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Protect Your Android Phone By Killing All Its Crapware

jfruh writes "Like Windows, Android has built a dominant market share because any hardware manufacturer can license it — and as they did with Windows, those manufacturers are loading up Android devices with their own proprietary crapware. Although the process is a bit convoluted, you can get this crapware off your phone — and in doing so you'll actually make the device more secure."

201 comments

  1. O'rly? No wai! by stressclq · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    And this is news how?

    1. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Title should have read: "Disabled apps are disabled."

      Android vs IOS debate in 3.....2.......

    2. Re:O'rly? No wai! by ciderbrew · · Score: 2

      It's the link bait update report. V important if you want to stay up-to-date with the latest link bait.

    3. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's always news when timothy discovers a new button.

      I wonder what happened if someone replaced all his programs with clickdummies.

    4. Re:O'rly? No wai! by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Informative

      Title should have read: "Disabled apps are disabled."

      But there's still likely several you can't actually uninstall.

      On my HTC phone, I can't uninstall Facebook, but I can disable it. On my Google Nexus, I've had Google re-enable some apps I've specifically disabled because I don't want them.

      They all try to put their crapware on the devices, and can make it awfully difficult to remove or disable them. Because they like to pretend they still own the devices, and they figure their desire to monetize your device outweighs your desire to lock it down.

      I specifically went with the Google branded Nexus so I wouldn't have to worry about the crap from a 3rd party, but that doesn't mean Google has made it any easier to strip out the shit you don't want -- I disabled the YouTube app altogether when the first time I launched it to look at it Google automatically signed me up for an account without asking.

      Welcome to the exciting future, where you don't own the stuff you buy, and the company who made it has embedded everything possible to give them access to your information.

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    5. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's almost if submitter "jfruh" is just some ITWorld.com wonk trying to get hits from Slashdot submissions!

    6. Re: O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My Android phone is a pay-as-you-go Virgin Mobile phone. No contract and I pick up a $35 card at the drugstore each month for unlimited data and 200 min voice. I had to give google one of my gmail addresses and some payment info to get set up with their app store, but little else. I specifically browse the web only with Firefox and never sign into any google property with it. Google keeps trying to encourage more Google+ connectivity, and lately every time I acquire something at the Play Store a dialogue pops up with them wanting my cell number for some form of SMS password recovery. The popup has my number all entered in it and it's an OK button click away from them having it. So their software already has the number, and I'm presumably just acknowledging that fact if I click OK.

      The privacy issues with Android, since we've all dialed into the googleplex to have a Play Store account, deserve some thought.

    7. Re: O'rly? No wai! by spire3661 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am so sick of Google being annoying as fuck. NO i dont want to sign new terms of service, i dont give a fuck about having an SMS emergency contact, no i will NOT provide my real name to youtube and SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT GOOGLE+. In the last year google has gotten incredibly annoying with notifications.

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    8. Re: O'rly? No wai! by ciderbrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree. I've twice deleted the google+ accounts i didn't want,

      getting rid of an adwords account is even harder.

      1. Get a throwaway email address from gmail (or anywhere).
      2. Log into your personal account.
      3. Send invitation to the new email address.
      4. Log out completely from all Google properties.
      5. Click on the link in the email (the new address)
      6. Select "I already have an account" and continue.
      7. This adds the new address to your account.
      8. Log out
      9. Log back in with the old address.
      10. Confirm the addition and promote new user to admin
      11. Log out completely.
      12. Log in with the new address.
      13. Remove your old address from the account
      14. Log out completely
      15. Proceed to accept invitation to the new account. (Select "I already have an account")

      WFT!

    9. Re:O'rly? No wai! by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      I bought a Nexus 4 so I could immediately root it and install an Android OS without the Google tie-in (Cyanogenmod, for example). I only booted it once into stock Android to make sure it wasn't DoA.

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    10. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This really is one of the better reasons to get an iphone. Apple fought the carriers HARD to get their nickle-and-dime shitware off the iphone, and as a result only ATT was willing to pick up the iphone at first.

      Who do none of you fandroids remember the bad old days of carrier phones where built-in features were turned off, replaced by carrier specific crapware and sold back to you at a subscription-only premium? Want music? Maps? Ringtones? Games? Share photos? That will cost you. Each time. And you have to pay a monthly fee just for the privilege of giving us more money each time.

      I just got the 5c and it was effortless. (Previously had a 4)Turn on phone, choose restore, punch in icloud credentials Done. All apps, music, photos, settings, accounts all migrate back over. Easy. Done. Nothing I didn't want. (The fingerprint unlock isn't a gimmick by the way. Its fucking amazing. It's literally faster to unlock the phone than punching in a code, and you can easily and consitantly unlock the phone without looking at it)

      My co-worker got a galaxy S4 at the same time. Nice looking, huge screen, great display. Loaded to the brim with throw-away features that half work, samsung's really awful attempt at copying icloud, and a full page of ATT shitware that actually makes the phone objectively and subjectively worse. She's still trying to get all of her stuff moved over. - The google services, though, migrated perfectly. Google has their shit down, but they lack the clout to tell carriers to go fuck themselves like apple can.

    11. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet you went Google so that you could be a walking, talking advertisement for them.

    12. Re: O'rly? No wai! by TractorBarry · · Score: 5, Interesting

      +10 agree. Google are the NSA in disguise. The internet was built on anonymity and we're going to have to fight to keep it that way.

      Maybe we should all start using "Luther Blisset" as our "Real Name" on anything that ask for one ?

      Hell let's all actually change our names to Luther Blisset :)

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    13. Re:O'rly? No wai! by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

      Too bad only iPhones and Android phones exists.

      If only there was other smart phones available...

      PS: I heard that Blackberry phones let you remove almost anything you don't want and you can run android apps.

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    14. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Havn't figured out how to get rid of the lag yet.

    15. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5c has a fingerprint scanner?

    16. Re: O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firefox for Android wants even more invasive permissions than Facebook and LinkedIn. Ditch that shit ASAP.

    17. Re:O'rly? No wai! by P-niiice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      yeah but its a blackberry

    18. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Bugler412 · · Score: 1

      as do Windows phones, but no Android apps (ducking the flames lol)

    19. Re:O'rly? No wai! by ArcadeMan · · Score: 0

      No it doesn't.

    20. Re: O'rly? No wai! by oodaloop · · Score: 2

      WFT!

      WTF is that acronym?

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    21. Re:O'rly? No wai! by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

      I know. It's not "Kewl".
      Your friends might laugh at you.

      If you don't like the options then your current situation isn't that bad if you are not willing to vote with your wallet or feet.

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    22. Re: O'rly? No wai! by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      Just to be clear, I think that's a function of online services, not google specifically, and not android. Facebook is worse. It keeps asking me where I work, where I went to high school etc. It clearly has enough information to guess, as it makes suggestions which are pretty spot on based on my friends' data.

      My android phone, I never get nuisances like that. My ipad is actually worse. It keeps asking me to sign in with gamecenter.

      Not to say that google is superior, just that online services you use for "free" will always pester you like virtual paparazzi.

    23. Re:O'rly? No wai! by freeze128 · · Score: 2

      Wishful thinking. I had a blackberry and Verizon FORCED an app on it.... BING search of all things. You can't uninstall it. It set the default search engine to BING in the web browser, and plastered the icon everywhere. Sure, you can HIDE the icon, but the program is still installed.

    24. Re:O'rly? No wai! by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      Yep, you have to root for this.

      The fault is not android or HTC, this is exclusively and explicitly the fault of the carriers.

    25. Re: O'rly? No wai! by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      This would be a really good opportunity to write an app that would present a false phone number to certain other apps. I bet they would stop sending unwanted texts if you told them your phone number was 911.

    26. Re:O'rly? No wai! by eudaemon · · Score: 2

      Even my venerable Nexus One had to be rooted to remove the twitter and facebook apks and that was a stock phone straight from google play. No crapware that I noticed on the Nexus 4, so at least that's alright. But it's nearly impossible to exit the Google ecosystem entirely and use an android phone.

