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Stephen Elop Would Pull a Nokia On Microsoft

Nerval's Lobster writes "A new Bloomberg report suggests that Stephen Elop, who's apparently on the short list of candidates to replace Steve Ballmer as Microsoft's CEO, would eliminate company projects such as Xbox and Bing while focusing resources on Office. Before he left Microsoft to join Nokia, Elop headed Microsoft's Business Division, so it's no surprise he'd want to focus on Office and the company's other, highly profitable enterprise software. But as head of Nokia, Elop made similarly bold strategic realignments that, while they probably looked good on paper, didn't quite work out. Specifically, Elop decided to abandon Nokia's popular homegrown operating systems, including Symbian, in favor of Microsoft's Windows Phone. That caused Nokia's share of the overall mobile-device market to dive into the single digits. At the time, Elop insisted he made the decision because Symbian and its ilk were incapable of competing in the broader market against Android and iOS; revelations by the Finnish media over the past few months, however, suggest that he'd been offered a generous cash incentive for selling off the company, which gives his 'strategic realignment' (which everyone knew would initially collapse Nokia's market-share, as its product pipeline emptied out) a whiff of self-interest. So while it's likely that a Microsoft run by Elop would make some decisive moves, his previous attempt at game-changing quickly transformed Nokia from a communications powerhouse into a second-tier competitor and (eventually) a Microsoft subsidiary. And by eliminating Bing and Xbox, Microsoft would be giving up completely on the search and gaming markets in favor of becoming more of an enterprise-centric company—something that could please analysts mostly interested in the company's bottom line, but basically an admission of defeat in the consumer realm."

292 comments

  1. All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes! Let's watch him do to Microsoft what he did to Nokia!

    But, that said, maybe a breakup and spin-off of non-core divisions is exactly what Microsoft needs. This whole 'chasing Apple/Sony/{$newTechMarket}' thing is slowly killing them.

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    1. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by mjwalshe · · Score: 2

      Which is why Mulaly should be the one to get the job not a failure from Nokia

    2. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I really like Xbox...you can't do everything, but their direction right now is better than Sony's, when you look at the general home person, not just the gamer. I can't wait to get an xbox one and play with the kids.

      That's nice, but nobody's suggesting xbox should cease to exist or follow a completely different direction, they're just suggesting that Microsoft could sell it off as a separate business.Your liking or not liking xbox has nothing to do with whether it makes sense for Microsoft as a business to hold onto that part of their business.

    3. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's nice, but nobody's suggesting xbox should cease to exist or follow a completely different direction, they're just suggesting that Microsoft could sell it off as a separate business.

      Who'd buy a company that's lost money over its entire existence and is only making operating profit on old products that it's about to replace?

    4. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea is to sell it off, not kill it ... it can be a perfectly good and profitable business and still not be well suited to be part of Microsoft.

    5. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I think he did a fairly good job at Nokia.
      Nokia is still alive, they are not a big player but they have not gone under.

    6. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Sir_Sri · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Especially when your 3 biggest competitors would suddenly be two companies long established in the console market (Sony and Nintendo), who both have significant revenue they can operate with, and your other competitor is the guy you just bought the division from - Microsoft, and Windows, who ultimately control most of the underlying technology you rely on.

      Unless sony or Nintendo wanted to buy it no one with much sense would want to buy the Xbox division. I can't really see Sony or Nintendo wanting it other than to shut it down.

    7. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

      Come on, you know better than that. It's pretty clear Microsoft will pick some dark-horse candidate with little to no experience to help them collapse the company in the most dramatic fashion possible.

    8. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by crunchygranola · · Score: 4, Informative

      Who'd buy a company that's lost money over its entire existence and is only making operating profit on old products that it's about to replace?

      Someone who believes that they could manage that line of business profitably.

      Profitable business lines sell at a premium. Money losing ones sell at a discount. Lots of entrepreneurial individuals and businesses buy money losing businesses at a discount and turn them around.

      Do you believe Microsoft did and is doing the best of all possible strategies and executions with the XBox, and that no one could do better? A buyer would bet that the answer to that is "no".

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    9. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      there's no realistic buyer for xbox.

      ironical thing in this prediction of course is that he would kill off nokia(as ms subsidiary) as well!

      and then he would focus on the cloud and sell ms as a cloud office company - to oracle!

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    10. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Pope · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes! Let's watch him do to Microsoft what he did to Nokia!

      Go in as a mole do ensure that it got taken over by Microsoft? Recursive takeover!

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    11. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but Microsoft does not have to pay patent fees to itself. Plus, once it is sold off, each Xbox will need to buy a copy of Windows Xbox or whatever they call it to run on the hardware. Another company would have a huge negative against them even starting off. Perhaps Steam would buy it and put their Linux Steam box on there instead. Already have the hardware in the works, now they would have the branding to go along with it. My opinion is doing that would actually hurt their image. I am much more excited about the Steam Box than I am about the next Xbox.

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    12. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by P-niiice · · Score: 1

      I wish Sega would buy it and run it well. Stay away from the rehash strategy that works so well for Nintendo and focus on new IP, getting 3rd party, and enough/not too many rehashes to keep it fresh. But sadly, I don't think Sega could pull it off in a million centuries.

    13. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      You're assuming license agreements and the like wouldn't go along with the purchase.

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    14. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      Well, that is true. They could do that. I wouldn't imagine that would go any further that the one generation though. The next one to come out, Xbox 4, would need an updated OS, and MS isn't likely to do that for free. Plus, they would be in the business of selling Windows and Office and not much else. It seems strange that they would not want to milk those for all they could.

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    15. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by snadrus · · Score: 1

      It's mostly Windows. If I bought that, it would be to sell a compatible Windows competitor.

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    16. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy Xbox division and turn the next device into a SteamBox with a separately downloadable modified Wine for backward compatibility.

    17. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First, your sed input string syntax is bogus.

      Thank God I wasn't referencing sed then, huh? ;)

      (notice that I wasn't replacing anything, but pointing out differing competitors).

      But more importantly, this has been Microsoft's business strategy since not long after it encorporated: "Extend, Embrace, Extinguish." It isn't killing them in the long term, and analysts only ever look at the short term. I shouldn't have to explain the problem of short term thinking.

      The problem isn't that Microsoft is moving to a new market, but that they keep jumping out into a plethora of different markets with little rhyme or reason - oftentimes it appears that they're just doing it in case something takes off. Call it shotgun-strategy.

      Look at it this way: Buying into the games console market, shovelling zillions of bucks into it, and almost 12 years later not seeing anything close to an ROI? I can understand the charge of "short-term thinking" if the time frame were less than two years, but a decade + is a friggin' eternity in the tech world.

      Meanwhile, we have Microsoft casting expensive nets into the worlds of mobile (both tablets and phones), games, television, music, enterprise servers, cloud services, web search, and a whole pile of other directions that make no damned sense. Their overall strategy is moving in as many directions as they can perceive - often to the detriment of their core businesses (see also Metro/Modern, the gawdawful ribbon interface, etc.)

      Long story short, there is a big difference in moving into new markets to strengthen (or even transform) your core businesses, and simply throwing everything you can at the wall to find out what sticks - even when it makes no fiscal or branding sense.

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    18. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by realityimpaired · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Someone who believes that they could manage that line of business profitably.

      If they moved more towards interoperability with Windows as a platform, then they'd be much more profitable, IMO. Steam's heading in that direction with Steambox -- you can buy a game on Steam and it'll play on both your PC and your Steambox, and you can stream/play games from your PC on the TV screen through Steambox's streaming functionality.

      If XBox had binary compatibility with Windows, and the ability to play Windows games on your console (through streaming as Steam's doing, or directly), it'd make the platform much more saleable. They really dropped the ball, not integrating it more heavily into the Windows environment when they had the chance.

    19. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! Let's watch him do to Microsoft what he did to Nokia!

      Go in as a mole do ensure that it got taken over by Microsoft? Recursive takeover!

      Sell off the xbox division so the xbox division can buy Microsoft!

    20. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 1

      Sort of like HP outsider Carly Fiorina winning over internal candidate Ann Livermore? The question is, which one is Elop here?

    21. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Quirkz · · Score: 2

      I for one welcome our Microsoft-destroying overlords.

    22. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by GameMaster · · Score: 1

      Bates, Bates, it rhymes with Gates...

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    23. Re: All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no technology in the hardware. And the software is Microsoft Microsoft Microsoft. I buyer would need more than an OS. Slashdots hate in Microsoft is making these article discussion irrelevant.

    24. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Moving from "undisputed market leader" to "near bankrupt also-ran" is no good job.

    25. Re: All in favor of Elop getting the job? by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      True. The only real value in the Xbox to a third party would be the name, and that's questionable.

      Everything else is so reliant on Microsoft that they'd effectively be a subsidiary unless they dumped the software and built something new.

    26. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by cybrthng · · Score: 1

      Sony isn't doing too hot in Revenue and their stock went up over rumors of splitting / spinning off as well.

      Microsoft on the other hand makes exponentially more revenue and the XBox is part of their 3 screen initiative. The largest share holders of MS aren't going to allow a complete outright sale of Xbox, but maybe it could be innovative being less tied to MS corporate.

    27. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the NSA

    28. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Lots of entrepreneurial individuals and businesses buy money losing businesses at a discount and turn them around.

      Sounds dangerous, potentially getting in the way of stampeding hordes of asset strippers

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    29. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Dracos · · Score: 1

      None of the names I've seen on the shortlist should get the job. MS rose to power with a technologist (Gates, FWIW) at the helm, but under an accountant (Ballmer) has mostly moved forward on intertia that Gates created. If the MS Board wants to see the company get back on track, they need to install another technologist... ideally someone with credibility to satisfy business customers, and a likeable personality that end-user consumers (and developers) can identify with favorably. There are probably perople who better fit that description, but Ray Ozzie comes to my mind... too bad everyone as MS thoroughly pissed him off.

      That being said, Elop can't strictly pull a Nokia on Microsoft... he was a Trojan Horse sent by MS to dismantle Nokia. Who would be Odysseus in this new scenario?

    30. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by multi+io · · Score: 1

      Yes! Let's watch him do to Microsoft what he did to Nokia!

      He did what he did to Nokia because he was a trojan horse there. As CEO of MS, he would be his his true self, not a trojan horse, so there's nothing to suggest that he would do similar things there as he did at Nokia.

    31. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by mbkennel · · Score: 2


      |Who'd buy a company that's lost money over its entire existence and is only making operating profit on old products that it's about to replace?

      Somebody who doesn't hire Microsoft middle managers to run things and finds the existing assets sufficiently valuable at the purchase price.

      BTW: Elop is a terrible choice: Ballmer's ego and blindness, without Ballmer's brains.

      Ray Ozzie---the one visionary Ballmer forced out----is a good alternative. Anybody who was successful in rising through Microsoft's corporate culture (e.g. Elop) is not the answer---because destroying that and remaking it again differently is the key.

    32. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's clear this is all nonsense. Xbox is only really valuable to Microsoft. And it is valuable to Microsoft. You can tell this was written by someone without a clue by this quote:

      That caused Nokia's share of the overall mobile-device market to dive into the single digits.

      Abandoning symbian did not destroy Nokia. Just ask Blackberry what it's like to compete with iOS and Android. Blackberry even went so far as to make their phones essentially an Android phone but with extra features and they still bombed. The Symbian implosion would have been as brutal and swift as the black berry implosion. The only thing keeping Windows Phone a viable third candidate is a giant pile of cash and determination on Microsoft's part. It'll probably pay off but Nokia had nowhere near the funds to survive a fight like that.

      Everything I've heard from my friends in the phone space is that hardware manufacturers are all feeling under siege. Samsung has managed to grab some market share but they don't expect them to hold on very long with the waves of Chinese clones and companies like MediaTek who are getting very very fast at implementing the latest ARM, Broadcom and Imagination IP significantly faster than Samsung etc.

      Nokia picked the right approach. They completely cornered the Windows Phone market. Look at Motorola. They are owned by Google and they can't break into the Android market with great hardware and software. Why? Because of people who tell me they have a "Galaxy" phone. I heard the BBC say the number two phone platforms were Apple and Galaxy--with Windows Phone in third place. They didn't even call it Android. Lumia might be doing only so-so in the US but they're doing very well overseas. Largely because the US is a subsidized phone market. But even that is changing.

      Nokia controls almost the entire Windows Phone market. When Microsoft's giant dump trucks of cash start translating into market share the Lumia line was well positioned to take the vast majority of the sales.

      People who think Nokia died because they went Windows Phone are ignoring the plight of Motorola, LG, Sony and HTC all of whom embraced android and are doing poorly in the US.

    33. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      If XBox had binary compatibility with Windows, and the ability to play Windows games on your console (through streaming as Steam's doing, or directly), it'd make the platform much more saleable. They really dropped the ball, not integrating it more heavily into the Windows environment when they had the chance.

      I believe that's what they're doing with the WinRT apps.

    34. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by spacepimp · · Score: 2

      The competition in different business silo's was fierce, and central to their design. That is why integration with things such as the xbox was so hobbled.

    35. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aye. Can't wait his insights. Bet when he will move from MS helm, market will have a similar reaction to Balmer's retirement announcement.

    36. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Oh please let MS hire Carly!!!!! She can drive yet another company into the ground!!!!

      First Lucent, then HP, and next MS???

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    37. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Tom · · Score: 1

      True, but you would be a daring fool to buy the Xbox division standalone.

      The problem is that it relies intimately on Windows as its core OS. If you are the owner of just Xbox, you don't control a core part of your technology, and are at the mercy of Microsoft. Quick: How many companies who found themselves at the mercy of Microsoft survived?

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    38. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by gameboyhippo · · Score: 1

      Could you imagine how awkward it would be for SEGA to buy XBox? Sonic in Smash Bros.? Sonic and Mario at the Olympics? What's Nintendo to do at that point?

      I would prefer for it to become a wholly owned subsidiary of Nintendo. They could be able to have a console catered to Western bro-gamers and a console that caters to the rest of us. They could also leverage some of the technology. Live on Wii U anyone?

    39. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Who'd buy a company that's lost money over its entire existence and is only making operating profit on old products that it's about to replace?

      It depends on how much they had to pay for it. At this point the division will print money.

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    40. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Even Microsoft can see the PC going away, from the average household anyway. There's no plan to replace the PC-as-terminal or the PC-as-workstation any time soon. They want gamers to buy their console, and they want everyone to buy their phone (heh heh) and they want people to buy their tablets and so on.

