashed yet, through normal use, and loading is very fast, if not quite smooth or polished. Anyone notice this?
Under N4.5 or 4.6, it may take a tad longer to load up a page, but the redraw isn't as jerky, and scrolling was definitely smoother. Perhaps an 'animation' issue, like page flipping or double buffering?
Still, much better than m3 and m4. It *seems* stable enough to be my main browser, except I can't right click and open new windows.
Now I have to navigate Slashdot threads one at a time.
Well, if you don't want to overclock, and you want total silence, you really do need a totally passive cooling system, right?
I actually don't know how well mineral oil conducts heat; I do know that water 'stores' quite a bit of heat, but this is not necessarily a bad thing.
If you were to use a large enough bath of mineral oil, the oil will definitely suck up heat as long as it's cooler than the components.
Now you'd need some really seriously weird casing for the system; it would need to be a huge heat sink, with larger surface area than volume, if possible. *Everything* would be in contact with the oil, and the case would then be a heat exchanger...
So like you'd need thin aluminum fins *within* the case and aluminum fins outside the case; you'd need more outside fins because air would conduct heat less efficiently than oil, I think...
For an entire system submerged in mineral oil, you could employ a high torque low velocity fan that makes little noise, because it needn't move fast to move the oil, just move a lot of it. Like maybe 3rpm, or 10rpm, for example.
Then you could have a really low noise cooling system!
I can see what you're saying, but what alternative is there to a hardline?
Just unplugging them kills them, as their mind/consciousness is in the Matrix but not in their bodies.
My argument would be that once in the Matrix, the individual has no way of navigating out of the Matrix, that once you are surrounded by illusion one cannot just ignore and step out of the illusion. Neo might be the only one who can, but the again, he's the Chosen One.
Let me ask you(or anyone else even =)
You are currently residing in a virtual reality. You believe it. How do you leave? How can someone else, inside or outside this reality, make you ignore all of existence and just leave?
The hardline is the only process known, probably a combination of protocols, messages, and correct handshakes, to disconnect one from the Matrix. The machines obviously know how to disconnect someone from the Matrix, and maybe even the red pill has something to do with it.
But stuck inside a reality, one doesn't obviously know how to leave it. Short of dying, that is.
What kind of education do they give you in 4th grade?
My education didn't touch the second law of thermodynamics until 11th grade, junior year of HS.
It may be intuitively obvious that one can't get more energy out of a system than exists in the system... But blindly, naively, one can point at gasoline as an example of a system that releases more energy than one puts in(a spark creates a huge explosive combustion)...
So for Morpheus, untrained in any classical physics, it is entirely plausible *for him* that humans are used as batteries.
You need a (simulated, virtual) landline to get in or out of virtual space but cellphones work for talking to/from virtualspace? Who wrote that into the program? A city at the center of the Earth? A "hovercraft" built like a battleship?
Why is it people think all this is inconsistent? I grant that the battery is ill thought out, and more likely a mistake on Morpheus's part, unable to comprehend why the machines would need humans.
As for hardlines, their need is unmistakeable. One needs a port into/out of the Matrix. Their appearance as phones is also in the nature of consistency:this is how the Resistence sees it, not how the Matrix programmed it. Half the movie is about the illusory nature of reality, in and out of the Matrix, and how the human is capable of manipulating reality and bending it or yourself to suit it.
Cellphones are ports which can be accessed, but not entered/left through. Cellphones are *brought* into the Matrix by the good guys, so they are essentially virtual access ports =)
As for the city at the center of the Earth, that is far fetched. More likely it's resting somewhere on the mantle(close enough), especially with the hypothesis that so much time has passed that the Earth's core is cool, that the half life of many nuclear materials is way over, and that there is no energy/entropy source called Sol.
Well, the problem would be that the Littleton shooters copied the Matrix.
This could be argued, as the Littleton boys were planning this for a whole year, way before the Matrix came out.
It is more likely that the Matrix and the Littleton boys both *copied* the same source for inspiration, the cool cliche that is black trenchcoat, sunglasses, and guns.