    27. Re:O'rly? No wai! by eudaemon · · Score: 2

      What do you mean bad old days? Verizon still does this.

    28. Re: O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks Luther. Yours Sincerely, Luther Blisset

    29. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember the featurephone days, and some providers requiring you to buy/download their ringtones from them, and actively having a patched firmware disallowing use of a cable. That was one of the reasons I went with an open touchscreen smartphone back in '06 running Windows Mobile (which was fairly open at the time, when smartphone owners were viewed as corporate execs or geeks, while the people with style had Sidekicks or RAZRs.)

      The thing with Android is that one needs to buy a phone that either comes with an open bootloader (via fastboot oem unlock), or can be unlocked (like HTC devices [1].) Then, from there, find someone who de-fanged a stock ROM and go from there.

      Google has done a great job with Android, but in order to get market share, they had to compromise, thus the mess you see now. However, if the phone has an unlocked bootloader, tossing all the crapware isn't hard, and even a phone to phone migration isn't too bad, especially with a program like Titanium Backup.

      I also moved from a 5 to a 5S (mainly so I could give the old 5 to a relative who needs a decent phone), and it wasn't too bad, although I did a force erase and DFU restore, it was a matter of booting it, entering the Wi-Fi PW, entering the AppleID info, kicking off an iCloud restore and reloading apps. However, migrating between Android devices is not that much more difficult, especially with a utility like Titanium Backup.

      [1]: I wish the HTC site would give a full S/OFF and not just a bootloader unlock, but this is better than nothing.

    30. Re: O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you didn't notice, this is how Google is operating and in the end making it's money: by collecting and using your information. They are an advertisement firm, lest you thought anything else.

    31. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blackberries suck ass and they're about to go out of business so even if they didn't suck ass, it's not a wise investment.

      Captcha: unguided (pretty much like this comment :)

    32. Re: O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am so sick of Google being annoying as fuck. NO i dont want to sign new terms of service, i dont give a fuck about having an SMS emergency contact, no i will NOT provide my real name to youtube and SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT GOOGLE+. In the last year google has gotten incredibly annoying with notifications.

      Simple solution: Stop using Google's services.

    33. Re: O'rly? No wai! by slash.jit · · Score: 1

      If you think that by using Firefox you can bypass Google, try the Lightbeam plugin from Firefox and see what all websites it actually refers while browsing various websites.

    34. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of the bad old days; anyone remember when a Verizon engineer choked a customer? lol.

    35. Re: O'rly? No wai! by airdweller · · Score: 1

      "Facebook is worse. It keeps asking me where I work, where I went to high school etc. It clearly has enough information to guess, as it makes suggestions which are pretty spot on based on my friends' data. "
      Just do what I did - make it up. It might take some effort to make FB accept the information, but it definitely won't be a big challenge (FB wouldn't accept R'lyeh as my place of birth, so I had to be more subtle, etc.).

    36. Re:O'rly? No wai! by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

      They have at least 3-4 years to go before you need to worry about that.
      Subsidized phone contract last 2 years or so you'll be fine.

      You should go back to whining about how bad your iPhone/Android is since nothing else is good enough.

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    37. Re:O'rly? No wai! by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      PS: I heard that Blackberry phones let you remove almost anything you don't want and you can run android apps.

      Why yes, I should run right out and buy a phone from a company I expect to be dead within the year.

      Sorry, but I bought my wife a BB PlayBook ... and in my opinion it's a Steaming Heap of Innovative Technology (SHIT). It, in theory, ran Android apps -- in practice, well, it didn't. And then they stopped providing updates.

      I have no interest whatsoever in the crap BlackBerry is selling.

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    38. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Karlt1 · · Score: 2

      The fault is not android or HTC, this is exclusively and explicitly the fault of the carriers.

      If Apple was able to say "No" to the carriers when the carriers wanted to put their branding on their phone and install crapware, why can't Android manufacturers?

      That's like blaming the carriers for not updating phones to the latest OS.

    39. Re:O'rly? No wai! by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      And who allowed the carriers to install this crapware? There's no carrier installed crapware on iPhones.

    40. Re: O'rly? No wai! by cyberchondriac · · Score: 0

      WFT!

      WTF is that acronym?

      It's Yodanese

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    41. Re:O'rly? No wai! by thewolfkin · · Score: 1

      Title should have read: "Disabled apps are disabled."

      But there's still likely several you can't actually uninstall.

      Article addresses this:

      But if it is crapware, an Uninstall button won't be there. There will, however, be a button that reads either "Uninstall updates" or Disable. If there's an "Uninstall updates" button, tap it. The button will change to read Disable.

      Tap the Disable button. That will disable the app, and from now on, the app won't launch in the background.

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    42. Re:O'rly? No wai! by thewolfkin · · Score: 1

      the carrier software isn't what's annoying.. it's the handset manufacturer software.

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    43. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know. It's not "Kewl". Your friends might laugh at you.

      If you don't like the options then your current situation isn't that bad if you are not willing to vote with your wallet or feet.

      Has nothing to do with "kewlness" and everything to do with apps. They're the only reason to have a smart phone instead of a "feature" phone, since even feature phones can browse and do email. When a new app comes out, it's basically for IOS and probably for Android eventually if it's successful, and pretty much a miracle if it shows up on any other platform.

    44. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fault is not android or HTC, this is exclusively and explicitly the fault of the carriers.

      If Apple was able to say "No" to the carriers when the carriers wanted to put their branding on their phone and install crapware, why can't Android manufacturers?

      That's like blaming the carriers for not updating phones to the latest OS.

      Because enough customers want an Apple iPhone that Apple can do that.

      Not enough customers want a Samsung or HTC phone to give those manufacturers that much leverage over carriers.

    45. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean that she's having trouble moving her stuff over? Maybe it's a Samsung thing, but Google has been Turn on phone, punch in Gmail credentials Done. All contacts, apps, etc install and ready to go. I forget the path, but you can go into Google settings somewhere and tweak which apps to reinstall or not. It's been that way since android first came out (apps I think were a little later, but sign in and contacts auto-magically appear was one of the selling points for me).

      The old on the phone or on the sim BS had to go.

    46. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This really is one of the better reasons to get an iphone. Apple fought the carriers HARD to get their nickle-and-dime shitware off the iphone. . .

      iTunes.

      'Nuff said.

    47. Re: O'rly? No wai! by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Facebook is worse. It keeps asking me where I work, where I went to high school etc.

      So, tell it you were born in Auckland New Zealand, went to school at a Yeshiva in Morocco Spain, and currently live in Dublin Ohio and work at Starbucks.

      Pollute their data. That was the only way I got them to stop asking (not with that particular combination, but run wild, have fun with it).

      If they're so obsessed with having you fill in something, lie to them. What Facebook wants out of the deal isn't my concern.

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    48. Re: O'rly? No wai! by Darinbob · · Score: 0

      So, FTW means something other than I thought?

    49. Re:O'rly? No wai! by intermodal · · Score: 1

      No, but Apple installs some, and with less ways of exploring it. At least they did back when I had my 3G.

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    50. Re: O'rly? No wai! by cyberchondriac · · Score: 0

      So, FTW means something other than I thought?

      Well, actually, sometimes I'll exclaim, "Fuck the what?!".. just to be goofy. A little like saying, "bass ackwards".

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    51. Re:O'rly? No wai! by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1

      Risking my karma with an 'shill' opinion, but on Windows Phone the only apps that can't be uninstalled are the basic built-in OS ones like Mail, IE and Camera. ANY and ALL crapware can be completely removed with click-hold, uninstall. For this reason you don't see much crapware, at least on UK providers.

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    52. Re:O'rly? No wai! by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 0

      You get all of this with Windows Phone too: No crapware, one-click restore. everything backed up including sms. Cheaper than iPhone too

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    53. Re:O'rly? No wai! by sadboyzz · · Score: 2

      But there's still likely several you can't actually uninstall. On my HTC phone, I can't uninstall Facebook, but I can disable it. On my Google Nexus, I've had Google re-enable some apps I've specifically disabled because I don't want them.

