Yep, and they don't make much money on them, nor on the low-priced WPs either, which are the ones that are padding out the numbers. There's a long way to go for them and who knows what will happen now they're part of Microsoft. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on MeeGo / WP, I'm very much a Linux person in most things but I've not seen much to like in any of the phone offerings so far. I'm kind of hopeful that Ubuntu can do something.
What I am saying that Nokia's collapse was not due to the adoption of WP, it was due to the fact the market changed and Nokia was not prepared. WP affected how it collapsed but it was not the reason why it collapsed.
Nokia were left with a portfolio of products that still had sales momentum, but sales were declining and would continue to decline unless they released a viable competitor. Maybe Meego could have worked, we'll never know now, Ahonen aside, there are enough ex-Nokia voices saying that the whole internal management at Nokia was horribly broken and they were never going to produce a viable platform in time.
The point is Elop couldn't do nothing. Choosing WP certainly brought on the decline much more rapidly than the lingering death Nokia would probably have suffered, but Nokia now has a modern portfolio of smartphone products that are increasing rapidly in popularity and their overall sales are second only to Samsung as shown by Table 3 here
I'm arguing against myself here, since I'm no iFan, but Android has overtaken Apple only because it is cheap and because Samsung have ploughed massive marketing budget into their offerings. iPhones are way beyond most of the world's buying power, they're almost unknown in India or Russia and most of China, but Androids can be had for one fifth of the price. Nokia's own super-successful Windows Phone 500 series are also handing Apple their ass and starting to worry Samsung too. I can't be bothered to google the facts but I'm pretty sure Apple still makes the most revenue from smartphone sales.
As to the debt ratings, I misunderstood, you were quoting bond ratings, I ws thinking stock pricing (viewed as a hold/buy by most tipsters). The stock has recovered very well since the initial WP days (I invested my entire pension fund one week after getting my first Nokia Windows Phone, because it was clear, at least to me, that this was undervalued, and I was rewarded handsomely) But you have to consider that the ratings agencies are utterly discredited and clueless and they have no idea of the flow of technology. All that their ratings reflect is precicely the buggy whip picture I described. I would argue that Elop has managed to deploy a small parachute to slow the previously terminal descent Nokia were suffering.
I'll come clean in that I am a fan of the WP phones, but I am more of a fan of Nokia's hardware (I had a 7190, the amazing 7650, a fairly boring business model whose number I forget, then the wonderful N95, which I kept right up until the iPhone 3G (first iPhone to support 3G). At that point, although the Nokia was still way better as a phone and a camera, the user experience of the iPhone was a new world. From then it was hideous landfill androids until the Nokia 800 and I've had Nokia Winphones ever since and love them. Currently on a Nokia 925.
I made no comment about Elop, "Burning Platforms" or buyout strategies/conspiracy theories. I was pointing out that Nokia were the undisputed market leader in buggy whips. iPhone, despite being nowhere near as good a phone as the best Nokias until at least the 3G version, was what people now wanted, and contnue to want.
Nokia went from undisputed market leader to zero on June 29th 2007 Along with everybody else who made phones. They've done very well to survive in any form, let alone one that is now showing pretty good signs of market growth.
I think this may be true in the USA but in the rest of the world it is MUCH cheaper to buy a sim-free phone and a sim-only plan. I've been doing this through the company books for years and even taking cost of capital into account you save 20% minimum and get a much better experience. Although I've broken this rule for my current phone because Vodafone UK had an exclusive on a version with 32GB instead of the stock 16GB, but it will still be on eBay within a year and another sim-free one bought I expect...
Risking my karma with an 'shill' opinion, but on Windows Phone the only apps that can't be uninstalled are the basic built-in OS ones like Mail, IE and Camera. ANY and ALL crapware can be completely removed with click-hold, uninstall. For this reason you don't see much crapware, at least on UK providers.
I stand corrected. Blade Runner was an adaptation of "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep", which as you say is not a short story but a novel. Apologies/.
Yep, this. HP RPN calculators were, and often still are, outstanding. And I remember as a u/grad on work experience running an aircraft engine vibration test using HP FFT analyzers back in the 80s. These bits of kit would still look modern and sexy today, back then it was like they'd dropped through a wormhole. Of course each one cost more than I paid for my first house...
My sentiments entirely. In fact I'm begining to think the film only got made because of his reactionary friends. It certainly wasn't because of talent or artistic merit.
Anyone should be free to practice their religion, as long as its not destructive or doesn't interfere with the freedom of others to live as they see fit.