Black trenchcoats aren't a new thing, introduced by the Matrix. T2 had a guy with a shotgun and trenchcoat. Western myth has for years had gunslingers in trenchcoats, though the sunglasses are new.
It was particularly telling the Louis Cypher would be willing to betray his friends and people in order to get back into this reality that was created by this monstrous demon, into the Matrix.
He even goes as far as to acknowledge that all of it is illusory, the steak, the wine, the restaurant, but that is what he wants and prefers. He can accept living in an illusory world, but is not himself strong enough to create his illusory world, even so far as it being all in his head.
Neo, however, can create his illusory world. He can 'bend himself', rather than bending the spoon.
Nuclear would work, if any were around... Here's why:
Geothermal is not viable because the Earth's core has cooled significantly. Heck, Zion is supposedly somewhere in the core, so enough time has passed since Today that the Earth no longer has a superhot liquid core. That amount of time should also zap a whole bunch of the nuclear capable materials (half life, anyone? I don't know them off the top of my head), so both Geothermal and Nuclear have been tapped out by time.
Why a virtual telephone booth? Because that is the whole concept/premise of rules and laws. The place exists because of rules and laws, and one of them happens to be, the only way in and out of the Matrix are hardwires, and these look like telephones. It could have been anything, but the human mind accepts the idea, and coalesces around the image of a telephone.
It's not that the Matrix created the phones, you realize, but the humans who use them, the whole precept of illusion and stuff. Morpheus gave a lesson to Neo about reality and illusion in the dojo, remember? It's all in your head, what you see, what you do.
Again with the Agents: This is how the people *see* them, not necessarily how the machines craft themselves to be. The Matrix is a reality more than halfway composed of a shared hallucination/dream, until someone can teach them how to control it, like Neo can.
The Matrix is surprisingly consistent... Except for the second law of thermodynamics argument. Humans are not a useable power source; we may have awesome imaginations and they could concieveably be tapping us for our dream state, but the movie explicitly called us batteries. That is something I can't argue about; it seems silly/stupid.
You really don't know what you're talking about...
There is no sun, in the Matrix world, so that source of energy and entropy cannot be harvested.
Geothermal is about the only source one could concievably tap, and I think in the movie, the earth's core is like lukewarm. People live there, for example =)
So yeah, it does violate a whole bunch of 2nd law or thermodynamic principles.
He lives in the real world, but longs desperately for the luxuries and comforts of illusion. He *knows* it's illusion, that the steak is imaginary, but to his brain, it is juicy, and tasty, and wonderful.
The real question then is, how can Cypher so willingly accept illusion? It is, after all, all in his head, all a function of his will and imagination. Counterpoint is the scene in which 'There is no spoon,' because Neo has come to be able to bend himself, to alter his own reality.
But again, one could argue that is the function of the Chosen One, and that someone like Cypher is just incapable of sustaining himself, of *creating* his own illusions, and must return and live within that created by the Matrix.
Of course, I'm not a philosophy major, so I probably really screwed up something =)
Kids and teens don't have a perspective, yet. They are still developing it.
And until they do, everything is a tragedy, and that sometimes underscores or belittles or melodramaticizes their lives.
Being made fun of, criticized, ignored, or taunted I think is mild and easy enough to ignore, or you just cave into peer pressure.
I know I had to deal with worse, and I'm sure some portion of the Hell Mouth feedback also was more than the average persecuted angsty teen. We're talking about racism and epithets, vitriolic diatribes, discrimination and violence based on weight, size, glasses, race, ethnicity, religion, and gender. Things that make a 7 year old question every tenet of their existence, that they are good, that they are loved, that they are valuable.
The fact that it is other kids doing this makes it all the more tragic, because I'm sure those kids are going through all the same self doubt, but they figure out how to overcome it; by projecting it on others.
So by the time EP II comes out, she may very well be 21, and at least 19 when they start filming next year. I mean, she was a 17 year old playing a 14 year old's part!
With a bit of make up, the right clothes, she should have no problem looking her age. I mean, she will be her age, right?
Very crowded thread, may just be lost in the noise. Oh well.