      If you have root access you can just remove any apks you don't like from /system/app and they're gone for good. You can always get root if you buy the Nexus phones or the so-called "developer" phones. If you can't have root access because the your device is locked down from the bootloader (and no one has yet published an expliot to unlock it), then that essentially means you don't "own" the hardware.

      They all try to put their crapware on the devices, and can make it awfully difficult to remove or disable them. Because they like to pretend they still own the devices, and they figure their desire to monetize your device outweighs your desire to lock it down.

      Well, to be fair, they feel that way because they sold you a $600 phone for $200. So it's not really that outrageous they woud try to recoup that difference, by doing their best to force you to use their shitware. The confusion arises from the fact that you expect to fully own a device, while paying subsidized price.

      If you really want to have full control of your device, then you'll need to adjust your expectations, that a high-end phone is $600 and not $200.

      I specifically went with the Google branded Nexus so I wouldn't have to worry about the crap from a 3rd party, but that doesn't mean Google has made it any easier to strip out the shit you don't want

      AFAIK all Nexus devices are bootloader unlocked, which means you can do whatever you want with the device, up to ripping out the whole operating system and installing your own. Does Google make it easy for you to remove their stuff? No. But that's no different from say a laptop. Does Microsoft make it easy for you to remove IE? When I buy a Thinkpad, there's Microsoft shit and Lenovo shit, and they don't make it easy for me remove their shit, but there's nothing stopping me from installing Linux. Same goes for smart phones, which are essentially small computers.

      Welcome to the exciting future, where you don't own the stuff you buy, and the company who made it has embedded everything possible to give them access to your information.

      The fact is, it really isn't that bad, at least not yet. The phone manufacturers are more than happy to sell you "developer" devices at a full price, and if that's too expensive then get a Nexus. The subsidized pricing model seems to flourish especially in the US market, presumably because the carriers make back much more than loss on the initial hardware sale over the long run. But the consumers are not without blame, as they've basically voted with their wallets saying that it's OK to trade their freedom (to tinker) and their privacy for a couple hundred bucks off their new shiny device. Luckily the choice is still there, but just don't expect to pay $200 for a $600 device and still be able to do whatever you want with it.

    54. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you:

      a) Stupid
      b) Ignorant
      c) Shilling

      iTunes hasn't been required for a while now.

    55. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Root your phone, and that problem goes away. I permanently removed ALL the google apps from my Nexus 5 for a few days to make sure it can be done, and it is possible. Just make sure to remove ALL of them, as some will download updates to others because of required interfunctionality.

    56. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are making the assumption that everyone wants iCloud (or iAnything). Even if I HAD an iPhone, iCloud is a non-starter for me. I keep my own backups, thanks, and can restore my devices much quicker over USB from my desktop then over wifi.

      And I guess you didn't read about how ridiculously easy it is to break into iPhones with finger print readers. It takes literally no effort, since it's the equivalent of leaving your front door key in the lock all the time and hoping nobody walks up and turns it. I guess it's ok if you have absolutely nothing of value on your device, but just as with iCloud, I can't afford to trust a shady company with my data, and I refuse to trust an extremely easy to spoof mechanism with the keys to my entire device.

    57. Re: O'rly? No wai! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      The internet was built on anonymity

      Not really. It was built without consideration either way to anonymity. Then along came cookies and TOR.

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    58. Re:O'rly? No wai! by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

      I have to give you points for your comment on BB's tablet. This probably has to do with the fact that BB abandoned it.

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    59. Re:O'rly? No wai! by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

      Oh, I forgot.

      It won't be dead within a year. Too many governments rely on its baked-in security.

      Besides, why would anyone buy something different just to stick it to the 2 big corps that don't give a shit about their lemmings. (Face it. The only thing they care about are their stockholders)

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    60. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Krneki · · Score: 1

      No, a better solution is to wipe the phone clean. It doesn't matter if it is BB, iPhone or Droid. WIPE IT Clean and install only the things you need. Anything less is NOT acceptable security wise.

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    61. Re:O'rly? No wai! by P-niiice · · Score: 1

      Yep, lack of 'Kewlness' is exactly why millions have moved onto other platforms. Blackberry simply needs more bling and maybe a pic of Justin Beiber carrying one in blurry foreground in front of his toned rippling chest muscles to get the youngsters all hot for it.

    62. Re: O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt.

      His name, is my name too.

    63. Re:O'rly? No wai! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where are these captchas you speak of? I never see them on slashdot.

    64. Re:O'rly? No wai! by TheRealLifeboy · · Score: 1

      You can always install Ubuntu on your Nexus, then everything is open and you can turn off what you don't like or remove it.

  2. Hooray by egr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some guy found new button in application management settings... good for him! However the summary is misleading, it does not get the crapware off, it just disables the applications.

    1. Re:Hooray by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      he did give information on how to completely remove them, specifically stating that you needed to "root" your phone (giving a link to how to do it) and then gave a link to an app which allows you to really remove the crapware after having rooted your phone...

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    2. Re:Hooray by egr · · Score: 1

      True that, I guess I missed it because it was just one paragraph at the end. However app disabling still seems to be the main focus of the article.

    3. Re:Hooray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having a Galaxy Nexus (Verizon) vs previous Android smart phone on Verizon, there's a difference. A bunch of software on the old phone put there by Samsung & Verizon could not be removed. At least there was only one Verizon app on the Nexus, and the hacks added to it to verify some of the Verizon permissions (like wifi hotspot). Still, was not happy to have to "upgrade" to new Google shovelware (Google+), but that is not limited to just the phone.

    4. Re:Hooray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which is not even true on the most sold phones.

      just opened a all share samsung crap ware that is full of security holes, i can't even disable updates!

    5. Re:Hooray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way to get rid of the crapware is to flush that Android abomination down the shitter.
       
      Fuck Android. Fuck fandroids.

  3. This article needs to die! right now!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article is meaningless for a slashdot crowd. Don't bother wasting your time.

  4. Disable is disabled by Russ1642 · · Score: 5, Informative

    On my Galaxy S3, which is loaded only with genuine Samsung crapware, disable is disabled on those apps.

    1. Re:Disable is disabled by Vaakku · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uninstall updates on those apps first. Then it will let you disable them.

    2. Re:Disable is disabled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just like the article says, which supposedly nobody on slashdot needs to read.

    3. Re:Disable is disabled by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

      Nope. Disable is disabled. It will not let you uninstall them without rooting the phone.

    4. Re:Disable is disabled by Russ1642 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Correction. A few will let you disable them. Many will not, whether you uninstall updates or not.

    5. Re:Disable is disabled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's what they made root for. If Samsung starts locking bootloaders they'll learn the hard way like HTC.

    6. Re:Disable is disabled by martinmarv · · Score: 2

      Uninstalling updates enables "Disable" on some apps, but not others, unfortunately (on non-rooted devices). I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 3, and can't disable the Samsung Music app

    7. Re:Disable is disabled by tbuddy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Root it and put CyanogenMod on it.
      That was the first thing I did with my phone. Also, the Verizon S3 is fully loaded with Verizon Crapware, not just the Samsung crapware.

    8. Re:Disable is disabled by Luckyo · · Score: 0

      Doesn't it comes with serious caveats, like losing some of the phone's functionality?
      I remember last time I researched it, you'd lose camera completely or camera quality would degrade massively and some other functionality of the phone got lost upon installing cyanogenmod.

    9. Re:Disable is disabled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Add to that Samsung "apps" will still nag you about updates being available, even when they're disabled.

    10. Re:Disable is disabled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buying your phone from a mobile network company is a stupid idea anyway. It is almost always more expensive and they get to put crap on your phone.

    11. Re:Disable is disabled by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Can't you compile Android from scratch and install it on your phone?

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    12. Re:Disable is disabled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On my Galaxy S3, which is loaded only with genuine Samsung crapware, disable is disabled on those apps.