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    41. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by sjames · · Score: 1

      They could always port the shell to Linux or BSD and go that direction. Android has shown that the same kernel and base OS can serve two very different user environments.

      MS could do the same with Windows (I'm guessing they'd choose BSD).

    42. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      1. Ballmer was a salesman, not an accountant. If you want an accountant to run the company, it'll be that guy who used to be at Wallmart. Turner IIRC.

      2. Mullaly is an engineer, only one who can probably write code and can definitely do engineering (unlike old Billy).

      3. Elop could probably do exactly that, only in the name of cutting off the crap, money-pit divisions and getting a large boost to the MS shareprice (hey, he'll have loads of share options remember) which would be much more attractive to other shareholders too.

    43. Re: All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Sony is selling off buildings to meet their bills ...
      And nintendos new console is a mega flop ....

    44. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1

      Nokia went from undisputed market leader to zero on June 29th 2007 Along with everybody else who made phones. They've done very well to survive in any form, let alone one that is now showing pretty good signs of market growth.

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    45. Re: All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Narcocide · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The only people I ever hear complaining about the Wii-U are anonymous cowards who claim they won't buy one because the press says its a flop, and constantly parrot that its a flop, but wouldn't have bought one to begin with. The built-in community features on the Wii-U, where users are allowed to share in-game experiences and fan art and coordinate multi-player events and do video chat, etc, however tell an entirely different story of nearly 100% buyer satisfaction. So, just FYI don't believe everything you hear on the street. When the Wii came out initially, all the same parties were parroting that it was a huge flop too. The fact the Wii-U hasn't met the same sales figures hardly constitutes a "flop." Sounds more like wishful thinking from Sony and Microsoft shareholders to me, honestly.

    46. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by dbIII · · Score: 2

      Bad idea. After doing that she'd get a tilt at politics again and make Sarah Palin look like a genius in comparison.

    47. Re: All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What's this ? More cries of "pc is dying"? Give me a break. You people have been saying this for years. Just cause consoles are easier to use doesn't mean they're better. That fact that users modded a game called "just cause 2" to have multiplayer, in the THOUSANDS in the same world, speaks highly of the pc never dying. Enjoy your console cuffs.

    48. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem is that WinRT is a closed platform that MS gets a cut of all software sold on. Many software houses know how that ends, with them wanting a cut of all subscriptions and everything else, thanks to Apple. Steam will allow you to install anything you want, just like you currently can on a (non-Metro interface) Windows PC. That Metro interface if why Valve is creating SteamBox; they know how this plays out as well, and doesn't want to hand Microsoft 30% of their income.

    49. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Stormwatch · · Score: 5, Informative

      Let me tell you why that's bullshit.

      Until late 2010, Nokia's market share was around 70% -- uncontested leader, twice the size of Apple, four times bigger than Samsung, and consistently, immensely profitable. They had the largest ecosystem and the top-selling app store. Carriers and retailers loved Nokia. Customer fidelity was near absolute. Market analysts expected Nokia to remain the leader for years. Maybe Symbian was getting a bit long in the tooth, but MeeGo was on the way.

      After the "burning platforms" and the move to Winblows Phoney, however... their market share collapsed overnight. Users, carriers, and retailers fully rejected it. While the press was drooling over the first MeeGo phone, they gave it a very limited launch and announced that no more would be made. Ratings companies now rank Nokia stock as junk.

      You call this "a fairly good job"? Well, sure, taking in account that this was Elop's true goal all along: to sabotage Nokia, make its stock near worthless so that Microsoft could buy the whole damn thing. He achieved what he meant to, and killed Nokia while doing so.

    50. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 2

      The PC is dying. Just like it was last year, the year before, in 2004, 2001, 1995...

    51. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by chrismcb · · Score: 2

      But, that said, maybe a breakup and spin-off of non-core divisions is exactly what Microsoft needs. This whole 'chasing Apple/Sony/{$newTechMarket}' thing is slowly killing them.

      When you say "slowly killing them" do you mean they are making more money than they've ever made before, and that the annual profits continue to grow from year to year? Then, uhm, yeah...

    52. Re: All in favor of Elop getting the job? by spongman · · Score: 1

      Scottgu. My vote...

    53. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1
      Quoting Ahonen is not a valid response. And:

      Ratings companies now rank Nokia stock as junk.

      Citations please.

      I made no comment about Elop, "Burning Platforms" or buyout strategies/conspiracy theories. I was pointing out that Nokia were the undisputed market leader in buggy whips. iPhone, despite being nowhere near as good a phone as the best Nokias until at least the 3G version, was what people now wanted, and contnue to want.

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    54. Re: All in favor of Elop getting the job? by drsquare · · Score: 2

      That the Wii U is a flop is a matter of fact, not opinion. Just look at the sales figures, it's selling worse than the Gamecube.

    55. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Stormwatch · · Score: 3, Informative

      Citations please.

      Fitch downgrades Nokia rating
      Nokia Rating Cut Further Into Junk by S&P
      Nokia Cut Further Into Junk by Moody’s

      Things might have improved now that MS took over, but then again, they could be much better if they hadn't touched that shit in the first place.

      iPhone ... was what people now wanted, and continue to want.

      Yes, the iPhone brought smartphones to the mainstream - a new style of smartphones, even. Can't deny that. Yet you overestimate its "hook" on users: if everyone's so crazy about it, how come Android has surpassed it? I think there was room in the market for MeeGo, which, unlike WP, carriers actually intended to support.

    56. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 2
      I'm arguing against myself here, since I'm no iFan, but Android has overtaken Apple only because it is cheap and because Samsung have ploughed massive marketing budget into their offerings. iPhones are way beyond most of the world's buying power, they're almost unknown in India or Russia and most of China, but Androids can be had for one fifth of the price. Nokia's own super-successful Windows Phone 500 series are also handing Apple their ass and starting to worry Samsung too. I can't be bothered to google the facts but I'm pretty sure Apple still makes the most revenue from smartphone sales.

      As to the debt ratings, I misunderstood, you were quoting bond ratings, I ws thinking stock pricing (viewed as a hold/buy by most tipsters). The stock has recovered very well since the initial WP days (I invested my entire pension fund one week after getting my first Nokia Windows Phone, because it was clear, at least to me, that this was undervalued, and I was rewarded handsomely) But you have to consider that the ratings agencies are utterly discredited and clueless and they have no idea of the flow of technology. All that their ratings reflect is precicely the buggy whip picture I described. I would argue that Elop has managed to deploy a small parachute to slow the previously terminal descent Nokia were suffering.

      I'll come clean in that I am a fan of the WP phones, but I am more of a fan of Nokia's hardware (I had a 7190, the amazing 7650, a fairly boring business model whose number I forget, then the wonderful N95, which I kept right up until the iPhone 3G (first iPhone to support 3G). At that point, although the Nokia was still way better as a phone and a camera, the user experience of the iPhone was a new world. From then it was hideous landfill androids until the Nokia 800 and I've had Nokia Winphones ever since and love them. Currently on a Nokia 925.

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    57. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Your rose-tinted scenario is very different from the grim portrait I have seen elsewhere. Here's how Wikipedia put it:

      Nokia was the world's largest vendor of mobile phones from 1998 to 2012. However, over the past five years its market share declined as a result of the growing use of touchscreen smartphones from other vendors—principally the iPhone, by Apple, and devices running on Android, an operating system created by Google. The corporation's share price fell from a high of US$40 in late 2007 to under US$2 in mid-2012. In a bid to recover, Nokia announced a strategic partnership with Microsoft in February 2011, leading to the replacement of Symbian with Microsoft's Windows Phone operating system in all Nokia smartphones. Following the replacement of the Symbian system, Nokia's smartphone sales figures, which had previously increased, collapsed dramatically. From the beginning of 2011 until 2013, Nokia fell from its position as the world's largest smartphone vendor to assume the status of tenth largest.

      WP sure did Nokia a lot of good, you say...

    58. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1
      NO, that is NOT what I'm arguing!

      What I am saying that Nokia's collapse was not due to the adoption of WP, it was due to the fact the market changed and Nokia was not prepared. WP affected how it collapsed but it was not the reason why it collapsed.

      Nokia were left with a portfolio of products that still had sales momentum, but sales were declining and would continue to decline unless they released a viable competitor. Maybe Meego could have worked, we'll never know now, Ahonen aside, there are enough ex-Nokia voices saying that the whole internal management at Nokia was horribly broken and they were never going to produce a viable platform in time.

      The point is Elop couldn't do nothing. Choosing WP certainly brought on the decline much more rapidly than the lingering death Nokia would probably have suffered, but Nokia now has a modern portfolio of smartphone products that are increasing rapidly in popularity and their overall sales are second only to Samsung as shown by Table 3 here

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    59. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Stormwatch · · Score: 2

      All I read from those tables is that Nokia still sells a fuckton of featurephones, and WP sales are still tiny. Playing "what if" is complicated, but I still think they had a much better shot at success with MeeGo.

    60. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1

      Yep, and they don't make much money on them, nor on the low-priced WPs either, which are the ones that are padding out the numbers. There's a long way to go for them and who knows what will happen now they're part of Microsoft. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on MeeGo / WP, I'm very much a Linux person in most things but I've not seen much to like in any of the phone offerings so far. I'm kind of hopeful that Ubuntu can do something.

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    61. Re:All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! Let's watch him do to Microsoft what he did to Nokia!

      He managed to get Nokia sold off to Microsoft ... so, based on your logic - I'm wondering who is the buyer for Microsoft going to be?? ;) IBM?

    62. Re: All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      That the Wii U is a flop is a matter of fact, not opinion. Just look at the sales figures, it's selling worse than the Gamecube.

      [citation needed]

      My research suggests you're flat out lying.

      Nintendo's Wii U Sells Out in First Week in U.S. Stores

    63. Re: All in favor of Elop getting the job? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Way to link to an article with no text or evidence, just a headline. Way to prove your point. Also it's a Murdoch rag, way to be taken seriously.

    64. Re: All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      If you follow the link from google (search for "wii u sells out" or the like) it works and has full article text. WSJ must be doing something shady with the referrer header.

    65. Re: All in favor of Elop getting the job? by nomadic · · Score: 1

      I won't buy a Wii U because I don't really find Nintendo games appealing. Nintendo is now selling the console at a loss; you really don't think it's a flop? NINTENDO thinks it's a flop. Why don't you?

    66. Re: All in favor of Elop getting the job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The wii was a flop IMO. I know it sold well but after about 3 months time every wii failed from MLOI (massive lost of interest). The novelty of it wore off REALLY FAST. The reason why is because the system itself just sucked. One good game can only hold it up for so long. Great concept that was never really applied, kind of like the kinect 1.

  2. Wait. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So the plan is he'll gain stewardship of Microsoft and hand it over to... Microsoft?

    Seems a bit redundant

    Oh right we're going to pretend Elop wasn't an infiltrator sent to hasten the ripening of a patent laden company down on it's luck

    1. Re:Wait. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      November 8, 2013 13:05: Initial commit of article to repository.
      November 8, 2013 14:36: Quick fix; forgot to enclose article in if(assumptions["elopWasNotAMicrosoftInfiltrator"]) block. Article should now read properly.
      November 8, 2013 17:44: Realized that the if block will always return false in any sane environment, commented out entire article.
      November 9, 2013 09:22: Final commit: Accepted bribe from Microsoft's marketing department, will now delete article and replace with more profitable one.

    2. Re:Wait. What? by plopez · · Score: 1

      Maybe IBM will end up buying them, like how they ended up buying Lotus :)

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    3. Re:Wait. What? by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      IBM buys software companies to do to them what Elop did to Nokia, but unintentionally. Basically, they drain the money from them and ride them into the ground as long as the "no one ever got fired for buying IBM" crowd keeps throwing money at them.

  3. So sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Let me get my violin tuned up to play them some sorrowful music.

  4. He might. by marcello_dl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He sinked his own company once, he could do it again. But why? I mean, even slashdot had realized Elop was working for microsoft all along, whom would he work for now? Is google planning to buy microsoft? apple? the NSA?

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    1. Re:He might. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is google planning to buy microsoft? apple? the NSA?

      Yes, although not necessarily in that particular order.

    2. Re:He might. by turbidostato · · Score: 4, Funny

      " whom would he work for now? Is google planning to buy microsoft? apple? the NSA?"

      Yaaawwwn! I barf in your general direction for you lack of business acumen.

      SCO, dammit! it has been SCO from the beginning!

    3. Re:He might. by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Funny

      Speaking of which, I wonder if Darl McBride's resume is sitting on a desk at Microsoft?

      It would be funny, sad, and scary-as-frig all wrapped up into one.

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    4. Re:He might. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Elip would be working for those shareholders wishing to get BillG & SteveB out of the scene entirely. If it means some firesales and layoffs sobeit.

      These shareholders want all that stored up cash. Now. And they will kill the Golden Goose to get it. If MSFT is a viable entity afterwards, then ok. But 5-year outcome is just predicated on "give us our 'shareholder value'. Now."

    5. Re:He might. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
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  5. Haha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To "pull a Nokia on Microsoft" sounds like a fancy way of putting on a condom.

    1. Re:Haha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your mother helped me to pull a Nokia on my Microsoft.

  6. Please pick Elop.... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That moron completely destroyed Nokia, he will do the same to Microsoft.

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    1. Re:Please pick Elop.... by Quakeulf · · Score: 2

      I really like reading about these people who can just waltz into a company and run it into the ground and then jump on to the next venture as if nothing ever happened.

      I can do the same for a lot less money. Please pick me Microsoft, I am more economically beneficial! :3

    2. Re:Please pick Elop.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I really doubt you are competent enough to create that much loss that quickly. Elop is a professional, you can't compare with him.

    3. Re:Please pick Elop.... by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      I can do the same for a lot less money. Please pick me Microsoft, I am more economically beneficial! :3

      I've considered it, but even tens of millions of dollars wouldn't be enough to live with myself after forcing Windows on millions of poor, defenceless phone users.

    4. Re:Please pick Elop.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's basically what he did all his life. His CV reads like "joins a company, stock options mature, leaves or sells, joins company, repeat, rinse, wash...

    5. Re:Please pick Elop.... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you can take less than three years to:

      1) take over a huge multinational company with critical patents to the largest growth sector of the tech industry
      2) cut its market cap in half
      3) sell the board on an acquisition by the company that sent you

      then there's a CEO job waiting for you too.