I don't see why people can't stand Jar Jar; sure, he's annoying and irritating, but I'm pretty sure he was designed that way. IMHO, Jar Jar is representative and symbolic of the klutzy, clumsy, graceless, tactless, and inept teenager we all were, at some time or another. Or we were the misfit in grade school no one would hang out with, who got banished to the far side of the playground stuck with a book and waiting for recess to end. Or the person always picked last for dodgeball, forced onto the unlucky team who had too few players, or was always the benchwarmer during pickup baseball games.
I would think people could pick up on the fact. Perhaps if/. had existed 20 years ago, we'd see some very similar complaining about how wimpy and stupid Luke was, and how he ruined the movie, or how much they hated C3P0. I don't know, but I think Jar Jar was a very important part of the film, if only because of that message I picked out, and I hope to see more of him, to see him mature and grow out of his klutziness.
If my reading of the story is correct, and it is only IMHO of course, Jar Jar is meant to be annoying.
He's supposed to be the clumsy, artless, klutzy, silly, tactless, goofy, ignorant clown; if you take him as a archetype(think John Campbell even), he's representative of the populace of people who *don't* fit in, who are inept physically, socially, emotionally, or any other way, yet manages to perservere, manages to overcome(with just a bit of Force guided dumb luck perhaps), and does good.
Will we see him in the next movie? I think so. Heck, I hope so, because I want to see Jar Jar become an accepted, non-irritating, gentle, good humored, well intentioned person.
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You missed the whole point.
I still am =)
So what was the point?
-AS
Then why is he using Windows NT as his main development system?
Because it's the only platform right now that offers good IDEs, compilers, OpenGL support, memory protection, good multi-tasking, good SMP, and decent driver support.
He is very hopeful for MacOSX, because of it's NeXTStep heritage(despite a single mouse button), and with it's future support for OpenGL and all the standard OS features such as protected memory, pre-emptive multi-tasking, hardware GL acceleration, etc.
Linux is a future candidate, as soon as the UI and desktop environs get polished a little and hardware manufacturers support it.
He himself cares little for the *politics*, just for the results. He likes Open Source; he can work without it.
-AS
I was wondering if this thread about M6 being worth it, if it could be moderated down a point so that my post on bugs and issues on M6 could float a little higher?
I attached this comment to a level 5 response to a level 5 post to catch someone's eye. One point down would work...
I'm sorta curious to get more feedback on M6 issues and problems...
Thanks, whoever is reading.
-AS
It is slower than N4.6 right now, definitely.
The jerkiness, I have found, seems to be tied to a bug(?) in which M6 'expands' to suck up all the free CPU cycles. Anyone know why it does that?
Likewise, any way in Windows to click on a link and get a new window? The menubar->file->close option doesn't seem to work, meaning I don't think one can close a window without killing all of them.
-AS
Have to stick with using the menu to open new windows...
I guess I could hack a button for the toolbar, but it's not functionally different than using the menu bar.
On another not, anyone notice M6 expanding to suck up all the free CPU cycles? Anyone know why?
-AS
Okay =)
I guess I'm at fault for misinterpreting. Apologies!
It really is up to the individual what desktop UI/environment is usable and what is not, so the original poster's disagreement does not mean anything to John's view that Gnome in Red Hat 6.0 is... a valid alternative to commercial desktop environments.
I'm sure Gnome users think it's a valid desktop environment as well =)
-AS
You know, if Carmack really did ask Nvidia for the driver source for testing/programming/Open Source use, do ya think Nvidia may actually Open Source it?
I mean requests from thousands of users is much different than a request from The Man(tm) who helps to sell your cards with his games, right?
-AS
Disagree about what? That he likes Gnome and feels its almost at the useable level for him?
Who are you to judge which GUI/environment is best suited for The Man(tm)?
I mean, you might as well take offense at the fact that he installs Linux every year, feels it is not good enough, and continues using WinNT/NeXTStep whatever. Or that he seriously disses VI and emacs, for CodeWarrior(despite bugs), etc.