      Just disable Samsung's disabling of the disable option.

    13. Re:Disable is disabled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes and no. The hardware drivers and chipset stuff are often proprietary and not included in AOSP. So if you just go the open source route, your phone probably won't work. The folks who do all the work bringing you custom roms have to extract this stuff from factory recovery images or from working phones, then do the integration to get them into a build based off of AOSP. Even with them doing this work, some phones (for example) will have non-functional camera when using one of the roms.

    14. Re:Disable is disabled by Greyfox · · Score: 2
      You don't even have to root it. Just put the cyanogenmod image on your flash disk, use Odin to install the appropriate recovery image, boot to that recovery image and install the CM image.

      Buy a copy of mybackup pro or something and you can back up all your apps and data to your flash drive in advance. It doesn't seem to need root to do this.

      It's a bit of a convoluted process if you allow the original image to boot before you boot to the recovery -- it'll reinstall the stock recovery without so much as asking. But if you just follow the steps I outlined, you'll end up with CM on your phone, the CM recovery and never having to root the thing.

      I lost the T-Mobile wifi calling by doing this, but the only place it ever worked for me was at home anyway. My signal is pretty good at the house anyway. Everything else works as well as or better than the stock S3 image, and you can delete all that crap the carrier installs on your phone by default. The visual voice mail still even works.

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    15. Re:Disable is disabled by neminem · · Score: 1

      Having only just recently (a few days ago) flashed my phone with Cyanogenmod - it probably depends on the phone, but in the case of my Samsung Epic 4g, flashing Cyanogenmod didn't break any functionality. Or I should say, it did break autorotate out of the box, but there was a fix for it (temporarily boot into stock, run a calibration tool, reboot). I haven't seen anything else working worse; this includes the camera, which seems the same.

    16. Re:Disable is disabled by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      My Samsung GS3 (d2tmo) works fine with Cyanogen, and I have had fewer issues than with the stock. The stock d2tmo wasn't bad, but it had all the T-Mo crap I will never use, since I am not on T-Mo service.

      Camera, especially with Focal (app/beta) works great. No issues. I'm currently running CM 10.2 M1 and have a couple "odd" issues, and two random reboots, but generally am happy. I ran CM 10.1 for several months without ANY issues, and I'm sure that once CM 10.2 goes stable, it will be "stable". But it is a good daily driver right now. AND the bonus is, my battery life is way better than the stock ROM. Easily 3 hours more every day (I use my phone a lot)

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    17. Re:Disable is disabled by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      That's samsungs very annoying way of telling you to root it, I suppose. Or buy another phone. You can get titaniumbackup and freeze those programs once you do. I was annoyed by this too on my S2.

    18. Re:Disable is disabled by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Actually, for most people it's cheaper, since the big networks don't give you a discount for buying your own phone. If you're talking about switching from AT&T or verizon, then sure it would be cheaper, but staying within those two as most people do, no, it's cheaper to subsidize a phone, since you pay the same price anyway.

    19. Re:Disable is disabled by Monsuco · · Score: 2

      Doesn't it comes with serious caveats, like losing some of the phone's functionality? I remember last time I researched it, you'd lose camera completely or camera quality would degrade massively and some other functionality of the phone got lost upon installing cyanogenmod.

      Sometimes nightly builds have this issue. Usually by the time you get to release candidates this issue is solved. My Droid 4 has been happily running Cyanogenmod for several months.

    20. Re:Disable is disabled by JoshRosenbaum · · Score: 1

      On my Verizon Galaxy S3 I rooted and installed BoneStock ROM. I chose this over Cyanogenmod, because it is mostly the stock ROM with lots of tweaks. Since it is basically the stock ROM, you don't lose any features and have less chance of bugs. (For example: No losing your camera.) However, it allows you to pick pretty much everything you want to install on the device and re-enables base features disabled by Verizon. (Wifi tethering for example.) I unselected most of the Verizon bloat along with many Samsung features I did not need. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside not having all that bloatware. The features list is huge too. Check out the link below to find all you can do with the ROM.

      The BoneStock ROM can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2275376

      The xda-developers forum has all sorts of ROMs and root methods, so be sure to navigate to your correct subforum and see all the different ROMs and root methods you can use.

    21. Re:Disable is disabled by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      Same on my HTC Evo 4G LTE. Some of the Sprint crapware is also undisableable.

      Worse, in my opinion, is the stupid Facebook for HTC Sense app. You can't uninstall it without rooting, and even disabling it won't let you install the stock Facebook app, which means that you perpetually have this stupid notification icon that harasses you to sync Facebook with Sense (so it can update your contacts with all your random Facebook friends).

    22. Re:Disable is disabled by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      Root it and put CyanogenMod on it.

      Amazing that people would buy a device with software so bad the first recommended action is wiping it and installing an alternative.

      Didn't we have enough of this with Windows PCs?

      Android, the Windows of the mobile world.

    23. Re:Disable is disabled by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      You don't even have to root it. Just put the cyanogenmod image on your flash disk, use Odin to install the appropriate recovery image, boot to that recovery image and install the CM image.
      It's a bit of a convoluted process if you allow the original image to boot before you boot to the recovery -- it'll reinstall the stock recovery without so much as asking. But if you just follow the steps I outlined, you'll end up with CM on your phone, the CM recovery and never having to root the thing.

      I'll let my mother know. Alternatively she could go for an iPhone.

    24. Re:Disable is disabled by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The ones you can't disable are required for the phone to work. They are kind of like drivers for specific parts of the phone like the proprietary Samsung sharing, or required for operation of the default Samsung launcher (which you can replace with one of your choice from Play).

      If you want rid of all of them just install Cyanogen, but of course you lose access to Samsung specific features.

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    25. Re:Disable is disabled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes you can. But using cyanogenmod is easier, if all you want is:
      * no crapware, and therefore a snappier phone
      * a newer version of android than the phone manufacturer provides

    26. Re:Disable is disabled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure gladly. Happen to know if it works with the DroidX? You know the one with the bootloader they never fully cracked and probably never will be.

    27. Re:Disable is disabled by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1

      I think this may be true in the USA but in the rest of the world it is MUCH cheaper to buy a sim-free phone and a sim-only plan. I've been doing this through the company books for years and even taking cost of capital into account you save 20% minimum and get a much better experience. Although I've broken this rule for my current phone because Vodafone UK had an exclusive on a version with 32GB instead of the stock 16GB, but it will still be on eBay within a year and another sim-free one bought I expect...

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    28. Re:Disable is disabled by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Hmm. I was under impression that the issue was that modders had no access to some drivers, causing loss of functionality as they basically had to code a substitute that wouldn't perform as well as the original.

      Good to know. I should look at it again.

    29. Re:Disable is disabled by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Every device is different, contemporary ones with active development are moving targets.

      On xperia play touchpad support is complicated. On my Nexus 4 CM seems perfect.

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    30. Re:Disable is disabled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't really have a choice. What's the official alternative to Cyanogenmod? The only think close is a Nexus device. Nexus devices don't come in all the hardware configurations we would want. Most notably, no such thing as a Nexus device with a QWERTY keyboard. When the product you want doesn't exist, you have to make sacrifices.

    31. Re:Disable is disabled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, not unless you have a Nexus device. If you compile it from source on a regular phone, you won't have all the drivers you need to make the phone work. The drivers are not open source.

  5. Overprivilaged Apps Security Risk... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But root your phone to remove them. Yeah, because rooting doesn't make the phone inherently more vulnerable.

    Oh and it's nice that he's recommending basic Android 101 stuff (i.e. disable the app) which is presumably meant for a novice. He then recommends rooting to this same group knowing full well that these people shouldn't ever root their phone because it will cause more harm than good. Nice.

    1. Re:Overprivilaged Apps Security Risk... by egr · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is possible to root the phone, remove the crapware and then remove the root. No need to keep it.