      But ... cutting XBox? That would be worth a Sony CEO position...

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    6. Re:Please pick Elop.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd actually really honestly like to see this.

      I hate Microsoft and what they have become. They used to be such a good company overall, even if they were complete dicks. You gotta be a dick to win.
      Even Google were dicks to get to where they are now. Do no Evil? Bullshit, they used others content to even get to where they are now. Free for the majority of their life, at that. Sure, the webring world was terrible, but it can still work, in fact, webrings can work even more these days than yesterdecade.

      Microsoft had SO MANY chances to optimize their business and spin off in to discrete groups with their own focused budgets and allow competition between them.
      Did they do this? God no, they left their sub-standard operation to haphazardly use funds where and when they see fit, had barely any need to justify it and got horribly lazy. Employees literally took advantage of this lax attitude, especially in the Microsoft Research and Development side, holy crap the abuse there.
      Not only that, there was such a massive lack of any pushing force in so many areas.
      Lack of coherent vision, likewise, resulted in incompatible software, firmware, drivers and in some cases even hardware.
      And basically that was the reason X360s launch, year1, 2, 3 were a disaster because someone cheaped out horribly on the hardwares layout design and solders, which combined to create an oven capable of destroying said solders with very little effort. The first opening of the 360 made me laugh when I saw the internals design. Dear christ what were they thinking? That was like something done by an undergrad, shocking. Hopefully their next design will be by someone with a full brain. (on that note, the PS4s internals just upped there, that look so incredibly simple compared to PS3 and 360s. Incredibly more simple. Mark Cerny is either a turbo genius of the ages or they just learned a whole lot from PS3s minimization and optimization. Or both!)

      Another huge and missed opportunity from Microsoft, back in the days of the IE bundle scandal, they had the chance of being split up but likely bribed to ensure "their great export of a product can continue to bring in loads of dosh for the country", this could have worked in their favor, not to mention they could have created the first real application store on their website to allow OTHERS to be on it.
      They could make their own sub-companies and child companies "pay" to get on their application store so it looked like there was actual competition.
      They could have gotten away with that bundling nonsense easily if they did this.
      Nope, gotta be monolithic. Monoliths always fall and shatter to bits.

      And here we are now, all these years later. Their hardware sales have been hilariously abysmal, their software sales are embarrassingly bad for both newer versions of their OSes, with around half of people still on their last LAST OS.
      Developers feel they have been shafted by the design of Win7 and 8, 8 even more so.
      Users feel like they have been shafted, turned in to children and forced to obey in Win7 and incredibly more so with 8.
      Windows 8 is worse than, actually, you know those childrens toys that make noises with you press the BIG COLORFUL butans? THAT IS WIN8.
      It is insulting how terrible that OS actually is. And they have so many things hidden behind stupid menus and options, backwards things at that. Why the hell is shutdown hidden like that? Oh, right, "we want our 'boot' time to be instant, suck it Google your chromeOS is terrible!", but really what they have done is force hibernate on everyone, which while not that bad is not that good either, especially if it is an SSD, and especially as RAM increases. SSD and RAM defeat the need for hibernates advantages in speedy boots.
      Let's not start on the inconsistent interface design. Bloody hell every damn window is different, what the actual hell did they do? Did they seriously hire a bunch of school children to design that crap? WinXP windows looked fine, they ju

    7. Re:Please pick Elop.... by bfandreas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That moron completely destroyed Nokia, he will do the same to Microsoft.

      He didn't destroy Nokia. It was doomed before he showed up. They had slept through the smartphone revolution for quite some time before and spent most of the time infighting or directionlessly redoing the Meego/Maemo UI over and over again.
      He failed to turn the company around after the market had already been neatly divided between iThings and Androids.

      From a business point of view Microsoft had used the XBox to get a foothold "in the living room" and has sunk quite a lot of money into that and the competition is fierce. It might very well be that they should do just that.

      Whatever. I don't care either way.

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    8. Re:Please pick Elop.... by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      You call him a moron because you assume he was trying to make money for Nokia, when in fact he was trying to make money for himself. He is mega-rich, and you are too? I know I'm not. I look at these guys having life made in the shade and wonder sometimes, why I couldn't be so smart as to ignore scruples now and then. Then I would be able to afford a mansion in a place with a nice climate and fancy cars and all the accoutrements of mega-money.

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    9. Re:Please pick Elop.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You call him a moron because you assume he was trying to make money for Nokia, when in fact he was trying to make money for himself. He is mega-rich, and you are too? I know I'm not. I look at these guys having life made in the shade and wonder sometimes, why I couldn't be so smart as to ignore scruples now and then. Then I would be able to afford a mansion in a place with a nice climate and fancy cars and all the accoutrements of mega-money.

      And once you bought all those things you would no longer be mega-rich and would have to once again be working your ass off. The truly mega-rich don't show up in headlines because they don't waste their money on useless things (probably because they don't have to compensate for anything...).

    10. Re:Please pick Elop.... by sjames · · Score: 1

      He could have gone the Android direction. That wouldn't restore them to their glory days but since they always made/make decent hardware and had some cred in the Linux world, they could have done decently well.

    11. Re:Please pick Elop.... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Repeating the same "MS can do no wrong" fanboy bullshit over and over is not fooling anyone. The entire world saw that situation go from Nokias everywhere to a smoking crater on Elop's watch. Now the news is out about extra cash as well as the job at MS to go to, it's extremely obvious so you must have an incredibly low opinion of us all if you think such lies are going to convince us.
      I just do not understand these fanboys. It has to be a fanboy because you would expect a paid shill to write something more convincing.

    12. Re:Please pick Elop.... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      He needs the nice climate since if the latest allegations are true there could be an arrest warrant for him if he sets foot in Finland again.

    13. Re:Please pick Elop.... by Deathlizard · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I can't believe MS is even entertaining him as CEO. Their almost better putting Apotheker or Fiorina on the list.

      I swear to god Microsoft has been infected by some clinical, idocracy level of Stupid or Brain Eating Slugs, and this is coming from someone that has a long Slashdot history of Defending Microsoft on this site. In the past year they have managed to piss off just about every customer sector they have to the limit at a time when they cant afford to lose customers and are the most vulnerable in decades to losing said customers to alternatives. They need to stop screwing around and start listening to their customers and fix the issues they keep bringing up instead of "innovating" themselves into oblivion.

    14. Re:Please pick Elop.... by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      Yes, he could have gone Android. I still remember the discussion about that a couple of years ago. The rationale then was that that would turn Nokia from THE dominant market player into just another mobe manufacturer. That was when the sales figures of Android devices was going up and was predicted to rise even more at the cost of Nokia's share.

      The difference between Google developing Android and Nokia developing Maemo was that Google was really comitted to it whereas the infighting at Nokia around Maemo/Meego was legendary. Also Google was prepared to quickly go public with a crap first Android version while Nokia kept polishing, reworking and restructuring their new systems just to find a market that wouldn't sustain another mobe OS.

      I had an E61 in 2007 and I thought it was the bee's knees and fanboyishly shrugged off anybody who said it was dated since I could run ScummVM on it. In 2008/2009 I was seriously eying a N800 and was counting the moments until its release. One year later I had an Android phone with the same capabilities. Elop showed up at Nokia in 2010.

      In 2008 Maemo was designed with a single-touch gesture UI while world+dog was raving about "pinch to zoom". Hadn't they dragged their feet and rushed it out they could have competed with Android.

      The only thing I grant you lot was that jumping onto the Windows mobe train(well dog cart at most) was doomed. But Nokia was dying/dead long before Elop put his dick into it.

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    15. Re:Please pick Elop.... by sjames · · Score: 1

      Sure, it was dying when he got there. He had the opportunity to at least salvage something from it with Android, but he poisoned it to death instead with Windows.

      Sure, Android wouldn't have given them a unique OS but, as we have seen, there was room to customize it and they would still have their superior hardware.

      The hardware specs and design of their new winphones look pretty good if only they weren't running windows.

    16. Re:Please pick Elop.... by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      There I do agree. Windows never made anything better. Windows 7/7.5 Mobe had the air of exclusivity(because everybody already had abandoned it) so I guess that's what sold it to Nokia. Don't forget that Nokia's phone division thought themselves to be special and better than the rest. So going with the flow was really against corporate culture. They had their own reality distortion field just without the clever marketing.

      It's a crying shame because I heard good things about their latest crop.

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    17. Re:Please pick Elop.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Horseshit. Even AFTER Elop destroyed Nokia, I still love my N808 Symbian Belle smartphone.
      It kicks the shit out of the Lumia pretenders, its camera and lens are brilliant, it has 64Gb removeable SIM cards, plenty of software, and pumps out great sound.
      I don't give a crap for the millions of "apps" that I can't have on an Android or iDevice. I got all I need already.
      If Nokia had kept running with Symbian and Meego, the Windows phone would never have seen the light of day.
      If I were a Nokia shareholder, I'd be frothing at the mouth to sue the ass of Elop.
      But I can't believe even MS will bring him back as top-dog - who would trust him now?
      Even inside VPs could only expect disasters to follow him around.
      He'd walk into a conference room, and every exec in sight would break into uncontrollable sweats.
      MS will hire him , but giving him any kind of authority can only backfire.

    18. Re:Please pick Elop.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      "The rationale then was that that would turn Nokia from THE dominant market player into just another mobe manufacturer."

      That rationale was made by a moron. NOKIA Made and still makes the best hardware. Take even the flagship HTC ONE.. It's a piece of crap compared to the Nokia Flagship phone in quality and design. Problem is nobody will buy the Nokia because it has windows on it.

      Only a complete and utter idiot would have made the decision that using android would have been a "mee too". And that Moron is Elop.

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    19. Re:Please pick Elop.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      No I call him a MORON because he is a moron. He was not trying to make anyone money but himself. He cant manage his way out of a paper bag laying on it's side with big arrows pointing at the open end.

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  7. Yeah right by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Elop decided to abandon Nokia's popular homegrown operating systems, including Symbian, in favor of Microsoft's Windows Phone. That caused Nokia's share of the overall mobile-device market to dive into the single digits.

    Blackberry stuck with their own stuff, which was even relatively entrenched in the enterprise... a lot of good it did them.

    1. Re:Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Blackberry stuck with their own stuff,

      No they didn't. They bought in QNX as the basis of PlatBook and BB10.

    2. Re:Yeah right by feral-troll · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Elop decided to abandon Nokia's popular homegrown operating systems, including Symbian, in favor of Microsoft's Windows Phone. That caused Nokia's share of the overall mobile-device market to dive into the single digits.

      Blackberry stuck with their own stuff, which was even relatively entrenched in the enterprise... a lot of good it did them.

      The thing that killed off Blackberry was not the fact that they stuck with what they were good at. The problem was that they sat with their thumb up their ass for far too long and didn't improve the things they were good at. It might also have helped if they had tried really hard to become extremely good at new stuff. Microsoft, Apple and then Google, with it's Android OS starting doing everything Blackberry did, including push-mail which was one of the Blackberry killer features, but the competition was doing it better. By the time Blackberry finally got off it's ass and innovated it was too late. Once Android started taking off it became increasingly obvious that for any OS to compete with Android it needed to be able to run Android apps and Blackberry realized that too late. That's still true today, any upstart Mobile OS that's just hit the market and that wants to compete seriously with Android needs to be able to run Android apps seamlessly. You need a large volume of Apps for your upstart (Linux based?) Mobile OS to even be considered as an option by consumers and the place that has the biggest App collection is the steadily growing Android monoculture. You can also try to break into Apple's walled garden but I don't recommend it, I hear their lawyers have sharp claws and they bite.

    3. Re:Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought Blackberry abandoned its widely used operating system to use QNX.

    4. Re:Yeah right by fwarren · · Score: 1

      That is the problem. Old skool players that have to much of the market cant make the switch. There is to much money in the old product and never enough money in the "where the market will be in 5 years product" to be worth their while. Then in 5 years if they enter the market, they are wannabes without a good product for that market.

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    5. Re:Yeah right by X.25 · · Score: 1

      Blackberry stuck with their own stuff, which was even relatively entrenched in the enterprise... a lot of good it did them.

      This is the most retarded comparison you could think of.

      Nokia had excellent products and a very large and loyal 'user base'.

      Blackberry had nothing similar.

    6. Re:Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This, oh God this.

      Both BBY and Nokia had markets and their own OS/phones. One continued in-house development, and the other oursourced to MS. Both failed.

      People really badly want to blame Elop and Lazaridis and whoever else was on deck at those companies, and not without some justification. But blaming the failures is only half the story; the real issue is that Apple and Google were bigger, made better products, and won. There was no winning strategy for BBY and Nokia, except to adopt Android and become hardware-only companies.

    7. Re:Yeah right by plover · · Score: 1

      Nokia saw they were already on that path. And they knew making Android hardware simply won't be profitable when they are competing against the fully automated Shenzhen factories and their cheap labor. Nerval's crap above perpetuates the lie that abandoning their own OS is what killed them, when it was the combination of the market, their own complacency, and their incompetence at delivering a better Meego-based product that did them in.

      If Nokia was ever to beat Apple, it would have happened in 2006. And it didn't. That's when they failed, not in 2011, and not when they sold out to Microsoft. Those were simply the visible death-throes of a vanquished fighter.

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    8. Re:Yeah right by hodet · · Score: 1

      and by sat on their ass you mean the co-ceo was more engaged in trying to bring NHL hockey to Hamilton then running his company.

    9. Re:Yeah right by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      There was no winning strategy for BBY and Nokia, except to adopt Android and become hardware-only companies.

      That's better than losing and dying.

      Both these companies basically "bet the company" on a Hail Mary move of refusing Android and trying to do something different, when it was clear that iOS and Android were taking over everything in the mobile space. The only way to survive is to lower your expectations and join the crowd and hope to survive. Nokia was already known for excellent hardware, and had a strong brand name; they could have adopted Android and done a better job with it than the Asian OEMs (HTC, LG, etc.), and become the #1 or #2 Android handset maker fairly quickly, especially since they had a lot of in-house OS talent already working on Symbian and Maemo/Meego (which itself is Linux-based, just like Android, so the transition would have been easy for those guys). One of the big problems with Android phones is that they really suck in a lot of ways, not really because of the Android OS, but because of all the crapware the phone makers load on it, the crappy/buggy customizations they make (HTC Sense, etc.), and the generally poor job they do in supporting the devices, especially once they're released and they've moved on to the next model. This is why alternative roms like CyanogenMod are so popular among many users, because the handset makers and carriers screw up the Android experience so much. Nokia could have done a much better job with all their in-house talent and dominated the Android handset market. Blackberry too, perhaps; they might have come up with their own improvements or add-ons for Android to work better for enterprise use, perhaps by improving the built-in security.

