Your correct. But if he hadn't "cut and pasted directly from Seagate's own product description," then someone would have questioned his sources. Win some loose some.
Guess it all depends on the hardware. I've not used the Escalage, nor have I used IDE-RAID 5, or 10. I do agree with IBM SCSI drives though. They are just flat out unreliable. Have several of them in Toshiba Magna servers. I also have Quantuim, Seagate & Fujitsu SCSI drives in my HP NetServer Pro's. Both the Toshiba's & HP's use the Mylex 160 RAID controllers. Lets just say I've had 4 of 8 IBM SCSI drives go tits up in less than 3 years while all the other servers are still going strong with only 1 failure in 5 years out of 32 drives...
So maybe I should check out that Escalade card. Just for myself of course. Our company doesn't order ANY servers or equipment if it doesn't come with an on site warranty FROM the manufacturer. They aren't to up on custom built servers and such. Get into custom hardware and our software vendors act like they are working on Typhoid Mary or something. It is their money and keeps me from getting that late night/weekend call that the server is dead NOW FIX IT. Much easier to go ok, call HP and meet rep for him/her to fix it then I restore from tape. Lets time, less hassle.
All boils down to what you value, your data, your time, or both:) Since it's my time and THIER money SCSI...SCSI....ON SITE ON SITE:)
Maybe, just maybe, 12 years from now, when HP/Compaq, or other high end server manufactures are willing to put the same warranty on the server with IDE-RAID as they do with SCSI. Then and only then I may be able to persuade purchasing to go with it. Till then it is mearly "new technology" that looks/sounds and may even be good. It just isn't a proven reliable/valuable technology.
I would not suggest it to the average Joe, unless they run Windows...
I've used IDE RAID since I purchased an Abit KT7-RAID. I've used the HighPoint HPT370 onboard as well as an Adaptec 1200A, the HPT-372/372A and now I'm using a Promise IDE RAID on an MSI KT3 Ultra.
With all the buzz words in this article for the techno geek, shuffle your buttocks to closest place to get one of these bad boys, spend that $100 bucks. If that controller benchmarks better than the SAME IDE DRIVES setup on your normal IDE controller using Linux RIAD..... well/. will pay for your controller.
I've went so far as to purchase 4 identical drives (as close as I could for your obssesive perfectionist boneheads). 4 Maxtor 40G ATA-100 7200 RPM drives, put them on the IDE RAID (RAID-0) controller and benchmarked them using SiSoft. Put the same drive on Mandrake 8.2/Redhat 7.3 and it showed higher drive throughput under Linux (using hdparm -Tt/dev/md0) than it did in Windows98SE/ME/2000/XP. And if anyone HAS used IDE RAID on Windows every last one of the controllers have the same problems. They CAN'T maximize the throughput without the lost of stability & reliability.
For those who've lose multiple drives in IDE RAID, your victim to another reason IDE will never overtake SCSI in ANY insured business. HEAT. If you can't take the HEAT get the hell outta the real server market.
Those are the facts from someone who USES what the article "tests"
It's kind of like the warning labels on the items we buy. Somewhere, someone has decided that Lysol(tm) would taste good on fries. Hence, the "For external use only" label.
If there wasn't some stinky, socially dysfunctional, overweight IT person that offended others by their general odor, personal hygiene or lack of self-esteem. We wouldn't HAVE the dress code dictated to us.
Of all these comments I'm sure there are some who were hired "sight unseen" and by credentials alone. But this is NOT the norm, a suit & a tie, no matter how much you bitch and moan IS the norm. Just as common as references and resumes!
I don't have any prolems with the system other than games use to freeze alot if you played them for say over an hour. Isn't heat because I water cool my system and graphics card. I haven't mod'ed any of the system board, no over clocking of the video nothing. I'm running an Abit KR7A-133RAID & AthlonXP2100. I've had the same problem on Asus, MSI, Abit etc..... All the same hardware on and Intel Chipset...not even one problem...even....
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But how about we get AGP4X working....Come on, out off all the/. crowd, a good part of you are running AMD CPU's. There is also a good chance that the AMD CPU is running on a VIA chipset. Anyone that does will know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Windows/Linux doesn't matter you can set your card to AGP4X but "May run into instabilities or other irregularities"....They (Nvidia/VIA/MicroSoft/Linux) all say to put it at AGP2X "Because there is very little difference between the two and that the frame loss is minute"
So do I
A) Believe the above, and think their email's & tech support are liars B) Believe tey above is load of crap and all those crashes I have with AGP4X is a figment of my imagination. That when I set it to AGP2X they go away and 3DMark 2001 show less than 20 points difference between AGP2X & AGP4X
Just think with AGP8X, I can finally cause a system seizure on more than one freakin $399.99 card. And in more than one OS! Yeah!
I'm currently going round and round with Creative Labs. Had a Audigy Platinum loose all it's Firewire ports as well as my Live drive. I send it in (of course at my cost) only to receive an el cheapo card in return. Not gold connectors and connectors so close together you can't hook up a GameVoice. So I call them tell them that if I wanted a cheap one I wouldn't have paid $199.99+tax for one. At which point they tell me "We are so sorry sir, just add notes to this new RMA and send the old card back. Explain that you want your Platinum card" and all will be well. Nay....I return from great week in Seattle, hoping to see at least a refurbished Audigy Platinum! What I got was the SAME cheap p.o.s value card, along with a note that stated Dir Sir, we have received your card (Model & Serial) and have replaced it with an exact model you sent. Don't that just bite ya in the Customer Service rear! Now I have to call them back, talk horribly (cause if I didn't use this as some form of therapy) or I wouldn't get the money I had vested in RMA's back!! Lets just hope they do the correct thing on Monday!