If one really wanted to delve deeply, one could think his next development platform might be MacOSX Server/Client; NeXTStep environment, *honest* OpenGL support from the vendor, classic refined UI, CodeWarrior(native!), and G4 with Altivec coming soon.
But that is a guess, and not grounded in any fact =)
-AS
Some real problems with using water:
Someone mentioned that it would freeze, and I'm not sure if anyone knows just how good an *insulator* ice is...
Eventually, if you cool your system below 0C, the entire water bath would become ice...
Some don't see any problem, and I may just be paranoid...
But some components *can* approach or exceed 100C, especially if overclocked... Like CPUs or video card chipsets, I think. Now the problem would be that any ice in contact with warm components will melt, so there are pockets of water within this ice cube... But it's guaranteed that the water will remain at 0C as long as it is in contact with more ice...
However, there is something called a triple point, at which ice, water, and vapor can exist all at once.
If the ice forms a complete seal around the system, it may be possible for there to be ice that goes to water which goes to vapor... And you'd have an extremely bad case of melt-vaporize-condese-freeze, with the accompanying expansion/contraction problems, and I imagine there could be explosive cracking within the ice, much as an ice cube does when dropped into a warm soda...
With fragile components in slots/sockets, this might be very bad =)
-AS
Wanted to say a few good things, test M6 on Slashdot, give it a few rounds...
Some things cause it to crash immediately; opening preferences under edit, and hitting okay(even if you don't do *anything*), for example.
Haven't otherwise caused it to crash.
Was able to replace the throbber and some other minor graphics to suit my taste.
Colors suck, but otherwise okay.
Once in a while I lose focus from the window; don't know what is happening...
The executeable is very small, but has a 17mb footprint under NT task manager... Perhaps optimization will shrink this in the future?
Hasn't crashed yet, through normal use, and loading is very fast, if not quite smooth or polished. Anyone notice this?
Under N4.5 or 4.6, it may take a tad longer to load up a page, but the redraw isn't as jerky, and scrolling was definitely smoother. Perhaps an 'animation' issue, like page flipping or double buffering?
Still, much better than m3 and m4. It *seems* stable enough to be my main browser, except I can't right click and open new windows.
Now I have to navigate Slashdot threads one at a time.
Perhaps the capability will be added again in M7?
-AS
If all you want is a low power CPU with decent MHz rating, and don't mind Linux, BeOS, or MacOS, you could always go for a Mac, right? Or an iMac?
I hear that Jobs doesn't like fan noise, either, and kept that in consideration with the design of the iMac.
-AS
Well, if you don't want to overclock, and you want total silence, you really do need a totally passive cooling system, right?
I actually don't know how well mineral oil conducts heat; I do know that water 'stores' quite a bit of heat, but this is not necessarily a bad thing.
If you were to use a large enough bath of mineral oil, the oil will definitely suck up heat as long as it's cooler than the components.
Now you'd need some really seriously weird casing for the system; it would need to be a huge heat sink, with larger surface area than volume, if possible. *Everything* would be in contact with the oil, and the case would then be a heat exchanger...
So like you'd need thin aluminum fins *within* the case and aluminum fins outside the case; you'd need more outside fins because air would conduct heat less efficiently than oil, I think...
For an entire system submerged in mineral oil, you could employ a high torque low velocity fan that makes little noise, because it needn't move fast to move the oil, just move a lot of it. Like maybe 3rpm, or 10rpm, for example.
Then you could have a really low noise cooling system!
Maybe
-AS
I can see what you're saying, but what alternative is there to a hardline?
Just unplugging them kills them, as their mind/consciousness is in the Matrix but not in their bodies.
My argument would be that once in the Matrix, the individual has no way of navigating out of the Matrix, that once you are surrounded by illusion one cannot just ignore and step out of the illusion. Neo might be the only one who can, but the again, he's the Chosen One.
Let me ask you(or anyone else even =)
You are currently residing in a virtual reality. You believe it. How do you leave? How can someone else, inside or outside this reality, make you ignore all of existence and just leave?