    10. Re:Yeah right by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Nokia had excellent products and a very large and loyal 'user base'.

      Blackberry had nothing similar.

      Err, what? They didn't call them "Crackberries" for nothing. Even Obama had one. Before Android and iPhone took over, pretty much anybody in business had one.

    11. Re:Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BlackBerry jettisoned "their own stuff" years ago, and moved to an OS from third-party car-OS manufacturer QNX, and to a back-end sync technology from Microsoft.

  8. Back to Basics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Absolutely. If Microsoft wants to survive, it needs to get back to basics, focus on the proven Money Makers, Windows and Office. Release Versions for every platform you can, license your tech to other companies.

    1. Re:Back to Basics by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, if he dumped Nokia's homegrown OS like Symbian, can't he also sink Windows 8.x and bring back Windows 7? Or at least separate them into 2 roads - Windows for laptops/PCs/servers and Metro for phones/tablets

    2. Re:Back to Basics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're half right.

      He'll sink Windows 8 and create a Symbian for desktops.

    3. Re:Back to Basics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And somehow, Microsoft is being vilified for this. Awesome.

    4. Re:Back to Basics by plover · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Microsoft has a different problem: their older products are their own stiffest competition. Why will anyone buy Office 2016 when Office 2013 already does everything the typical consumer needs?

      It used to be easy to sell new versions, because the old versions were buggy, bloated, hard to use, and missing a lot of useful features. But Microsoft has dramatically improved their quality. They've added piles of features. They've improved usability for the average John and Jane Does of the world. They've built a system that does everything the typical user needs. So their old free-ride path of "upgrade our old crap because you need to" is over, because it's no longer needed.

      What they've since recognized is that their customers suck at owning computers. Most people don't make backups, they get viruses, they don't know how to manage a home system. So they are offering Office365 in the cloud to appeal to people to not have to care any more (for only $9.95/month). All John Doe has to do is remember his password, and everything else is taken care of for him. They can continue to offer token features and upgrades thrown into the price, but the real money of tomorrow will be made hosting people's data for them, not in the software. It's not the back-to-the-basics approach you advocate, but it's what they're betting will be their future.

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    5. Re:Back to Basics by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      By whom? Microsoft fanboys maybe, but anyone with a brain should realize it's normal business sense to jetison ventures that aren't profitable and stick to ones which are, or which have a lot of potential.

      That said, I hope he doesn't get the job, because this approach might just work. I'd rather see another Ballmer take over, and squander billions on idiotic projects and marketing ideas, so that MS will eventually collapse and die. It's just too much fun watching MS flounder under Ballmer's leadership.

    6. Re:Back to Basics by dimeglio · · Score: 1

      I still believe Office 2003 was their best office. After that it became weird. Instead of the anthropomorphic paperclip we now have the forsaken ribbon.

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    7. Re:Back to Basics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typo: " Why will anyone buy Office 2016 when Office 2013 already does everything the typical consumer needs?" The typo is 2013 really meant to be 1995. The "advancements" of Office detract from product _and_ company (Micro$Lop) value

    8. Re:Back to Basics by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      Corporate clients buy Office N because Office N-1 is no longer supported and/or doesn't run in MS Windows-Latest. Simple as that.

  9. Whoa by vivek7006 · · Score: 4, Funny

    He is a double agent! He tricked Microsoft into believing that he was their agent working for them to run down Nokia, all the while he was really working for Google! This could be the plot of a new Mission Impossible movie, Tom Cruise playing Elop?

    1. Re:Whoa by sandytaru · · Score: 1

      Google really has nothing to fear from Bing, anyway.

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  10. Symbian, really? by chuckugly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone who thinks Symbian was a decent alternative OS and that abandoning it for virtually ANYTHING else was a mistake needs to have their head examined. In fact I'd credit sticking to Symbian for too long with as much of Nokias problems as anything else.

    1. Re:Symbian, really? by Pinhedd · · Score: 0

      Ding!

      Nokia's market share was already dropping rapidly when Stephen Elop was brought on board. Symbian was too far behind iOS and other competing operating systems, and was facing delays in catching up.

    2. Re:Symbian, really? by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As an OS, Symbian sucked. As an interface to a phone, it worked well. People who wanted a phone to run games and run all the bells and whistles didn't buy Nokia phones. People who bought Nokia phones wanted a phone that made phone calls, and in a pinch could do some other neat tricks, too.

      For comparison, consider my wife's old Android phone, which crashed when the Phone app was opened... or my iPhone, which has trouble figuring out whether it wants to use Wi-Fi or 4G for data transfer at any given time. My old Nokia phone was just a phone, and for a large market segment (such as the elderly retirees whose kids insist they have a cell phone "for emergencies"), that's all they need.

      Nokia had a niche market all ready as the manufacturer of reliable low-end phones. Elop led them down the familiar Microsoft path of following the latest trends, so they lost that one market they dominated.

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    3. Re:Symbian, really? by tapi0 · · Score: 1

      Yes, you're absolutely spot on. Symbion was heading downwards - the whole point of the 'burning platform' i.e. they were concentrating on developing something without seeing it was slowly burning away around them, and that the time spent continuing on this path meant a long path to turn it around (and in some areas they are).

    4. Re:Symbian, really? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Symbian wasn't a really competitive smartphone OS, but it had a lot of market share and a good transition path towards Maemo/Meego with Qt, which would have been a strong alternative.

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    5. Re:Symbian, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Nokia's problem was sticking with Elop for too long.

    6. Re:Symbian, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. I think the Symbian OS is a great phone OS. It excels at lower power consumption, and I quite enjoyed programming it with Python. It's programming APIs were actually quite simple and easy to use.

      You can make the business case for why IOS or Android will get you more consumers looking for the bling-iest phone, but I actually enjoy the simplicity of the Symbian system.

    7. Re:Symbian, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By large market segment, do you mean small market segment?

    8. Re:Symbian, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But...but... Microsoft! It's evil! They killed Nokia! Those bastards!

    9. Re:Symbian, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nokia's market share was already dropping rapidly when Stephen Elop was brought on board. Symbian was too far behind iOS and other competing operating systems, and was facing delays in catching up.

      Yes Symbian was bad, but Nokia's market share wasn't dropping rapidly before Elop Effect:

      http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/.a/6a00e0097e337c8833019aff90ac05970b-pi

    10. Re:Symbian, really? by RobertM1968 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As an OS, Symbian sucked. As an interface to a phone, it worked well. People who wanted a phone to run games and run all the bells and whistles didn't buy Nokia phones. People who bought Nokia phones wanted a phone that made phone calls, and in a pinch could do some other neat tricks, too.

      For comparison, consider my wife's old Android phone, which crashed when the Phone app was opened... or my iPhone, which has trouble figuring out whether it wants to use Wi-Fi or 4G for data transfer at any given time. My old Nokia phone was just a phone, and for a large market segment (such as the elderly retirees whose kids insist they have a cell phone "for emergencies"), that's all they need.

      Nokia had a niche market all ready as the manufacturer of reliable low-end phones. Elop led them down the familiar Microsoft path of following the latest trends, so they lost that one market they dominated.

      That, (coupled with the sales figures to support it) is a better explanation of reality. The GP/PP/etc need to stop thinking as techie geeks, and start thinking in the way the highly diverse consumer market thinks. There's a reason the Symbian phones sold. Decent hardware that did the job for people who don't want (or are scared of) smartphones, but want something better than a dumb "calls/text only") phone.

    11. Re:Symbian, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an OS, Symbian sucked. As an interface to a phone, it worked well. People who wanted a phone to run games and run all the bells and whistles didn't buy Nokia phones. People who bought Nokia phones wanted a phone that made phone calls, and in a pinch could do some other neat tricks, too.

      Not quite. Psion, then EPOC, then (eventually) symbian was a pretty neat system for functional low-power devices. It makes do with a lot less power and manages to do more with it. Neither iOS nor android come close.

      My e52 gets weeks of battery time standing by, and should be able to run all sorts of interesting apps. IME, though, it had ticked a lot of boxes, but in such a way that none of its purported functions worked especially well. It only sort-of works, from the calendar app that's inferior in function to the one on my 6310 (yes, the pre-i kind, that old), to the gps that keeps complaining about being indoors while standing on an horizon-to-horizon open field, camera LED flashes that can't be used as a pocket light, to (remember, "enterprise" phone) a re-written VoIP stack that won't work with 90+% of SIP providers Out There because of an inflexibly strict RFC interpretation. Add to that chronically unstable software (*cough* mapping *cough*) and the broken open source promises ("just open for business" after closing the source, them's fighting words), nonexistence of development environments outside windows, stupid shenanigans with signing keys, and so on... all that and more has irrevocably lost me as a nokia customer forever.

      But the foundations weren't bad, once. Psion 3 devices still fetch a good price on ebay.

      What I would really like is not so much "just a phone" (any cheap chinese thing will do), but a pocket-sized phone that has all the interfaces and lets me add (my own) apps to show me all sorts of things, from the available APs for an impromptu site survey (or, why not the GSM towers?), to the GPS satellites (including before acquiring a fix, TYVM, just tell me what the chip *can* see), to bluetooth-connected sensors around the home, to... you name it. Add a bit of storage for music and podcasts, a camera for the occasional picture, the obvious stuff. But I don't want to tote around a tablet-sized slab, and I do prefer buttons for the basic phone function, yes. Is that too much to ask?

      For the time being I'm back to the 6310 because for a basic phone interface I haven't seen anything better. And the new one certainly won't be nokia, ever, again. But I repeat myself.

    12. Re:Symbian, really? by X.25 · · Score: 1

      Anyone who thinks Symbian was a decent alternative OS and that abandoning it for virtually ANYTHING else was a mistake needs to have their head examined. In fact I'd credit sticking to Symbian for too long with as much of Nokias problems as anything else.

      Symbian was a phone OS. Not an 'alternative' OS (whatever you mean by that). And it was the best phone OS.

      You know, for people who want to have a phone, and not a miniaturized computer that runs shitty OS which spend more time tracking you than letting you use it.

    13. Re:Symbian, really? by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      For me, it looks like MS identified a wounded giant and is capitalizing on that. They didn't inflict the wound so much.

    14. Re:Symbian, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Symbian was loosing market share, but had increasing sales and was still highly profitable to Nokia. Killing it at that time without having a successor ready was a stupid mistake. Even more stupid was to switch to Windows Phone (at that time even the CE based WP7), while their awesome Meego phones were just ready (after delays). It would have been a reasonable strategy to add Android to the portfolio without abandoning Meego and Symbian at that time. Killing you cash cow and switching to the worst alternative was suicide as predicted by many at that time.

    15. Re:Symbian, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Symbian was an OS, and a pretty damn good one for the platform it was used on - it was mostly responsible for the incredible battery life Nokia devices had because power management was a high priority in its design. When people complain about "Symbian", what they're actually complaining about 99% of the time is the UI layer(s) Nokia attempted to build on top of it. Those turned into a massive clusterfuck over the years, to the point where developing Symbian apps became a mild form of torture. Terrible debugging support, terrible documentation, terrible emulation support, inconsistent APIs all over the place... I'm glad it's gone. The effort to switch over to a Qt/QML solution was too late to make a difference.

      Anyway, my point was that while Symbian probably needed some modernisation, people who complain about it like you are doing the equivalent to blaming the Linux kernel devs for the shortcomings of the Ubuntu Unity interface. They're separate pieces of software.

    16. Re:Symbian, really? by grumpyman · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what you're implying really. These days a cheap Android phone could be have for less than $50. Ask the Chinese factory worker if he'd prefer that or a rock solid symbian phone?

    17. Re:Symbian, really? by Kingkaid · · Score: 1

      The question is would it have dropped rapidly had they continued on the same path (e.g. with no active decision to drop Symbian). My gut says yes, since everyone and they dog wanted an iPhone and later a Galaxy. If you look at typical models of what companies consider "cash cows", Symbian phones were that. They were a product at the end of their lifecycle raking in a ton of money. However this always happens at the end of a lifecycle.

    18. Re:Symbian, really? by gdshaw · · Score: 1

      Nokia's market share was already dropping rapidly when Stephen Elop was brought on board.

      Dropping in terms of relative market share, yes, but still very healthy in terms of absolute sales and profitability. That was a long-term problem for Symbian, but not necessarily for Nokia because they were already starting to phase in its replacement (Maemo/Meego).

      What Elop succeeded in doing was to turn a long-term problem into a short-term crisis. Specifically, rather than allowing Symbian to continue its slow, market-driven decline he forced it into a nosedive, while at the same time switching its dedicated successor from a product that was ready to ship to one that would not be ready for some time.

      It is true that Nokia's development of Maemo/Meego had been proceeding far to slowly and inefficiently, and that at least cannot be blamed on Elop, but it is hard to imagine how Nokia could have done worse by sticking with Symbian and Meego compared to the spectacular decline that resulted from adopting Windows Phone.

    19. Re:Symbian, really? by spacepimp · · Score: 1

      How quickly is the market sector for "simple phones" growing? Hint: it isn't. In fact the market for feature phones in all the emerging BRIC nations is shrinking which is where they were still successful. If you think that holding onto the collapsing market segment they were best in class in would have propped up Nokia, then I have to disagree. Going with Windows Phone was a poor choice. To have stuck with Symbian they'd be in worse shape than they are now with MS at the helm. Blackberry tried to stay its course with their semi-smart phone technology and that withered away during the same window.

    20. Re:Symbian, really? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      No, it's a pretty large market segment, especially if you factor in emerging markets (less-developed countries) where they'd rather buy a cheap, basic phone than a $600 smartphone because their annual income is so small. No, there's not a lot of profit per-device in dumbphones like that, but there's huge volume, which can easily make up for it.

    21. Re:Symbian, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Elop even had a great example of what to do . . . milk Symbian for all it's worth and move on to the next big thing. Instead, he knifed Symbian when he had nothing to take it's place. What a moron!

    22. Re:Symbian, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Maemo/Meego with Qt, which would have been a strong alternative.

      Living in la-la land, are we? It would have jack $#!+ in the way of apps, which is the kiss of death. Developers aren't going to support another extra platform without lot$ of good rea$on$.