Unfortunately, by their very nature religions do not fit this description; they are without exception memes whose ultimate aim is 100% indoctrination.
The first book was "meh" the following two of the trilogy were utter crap. I got all three as a job lot at a bookstore for £1 and I could use that £1 now for 0.25l of beer.
And yet, in and of itself, "I Robot" was not a bad movie. It just didn't have much to do with the book. A movie can only really hold a short story with any fidelity - the great successes being "Minority Report" and of course, "Blade Runner" both Phiip K Dick stories that you can read in a couple of hours...
This. Plus I never rated the whole Ender trilogy. I trudged through it but found it shallow, unimaginative and dull. (The Great Enemy are called "Buggers" - so they destroy your planet and then they sodomise you?) Where are the movies of books by Banks or Niven, or even the more modern Reynolds and Asher. Action and plot aplenty amongst any of those and (apart from Niven, alas) proper character devlopment too. OSC is grade C at best, then you hear he's got some nasty politics and for me too it's a no f... way am I going to waste my life to put a cent in this man's pocket.
I like these things, hell, I bought one. I've often been accused of being a Microsoft shill on these pages, but even I think this is too dull a story for the front page.
I'm not calling you out here, but I'm interested in your post. Firstly the Skydrive app (although it seems it isn't very good) has been available for Symbian since long before there was any talk of a buyout. Secondly, MS have NOT yet bought Nokia, they have cleared some of the hurdles but there's still a long way to go and at the moment they have to be seen to be independent, now more than ever (hence Nokia's Surface RT killer) Please provide citations.
Yes, very good point. In fact this is already happening and will be an evolutionary process. Even in my own very prosaic engineering work, being able to run thousands of simulations, even if they aren't the most accurate models, still allows insights that would be impossible to acquire through 'normal' working experience or experiment.
At the risk of becoming an advertising whore I'll post this agian. Peter Woit describes this perfectly from the point of view of a proper mathematician, trying to understand proper physics. It really does look to be all wrong, but you are wrong to attack Hawking - his coffee table book isn't why he's lauded; the idea of radiation from black holes is fundamentally game-changing.
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Yep, and they don't make much money on them, nor on the low-priced WPs either, which are the ones that are padding out the numbers. There's a long way to go for them and who knows what will happen now they're part of Microsoft. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on MeeGo / WP, I'm very much a Linux person in most things but I've not seen much to like in any of the phone offerings so far. I'm kind of hopeful that Ubuntu can do something.
What I am saying that Nokia's collapse was not due to the adoption of WP, it was due to the fact the market changed and Nokia was not prepared. WP affected how it collapsed but it was not the reason why it collapsed.
Nokia were left with a portfolio of products that still had sales momentum, but sales were declining and would continue to decline unless they released a viable competitor. Maybe Meego could have worked, we'll never know now, Ahonen aside, there are enough ex-Nokia voices saying that the whole internal management at Nokia was horribly broken and they were never going to produce a viable platform in time.
The point is Elop couldn't do nothing. Choosing WP certainly brought on the decline much more rapidly than the lingering death Nokia would probably have suffered, but Nokia now has a modern portfolio of smartphone products that are increasing rapidly in popularity and their overall sales are second only to Samsung as shown by Table 3 here
As to the debt ratings, I misunderstood, you were quoting bond ratings, I ws thinking stock pricing (viewed as a hold/buy by most tipsters). The stock has recovered very well since the initial WP days (I invested my entire pension fund one week after getting my first Nokia Windows Phone, because it was clear, at least to me, that this was undervalued, and I was rewarded handsomely) But you have to consider that the ratings agencies are utterly discredited and clueless and they have no idea of the flow of technology. All that their ratings reflect is precicely the buggy whip picture I described. I would argue that Elop has managed to deploy a small parachute to slow the previously terminal descent Nokia were suffering.
I'll come clean in that I am a fan of the WP phones, but I am more of a fan of Nokia's hardware (I had a 7190, the amazing 7650, a fairly boring business model whose number I forget, then the wonderful N95, which I kept right up until the iPhone 3G (first iPhone to support 3G). At that point, although the Nokia was still way better as a phone and a camera, the user experience of the iPhone was a new world. From then it was hideous landfill androids until the Nokia 800 and I've had Nokia Winphones ever since and love them. Currently on a Nokia 925.
Ratings companies now rank Nokia stock as junk.
Citations please.