The hardline is the only process known, probably a combination of protocols, messages, and correct handshakes, to disconnect one from the Matrix. The machines obviously know how to disconnect someone from the Matrix, and maybe even the red pill has something to do with it.
But stuck inside a reality, one doesn't obviously know how to leave it. Short of dying, that is.
-AS
But he was taught the physics and reality of his reality, and not ours =)
Likewise, we don't know that he even took physics in HS. Physics was optional in our school =)
And we don't even know if he's particularly science oriented. He could just be a particularly good hacker and programmer.
-AS
What kind of education do they give you in 4th grade?
My education didn't touch the second law of thermodynamics until 11th grade, junior year of HS.
It may be intuitively obvious that one can't get more energy out of a system than exists in the system... But blindly, naively, one can point at gasoline as an example of a system that releases more energy than one puts in(a spark creates a huge explosive combustion)...
So for Morpheus, untrained in any classical physics, it is entirely plausible *for him* that humans are used as batteries.
-AS
You need a (simulated, virtual) landline to get in or out of virtual space but cellphones work for talking to/from virtualspace? Who wrote that into the program? A city at the center of the Earth? A "hovercraft" built like a battleship?
Why is it people think all this is inconsistent?
I grant that the battery is ill thought out, and more likely a mistake on Morpheus's part, unable to comprehend why the machines would need humans.
As for hardlines, their need is unmistakeable. One needs a port into/out of the Matrix. Their appearance as phones is also in the nature of consistency:this is how the Resistence sees it, not how the Matrix programmed it. Half the movie is about the illusory nature of reality, in and out of the Matrix, and how the human is capable of manipulating reality and bending it or yourself to suit it.
Cellphones are ports which can be accessed, but not entered/left through. Cellphones are *brought* into the Matrix by the good guys, so they are essentially virtual access ports =)
As for the city at the center of the Earth, that is far fetched. More likely it's resting somewhere on the mantle(close enough), especially with the hypothesis that so much time has passed that the Earth's core is cool, that the half life of many nuclear materials is way over, and that there is no energy/entropy source called Sol.
-AS
Well, the problem would be that the Littleton shooters copied the Matrix.
This could be argued, as the Littleton boys were planning this for a whole year, way before the Matrix came out.
It is more likely that the Matrix and the Littleton boys both *copied* the same source for inspiration, the cool cliche that is black trenchcoat, sunglasses, and guns.
Black trenchcoats aren't a new thing, introduced by the Matrix. T2 had a guy with a shotgun and trenchcoat. Western myth has for years had gunslingers in trenchcoats, though the sunglasses are new.
-AS
It was particularly telling the Louis Cypher would be willing to betray his friends and people in order to get back into this reality that was created by this monstrous demon, into the Matrix.
He even goes as far as to acknowledge that all of it is illusory, the steak, the wine, the restaurant, but that is what he wants and prefers. He can accept living in an illusory world, but is not himself strong enough to create his illusory world, even so far as it being all in his head.
Neo, however, can create his illusory world. He can 'bend himself', rather than bending the spoon.
-AS
Nuclear would work, if any were around... Here's why:
Geothermal is not viable because the Earth's core has cooled significantly. Heck, Zion is supposedly somewhere in the core, so enough time has passed since Today that the Earth no longer has a superhot liquid core. That amount of time should also zap a whole bunch of the nuclear capable materials (half life, anyone? I don't know them off the top of my head), so both Geothermal and Nuclear have been tapped out by time.
Why a virtual telephone booth? Because that is the whole concept/premise of rules and laws. The place exists because of rules and laws, and one of them happens to be, the only way in and out of the Matrix are hardwires, and these look like telephones. It could have been anything, but the human mind accepts the idea, and coalesces around the image of a telephone.
It's not that the Matrix created the phones, you realize, but the humans who use them, the whole precept of illusion and stuff. Morpheus gave a lesson to Neo about reality and illusion in the dojo, remember? It's all in your head, what you see, what you do.
Again with the Agents: This is how the people *see* them, not necessarily how the machines craft themselves to be. The Matrix is a reality more than halfway composed of a shared hallucination/dream, until someone can teach them how to control it, like Neo can.