    23. Re:Symbian, really? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      except you assume everyone is a middle-class rich American.

      Symbian would have sold perfectly well in Africa and Asia. Who cares if they made $10 per unit compared to apple making $200, if they sold 20 times as many. And that's pretty much what was going on. People confuse the phone market thinking its only 1 market - it isn't, there's plenty of people who just can't afford an iPhone or have the bandwidth to use it. The old, solid, phones nokia used to make would have happily kept them going.

      But analysts like to see growing figures and they were blinded by the iPhone sales and simply said that nokia was as good as dead, like there's only 1 possible phone that anyone would buy.

      Wiith a bit of imagination, Nokia could have been successful, even if not as successful as they used to be. Elop simply didn't have any talent at all when he tried to play with the grown-ups (ie Apple) using Windows phone as a ticket to the party, when he should have concentrated on consolidating the other segments of the market. while running some R&D to make the next big thing, leapfrogging Apple in a few years time when people get bored with the iPhone.

    24. Re:Symbian, really? by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Nobody says they would've exclusively stuck with Symbian, not even pre-Elop Nokia. Symbian was their current OS and Meego was the superior successor (and entering the market just as Elop tried to find out how hard he could possibly invoke the Osborne effect). Even if they had ditched Meego in favor of Android they would've still slowly transitioned from the still-profitable Symbian to their new OS.

      Blackberry, on the other hand, has an OS nobody finds sexy anymore that is directly marketed as an alternative to Android and iOS, with no transition from its pre-smartphone version planned until after that one became unprofitable. Nokia had the foresight to prepare a slow transition away from dumbphones while they still made money while Blackberry only noticed the changing market when it was too late.

      With a less malicious (or incompetent, depending on your take on things) CEO Nokia would probably now offer mainly Meego phones with Symbian being relegated to low-end duty until it'd be finally shut down.

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    25. Re:Symbian, really? by suy · · Score: 1

      The problem wasn't if Nokia should have killed Symbian, the problem is how.

      They told the world all their flagship products sucked, and they would replace them... eventually. They were only ready to deliver a first device almost a year after, and they killed Symbian for good much time afterwards. They should have lied, and tell that they were only adding Windows Phone to their portfolio, and then time will tell.

      Or better: they should have done an embrace and extend to the whole Android ecosystem. Elop was selling that this was a "war of ecosystems", so Nokia should have said "The operating sytem is irrelevant. Just use Qt to target Symbian, MeeGo, Android, and next year iOS".

      They could have taken several paths, and they took the worst, in the worst possible way.

    26. Re:Symbian, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who thinks Symbian was a decent alternative OS and that abandoning it for virtually ANYTHING else was a mistake needs to have their head examined. In fact I'd credit sticking to Symbian for too long with as much of Nokias problems as anything else.

      Nokia was selling a fuckton of Symbian phones. Even IF the trend was downwards, Nokia could have made a lot of profit selling the same platform while introducing the new one. Telling everyone and their dog and the dog's fleas that "SYMBIAN IS DEAD, OVI (the Symbian store) IS DEAD, DO NOT DEVELOP FOR IT, IT HAS NO FUTURE, WE ARE CEASING ALL WORK ON SYMBIAN - STAT!" was guaranteed to shoot Nokia's marketshare and sales.

      Indeed, that's exactly what happened.

      Meanwhile, the platform to which Nokia originally intended to transition, Meego, was selling well, in spite of no marketing and the promise (by Elop, of course) that that too is a dead end.

    27. Re:Symbian, really? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      As the AC snarkily said, Maemo/Meego was really a dead/end, because of apps, unfortunately. It sounded like a great idea technically, but the technically superior choice frequently fails because of non-technical reasons, and that would have been the case here too: iOS and Android already had large, well-established app stores and the availability of hundreds of thousands of apps, plus TV shows, music, etc. Meego would have been just as disadvantaged as WinPhone, if not more so since it wouldn't have had MS's backing to encourage app development (which hasn't helped that much, but a lot more than nothing).

      The only way Meego would have worked is if they made it compatible with Android apps, but it's unlikely they could have pulled that off, plus they probably wouldn't have gotten access to Google's Play store which is where most Android apps are found.

      Nokia should have just joined the crowd and jumped on the Android bandwagon. They would probably have done better revenue-wise than with WinPhone, and with their existing expertise in phone OSes, could have become the premier Android handset maker.

    28. Re:Symbian, really? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Apparently most of the market disagrees with you because Symbian is dead, since not enough people shared your opinion to keep the company afloat using that OS.

  11. Sounds good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Xbone and Bing are horrible.

  12. incentives redux by minstrelmike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Article: ... they probably looked good on paper, didn't quite work out. Specifically, Elop decided to abandon Nokia's popular homegrown operating systems, including Symbian, in favor of Microsoft's Windows Phone.

    Depends on what you mean by "didn't work out."
    That decision didn't work out for Nokia but apparently worked out real well for Elop himself.

  13. BillyG would never allow it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    His plan to take over the world says different.
    In it the only tech anyone would ever need has an MS Symbol on it.
    Granted that it has taken a bit of a hammering in recent years but Elop clearly does not have the vision that BillyBoy has.

  14. Time for focus by asmkm22 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Trimming the fat would probably be better for Microsoft at this point. They are trying to dance in too many rodeos, and it's starting to show. Focus on Enterprise, Windows, and Office products. That's a really strong foundation for them. If they want to stay in the mobile phone industry, buy rights to the Blackberry name and focus on the Enterprise and professional markets with solid phones built around security rather than entertainment.

    Something like that would free up all kinds of funds for R&D projects into potential technologies, while playing to their strengths. Microsoft is not -- and never will be -- the entertainment company it seems to desire. Yes, there's potential money in it, but it simply doesn't align with their core business.

    1. Re:Time for focus by KraxxxZ01 · · Score: 1

      Microsoft already won at entertainment. Win is glorious gaming master race. They could start sending gamers to space and cultivating mushrooms, and still rule the petty enterprise 'industry'.

    2. Re:Time for focus by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Yep. Microsoft bet on TV set top game/surf machines would take over from the PC, but they didn't. Giant-screen phones and tablets did. They bet the wrong way when Apple, then Google-as-Apple-alternative went a slightly different way.

      From then on it was all "me too-itis". They need to develop new things, not copies, or go gently into the night like IBM did, still giant but largely serving the corporate-industrial consumer.

      Bill Gates once said an opportunity like he had to go big on the ground floor of a whole new industry is about once every 50 years. Well, this is the third computer boom in the 30 years since the mid 80's, so we're averaging about every 15 years.

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    3. Re:Time for focus by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      By the way, console gaming is a freaking huge arena. They just seem to be losing money hoping to make it back on other stuff. But their panic over it needing to be kept going to OMG MAYBE HAFTA shift their PC business to it is gone now. So if keeping it, do it roght, which means not an underpowered, overpriced unit that still loses money.

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    4. Re:Time for focus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are trying to dance in too many rodeo

      Off-topic, but I've never heard this expression before. Isn't dancing in one rodeo dancing in too many rodeos?

    5. Re:Time for focus by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      They are trying to dance in too many rodeos, and it's starting to show.

      I've been to quite a few rodeos in my day, and I can't remember any dancing in any of them. In fact, I'd say dancing in any rodeo is too many.

    6. Re:Time for focus by grumpyman · · Score: 1

      As per quoted on media Blackberry's handset business worth basically $0. I'm not sure what MS get out of the Nokia deal. A manufacturer for the MS phones I guess... I'd say the chance is slim for MS to buy both Nokia and BB.

    7. Re:Time for focus by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      They are trying to dance in too many rodeos, and it's starting to show. Focus on Enterprise, Windows, and Office products.

      I think that would be a death sentence. That revenue stream is not going to last. There are three prevailing trends right now, back to centralization ( dumb terminals basically ), BYOD, and web based office apps (where the jury is still very much out as it if it be possible to charge a premium long term).

      The centralization where you have a handful of terminal servers, ruing in virtualization themselves does not sell many windows licenses. The lack of so many boxes around, eliminates a lot of the management needs, you don't need SCCM + WSUS to keep 12 terminal servers patched with your latest app versions deployed, for example.

      The "attractive" ( really quite terrifying thing ) about BYOD from a business perspective is you don't shoulder the burden management of the devices you let your employees do that. So no enterprisey market there other than some security tools like MDM ( Which we all know are worthless crap sold by shysters.) On the Droid side you can't really tell if the devices are rooted or not, so you can't really promise anything security wise, on the Apple side, well Apple policy more or less prevents you managing the devices in any meaningful way ( what apps are on them, can the user upgrade IOS, etc), other then enabling "require password" so your CIO feels good about them usless. MDM over consumer devices is already a commodity space, and nobody cares about Microsoft logo there, so little money to be made.

      The web based office and productivity tools are getting better, they are good enough for many workers now. Honestly what is probably keeping many smaller players from just moving to Google Docs are intellectual property issues and concerns. Microsoft is going after them with Office Live, because well they see the writing on the wall, people are going to do their basic office composition work in some web app or with some OSS package. "I gotta have Word and Excel" is not nearly so strong a force as it once was, I suspect "I gotta have Outlook because I run Exchange" is as big a driver.

      No I don't think "the living room" is the next great frontier some at MS do but they are correct they need to find some new markets because Office 2020 and Windows 10 are not going to sustain them. There was talk about a decade ago about Microsoft just selling off its software lines and becoming an investment bank or big hedge fund, probably what they should have done honestly.

       

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    8. Re:Time for focus by Tom · · Score: 1

      Trimming the fat [...] trying to dance

      You missed the news that Balmer is already on the way out?

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    9. Re:Time for focus by sjames · · Score: 1

      And that's the problem. MS really does tend to show up at the Rodeo and expects to win by showing off their dance moves (which are mostly in the drunk white boy class).

  15. Elop and million of consumers conspired together.. by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    To bring down the market value of Nokia by both releasing new products (Elop) and then not buying them (consumers), all so that Microsoft could snap up a dead-end company like Nokia on the cheap and Elop could get a big, fat cash bonus for orchestrating it all.

  16. Let's not mince words by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nokia's OS work was absolutely terrible, in fact it was so bad that it made what Microsoft had look good. The one thing Elop couldn't do was stick with the old Nokia way of doing things, it simply wasn't relevant in this time and age. The mistake Elop made was not in getting rid of Nokia's homegrown OS developments, it was in choosing Microsoft's developments to replace them.

    Elop should have chosen to go with Android for the killer platform of the their OS with Nokia's hardware. Unfortunately for Nokia he went for the lethal platform of the Microsoft OS with Nokia's hardware. The result was the choosing of industry contacts that Elop had at Microsoft instead of going with Android and systematic destruction of billions of dollars in equity.

    Elop can be counted on to make hard choices and get rid of losing platforms. Unfortunately he can also be counted on to make foolish choices to fill the void. Inevitably he will therefore be the next Microsoft CEO...

    1. Re:Let's not mince words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But can he throw chairs as well as Ballmer?

    2. Re:Let's not mince words by Antonovich · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They could have stuffed it up, but I can't help thinking Nokia would be in the position Samsung are now had they gone with Android. They may have had to tow the line a bit with Google but with their expertise (and kick-arse hardware), I'm convinced they would have made it very hard for others to thrive, even Samsung. And this is not just hindsight talking, LOTS of people knew Nokia would struggle if they went with anything apart from Android. It would have also meant there was a European company in the game too...

    3. Re:Let's not mince words by tp_xyzzy · · Score: 1

      > Elop should have chosen to go with Android for the killer platform of the their OS with Nokia's hardware.

      That's only end-user perspective. There is other considerations, like how operators improve their networks, and what kind of improvements the company's engineers want to do to the os. Also hardware support is important consideration - it wouldnt be good if they had to use same type of parts for the phones as android vendors are using, since world supply of those components is soon consumed already. Important decision point seem to be ecosystem.

    4. Re:Let's not mince words by tapi0 · · Score: 0

      .... and do what, become yet another also-ran along with the multitude cowering in Samsung's shadow?
      By choosing an alternative, nokia was able to sell on a lot of its services (mapping etc) that it wouldn't have been able to do if it went with Android. Nokia retains that, and it makes a lot of money for them - and now has a lot more marketshare than before. If they'd started using android, it would have been hard work convincing the other manufacturers to use their stuff over googles own.
      The remainder of Nokia not sold to MS is arguably in a better position by choosing to partner with MS.

    5. Re:Let's not mince words by jasper160 · · Score: 1

      You beet me to it.

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    6. Re:Let's not mince words by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      The only thing that prevented me from buying Nokia phones was the Symbian OS; I've worked with it, even done a tiny bit of consulting for Sony-Ericsson getting some bits shoveled into a new "Symbian Smartphone" back just before the iPhone hit. If the Nokia devices run a remotely competitive OS their overall hardware quality is hard to ignore. Until the new MS Phone platform takes off or they go to something else, that's just not good enough for me though.

    7. Re:Let's not mince words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I cannot even get a +1. So much Slashbot elitism around here these days an AC can't get a point even when they make a funny. Feelsbadman.

    8. Re:Let's not mince words by KiloByte · · Score: 2

      Can you show me a better phone than N900 then?

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    9. Re:Let's not mince words by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      They could have stuffed it up, but I can't help thinking Nokia would be in the position Samsung are now had they gone with Android.

      You mean making a profit?

    10. Re:Let's not mince words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One should remember that a big part of the reason for going with Microsoft was Nokia's cash burn rate at that point in time. It's arguable that had they not been receiving those quarterly 300M payments from Microsoft, they wouldn't have had the money on hand to trim the rest of their operations. Unfortunately, those payments also carried with them a WP exclusivity agreement. Going with Android instead may have been a better move in the long run, but short term there was serious bleeding that had to be staunched.

    11. Re: Let's not mince words by Antonovich · · Score: 1

      I mean making huge profits and selling more high-end devices than pretty much all other manufacturers combined.

    12. Re:Let's not mince words by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      That's exactly my view as well. Nokia already had a lot of in-house engineering talent, working not only on old Symbian, but also on Maemo/Meego, which is fairly similar to Android (since they're both Linux-based). The Asian OEMs have been pretty bad at integreting Android with their hardware, loading their phones down with all kinds of buggy crapware and giving Android a reputation for instability and bugginess; this probably isn't too surprising since Asian companies in general seem to not do very well with software anyway. Nokia could have bested them on the software integration, and been the #1 Android phone maker.

  17. No more Xbox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't that mean that the next gen Playstation would be more expensive?