    2. Re:Overprivilaged Apps Security Risk... by mlts · · Score: 0

      Why would root be a security risk? Unlike iOS where the entire security model is dependent on how secure the jails are (and if JB-ed, all bets are off), Android functions exactly the same.

      The only way it would be an issue is if one clicks "yes" when the superuser app asks for permission. Even then, newer apps have a su permission (android.permission.ACCESS_SUPERUSER) request that one sees on installing, so an app that doesn't explicitly state on installing it might use root privs won't ever get through the superuser app anyway, or it will give a big warning.

      Root comes into handy a lot of times, especially if one wants to use a utility like EncFS for securing data, backup application files completely with Titanium Backup, or just ensure a high bandwidth app only uses a Wi-Fi connection.

    3. Re:Overprivilaged Apps Security Risk... by egr · · Score: 1

      I think the grand parent sees root as a risk 'cause it introduces additional level of complexity which could contain potential exploits. Superuser app is not bulletproof and may contain bugs. There is also a human factor. How many of us managed to dismiss a dialog box without actually reading them? I know I did not because I click everything, but because those thing may popup at most inconvenient time, when you want to click on something else.

      To keep root or not to keep depends on users' needs. I just wanted to point out that it is not necessary to keep it once the job is done and it is no longer required.

    4. Re:Overprivilaged Apps Security Risk... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      But root your phone to remove them. Yeah, because rooting doesn't make the phone inherently more vulnerable.

      You jest but most cases you would need to exploit a local vulnerability in the superuser app in order for any program to get root without a prompt going to the user when it happens. Root does not mean everything has root access, it simply enables applications to 'su'. I would have expected if something like that has happened we'd have heard about it by now.

    5. Re:Overprivilaged Apps Security Risk... by sadboyzz · · Score: 1

      Or you can boot into a custom recovery like clockworkmod, start adb shell, mount /system and make whatever changes you like from there. No need to root at all.

  6. Or buy an iPhone by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As reviled as Apple might be by gearheads about issues like flexibility and not letting samsung et all reap all the rewards for taking none of the risks, Apple stands up to telcos and don't let them put crapware on the phone, and the stuff Apple themselves makes and puts on the phone they actually attempt to make decently. The walled garden keeps the bad people out as much as it keeps the good people in. Stuff like this generates loyalty, folks. It's not just fanboyism.

    1. Re:Or buy an iPhone by smash · · Score: 1

      Pretty much. Telco crapware can die in a fire.

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    2. Re:Or buy an iPhone by Tukz · · Score: 4, Funny

      If I remove the crapware on an Apple iPhone (iOS), it won't work at all.

      Let's see how many Apple fans got a sense of humour.

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    3. Re:Or buy an iPhone by swb · · Score: 2

      And although you can't remove the stock Apple apps, some are optional like Remote (for AppleTV) and they don't do something dumb like locking the apps to a specific screen or location. I have an app folder with a bunch of seldom used Apple apps on the last app screen.

    4. Re:Or buy an iPhone by tonywestonuk · · Score: 0

      Why is this flamebate?.... The guy makes a valid point. One thing worse than an apple fanboi is a rabid apple hater.

    5. Re:Or buy an iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new around here (and the internet in general).

      Saying anything positive about Apple is like a red rag to a bull. Guaranteed to be downvoted.

       

    6. Re:Or buy an iPhone by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

      It's not flamebait, but it's quite inaccurate. You can't remove pretty much any of the Apple apps, and you can't automatically have replacement emails apps, browsers, etc work. The only difference is most of the apps you're forced to leave installed are at least decent, although almost never the best of breed.

    7. Re:Or buy an iPhone by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

      Well, it did get rid of the Android crap ware all right!

    8. Re:Or buy an iPhone by smash · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but the supplied apple apps generally aren't what one would class as "crapware". They actually work well.

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    9. Re:Or buy an iPhone by mlts · · Score: 1

      It boils down to personal preference. Apple's apps are decent, but if there is a feature you want (browser client certificates, gpg plugins), you are SOL. Android might have default apps which might be "meh" level, but they can be replaced. Tired of the stock keyboard? Download Swype. Tired of the stock music player? There are plenty of other players. Want a better SMS client? Plenty out there on the Play Store.

      A good example is mail. With my Android phone, I like keeping my "professional" E-mail account with the custom domain separated from my casual accounts. For the Exchange stuff, it gets a dedicated TouchDown app. For my "secure" E-mail account (one which is only used for private communication), it gets its own K-9 app. Everything else goes on the stock app.

    10. Re:Or buy an iPhone by grub · · Score: 1

      There is a good app called Divide for iOS and Android. Forms a nice, separate spot for all your work stuff (mail, calendars, contacts, etc.)

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    11. Re:Or buy an iPhone by ducomputergeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is a major difference. Most iPhone users don't give a flying fuck about rooting or modding our damn phones. Many of us have enough in our day to day lives with work computers, personal computers, friends and family's computers that the last thing we want to do is fuck around with the computers in our pockets.

      That is major difference I see between iOS users and Android users around here.

      For better, and probably worse, Android is the new Microsoft Windows. iOS is still pretty much the same old Mac in terms of user base. My prediction is that we'll continue to see most attack vectors go towards Android devices because manufactures have a spotty record when it comes to releasing security patches and updates on their phones and the phones will allow users to side load apps from whatever marketplace they want. People can cry all they want about "Freedom" with android, but if it was really all the free and open, why are there secured boot loaders on most of the handsets. Unless you mean freedom to the handset manufactures and carriers. I mean the carriers are the customers. Not the users. (Except oddly enough with the iPhone where Apple was able to bend the carriers to their will and not the other way around).

      Have to remember the carriers wanted android as much as users because they saw it as a possible way to gain control back from Apple when it comes to Apple devices on their networks. Maybe without Jobs they'll be able to turn the table eventually....

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    12. Re:Or buy an iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, they stand up to telcos so they don't put crapware on their phone.

      They already do it themselves and charge companies for it.

      Do I need Stocks by Yahoo!? No. Would I ever use the built in browser? No. Do I want to be navigated to the middle of nowhere and possibly die (Australia) or drive onto a fucking active Airfield? (Alaska)? No, their GPS software is CRAP, and ... oh wait, it's integrated and can't be removed. Lord knows what other garbage I can't uninstall (I don't have any i devices). I've seen a bunch of channels I never plan on using for their TV product. CRAPWARE!

      The referenced study is also pretty garbage. They don't actually list vulnerabilities - just "paths to vulnerabilities" (i.e. it "could" happen, just as a meteor smashing into the roof of your house could happen). I mean, look at their tables. Who lists vulnerabilities in percentages?!?

      Comments like yours is from fanyboyism, not loyalty. People who aren't blinded by their glitz call it as they are.

    13. Re:Or buy an iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It boils down to personal preference. Apple's apps are decent, but if there is a feature you want (browser client certificates, gpg plugins), you are SOL. Android might have default apps which might be "meh" level, but they can be replaced. Tired of the stock keyboard? Download Swype. Tired of the stock music player? There are plenty of other players. Want a better SMS client? Plenty out there on the Play Store.

      A good example is mail. With my Android phone, I like keeping my "professional" E-mail account with the custom domain separated from my casual accounts. For the Exchange stuff, it gets a dedicated TouchDown app. For my "secure" E-mail account (one which is only used for private communication), it gets its own K-9 app. Everything else goes on the stock app.

      Wait. So you are saying that you are SOL with Apple's "decent" built-in apps but, Androids's "meh" built-in apps are OK because you can replace them? You do know that Apple has an App Store, right?

    14. Re:Or buy an iPhone by mlts · · Score: 1

      It is a decent app, although the fact that it wouldn't allow one to move a document to another editor or app killed it for me. For a business with BYOD, that feature is useful (to keep work documents in one place), but for me, it didn't work out well, since I might want to stash a PDF E-mailed to me onto my local samba server without forwarding it to another account.