The Matrix is surprisingly consistent... Except for the second law of thermodynamics argument. Humans are not a useable power source; we may have awesome imaginations and they could concieveably be tapping us for our dream state, but the movie explicitly called us batteries. That is something I can't argue about; it seems silly/stupid.
-AS
You really don't know what you're talking about...
There is no sun, in the Matrix world, so that source of energy and entropy cannot be harvested.
Geothermal is about the only source one could concievably tap, and I think in the movie, the earth's core is like lukewarm. People live there, for example =)
So yeah, it does violate a whole bunch of 2nd law or thermodynamic principles.
-AS
As best exhibited by Louis Cypher (Lucifer? =).
He lives in the real world, but longs desperately for the luxuries and comforts of illusion. He *knows* it's illusion, that the steak is imaginary, but to his brain, it is juicy, and tasty, and wonderful.
The real question then is, how can Cypher so willingly accept illusion? It is, after all, all in his head, all a function of his will and imagination. Counterpoint is the scene in which 'There is no spoon,' because Neo has come to be able to bend himself, to alter his own reality.
But again, one could argue that is the function of the Chosen One, and that someone like Cypher is just incapable of sustaining himself, of *creating* his own illusions, and must return and live within that created by the Matrix.
Of course, I'm not a philosophy major, so I probably really screwed up something =)
-AS
Kids and teens don't have a perspective, yet. They are still developing it.
And until they do, everything is a tragedy, and that sometimes underscores or belittles or melodramaticizes their lives.
Being made fun of, criticized, ignored, or taunted I think is mild and easy enough to ignore, or you just cave into peer pressure.
I know I had to deal with worse, and I'm sure some portion of the Hell Mouth feedback also was more than the average persecuted angsty teen. We're talking about racism and epithets, vitriolic diatribes, discrimination and violence based on weight, size, glasses, race, ethnicity, religion, and gender. Things that make a 7 year old question every tenet of their existence, that they are good, that they are loved, that they are valuable.
The fact that it is other kids doing this makes it all the more tragic, because I'm sure those kids are going through all the same self doubt, but they figure out how to overcome it; by projecting it on others.
-AS
She turns 18 in 13 days...
see Countdown to Legality
So by the time EP II comes out, she may very well be 21, and at least 19 when they start filming next year. I mean, she was a 17 year old playing a 14 year old's part!
With a bit of make up, the right clothes, she should have no problem looking her age. I mean, she will be her age, right?
-AS
Very crowded thread, may just be lost in the noise. Oh well.
/. had existed 20 years ago, we'd see some very similar complaining about how wimpy and stupid Luke was, and how he ruined the movie, or how much they hated C3P0. I don't know, but I think Jar Jar was a very important part of the film, if only because of that message I picked out, and I hope to see more of him, to see him mature and grow out of his klutziness.
I don't see why people can't stand Jar Jar; sure, he's annoying and irritating, but I'm pretty sure he was designed that way. IMHO, Jar Jar is representative and symbolic of the klutzy, clumsy, graceless, tactless, and inept teenager we all were, at some time or another. Or we were the misfit in grade school no one would hang out with, who got banished to the far side of the playground stuck with a book and waiting for recess to end. Or the person always picked last for dodgeball, forced onto the unlucky team who had too few players, or was always the benchwarmer during pickup baseball games.
I would think people could pick up on the fact. Perhaps if
-AS
If my reading of the story is correct, and it is only IMHO of course, Jar Jar is meant to be annoying.
He's supposed to be the clumsy, artless, klutzy, silly, tactless, goofy, ignorant clown; if you take him as a archetype(think John Campbell even), he's representative of the populace of people who *don't* fit in, who are inept physically, socially, emotionally, or any other way, yet manages to perservere, manages to overcome(with just a bit of Force guided dumb luck perhaps), and does good.
Will we see him in the next movie? I think so. Heck, I hope so, because I want to see Jar Jar become an accepted, non-irritating, gentle, good humored, well intentioned person.
Sigh.
-AS