  18. XBOX has done nothing but hurt Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting rid of the XBOX would not be the end of their consumer line. They would still have consumer windows, mobile phones and tablets. Which is great, because consumer windows, tablets and even mobile phones will affect the use and purchasing of enterprise systems ... being in these markets can help their core business.

    The only thing the XBOX ever did for Microsoft is make them lose money (overall) and weaken their support for the PC. DirectX is basically deprecated at this point, it saw a small update to bring it to feature parity with XBOX One and that was it ... regardless of how profitable XBOX can be, Microsoft should not be running that business since it conflicts with their own. Microsoft has a yearly song and dance routine how they are committed to PC gaming when some executive notices how Valve is making loads of cash and realize that could have been them if they hadn't screwed it up, but it never lasts.

    1. Re:XBOX has done nothing but hurt Microsoft by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has a yearly song and dance routine how they are committed to PC gaming when some executive notices how Valve is making loads of cash and realize that could have been them if they hadn't screwed it up, but it never lasts.

      To be fair, PC gaming is the only reason I keep a Windows PC around, so they've made about $100 from me in the last five years buying a copy of Windows 7 for the new gaming PC.

  19. I hope he sinks microsoft as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really hope he becomes microsoft's CEO. Then he sinks it just as fast as he sank Nokia.

    1. Re:I hope he sinks microsoft as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not doing too well in the thinking department, are ya? Take your MS blinders off and you'd notice Nokia was already under the waves before MS stuck their claws into them. They held onto Symbian for way too long.

  20. Meego to hell by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Elop said he will abandon Microsoft's failed attempt to create a modern operating system and simply bet the whole company on getting in bed with Nokia and use their Symbian operating system. Either that or Meego.

    The long term strategy is that after the company craters, Nokia can purchase it for a song, and he can then be tapped to be CEO of Nokia.

    He noted that this strategy has worked in the past. "Nokia's cratered stock price doubled after they sold me off of Microsoft, And I can confidently predict that after I crater microsoft, it's price will double when they sell me back to Nokia."

    He also pointed out that essentially the same strategy was used by Gil Amelio when Apple abandoned it's OS developement and bought Steve's Jobs and his Next OS, shedding Gil in the process.

    "it's proven. Buy another company's OS and bet on it. That's what I know how to do better than anyone."

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    1. Re:Meego to hell by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      The long term strategy is that after the company craters, Nokia can purchase it for a song, and he can then be tapped to be CEO of Nokia.

      That's what I was thinking. Maybe the plan all along was to get Microsoft to buy Nokia, then kill the rest of Microsoft so Nokia rises from the grave with billions of dollars of cash reserves behind it.

  21. The rumor I've heard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somehow, they need to get Ford's Mulally and EMC's Maritz (ex-MSFT) as a tag team, with Mulally being the CEO/Operations/Mr Outside and Maritz being the product roadmap guy.

    That makes sense to me. Of course, they'd have to get Mulally and Maritz to sign on first.

  22. Keep XBox, dump Bing? by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The XBox unit is profitable. The entire first generation of the XBox was financial lose, but in the last few years, the business finally started to make money.

    Bing, not so much. Bing seems to be a dumping ground for Microsoft managers. Every year or so, there's a new management team at Bing. Their business strategy is "copy Google". To some extent, they have to - for a while, their ad system was completely different from Google's, and advertisers wouldn't bother to use it. Something like 80% of Bing users use Internet Explorer. Those are the people who don't know how to change the default search engine.

    Google as the only major search engine, though, is scary. The remaining competition in web search is tiny in the US - IAC, InfoSeek, Yandex, and Baidu. (DuckDuckGo and Bleeko are resellers of Bing and Yandex, respectively.) With no competition, Google could charge much more for ads and become even more intrusive.

    1. Re:Keep XBox, dump Bing? by rk · · Score: 1

      I'm going to commit a slashdot crime here, but here it goes: on my Android phone, I have installed Bing. Hold on a minute! I still use Google for searching and everything else. Google Now rocks! It's changed the way I use my phone and organize my data.

      But Google Maps on Android is shit for searching. I search for a store that I know is around close somewhere, and Google maps shows me just one that's 30 miles away. Bing shows me all of them, including the one that's a mile away.

    2. Re:Keep XBox, dump Bing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google Maps on android is shit for just about everything. Sadly, it's the best I've seen. Maybe I'll try this bing maps if it can get me navigation from here to there in under a dozen clicks without having to calculate the route twice.

    3. Re:Keep XBox, dump Bing? by Compholio · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The XBox unit is profitable. ...

      You sure about that? Microsoft Is Making An Astonishing $2 Billion Per Year From Android Patent Royalties

    4. Re:Keep XBox, dump Bing? by tapi0 · · Score: 1

      And what does Bing maps use? Navteq, which remains owned by Nokia (not the phone division sold to MS)
      I remain convinced that the MS Nokia partnership worked out well for both (separate) companies. If nokia had gone google (android) would their other properties be in such a good position?

    5. Re:Keep XBox, dump Bing? by dottrap · · Score: 1

      The XBox unit is profitable. ...

      You sure about that? Microsoft Is Making An Astonishing $2 Billion Per Year From Android Patent Royalties

      Mod parent up!
      For those not willing to read the article:

      Microsoft is probably losing $2.5 billion on Skype, Xbox, and Windows Phone. Of that, $2 billion in losses are attributable to the Xbox platform.

    6. Re:Keep XBox, dump Bing? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      OSMAnd - openstreetmaps for Android. I worry the devs are going in a free-version-but-buy the paid upgrade route, but on the other hand, the paid version isn't very much money at all.

      Its different to Google, but you can download offline map data, and it does have all the local map data users have uploaded that Google can't get.

  23. Eggs meet basket. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Elop ... would eliminate company projects such as Xbox and Bing while focusing resources on Office.

    Yes, because putting all your eggs into one basket is always a good idea. I'm not a Microsoft fan, but this seems like a stupid business decision. Good thing there aren't any free alternatives to Office so Microsoft can keep milking their Office cash cow forever...

    Elop decided to abandon Nokia's popular homegrown operating systems, including Symbian, in favor of Microsoft's Windows Phone.

    .

    Hmm... Microsoft exec gets hired by Nokia, kills in-house OS products in favor of Microsoft OS, company's market share tanks, gets considered for CEO at Microsoft. Nope, nothing fishy here. [/sarcasm]

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    1. Re:Eggs meet basket. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The corporations aren't adopting any free alternatives to MS Office in any substantial numbers unfortunately, plus with MS's other enterprise software (Sharepoint, etc.) which is all integrated together, they have a lot of business computing pretty well locked-up.

      MS has a lot more business software out there besides just Windows (desktop) and Office, and it's their focus on business use that keeps them so strong and profitable there: Windows Server, SQL Server, Sharepoint, Exchange/Outlook, Azure, etc. MS isn't making that much money in consumer markets, but their business markets are extremely profitable. They're losing lots of money because they keep futilely trying to make flashy consumer devices to compete with Apple, and losing at it: Xbox, Zune, Windows 8, WinPhone, Surface.

    2. Re:Eggs meet basket. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      other enterprise software (Sharepoint, etc.) which is all integrated together,

      I'm familiar with Sharepoint. It took me all afternoon to disable it and/or uninstall its parts from Office 2010 (even after deselecting it during installation). [Thank you MS for force installing a component I didn't want and will *never* use - ever.]

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    3. Re:Eggs meet basket. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      If you don't like MS's products, you're free to not buy them, and to use something different.

    4. Re:Eggs meet basket. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      If you don't like MS's products, you're free to not buy them, and to use something different.

      Typical non-thoughtful, unhelpful sheep/fan-boy reply. So, I'm not allowed to complain when a package installed a component that I explicitly deselected? I'm not allowed to complain when a product force installs something unnecessary - something with network/tracking capability to boot - and/or automatically adds other things, like IE plugins (like the Office Sharepoint component does)?

      I'm not a huge fan of MS, but their products have their uses (and I have to use it for Work) and I understand that even sipping the Kool-Aid has some consequences, but it doesn't mean I have to go quietly into that goodnight - neither should you dumb-ass.

      If you don't like my commentary, you're free to not read them (or reply to them) and read something else.

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    5. Re:Eggs meet basket. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Typical non-thoughtful, unhelpful sheep/fan-boy reply. So, I'm not allowed to complain when a package installed a component that I explicitly deselected? I'm not allowed to complain when a product force installs something unnecessary - something with network/tracking capability to boot - and/or automatically adds other things, like IE plugins (like the Office Sharepoint component does)?

      Your complaining is simply whining. Do you really think MS gives two shits about your opinion? You think you're going to get them to not bundle crap you don't want, or not have tracking capability? You have two choices: use their stuff and put up with it, or don't use their stuff, and use something else instead.

      I understand that even sipping the Kool-Aid has some consequences

      Exactly. Either drink the kool-aid and accept the consequences, or do something different. It's not like there's no alternatives to MS software out there. Giving them money, and then whining about the crap they shovel to you, is not going to change anything; you're just enabling them and being a useful stooge.

    6. Re:Eggs meet basket. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      To make a car analogy, it's like buying a Ford Pinto, and complaining about how it catches on fire, but then refusing to buy a different car, and continuing to buy more Pintos while whining about the gas tank problem.

    7. Re:Eggs meet basket. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      To make a car analogy, it's like buying a Ford Pinto, and complaining about how it catches on fire, but then refusing to buy a different car, and continuing to buy more Pintos while whining about the gas tank problem.

      Apparently, failing to think things though is your primary intelligence flaw. Correcting your analogy: It's like buying a Ford Pinto, explicitly declining the "burst into flames upon rear impact" option, finding that Ford had included it anyway - even though it could have easily been removed (fixed) by Ford, and whining about it when you wake up in the burn ward after your car unexpected exploded.

      You see Grasshopper. The Office 2010 install program *allows* the use to deselect Sharepoint, except that it installs it anyway. Re-running it and selecting Modify, allows you to (again) deselect it, but it doesn't get removed. However, explicitly uninstalling the component from the command line, using the component's ID (after digging around on the Internet to find said ID) *does* remove the Sharepoint component - and (wonders of wonders) Office continues to function correctly. So. The component is entirely, functionally, optional yet MS *wants* it installed regardless. In addition, the IE Sharepoint plugins Office 2010 added must be disabled and removed manually.

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    8. Re:Eggs meet basket. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It boggles my mind why you would want to continue doing business with a company that treats you this way. You must be a glutton for punishment.

    9. Re:Eggs meet basket. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      It boggles my mind why you would want to continue doing business with a company that treats you this way. You must be a glutton for punishment.

      Want and need are (often) two different things. My company uses Office 2010; I sometimes work from home ... yada, yada, yada.

      Just to clarify things, the troublesome Office 2010 sub-component I'm talking about is the Upload Center (MSOSYNC) used by Sharepoint (previously Groove) and auto started just about all the time. Here's a link listing many other people annoyed that they cannot easily disable and remove this component / service - along the instructions from someone in the World with the manual steps to actually do so via msiexec.

      http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/office/en-US/79e88e72-e9a2-4740-a41e-dbec4511ec59/disable-upload-center-via-oct-2010

      The Sharepoint IE plugins must still be disabled manually in IE and/or removed via editing the registry.

      I've been a Unix(ish) SA and system programmer, on just about every platform known from PC to Cray-2, for ~30 years, as well as a Windows SA / programmer. So while not a glutton for punishment, I certainly have taken some. Computers piss me off.

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    10. Re:Eggs meet basket. by thejynxed · · Score: 1

      The deselection in the installer only does a few things:

      1) Doesn't install a desktop icon for Sharepoint or its services.

      2) Doesn't install the Sharepoint icon under the Start menu anywhere.

      3) Doesn't create the registry entries pointing to the non-existent icons other than a few in certain keys to denote that the icon was "disabled", but still can be added manually or automatically via 're-installation' at a later time.

      So yes, it still installs it (and this seems to vary from one version of Office to another if it has this behavior) but just doesn't allow you direct access via icon, etc. Sometimes I think this behavior is due to different groups of people writing the installer packages - some groups take the lazy way by just disabling the icons.

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    11. Re:Eggs meet basket. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Thanks for explaining the behavior. Doesn't actually make it any better that is installs something unwanted, but thanks anyway. The manual uninstall steps listed on the technet post worked and I prefer *not* having an unwanted network service running, especially for a feature I will *never* use, regardless of how much MS would like me to.

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  24. let's make "Elop" a verb by globaljustin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    as in, "Marissa Meyer is going to 'Elop' Yahoo if it kills her"

    or "J.J. Abrahms had better not 'Elop' the franchise..."

    yep...

    TFA headline actually made me LOL: "Stephen Elop Would Pull a Nokia On Microsoft"

    Right?

    I think M$ is going to undergo even more headline grabbing changes and someone spinning off a major division or brand (like Xbox) is exactly the kind of way this would happen.

    Did you see the article on Playstation 4? I have never bought a PS (from the beginning IMHO it was a lesser nintendo but i'm old school like that...) and I'm not any kind of gamer fanboi but the PS4 looks badass all the way around. It's going to be $100 cheaper on launch and the 3rd Party game situation will be killer

    Xbox is M$'s next casualty...seriously...

    But yeah, to get back off-topic...let's make "Elop" a verb meaning to abandon a company's popular proven products in favor of an over-designed unusable system, which causes the company to lose sales & eventually be purchased by a competing interest.

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    1. Re:let's make "Elop" a verb by gdshaw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      let's make "Elop" a verb meaning to abandon a company's popular proven products in favor of an over-designed unusable system, which causes the company to lose sales

      Look up the term 'Elop Effect', defined as what happens when you combine the Osborne Effect (making your current product appear obsolete by prematurely pre-announcing its successor) and the Ratner Effect (damaging sales by disparaging your own products).

    2. Re:let's make "Elop" a verb by Rotag_FU · · Score: 1

      Did you see the article on Playstation 4? I have never bought a PS (from the beginning IMHO it was a lesser nintendo but i'm old school like that...) and I'm not any kind of gamer fanboi but the PS4 looks badass all the way around. It's going to be $100 cheaper on launch and the 3rd Party game situation will be killer

      Xbox is M$'s next casualty...seriously...

      I wouldn't count the Xbox out yet. At this point, I can see strong arguments for people going in either direction (PS4 or Xbox One) and think it comes down to personal preference in most situations.