    15. Re:Or buy an iPhone by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      More importantly you can't replace Apple apps. No replacement home screens, keyboards, browser engines (all browsers are just crippled Safari wrappers), SMS messengers, personal assistants (Siri), text to speech voices, one touch dialers, market places or anything else that Apple considers to be duplicating functionality. I want the ability to duplicate functionality with something better or more suited to my needs.

      At least on Android you can always just hide the crapware away, disable it in the app manager and replace it with something from Play.

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    16. Re:Or buy an iPhone by gspec · · Score: 1

      Yeah, except the screen is not big enough for me, I cannot replace the battery, and I cannot add micro SD card..., but wait a minute Mr. Jobs said I don't need none of those. And I could go to an Apple store and let them do replace the batter for a fee. Or buy another iPhone, why would anyone want to keep a perfectly working 2-yr old smartphone? They are so outdated. Also could someone show me how to remove Passbook, Game Center Newsstand, Weather apps etc. from my iPhone? I don't think so. They might not be crapware, or they probably provide basic services as part of the OS, but they don't need to be Apps. And NO, grouping them together in one folder and put them on the last page is not a solution.

    17. Re:Or buy an iPhone by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      I'd be OK with an iPhone much as I hate Apple and the lack of flexibility and the control they exert over a device I own.

      Except...the features.

      There are too many features that Android has that generally make me more productive, that iPhones lack.

      Apple fanbois tend to dismiss widgets and homescreens and the ability to organize apps intelligently....but really, at just a small sampling, all those features makes me more productive, allow me to use my phone more efficiently and ultimately frees up more of my time.

      I wouldn't look at a phone that didn't have such functionality.

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    18. Re:Or buy an iPhone by locopuyo · · Score: 1

      Bow down. I am superior.

    19. Re:Or buy an iPhone by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 1

      It's an engineering tradeoff. You take away user's ability to change to custom keyboards and give them protection from a malicious, or even worse, well-intentioned 1 pixel high custom keyboard that effectively makes the keyboard disappear.

      There's this wonderful and probably highly embellished anecdote about mac creator Jef Raskin where he had this friend that ranted and raved about how wonderful it was to be able to skin his Windows installation anyway he wanted, and challenged Raskin to prove otherwise. Raskin proceeded to sit at the computer and make every skinnable element on the friend's Windows UI red. Windows, buttons, toolbars, etc. So effectively the guy had an entirely red monitor and could not see anything to change it back and had to reinstall his OS to get a functional computer again.

    20. Re:Or buy an iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of Apple's apps can't be replaced because there is a clause in the App Store about duplicating functionality. Try to replace the keyboard or the Springboard for example without a JB.

      Another example, have a background task that works identically to iCloud and moves data to a cloud storage provider while the user is doing other things. iCloud is the only cloud storage provider which can do data transfers in the background for more than a few minutes. Try that with Dropbox, and it gets killed fairly quickly by iOS.

    21. Re:Or buy an iPhone by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Most of the "crapware" seems to be either replacement apps or the like from the vendor or phone company, or commonly used stuff. Ie, HTC Sense is crapware to some people but vital to others (though it's mostly subsumed since Android updated to have similar features). Or AT&T wants to tie together it's messaging and tv and other stuff, which is no better or worse than Google doing the same, or Apple doing the same, or whatever, but still easily disabled. Then there's the REAL crapware, like automatically having Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, music players, etc. Some people think that stuff if vital though (seriously, twitter??).

      If you get rid of all the stuff that people think is crapware, you have nothing left. And this applies to iPhone as well.

    22. Re:Or buy an iPhone by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1

      There is a major difference. Most iPhone users don't give a flying fuck about rooting or modding our damn phones.

      True

      iOS is still pretty much the same old Mac in terms of user base.

      Very, very false.

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    23. Re:Or buy an iPhone by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1

      Apple's apps are decent.

      Maps?

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    24. Re:Or buy an iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a major difference. Most iPhone users don't give a flying fuck about rooting or modding our damn phones.

      Translation: Most iPhone users aren't technically savvy enough to change a hard drive, much less run dangerous commands on their devices. This is coming from an Apple Store Genius.

      Many of us have enough in our day to day lives with work computers, personal computers, friends and family's computers that the last thing we want to do is fuck around with the computers in our pockets.

      Translation: We play tech support to our family and friends because their stuff keeps breaking because we don't know how to fix it right to begin with. The technically savvy tend to fix things in a way to where family and friends stop breaking their stuff, and thus have more time to devote to personal projects.

      I will add that I unlock and root any Android devices my peers throw at me for free, and often install CM on it for them. In hundreds of phones, I've never once seen malware that wasn't pre-installed by the carrier. Considering Apple installs CarrierIQ on every iPhone, which you CAN'T remove and is known to report data back to the carrier (and thus government agencies), it seems the very worst malware DOES come pre-installed on EVERY phone. So much for iPhones being malware free, considering that 100% of them are leaking data with no way to fix it.

    25. Re:Or buy an iPhone by smash · · Score: 1

      Second best maps on iPhone? :D

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  7. The news is that the MSM realizes it by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not every article published with a date has to be news. Sometimes the news is just that the mainstream media have come to realize something that the geeks have known for months or years. In this case, the news is that the mainstream media has realized that 1. Android has preinstalled crapware, 2. this crapware has vulnerabilities, 3. this crapware can be disabled since 4.0 so as not to cause any damage, and 4. it's enough of a problem that the ad impressions are worth writing and editing a story about it.

  8. Does not disable device management software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We can still get on your phone and install whatever whoever whenever would like us to install ;-) Sure it's your phone..
    but what you do with it IS BELONG TO US.

  9. IT==Moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So disable or root. Except that the rooting is a bad idea for average person. And this was published in IT world! This is why anytime someone says IT (as opposed to CS or engineering), I think moron.

    1. Re:IT==Moron by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is why anytime someone says IT (as opposed to CS or engineering), I think moron.

      How funny - I get the same impression from people who think IT, CS, and engineering are interchangeable terms.

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  10. It's why I stick with Nexus devices by metrix007 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Stock Android. Nothing disabled, I can tether my phone at no charge, no crapware...

    Other phones may be faster, but not enough to justify the headache of crapware.

    It's the same reason I stick with Asus for laptops. Well built machines with minimal crapwear that are pretty easy to open up if you need to.

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    1. Re:It's why I stick with Nexus devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That depends on your definition of "crapware". In my opinion, Google's own apps are crapware, and those can't be removed without rooting the phone.

    2. Re:It's why I stick with Nexus devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good Idea... Until you start to realize that pretty wel everything you do is sent directly to the Chocolate Factory 'to improve their advertising outlet' i.e. your device.

    3. Re:It's why I stick with Nexus devices by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      Personally, I get a sort of satisfaction out of rooting my phone when samsung or whoever clearly doesn't want me to. Same with jailbreaking. After installing cyanogenmod on my samsung, and after jailbreaking, I really didn't do much with either. If I wasn't flipping the bird to someone telling me how to use my stuff, it became a lot more boring.

      It's nerdy and ineffective, I know.

    4. Re:It's why I stick with Nexus devices by swillden · · Score: 1

      Good Idea... Until you start to realize that pretty wel everything you do is sent directly to the Chocolate Factory 'to improve their advertising outlet' i.e. your device.

      Cite?

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    5. Re:It's why I stick with Nexus devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sure, but the nice thing about android is that you can root it. Hate vendor crapware - reclaim the disk space. Hate the google stuff too - well you can loose it if you really want to. Want to change the os itself? Go ahead, if you're a programmer (or have some on your payroll). It is both doable and legal. Some people have done so already, even. (cyanogenmod, ubuntu phone, and possibly others.)

      The freedom is there, if you're competent enough to use it. Or if someone else is, and releases an alternative. Not so with windows phone or iphone.

  11. smartphone hard disk space? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know RTFA will get me banned from /. but to quote:"Disabling the app, won't actually remove it from your system, which means it will take up hard disk space"

    1. Re:smartphone hard disk space? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I know it is unpopular 'round these parts, but SSDs are still referred to as "hard disks" among the unwashed masses. I don't even mind, because it's preferable to the days where you had to teach people that there were different kinds of memory.

