Macs are great for running Microsoft products and they make the fastest PCs on the planet. You can be sure your protected with enhanced DRM with products like iPod. Why not go with the inventor and master of the graphical user interface? Let's face it, Linux just can't support Office and Internet Explorer like Apple can plus it still runs great open source software like Apache.
Just buy a Mac:-)
Thanks(?) to wine I can run Office and IE in Linux. Unlike our Mac co-workers, I can actually use Visio though. My Mac usin co-workers gotta go to a Windows kiosk to do their timesheet because IE on Mac can't render it properly. My Linux box running IE has no issues. Using MS Apps on Linux is easy, and even easier with Crossover. Stop spreadin the fud.
Truth be told if I didn't get so much crap in Visio and PowerPoint I'd just stick with my good ol OpenOffice.org, which more than fits all my Office needs.
The only thing Linux has going for it is droves of savvy users. What's to prevent a user from running an arbitrary binary which places a trojan into ~ and adds a line to.profile to execute itself? A chmod command? If the user has to do it all of the time then doing it once more will not prevent the problem, and you've just created a perfect zombie for spamming and DDoS.
Also even if cisco did release the code for its routers, it's architecture is so specialized that you need quite expensive machinery to even get it compiled, so it wouldn't enjoy the massive development base that linux has.
The IOS is not compiled on some fancy machine, it is compiled on FreeBSD servers using plain ol gcc w/ cross compiler functions (Correct me if I am wrong, but a few of my buddies are Cisco employees, and that's the proces they told me.) They don't build an ubber router and retrofit it with compilers to build their software.
I'm a sysadmin for a 3 large clusters in the same league, we use stackable 48 port Nortel switches. Each switch is 1u, and the interconnects don't use a separate port. The switches have wildly expensive support options, however because it just works we've never had to pay for support on them.
We use to have Foundry ourselves, but their switches were crap, they would suddenly become dumb hubs and lose their ip, etc.
We tried HP, but found their interface cumbersome and unfamiliar with weird networking related issues that would pop up.
In this case, earthlink is merely pointing out the fact that SIP enables two computers to talk to one-another behind across opaque networks. The relevant applications of this revolve around VoIP, Video Conferencing, and yes, 1-to-1 data exchange based on a priorly established relationship.
Maybe finally someone will make an IM client that can actually transfer files behind a nat box without this bullshit port forwarding. ..
If somebody writes a LSB compliant application that you want to run at home on your Debian or Gentoo or {insert your favorite here} distro, LSB certification suddenly becomes very important to you. The whole idea is that developers write their applications to the LSB spec instead of worrying about particular distros.
*SARCASM* Yes, because LSB Compliant software goes online to make sure that your current distro has paid it's dues and is still certified . . . *SARCASM*
LSB is just a bunch of versions of libs, utils and things expected to be on an LSB system + layout. Nothing prevents you from running an LSB binary on a non-LSB system, so long as you have all the correct libs and a few symlinks.
If you're running Gentoo or Debian, it's probably not outside of your abilities to get the right versions installed. Doesn't necessarily make it easy, but still doable.
Spammers have money, smtp-tls will not make it any harder for them to spam. Only way to stop spammers would be to whitelist-only e-mail and reject everything else.
Even then, users with worms or malware will be sending out spam as themselves. In otherwords, there is no way to stop spam with the infrastructure we have today! We can definately reduce it with simple stuff like Vipuls Razor and Spamassassin, but that's about as good as it gets.
What needs to happen is isp's need to block all outgoing smtp connections except to their own mail server by default. This mail server needs to then monitor for too many outgoing connections per minute or hour.
Then mail admins will have to run a smarthost configuration to the isp mail server. If this is not adequate for the mail admins server, they will need to be registered with their isp to get outgoing port 25 access. This will require authenticating a contact person by either Government Issued ID.
The list of authenticated 'blocked' mail administrators will then be put on a web site with a copy of their Government Issued ID (address and all) for all to see. Users on this list should be blocked from being a registered mail administrator for 7 years, like bankruptcy. This list should be shared and accessible by all isp's, that way all spammers are cataloged and dealt with.
wow, I've never seen the name EDS in the same paragraph as the word fix before . . . except when it went more like I had to fix x & y because of that damn EDS consultant!
Do you even realize we're not talking about domain registration?
Verisign, before buying NetSol, was only in the business of selling SSL Certs. Now, I don't know about you but the cheapest SSL Cert's I've seen are fifty from www.freessl.com.
I am not the parent poster, but allow me to respond.
If you run IE you have a security hole.
He could have done a 98Lite type install that removes Internet Explorer. No IE, check!
If I remember my 98SE days correctly, there were a fair share of security updates for that OS as well.
I believe he is referring to remote Administrator exploits. These don't really exist on 98, because you can actually remove "Microsoft Networking" from the network control panel and be online with 0 ports listening!
Imagine that, no way in. Of course you're still vulnerable to local exploits, but you will not be getting hit with any worms or other self-replicating malware!
Nice try...but it isn't the vendor providing the support:
"It is not a supported project of Red Hat, Inc. although Red Hat, Inc. does provide some support services for it."
How about a third party vendor such as progeny. With open source, you can get third party vendors, you can do it yourself with the source or you can get resource from community projects such as fedoralegacy. When Microsoft EOL'd NT4.0, it was done. No second chances, you either migrate and risk incompatibility with your code or stick with what you have and worry about not being able to recover the system due to lack of drivers for a newer machine, not to mention viruses.
Just admit it. You hate Microsoft. It's better than pretending that you're objective.