      My take is that the PS4 has the advantage in terms of cost and performance (based on early indications). The Xbox One has a probable advantage in terms of gaming network (Xbox Live has been a better developed multiplayer gaming environment than Sony's; although that could change in this generation). It also has an advantage in terms of pure and timed exclusives. For the timed exclusives, you can point to aspects of the new FIFA as well as map packs for CoD and for pure exclusives you can point to Titanfall. If Titanfall is anywhere as close to as good as the press has been indicating, this exclusive could be a major coup for M$. At least until Titanfall 2, which will likely be multiplatform. Finally, the exclusive launch title that looks the best to me (not counting Titanfall since it won't be out until March) is Forza 5. So either platform is a great choice depending upon what games interest you.

      I had pre-orders for both the PS4 and Xbox One as soon as they announced pre-order availability. I was strongly leaning towards cancelling the Xbox One preorder and going purely with PS4, but the aspects that changed my mind were: 1) Titanfall looks damn good. 2) MS reversed course on their most boneheaded ideas (although I really liked the sharing with friends aspect). 3) I have a number of friends that are on Xbox Live and are not planning to switch. At this point, I've cancelled my PS4 pre-order and kept my Xbox One preorder, but I plan to pick up the PS4 when the inevitable price cut hits in a year or so.

      So the bottom line is that while I can easily see a path towards Sony winning this generation, I think it is far too early to tell and I think either console is a worthwhile platform. However, I wish both platforms would have put more investment into their GPUs to get something more comparable to the performance that higher end PC GPUs currently have available.

    3. Re:let's make "Elop" a verb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or "J.J. Abrahms had better not 'Elop' the franchise..."

      Well, it's already been Lucassed.

    4. Re:let's make "Elop" a verb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, I wish both platforms would have put more investment into their GPUs to get something more comparable to the performance that higher end PC GPUs currently have available.

      This would cause the price to skyrocket closer to what a custom built gaming pc costs to put together. Therefore defeating the only argument FOR consoles which holds any water at all. It's pretty clear that if you can play Minecraft on a Raspberry Pi that all the game developers (and their publisher overlords) are putting out tons of inefficient shit that requires way more horsepower than it should.

      But that's what you get when the marketing department runs the show. (Because digital entertainment publishers won't put up money for things they can't see printed out on pieces of paper...)

  25. Was reading about this in Seattle Times by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    After thinking about it, as someone who worked at Microsoft and has friends who work there, I think Elon has a very good idea there.

    Going off mission like Ballmer did the last decade may feel good, but it's the wrong direction.

    I may prefer LibreOffice or some other solution other friends are working on, but they really need to shake up the doom spiral that Microsoft is in, and get their heads back in gear.

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  26. Yes... by Junta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Evaluating Elop with respect to good/bad done to Nokia:
    -Good: ditching Symbian
    -Bad: Picking MS, the last place platform
    -Bad: Focusing on higher end, North American market and neglecting Nokia's thriving global market.

    Basically, the only measure by which Elop was 'good' would be microsoft's measurement of loyalty, willingness to sink his company for the sake of giving microsoft more of a chance.

    Just imagine if Nokia had been the provider of things like Lumia 520 but with Android on it....

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    1. Re:Yes... by tp_xyzzy · · Score: 1

      > -Bad: Picking MS, the last place platform

      Current marketshare isn't really relevant, since they haven't yet started their work. It takes lots of effort to get the marketshare up, but that's why they have large organisation. All those people need to have something to do, and improving windows phone market share is good task for them. We'll see how the market share improves as soon as they can create enough phones to match the number of phones they were creating with symbian.

    2. Re:Yes... by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      I can't mod you obviously but yes, if they'd sold off Symbian share like the other partners did and adopted something that sucks less (a long list) they would likely be better off today IMO.

    3. Re:Yes... by Tom · · Score: 1

      Basically, the only measure by which Elop was 'good' would be microsoft's measurement of loyalty, willingness to sink his company for the sake of giving microsoft more of a chance.

      And anyone who didn't expect that the day he took office at Nokia is a complete idiot who has never seen Microsoft doing business before.

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  27. Visual Studio for all platforms by spiffmastercow · · Score: 2

    Open VS to other platforms, provide a decent .NET implementation on those platforms, and support languages that weren't invented at MS. This, along with selling their enterprise software on other platforms, could make MS a lot of money.

    1. Re:Visual Studio for all platforms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Visual J# coming soon to a Studio near you!

    2. Re:Visual Studio for all platforms by tepples · · Score: 2

      I'd bet a resurrected J# would make it that much easier to port Android applications.

    3. Re:Visual Studio for all platforms by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      While a decent Java editor (and pluggable or switchable build system, so I can produce .NET or JRE or Dalvik binaries) I can certainly see that being nice. With that said, VS does support a number of non-MS languages; aside from the web stuff like HTML/CSS/JS, there's also IronPython and IronRuby, which were started externally but are now pretty official under MS.

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    4. Re:Visual Studio for all platforms by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      fuxk that. Open Visual Studio to other platforms, but provide a decent implementation using the native languages that are used on those platforms.

      There's no reason the C++ support in VS could equal that for C# or VB.NET, the reason it doesn't is because MS want to make .NET a 'easier' experience for RAD developers (ie their traditional VB coders) and don't want to spend the money on support for other languages - especially languages that can be used to transfer skills to other platforms where .NET doesn't run. VS isn't a developer tool, its a set of handcuffs chained to a Windows cage.

      But... if they did open VS up, to objective-C on macs, and C/C++ on Linux, then I think that would be wonderful. Its at times like this that I am really disappointed with the DoJ for not splitting MS up and letting the VS team compete on their own because they would undoubtedly have made VS for Linux and Mac instead of screwing around with all the now-unsupported failures dev div has left in their wake for the last 10 years.

  28. Himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He was and always will work for himself - most CEOs are pathological sociopaths, and have interest in no-ones benefit but their own.

    1. Re:Himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but if what you say is true, since he's a pathological sociopath and one of the biggest Microsoft shareholders he must have been working for Microsoft's (his own) interest.

  29. Is Thorsten on the short list? by tapi0 · · Score: 1

    Thorsten Heins is free at the moment. Not being entirely funny by thinking he'd do a good job, he'd inherited a problem and his actions, though ultimately futile, probably helped extend BBs life and put them in a better position to recover.

  30. Admitting defeat vs what ? by alexhs · · Score: 1

    By eliminating Bing and Xbox, Microsoft would [admit defeat] in the consumer realm.

    And you'd prefer them to not admit it and continue to pour money in bottomless pits ?
    Thinking about it, that sounds like a brilliant plan to get rid of Microsoft, but I'm not sure anyone of importance comes to SlashBI for the insight.

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    1. Re:Admitting defeat vs what ? by dottrap · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      Instead of worrying about the perceptions of success/defeat, how about actually making a product that is clearly profitable?

  31. office is profitable but for how long? by Wycliffe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Putting all your eggs in the Office camp seems very dangerous. Our office recently
    migrated to openoffice and never looked back. I use google docs at home. Both
    are currently weak and can only get better. Google has recently added office tools
    to android. I see standalone high dollar office suites as a dying breed. I personally
    would not double down on them. Same with high-end computer OSes, another one
    of Microsoft's cash cows. If microsoft wants to exist in 20 years they need to be in
    the tablet, smartphone, tv console, and other growing markets that continue to reduce
    the need for a full blown desktop at home. I know a lot of people who no longer have
    a desktop computer or see no need for one. This number will probably continue to
    grow as tablets/smartphones and roku/xbox type devices continue to add features.

    1. Re: office is profitable but for how long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Both are currently weak and can only get better. "

      I'm sold! Take my money now!

    2. Re: office is profitable but for how long? by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      "Both are currently weak and can only get better. "

      I'm sold! Take my money now!

      What money? The examples I mentioned are free and will likely remain free so
      microsoft's high-end projects are having to compete with both "free" and "good enough"

    3. Re:office is profitable but for how long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's an
      interesting
      point, but
      why the
      fixed width
      lines?

  32. With Elop's record by kawabago · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wouldn't trust Elop to keep a popsicle frozen. He'd sell off the freezer to save on energy and make his only product, a popsicle, more profitable.

  33. $25.4 million is more than a whiff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is a steaming pile

  34. Round up the usual suspects by TheloniousToady · · Score: 1

    ...which gives his 'strategic realignment' ... a whiff of self-interest.

    I'm shocked - shocked! - that any CEO would operate in his self-interest.

  35. Elop says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Purg Bing and X 'Box

  36. focusing on office would be bad by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    It used to be that MicroSoft defeated WordPerfect and they had the only usable office suite available, running on what at least 95% of potentially paying customers had as their only means to do office stuff on.

    These days, potentially paying customers use a plethora of devices, over half of which are totally not under control of MicroSoft, neither architecture or operating system, let alone business model. Many of these already offer quite capable alternatives to the MicroSoft office products, or free alternatives are readily available. With current document interoperability standards being forced by large groups of customers, vendor lock in using proprietary formats isn't much of an option for MicroSoft any more.

    Office software suites haven't really changed much in the last 10 years or so. You can type a letter, make up a document in a unique way that almost totally not looks like it will come out of a printer in infinite ways, pivot your tables in a spreadsheet, hook it up to a database and make boring presentations with the same sort of spiffy animations that we stopped using long ago. It's a dead horse, there's nothing exciting to build left and even your fridge has an office suite available for it in some app store.

    TL;DR, Office software is a hard market to compete in, even if you have a large user base. Betting the family fortune on maintaining that user base and milking lots of money out of them without having the benefits of alternative business models like google does, is at best a high risk bet and most likely a guarantee to fail.

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    1. Re:focusing on office would be bad by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      I think part of the reason Microsoft is slipping on the office suite is their insistence on tying their office tools to their operating system products. (The only exception of which I'm aware is Office on Mac.) If they dropped the OS and concentrated on apps, there'd be a lot more incentive to have Office on a variety of operating systems, rather than trying to force people into Winders so that they can use Office, which as a strategy is demonstrably not working anymore.

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  37. Elop CEO? I doubt MS board is that dumb. by powerpopolon · · Score: 2

    Even if Elop was staying loyal to Microsoft while working at Nokia, he failed them big time. Microsoft expected him to drive Windows Phone market share up, not to burn Nokia down.

    I find it hard to imagine the Microsoft board is dumb enough to view such an underachiever as a serious candidate for the CEO job. All these stories leaking to the media telling the contrary might just be made up to give the impression that the whole Elop / Nokia / Windows Phone story was not the tragic failure it really is, and that the current Nokia buyout plan is not a desperate move where they don't get anything of value, but have to do it because there is no other choice.

    1. Re:Elop CEO? I doubt MS board is that dumb. by dottrap · · Score: 1

      I'm often shocked how boards fail to do their due diligence.

      HP didn't see the flags of vendor financing problems at Lucent under Carly Fiorina's watch.
      Remember Yahoo CEO Scott Thompson who lied about his degree and nobody caught it?

    2. Re:Elop CEO? I doubt MS board is that dumb. by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Well, WP market share *is* up compared to where it was even a year ago, when Nokia was already churning out WP handsets, and much of that gain is on Nokia's strength. Not that this means it's a success, but it is squarely in third place and clawing at 10% market share in some key markets.

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  38. Dumbphone service at 80 percent off by tepples · · Score: 2

    Until more carriers start offering bargain-basement plans for Android phones, there will still be a market niche for dumbphones. Currently I pay $7 per month for a Virgin Mobile dumbphone; if I were to switch to a smartphone on the same carrier, my bill would rise to $35.

    1. Re:Dumbphone service at 80 percent off by 0123456 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have no interest in a phone I have to recharge every day or two which reports everything I do back to Google. So even if they had a 'bargain basement' plan for Android phones, I wouldn't be buying one.

    2. Re:Dumbphone service at 80 percent off by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      The question is, should that be the (ever shrinking and low margin) segment an industry leading company is concentrating on dominating? Or should they do what most others did and bail out of Symbian and gone with Android?

    3. Re:Dumbphone service at 80 percent off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why do you hate progress?

    4. Re:Dumbphone service at 80 percent off by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      It sounds like Android needs the phone call equivalent of user-agent spoofing. Carriers should never have any way of determining what sort of device is being used.

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    5. Re:Dumbphone service at 80 percent off by tepples · · Score: 1

      It sounds like Android needs the phone call equivalent of user-agent spoofing.

      Spoofing the IMEI (serial number) is a crime.

      Carriers should never have any way of determining what sort of device is being used.

      Other than that not all carriers are GSM. A CDMA2000 carrier, for instance, sees the device in the shop while it is being activated.

  39. Cripple and save at the same time? by RobertM1968 · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a wonderfully horrendous plan. Certain aspects, such as those designed to allow Microsoft to compete in non-Windows environments (if implemented properly) are definitely good ideas. Killing off divisions like the xBox division... not so much.

    It makes it seem like he's trying to both hurt them and save them at the same time - sadly, I don't think it'll get them anywhere.

    That's of course assuming that the speculation is more than just speculation (and he actually plans on doing such things).

  40. Burning platform v 2.0 by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Funny

    Let's put Windows in the line of fire

  41. Alright, in all seriousness by roc97007 · · Score: 2

    > A new Bloomberg report suggests that Stephen Elop, who's apparently on the short list of candidates to replace Steve Ballmer as Microsoft's CEO, would eliminate company projects such as Xbox and Bing while focusing resources on Office.

    Firstly this seems like wild conjecture to me, but let's say for the sake of argument that this is actually Elop's plan, and that he'd have the authority, personal power, and get the buy-in necessary to do all of this. (A huge leap of faith, but let's say it all happens.)

    Is this necessarily a bad thing, moving forward? The time where you could make huge amounts of money selling operating systems is past. We can all see that. The practice of tying all products irrevocably together to, I dunno, circle the wagons, and make other Microsoft income streams mandatory in order to participate in any other Microsoft income stream, also appears to becoming less and less effective.

    So, if you're going to sell software, what software is there left to sell? Why not drop (or spin off) the side products that aren't part of the company's core comptency, and also drop the infrastructure and operating system stuff (let other people do that for free) and concentrate on applications? I've felt for a long time that Microsoft's attempt to own everything is a conceit from a time that doesn't exist anymore, and will ultimately result in owning nothing. As an app developer, they could eck out a long term existence, although perhaps as a somewhat smaller company. But a smaller company that has long term survival prospects is a heck of a lot better than a huge company approaching a wall at speed.