      A better point might be: how the heck did this article get posted to Slashdot? Aren't we more of a custom ROM (also a misnomer) crowd than a "disable apps" crowd?

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    2. Re:smartphone hard disk space? by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      What else would you call an SSD? It's not an optical disc, USB drive, or floppy.

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    3. Re:smartphone hard disk space? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Flash drive?

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    4. Re:smartphone hard disk space? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Hmm... That'll work until the technology changes from Flash to something else. Perhaps it's time there was a generic term for persistent storage used to store files that isn't specific to the medium it's stored on.

      Maybe there already is one that's not coming to mind...

    5. Re:smartphone hard disk space? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Well, like I said, I'm comfortable saying "hard drive" because it lets me communicate adequately. I don't complain when people say to "dial" a phone number, either.

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    6. Re:smartphone hard disk space? by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      I think in the vernacular, 'flash drive' is already a synonym for 'USB drive' or 'thumb drive.'

      Of course, not all drives connected over USB are thumb-sized, either...

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    7. Re:smartphone hard disk space? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      If you want to be really nerdy, I think you'd just say "persistent storage". But I'm cool with "hard drive".

      By the way, remember how Palm kept everything in memory all the time, which is how they had such great performance on such spartan hardware? I think there might be some room for that on smartphones, which would further blur the line.

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    8. Re:smartphone hard disk space? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SSDs are not really "disks", (they are not round), but they are definitely hard, not floppy. So "hard drive" is ok for a ssd.

    9. Re:smartphone hard disk space? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      It's a stretch, but there you go!

      ("Hard" specifically refers to the platter, as opposed to "floppy" - which I always found funny as a technical term.)

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  12. Crapware on the website by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I bet there isn't as much crapware on the phone as there is on that fucking IT World website.

  13. But... but... but... it's teh 0p3n S00rze!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just rewrite the OS, bitches. Come on, show us the power of Open Source.

    1. Re:But... but... but... it's teh 0p3n S00rze!! by stewsters · · Score: 1
    2. Re:But... but... but... it's teh 0p3n S00rze!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just rewrite the OS, bitches. Come on, show us the power of Open Source.

      We have rewritten the OS. It's now called Cyanogenmod. :-D

    3. Re:But... but... but... it's teh 0p3n S00rze!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We have rewritten the OS. It's now called Cyanogenmod. :-D

      What code have you committed to Cyanogenmod?

    4. Re:But... but... but... it's teh 0p3n S00rze!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then just put it on your faggot phone and keep sucking that Linux dick, dick smoker.

  14. Re:All the crapware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dalvik not Java.

  15. Summary Is Broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Should have just posted a link to Cyanogenmod.

    1. Re:Summary Is Broken by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      This. Cyanogenmod and derivatives are probably the best way to get rid of crapware and get really in control of what is in your phone. And you can even install F-Droid on it as market replacement to have a fully open source android OS and apps.

    2. Re:Summary Is Broken by neminem · · Score: 1

      Or you can just flash GApps into it like a normal person. :p

  16. I appreciate this 'non-news' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some of us just got our new Android phone and don't know everything about it. Certainly was not expecting crapware on it. So we come to news sites like these for a heads-up. Thanks from a newbi for the occasional article like these, we're not all techeads (yet).

  17. Crappy Android by tonywestonuk · · Score: 1

    "Like Windows, Android has built a dominant market share because any hardware manufacturer can license it."

    If that is the only reason that Android has for having a dominant market share, any old phone manufacturer can load it with crapware and sell it to the gullible?

    Nothing like competing on merit is there.

  18. A story about rooting a phone? On Sashdot? by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 4, Funny

    Seriously?????

    What's next? A story about the great wonders of alternate current?

    (including Edison vs Tesla flame wars, to boot)

    1. Re:A story about rooting a phone? On Sashdot? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      I had no idea there was an ALTERNATE current. I've just been using the default current that comes with my voltage.

    2. Re:A story about rooting a phone? On Sashdot? by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      actually, yes, the IT world is rediscovering the wonders of that alternate current, D.C. wish my employer's server room ran on it......

  19. License like Windows? by devent · · Score: 1

    Android is licensed under the Apache Software License, Version 2.0* and GNU GPL Version 2.0 (the Kernel), for everyone and for free. The license is telling you: here is the code, do what ever you like. To compare that with the restricted Windows EULA or license that you have to buy for at least 3$ per phone** is very deceptive.

    * Android Open Source Project License
    ** Windows Phone licensing cost revealed by ZTE: $23 – $30

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    1. Re:License like Windows? by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Google Experience - which is now the only way to get the current releases of things like the messages app - does have a licencing fee.

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    2. Re:License like Windows? by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      I assume you are talking about this in the summary:

      Like Windows, Android has built a dominant market share because any hardware manufacturer can license it — and as they did with Windows, those manufacturers are loading up Android devices with their own proprietary crapware.

      I don't think the cost of the license is relative in this instance. The point the author was trying to make is that the handset manufacturers are allowed to make changes to the OS that makes their crapware uninstallable just like they can on Windows phone.

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    3. Re:License like Windows? by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      replace relative with relevant. Auto-type was a bad guesser.

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  20. Samsung does lock bootloaders, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...now there's Hashcode's SafeStrap and it's available for those locked Verizon and ATT Samsung Galaxy S4s. SafeStrap is very cool in that it allows you to have multiple roms on your phone and choose which one to boot at startup time. Search the XDA Developers forums for more info on SafeStrap.

  21. S4 by inkrypted · · Score: 1

    This is what annoyed me about the Samsung Galaxy S4 all the cool features only seem to work with their crapware like the Air View in browser (very original name Samsung) but not in Dolphin. I am so glad I root my phones and run custom roms and kernels on them. If a company had a my phone my way plan I would so be a customer.

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    1. Re:S4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here, I came from a Galaxy phone, so I had no idea they installed so much shit. I had less than 4GB free on my phone until I rooted it and installed Cyanogenmod which left me with over 10GG free.

      Even had to root and flash my girlfriend's Note 2. Aside from all the crap, Samsung's e-mail client is buggy as shit and you can't uninstall that either. Fuck you Samsung for making it impossible to run the stock rom because all your apps are installed a system applications.

      It's sad that they do this because it just makes their devices look like shit. It's the same with new PCs, people complain about how slow they are because they have so much crap installed and running on boot. The manufacturers don't seem to give a shit though, why sell someone something that actually runs well? It's clearly far better to install hundred of apps no one will ever use.

  22. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it really this bad? I recently got a Q10. Turned it on. Used it. All the built in apps were just fine and I don't know of any major security holes. I didn't realize Android had gone the windows PC route. Sad, really. I guess it comes with there being so many more apps in the Android app market, phone manufacturers feel compelled to put extra crap on just to prove the major feature Android has over competitors.

    1. Re:Really? by neminem · · Score: 1

      "Android" hasn't, any more than "Windows" has. It's up to the individual retailer (of the phone or of the PC). My first phone had hardly any crapware; my second phone was chock full of it. Oddly enough, both phones were from Samsung, just different phones.

      And it's not to prove anything in either case - it's completely to make them money by bundling crap you don't want. The only difference is, you can remove it off your PC generally just by uninstalling it the normal way - while you probably need to root your phone to get rid of most of the crapware from it.

  23. There is no android... by Maltheus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...there is only cyanogenmod. What is this crapware you speak of?

    1. Re:There is no android... by PReDiToR · · Score: 1

      Looking through my S2 with 10.2 nightly on it:
      Live wallpapers
      CM Account
      Daydreams
      cLock
      CM Wallpapers
      DSP Manager
      Dev tools
      Face Unlock
      Photo Screensaver


      Some of these programs I use daily yet to others they may be considered crapware.

      I enjoy being a regular user of CM. I have it on several devices and try to foist it on other people. This post was just to answer your obviously humorous question, which didn't pass as far over my head as you may suspect.