I made no comment about Elop, "Burning Platforms" or buyout strategies/conspiracy theories. I was pointing out that Nokia were the undisputed market leader in buggy whips. iPhone, despite being nowhere near as good a phone as the best Nokias until at least the 3G version, was what people now wanted, and contnue to want.
Nokia went from undisputed market leader to zero on June 29th 2007 Along with everybody else who made phones. They've done very well to survive in any form, let alone one that is now showing pretty good signs of market growth.
Apple's apps are decent.
Maps?
There is a major difference. Most iPhone users don't give a flying fuck about rooting or modding our damn phones.
True
iOS is still pretty much the same old Mac in terms of user base.
Very, very false.
I think this may be true in the USA but in the rest of the world it is MUCH cheaper to buy a sim-free phone and a sim-only plan. I've been doing this through the company books for years and even taking cost of capital into account you save 20% minimum and get a much better experience. Although I've broken this rule for my current phone because Vodafone UK had an exclusive on a version with 32GB instead of the stock 16GB, but it will still be on eBay within a year and another sim-free one bought I expect...
You get all of this with Windows Phone too: No crapware, one-click restore. everything backed up including sms. Cheaper than iPhone too
Risking my karma with an 'shill' opinion, but on Windows Phone the only apps that can't be uninstalled are the basic built-in OS ones like Mail, IE and Camera. ANY and ALL crapware can be completely removed with click-hold, uninstall. For this reason you don't see much crapware, at least on UK providers.
Actually, I just looked a the pictures...
I stand corrected. Blade Runner was an adaptation of "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep", which as you say is not a short story but a novel. Apologies /.
higher uptimes than I'd been alive.
Thank you for this, I had no idea anything could run this long. When you think that this is twice as long as Ubuntu has been around...
Yep, this. HP RPN calculators were, and often still are, outstanding. And I remember as a u/grad on work experience running an aircraft engine vibration test using HP FFT analyzers back in the 80s. These bits of kit would still look modern and sexy today, back then it was like they'd dropped through a wormhole. Of course each one cost more than I paid for my first house...
My sentiments entirely. In fact I'm begining to think the film only got made because of his reactionary friends. It certainly wasn't because of talent or artistic merit.
Anyone should be free to practice their religion, as long as its not destructive or doesn't interfere with the freedom of others to live as they see fit.
Unfortunately, by their very nature religions do not fit this description; they are without exception memes whose ultimate aim is 100% indoctrination.
The first book was "meh" the following two of the trilogy were utter crap. I got all three as a job lot at a bookstore for £1 and I could use that £1 now for 0.25l of beer.
And yet, in and of itself, "I Robot" was not a bad movie. It just didn't have much to do with the book. A movie can only really hold a short story with any fidelity - the great successes being "Minority Report" and of course, "Blade Runner" both Phiip K Dick stories that you can read in a couple of hours...
This. Plus I never rated the whole Ender trilogy. I trudged through it but found it shallow, unimaginative and dull. (The Great Enemy are called "Buggers" - so they destroy your planet and then they sodomise you?) Where are the movies of books by Banks or Niven, or even the more modern Reynolds and Asher. Action and plot aplenty amongst any of those and (apart from Niven, alas) proper character devlopment too. OSC is grade C at best, then you hear he's got some nasty politics and for me too it's a no f... way am I going to waste my life to put a cent in this man's pocket.
I like these things, hell, I bought one. I've often been accused of being a Microsoft shill on these pages, but even I think this is too dull a story for the front page.
I'm not calling you out here, but I'm interested in your post. Firstly the Skydrive app (although it seems it isn't very good) has been available for Symbian since long before there was any talk of a buyout. Secondly, MS have NOT yet bought Nokia, they have cleared some of the hurdles but there's still a long way to go and at the moment they have to be seen to be independent, now more than ever (hence Nokia's Surface RT killer) Please provide citations.
Yes, very good point. In fact this is already happening and will be an evolutionary process. Even in my own very prosaic engineering work, being able to run thousands of simulations, even if they aren't the most accurate models, still allows insights that would be impossible to acquire through 'normal' working experience or experiment.
At the risk of becoming an advertising whore I'll post this agian. Peter Woit describes this perfectly from the point of view of a proper mathematician, trying to understand proper physics. It really does look to be all wrong, but you are wrong to attack Hawking - his coffee table book isn't why he's lauded; the idea of radiation from black holes is fundamentally game-changing.
At least he has something to shut up about. What you got AC?
Shine on!