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Your correct. But if he hadn't "cut and pasted directly from Seagate's own product description," then someone would have questioned his sources. Win some loose some.
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Guess it all depends on the hardware. I've not used the Escalage, nor have I used IDE-RAID 5, or 10. I do agree with IBM SCSI drives though. They are just flat out unreliable. Have several of them in Toshiba Magna servers. I also have Quantuim, Seagate & Fujitsu SCSI drives in my HP NetServer Pro's. Both the Toshiba's & HP's use the Mylex 160 RAID controllers. Lets just say I've had 4 of 8 IBM SCSI drives go tits up in less than 3 years while all the other servers are still going strong with only 1 failure in 5 years out of 32 drives...
:) Since it's my time and THIER money SCSI...SCSI....ON SITE ON SITE :)
So maybe I should check out that Escalade card. Just for myself of course. Our company doesn't order ANY servers or equipment if it doesn't come with an on site warranty FROM the manufacturer. They aren't to up on custom built servers and such. Get into custom hardware and our software vendors act like they are working on Typhoid Mary or something. It is their money and keeps me from getting that late night/weekend call that the server is dead NOW FIX IT. Much easier to go ok, call HP and meet rep for him/her to fix it then I restore from tape. Lets time, less hassle.
All boils down to what you value, your data, your time, or both
Maybe, just maybe, 12 years from now, when HP/Compaq, or other high end server manufactures are willing to put the same warranty on the server with IDE-RAID as they do with SCSI. Then and only then I may be able to persuade purchasing to go with it. Till then it is mearly "new technology" that looks/sounds and may even be good. It just isn't a proven reliable/valuable technology.
I would not suggest it to the average Joe, unless they run Windows...
/. will pay for your controller.
/dev/md0) than it did in Windows98SE/ME/2000/XP. And if anyone HAS used IDE RAID on Windows every last one of the controllers have the same problems. They CAN'T maximize the throughput without the lost of stability & reliability.
I've used IDE RAID since I purchased an Abit KT7-RAID. I've used the HighPoint HPT370 onboard as well as an Adaptec 1200A, the HPT-372/372A and now I'm using a Promise IDE RAID on an MSI KT3 Ultra.
With all the buzz words in this article for the techno geek, shuffle your buttocks to closest place to get one of these bad boys, spend that $100 bucks. If that controller benchmarks better than the SAME IDE DRIVES setup on your normal IDE controller using Linux RIAD..... well
I've went so far as to purchase 4 identical drives (as close as I could for your obssesive perfectionist boneheads). 4 Maxtor 40G ATA-100 7200 RPM drives, put them on the IDE RAID (RAID-0) controller and benchmarked them using SiSoft. Put the same drive on Mandrake 8.2/Redhat 7.3 and it showed higher drive throughput under Linux (using hdparm -Tt
For those who've lose multiple drives in IDE RAID, your victim to another reason IDE will never overtake SCSI in ANY insured business. HEAT. If you can't take the HEAT get the hell outta the real server market.
Those are the facts from someone who USES what the article "tests"
It's kind of like the warning labels on the items we buy. Somewhere, someone has decided that Lysol(tm) would taste good on fries. Hence, the "For external use only" label.
If there wasn't some stinky, socially dysfunctional, overweight IT person that offended others by their general odor, personal hygiene or lack of self-esteem. We wouldn't HAVE the dress code dictated to us.
Of all these comments I'm sure there are some who were hired "sight unseen" and by credentials alone. But this is NOT the norm, a suit & a tie, no matter how much you bitch and moan IS the norm. Just as common as references and resumes!
I don't have any prolems with the system other than games use to freeze alot if you played them for say over an hour. Isn't heat because I water cool my system and graphics card. I haven't mod'ed any of the system board, no over clocking of the video nothing. I'm running an Abit KR7A-133RAID & AthlonXP2100. I've had the same problem on Asus, MSI, Abit etc.....
All the same hardware on and Intel Chipset...not even one problem...even....
But how about we get AGP4X working....Come on, out off all the /. crowd, a good part of you are running AMD CPU's. There is also a good chance that the AMD CPU is running on a VIA chipset. Anyone that does will know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Windows/Linux doesn't matter you can set your card to AGP4X but "May run into instabilities or other irregularities"....They (Nvidia/VIA/MicroSoft/Linux) all say to put it at AGP2X "Because there is very little difference between the two and that the frame loss is minute"
So do I
A) Believe the above, and think their email's & tech support are liars
B) Believe tey above is load of crap and all those crashes I have with AGP4X is a figment of my imagination. That when I set it to AGP2X they go away and 3DMark 2001 show less than 20 points difference between AGP2X & AGP4X
Just think with AGP8X, I can finally cause a system seizure on more than one freakin $399.99 card. And in more than one OS! Yeah!
I'm currently going round and round with Creative Labs. Had a Audigy Platinum loose all it's Firewire ports as well as my Live drive. I send it in (of course at my cost) only to receive an el cheapo card in return. Not gold connectors and connectors so close together you can't hook up a GameVoice. So I call them tell them that if I wanted a cheap one I wouldn't have paid $199.99+tax for one. At which point they tell me "We are so sorry sir, just add notes to this new RMA and send the old card back. Explain that you want your Platinum card" and all will be well. Nay....I return from great week in Seattle, hoping to see at least a refurbished Audigy Platinum! What I got was the SAME cheap p.o.s value card, along with a note that stated Dir Sir, we have received your card (Model & Serial) and have replaced it with an exact model you sent. Don't that just bite ya in the Customer Service rear! Now I have to call them back, talk horribly (cause if I didn't use this as some form of therapy) or I wouldn't get the money I had vested in RMA's back!! Lets just hope they do the correct thing on Monday!