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    2. Re:There is no android... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do consider most of those as "crapware".

      Life Wallpapers -- belongs to Android so it can stay there, even it takes few megabytes but they belongs to Android.
      CM Account -- One of the first things I really started to hate. I don't want any damn new account anywhere else!
      Daydreams -- belongs to Android so they can stay, could be nice if they would be optional
      cLock -- WTF? Serioysly?
      CM Wallpapers -- Pure crapware, terrible ones only promoting CM logo.
      DSP Manager -- No real use for 99% of cases when it comes to music. Could be added as separated loaded if some people wants to distort their sounds.
      Dev tools -- Seriously, how about offering them as external app/flashable zip what only devs needs to install?
      Face Unlock -- Belongs to Android so it can stay there, it is good on many devices what just have good front camera.
      Photo Screensaver -- For that I don't even know belongs it to Android or not. If it does, keep it. If its CM own thing, throw away from pre-install.

      I just finds CM to become a one "crapware" deliver with their Focus, Apollo and other things. Please focus to Android AOSP more, don't try to tweak and adjust Android settings and Linux operating system itself as most your tweaks just eats more battery dramatically and performance doesn't improve as much as usually (this based 5 device from 2 handset manufacturers from low to high end) Stock Android is better but its "crapware" is terrible and themes/styles are even more terrible experience.

  24. CyanogenMod and Custom Firmware by WoodburyMan · · Score: 2

    For this reason and this reason alone is why I will never use a stock-carrier and manufactorer bloated ROM on a Android phone. My Galaxy S4 from AT&T had SO MUCH junk bundled. Even the default Dialer/Contacts app was replaced with this AT&T junk that forced and bugged you to make a account to backup your contacts to AT&T that would cause a 15-20 second lag whenever I opened the contacts app. Add to it the number of bundled AT&T apps and Google Apps that are bundled that I could not remove (Only Disable, and even then they would magically reenable themselves). Even rooting and removing them in some cases were impossible. So that's when I got into Custom Roms. I absolutely love CyanogenMod. I have had it on my phone since a little over a week after owning it with CyanogenMod 10.1 (Android 4.2) and currently running a custom build of CM10.2 (Android 4.3.1) nightly builds. Phone is SO MUCH faster without bloatware running in the background. And I can pick and choose every app I want. The only downfall is the stock Camera app doesn't work as well as the stock Samsung camera. For which I dual boot my phone with a stock-Samsung based ROM that has all carrier and Samsung crap removed and use it just for taking photos. And I will be running Android 4.4 (CM11) nightly builds as soon as they are released. The current holdup is a updated camera binary blob thats compatible with Android 4.4 as well as 4.4 Compatible releases from Qualcom to make it work. (Which either will will be working fine once the Google Edition Galaxy S4 Android 4.4 firmware image is released, bits can be taken from that to finish it).

    1. Re:CyanogenMod and Custom Firmware by mlts · · Score: 1

      I will use the stock ROM to check that all the phone's features (camera, bluetooth, Wi-Fi, etc.) work. Then, the phone gets loaded with a new ROM, either CM, or if not, I'll see about a "stock" ROM sans the junk. Usually I go through a few ROMs as people get used to the device and write nifty stuff.

  25. Re:All the crapware? by Zeroko · · Score: 1

    Oh, no! Daleks are even worse!

  26. How about when it's not in that list? by rebelwarlock · · Score: 1

    I got my phone from my provider (Sony Xperia something or other, if it matters), and it has garbage in my apps that doesn't even show up in the setup list.

  27. crapware where? by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 1

    Not so much an issue with stock Android phones, and that's all I plan to ever own, unless I root a phone.

  28. Re:Or don't buy a phone at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What kind of retarded person must you be to think that's not flamebait?

    80% of the world's cell phone is running on Android right now as we speak. Yes, "around here" is modding and such but even the most popular mod (Cyanogen) only has several million downloads compared to the billions of Android devices out there. The average user doesn't give a damn about modding, and that's not exclusive to any particular phone or platform. I suspect "around here", a lot of iusers have jb'd their devices and could make the same proclamation the OP did (it'd still be totally wrong, but I could say it as truth)

    Unless, of course, you're saying that 80% of the world is "super-smart" people are capable of modding their phones? If you say yes, then SWB must be giving you a blowob to back him up (or you're the same account)

    Add to the "oh, I can't uninstall but I can move it somewhere out of the way"... well, so can every other phone out there, Android included? Heck, Android's two better - they're hidden in the app drawer and not on your homescreen - which most people don't use on a day-to-day basis. You can also disable the app so it doesn't even show up there if you're so inclined.

  29. Or just buy a reference one ... by YoungManKlaus · · Score: 1

    Nexus 4tw!

  30. What's the emticon for smugness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iOS doesn't have this problem. Why is it your OS chose to cower underneath the feet of the phone company?

    ( yes I'm baiting, why do you ask? )

    1. Re:What's the emticon for smugness? by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      instead, the fuckers at apple require your credit card number to have an apple store account so you can get updates to your phone and computer

    2. Re:What's the emticon for smugness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      instead, the fuckers at apple require your credit card number to have an apple store account so you can get updates to your phone and computer

      You do realize you can get an itunes account without a credit card, right?
      It's not exactly hidden either... there's an icon for "I don't want to use a credit card"
      that you click on. ( literally it says "none", but that's not the point )

      http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2534

  31. cLock by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

    cLock -- WTF? Serioysly?

    I'm not arguing, but for such a small app, Clock seems to really piss people off and I've always wondered why. Is it too simple, or complicated, or invasive, or clumsy? What is it doing wrong or not doing? What's a good replacement for it?

  32. Android = Malware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting down to basics, that's it.

  33. Missing Crapware on Android Tablet - Outlook Sync by billstewart · · Score: 1

    I've got an older HTC Android phone with lots of crapware, and a Coby Android Ice Cream Sandwich tablet with almost none. The HTC phone includes one really important feature that's not included in the extremely vanilla Coby, which is syncing the calendar and contacts with MS Outlook over USB. There are some non-free apps that claim to be able to sync the calendar (haven't tried them), and a couple of freewares (one couldn't connect successfully; the other is a "limited to 20 events" demo that worked very well once.)

    Yes, I can sync my tablet calendar with Google Calendar and theoretically sync my work calendar with Google Calendar also. But I don't want Google messing with all my data and metadata, and I don't think work really wants me to sync calendar entries titled "Name of Secret Program" with "SecretProgram.ppt" and "SecretProgramRequirements.doc" attachments. I just want to export an iCal calendar and have Android's calendar app import it.

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  34. It's not just security by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    1) The installed crapware is on main storage. That means you have less room for the apps and data you really want.

    2) The crapware running in the background chews up CPU cycles and RAM, slowing down the programs you really want to run.

    3) The crapware running in the background uses power, so you can't go a s long on one charge.

    4) Syncing with Google+Facebook and that cute weather app that displays the weather and forecast at your location consumes data; and crapware updates require a whole bunch of data. This can use up a significant chunk of your monthly data quota. And woe unto you if you're roaming outside your carrier's territory, or even worse overseas, when your crapware decides to update. This is the root cause of all those horror stories of people who took along their phones on vacation for-emergency-use-only. They don't make or receive a single call or message, but have a thousand dollar roaming fee when they get home.

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  35. thought that was Cyanonmods job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    flash it

  36. Android 4? by gravis777 · · Score: 1

    So you can only do this if you have Android 4 or newer? That doesn't help users on prepaid networks that have never recieved OTA updates to their devices, and my Galaxy model does NOT have a Cyanogenmod build, and rooting the device would kill support for some of my apps.

    I would love to get rid of some of the MetroPCS crapware - that is killing my device worse than anything else.

    If anyone can find a way to disable crapware on 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3 without rooting, please let me know!

  37. Google Nexus 4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's why I bought a Google Nexus 4 directly from the Google Play store.
    Does Google track your information? Sure, but they do so without installing crapware on
    the phone.