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    1. Re:Alright, in all seriousness by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except the only real reason to buy Office is if you need 100% compatibility with the latest version of Office producing the latest version of Office files. For the rest of us, free software is good enough.

    2. Re:Alright, in all seriousness by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Except the only real reason to buy Office is if you need 100% compatibility with the latest version of Office producing the latest version of Office files. For the rest of us, free software is good enough.

      There is something to what you say. But the reason people only use Office because they *have* to, instead of (here's a new idea...) *wanting* to, is because that very monopoly meant that Microsoft did not need to make the product engaging. It's that part that would need to change. (Also, the pricing needs to be restructured.)

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  42. No ninth-gen Xbox means PS5 vs. SteamOS by tepples · · Score: 1

    If Xbox One were the last Xbox, that wouldn't necessarily hand PlayStation 5 the entire ninth-generation hardcore console market and allow Sony Computer Entertainment to extract monopoly rents from end users and game developers. The PlayStation 5 would still have to compete against SteamOS boxes with their deeply discounted games that run on both the TV and the desktop.

  43. Single digits??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Worldwide Mobile Phone Sales to End Users by
    Vendor in 2012 (Thousands of Units)
    Samsung 384,631.2 22.0%
    Nokia 333,938.0 19.1%
    Apple 130,133.2 7.5%
    ZTE 67,344.4

  44. Wrong carrier by tepples · · Score: 1

    on my Android phone, I have installed Bing

    A couple months ago, I tried to install the Bing app on my Nexus 7 tablet, and Google Play Store said my carrier wasn't supported. It's a Wi-Fi tablet, and my carrier is Xfinity. At the time, I ended up installing DuckDuckGo instead, which tended to force stop after five minutes of use. I checked again today, and Bing was available. Go figure.

  45. terrible idea by bravecanadian · · Score: 2

    Microsoft doesn't need to concentrate on Office. Microsoft needs to concentrate on integrating all these many pieces of the puzzle that they already have.

    They could do some kick ass stuff if they could make it easy to do all the things people would like to by having settings / media ownership and compatibility between all the different platforms and form factors.

    No one else has all the pieces that they do right now. If they could just stop infighting and head towards a common goal they could accomplish really cool stuff.

    1. Re:terrible idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      media center was awesome for this. I had my zune and I could record shows and sync them too it, the xbox integration was good with it too. Now they have tablets and phones it really could be quite amazing. I just dont understand why they let all that goodness go to shit :(

  46. Microsoft hater but come on! by worldthinker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've had a dislike for the company since the 90's. But I'm thankful to them for the job security I enjoyed supporting and maintaining their products in enterprises. But I come home at night to Mac and Linux systems.

    But seriously, Long term, Office and Windows are doomed. There is some interesting tech in Xbox Connect that could create some game changing product categories in enterprises such as Medical Tech etc. Bing, is the only thing that I can see that could even approach giving Google a ride but it's way too far behind. These 2 divisions should be spun off or at least unleashed (e.g. MSFT retains an ownership stake but takes them public) and run on a profitable basis (if they can). The bureaucracy at MSFT is killing innovation.

    The other interesting things MSFT is doing are their Azure platform and universal identity management. But a mistrustful tech community will hamper adoption of these products.

    1. Re:Microsoft hater but come on! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Windows and Office are, at worst, doomed in the way mainframes were. There's still a whole lot of them around, and IBM makes money off them, but they're pretty much irrelevant in the direction the industry goes, and IBM isn't thought of as a mainframe company.

      Microsoft can remain highly profitable for a long time to come, by concentrating on Windows and Office. They'll wind up out of the mainstream, but that's not the worst thing that could happen to them.

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  47. Google better hope that MS doesn't abandon Bing by realinvalidname · · Score: 2

    There was an interesting piece a few months back, What if Microsoft exited the search business?, arguing that the abandonment of Bing would lead to a near-immediate antitrust action against Google, either from the FTC or as a private action undertaken by Microsoft itself.

    It may be that Google needs Bing to hang around as plausible competition the same way that Microsoft needed Mac OS to soldier on in the late 90's as a putative competitor to Windows (and remember, Microsoft was still found to have engaged in illegal monopolistic practices anyways, something that Microsoft arguably never recovered from).

    1. Re:Google better hope that MS doesn't abandon Bing by Xtifr · · Score: 1

      One, merely having a monopoly is not illegal. You have to abuse your monopoly to be convicted under anti-trust. Two, the search market still has more than two players. Yahoo and Ask are still around, among others. And MS is unlikely to simply shutter Bing. They're more likely to sell it off to someone who isn't Google--like the aforementioned Yahoo or Ask. Bing is hardwired into too much stuff to simply shut it down.

  48. Truth be told... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems to me like he never left Microsoft. In the game of chess this pawn has just become a queen.

  49. Re: Would you really want that? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    If Windows dies off then what happens to the pc?

    Think your tablet that requires signed binaries and is drmed to the roof will boot linux?

    Nope its android time with playstore only with spyware.

  50. Re: Would you really want that? by jones_supa · · Score: 2

    Good point. Windows computers keep the free-to-tinker PC ecosystem alive which in turn allows setting up any kind of Linux installations that one wants.

  51. good point about Xbox Live by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    I hear you RE: Xbox live competitive advantage

    see, my dad is an old electronics guy from the Navy and he **loves** playing the Tiger Woods golf video game on the internet w/ his buddies all over the world...

    he doesn't give a shit about what plaform, what system, w/e...he just wants to play Tiger Woods Golf in co/op mode...

    I had to set him up w/ an Xbox Live account and teach him now to navigate around M$'s bullshit marketing on the Xbox Live Marketplace

    He would hate to have to switch systems and would endure a fair ammount of bother to avoid it...

    however, if the majority of his friends switch to PS4 then it's a foregone conclusion he will get a PS4 as well!!!!

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    1. Re:good point about Xbox Live by Rotag_FU · · Score: 1

      Hopefully your father won't be too distraught that the game will no longer be called Tiger Woods golf going forward. EA is terminating their contract with him. I don't know if it will just be called something like PGA Golf or if they will get another marque name to work with.

  52. symbian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like it and wish it was still being developed. Still using a symbian phone and with all the privacy crap with IOS and android I'm not looking to move away from the platform anytime soon even though the apps are now dated and not supported.

  53. "Abrams Effect" by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    I know we can't go around coining phrases willy-nilly but I think that article is right on...

    I can't stand Brett Ratner or his films but if he is iconic enough to warrant naming the Effect of [damaging sales by disparaging own products] after him, them I think we should consider "Abrams Effect"

    He screwed up Trek films & now he's set to screw of Star Wars too

    I'm a 'trekkie' i guess secretly, but i can appreciate Star Wars camp factor/space opera thing for what it is (and pretend George Lucas doesn't exist) /. tends towards Star Wars fans, but even if you hate Trek you can see how Abrams ruined Gene Roddenberry's concept of futurism. It was indeed revolutionary (& if he wanted to Roddenberry could have started a Scientology-like cult that ppl would buy into, IMHO) because of how he used a silly sci-fi program to expose very relevant problems in society...

    Star Wars isn't like that...but understand my point is that **the appeal** of Star Wars, beyond the effects and cool space battles, is something complex and not easily replicated. It's a fine esoteric line that the film has to walk, given Lucas's legacy, but it can be done, and done well IMHO. J.J. Abrams is definitely not the one to do it.

    Abram's M.O. is to take a beloved cult concept and remove all the uniqueness from it while simultaneously using high-level marketing to give the impression that his is a 'fan's filmmaker' who will preserve the unique complexities of a work while making it new visually.

    J.J. Abrams is a hack.

    I believe his filthy way is deserving of its own 'Effect' moniker. What do you think?

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    1. Re:"Abrams Effect" by gdshaw · · Score: 1

      For information, the Ratner Effect is named after Gerald Ratner, the former CEO of a British jewellery company, and has nothing to do with Brett Ratner.

      (Apologies if you knew this and there is some subtle humour that I'm missing.)

    2. Re:"Abrams Effect" by globaljustin · · Score: 1

      haha no I had no idea...i *def* thought it was Brett Ratner...see, I skimmed TFA...just read the part describing what it was...then moved on

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  54. Nokia ruined itself far before Elop came by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although selling the phone division to Microsoft is a bit wild, there isn't anybody here in Finland suggesting that Nokia would have been better off keeping Symbian alive. In fact, it is completely surprising how long the market remained interested in Symbian, the general opinion was that the sales decline of Symbian phones would have occurred a full year earlier. Surely, Elop did not make that decision by himself. There are those who think Meego would have been a hit, and killing that is attributed to Elop. Whether Meego would have brought better results is pure speculation.

  55. How to explain response to N9 then? by daboochmeister · · Score: 2

    If their OS work was terrible, then why did the N9 win design awards, and receive overwhelmingly positive reviews? Agreed that Symbian was showing its age (in spite of not being the dog of a seller that MS reputation mgmt drones imply - it still was growing in sales when Elop axe-murdered it), but MeeGo was in-house as well, and took the N9 to a position that Windows Phones have never matched, in terms of critical acclaim.

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  56. The correct strategy by RoccamOccam · · Score: 2

    Here's what they should do. Sell off the XBox division for a pretty good price. Then, after a few years, arrange for a former Microsoft Executive to be put in charge of the new company. He would then drive that company into the ground and arrange for Microsoft to re-buy the company for pennies on the dollar.

    Somehow, I just know that would work.

  57. Re: Would you really want that? by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

    If Windows dies off then what happens to the pc?

    ...we end up with operating system variants that are worth a damn (mainly because it'd be too effing expensive and time-consuming to start from scratch, so most would simply adapt Linux. Well, except one case where they'll just keep selling theirs with OSX...)

    Think your tablet that requires signed binaries and is drmed to the roof will boot linux?

    Tablet? I thought you were talking about the PC. Hell, in the tablet world, Windows is already a non-player at best.

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  58. Re: Would you really want that? by sconeu · · Score: 2

    "Secure" Boot says hello.

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  59. I'm glad I'm not buying an XBox 1 for Christmas by lord_mike · · Score: 1

    I can imagine the wonderful goodwill Microsoft will engender when their loyal XBox customers get suddenly left out in the cold. Microsoft won't sell XBox. They can't. There are too many windows OS and other intellectual property crucial to the Microsoft that they won't give up to a potential competitor. It's crazy to give up the XBox. Yes, it loses money. So does advertising. No one suggests that Microsoft cut advertising and marketing, yet the XBox is their biggest marketing tool available to them. Dumb. How do CEO's get these types of jobs. So many of them, like Elop, stink at what they do, yet they never have trouble finding work.

  60. Re: Would you really want that? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Can Gigabyte and Asus still make motherboards without Windows? Linux is too small.

    Tablets would take over then. The pc ecosystem you run Linux on was created for dos clones. Without a windows OSX will turn into ios

  61. .NET CF does not support DLR by tepples · · Score: 1

    there's also IronPython and IronRuby, which were started externally but are now pretty official under MS.

    Let me know when Python can be used in Xbox 360 games or apps for downlevel Windows Phone handsets. Right now, XNA on Xbox 360 and all third-party apps on Windows Phone 7 use the .NET Compact Framework, which lacks support for the Reflection.Emit module that all DLR languages use.

  62. Dramatic Fashion by zooblethorpe · · Score: 1

    Come on, you know better than that. It's pretty clear Microsoft will pick some dark-horse candidate with little to no experience to help them collapse the company in the most dramatic fashion possible.

    Clearly, then, the only possible choice is Lady Gaga.

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    1. Re:Dramatic Fashion by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Lady Gaga would probably do much better than most CEO's.
      She'd atleast try to make the products sellable.

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  63. Microsoft's relationship with XBOX confuses me by The_Revelation · · Score: 1

    I would have thought (as a non-owner) that the X-BOX represents one of MS' victories in the consumer space. I wonder sometimes if MS hadn't just made their phone UI more like X-BOX they would have had a highly successful product.

    And X-BOX represents an excellent PR opportunity through-out MS' range of products. It introduces consumers to a working, easy to use computer system that builds confidence in their product line and makes them relevant in every living room. I don't understand why companies keep hiring the same bad decision makers.

    1. Re:Microsoft's relationship with XBOX confuses me by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Yeah the premise of the article is all wrong, IMHO. Microsoft has buckets of money and doesn't need to sell off products. What they need is to create a niche for themselves in new, profitable markets. Having a broad product base to start from helps them get started on that. They need to hire a Steve Jobs, and the best suggestion I have heard is Gabe Newell.

  64. If Elop == CEO then Google Bothell Campus += 20000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just make sure someone gets the lights on the way out.

  65. MS still have an incredible strength... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many people use Windows, I guess still > 80% of computer users. If MS can leverage the fact that people are familiar with their OS/UI, and use this to gain market share in other areas (home entertainment center - Xbox, smartphones and tablets), they could easily recover significantly. All is not lost. This is the direction they have taken with Windows 8, sure it sucks, they might get it right eventually. It could still work out for them..

    1. Re:MS still have an incredible strength... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Except that with Windows 8, Microsoft did not leverage the fact that people are familiar with their UI, but instead they forced a different UI even on users on the one platform where they are the market leader.

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  66. Drop the baggage Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Microsoft needs to drop the baggage that is holding it back. Stop trying to chase Google and Apple on very late and losing projects like Bing, Internet Explorer, Surface tablet and focus on successful ones that actually make money. Bing will never make you money and IE is free and why waste money on free? After all, I never heard anyone say they bought Windows because of Internet Explorer. Except maybe those enterprise people stuck with IE and XP. Xbox should be spun off as the entertainment arm of Microsoft. Unfortunately Elop fails at realizing that Windows phones are going nowhere too and needs to stop the act like one day Windows phones will have more then single digit market share.

  67. i said that in a comment on tdb yesterday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with a lot less words. should i sue?

  68. Just close the damn company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And make the world a better place!
    Microsoft can only compete under an monopoly! Perhaps not Windows anymore but most business applications is still Windows only, for now.

  69. Re: Would you really want that? by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    If Windows dies off right now, then for a few years we'll be using old versions of Windows or modern Linux version with compatibility and usability issues.
    After those few years, all the extra money that's now going into Linux (driver) development will have paid off and Linux (and probably BSD and some others) will be as mature as Windows was a few years back.

    Just my prediction; I don't think we'll get a chance to find out if it's correct.

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  70. might as well go back to feudalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because it sure does smell like, taste like, and act like feudalism. How can a corporation be so stupid and incompetent that it only has one "heir" to the throne?