No I don't. I get tons of money supporting customers with Microsoft products. Supporting Microsoft has always been a fast and easy way for me to get cash on the side. And believe me, there is never any shortage of work. . .
Most corp. users don't configure their e-mail personally, it is done by a sysadmin or pre-configured when they arrive to work. A vast majority of home users use webmail's such as gmail, etc.
If word got around that MS was going to change the behaviour of Outlook to this, I doubt a great many corps will change over to this new Outlook. Many companies are still out there using NT4/Office97. Even if they did upgrade, it wouldn't be without first disabling this via a policy. Sure home users will get spooked, but nothing is changed at Microsoft without first considering how major corps will react.
I only use IE when I am *required* to do so, but there's the rub: there are too many things that do not work unless you use IE. The user agent switcher is nice, but it doesn't always work.
For irony's sake, I'll list the biggest offender (in so many ways) in my life: *IBM*'s Lotus Notes.
Mine is the Deltek Time Collection App. I work for a SysAdmin company, that mostly specializes in Unix:( . ..
However it's been on Mozilla's bugzilla for years and still remains unconfirmed. Thank god for WINE, because I would hate to have a Windows machine in my office.
While the competition is good for lowering prices in some of our cities (3.0/384 DSL is L.A. is as low as $23.95) it's a hindrance to setting up a unified network.
I live in LA and got Charter. I have 3mb down/256kb up for 39.99. Who provides 3mb/384kb in LA?
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Macs are great for running Microsoft products and they make the fastest PCs on the planet. You can be sure your protected with enhanced DRM with products like iPod. Why not go with the inventor and master of the graphical user interface? Let's face it, Linux just can't support Office and Internet Explorer like Apple can plus it still runs great open source software like Apache.
:-)
Just buy a Mac
Thanks(?) to wine I can run Office and IE in Linux. Unlike our Mac co-workers, I can actually use Visio though. My Mac usin co-workers gotta go to a Windows kiosk to do their timesheet because IE on Mac can't render it properly. My Linux box running IE has no issues. Using MS Apps on Linux is easy, and even easier with Crossover. Stop spreadin the fud.
Truth be told if I didn't get so much crap in Visio and PowerPoint I'd just stick with my good ol OpenOffice.org, which more than fits all my Office needs.
Your right, it is cross platform
$ uname -a
Linux totoro 2.4.21-20.ELsmp #1 SMP Thu Sep 2 17:07:30 PDT 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
$
Scanning for vulnerabilites...
Your computer may be vulnerable. Please update.
Yikes, I'll be back, gotta update my system . . .
There is an entire guide on unattended.msfn.org describing this exact process on the Windoze side. on Linux just simply use kickstarts post scripts.
The only thing Linux has going for it is droves of savvy users. What's to prevent a user from running an arbitrary binary which places a trojan into ~ and adds a line to .profile to execute itself? A chmod command? If the user has to do it all of the time then doing it once more will not prevent the problem, and you've just created a perfect zombie for spamming and DDoS.
noexec mounted file systems . . .
Also even if cisco did release the code for its routers, it's architecture is so specialized that you need quite expensive machinery to even get it compiled, so it wouldn't enjoy the massive development base that linux has.
The IOS is not compiled on some fancy machine, it is compiled on FreeBSD servers using plain ol gcc w/ cross compiler functions (Correct me if I am wrong, but a few of my buddies are Cisco employees, and that's the proces they told me.) They don't build an ubber router and retrofit it with compilers to build their software.
I'm a sysadmin for a 3 large clusters in the same league, we use stackable 48 port Nortel switches. Each switch is 1u, and the interconnects don't use a separate port. The switches have wildly expensive support options, however because it just works we've never had to pay for support on them.
We use to have Foundry ourselves, but their switches were crap, they would suddenly become dumb hubs and lose their ip, etc.
We tried HP, but found their interface cumbersome and unfamiliar with weird networking related issues that would pop up.
Cisco's been rock solid, but very expensive.
In this case, earthlink is merely pointing out the fact that SIP enables two computers to talk to one-another behind across opaque networks. The relevant applications of this revolve around VoIP, Video Conferencing, and yes, 1-to-1 data exchange based on a priorly established relationship.
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Maybe finally someone will make an IM client that can actually transfer files behind a nat box without this bullshit port forwarding. .
Here's hoping.
Try blocking port80, that should get most of them. If that doesn't work, try port 21 as well.
As a NASA Employee I gotta say that the average NASA employee probably has half as many brain cells as the average american . . .
It's still part of the Government you know.
If somebody writes a LSB compliant application that you want to run at home on your Debian or Gentoo or {insert your favorite here} distro, LSB certification suddenly becomes very important to you. The whole idea is that developers write their applications to the LSB spec instead of worrying about particular distros.
*SARCASM* Yes, because LSB Compliant software goes online to make sure that your current distro has paid it's dues and is still certified . . . *SARCASM*
LSB is just a bunch of versions of libs, utils and things expected to be on an LSB system + layout. Nothing prevents you from running an LSB binary on a non-LSB system, so long as you have all the correct libs and a few symlinks.
If you're running Gentoo or Debian, it's probably not outside of your abilities to get the right versions installed. Doesn't necessarily make it easy, but still doable.
Spammers have money, smtp-tls will not make it any harder for them to spam. Only way to stop spammers would be to whitelist-only e-mail and reject everything else.
Even then, users with worms or malware will be sending out spam as themselves. In otherwords, there is no way to stop spam with the infrastructure we have today! We can definately reduce it with simple stuff like Vipuls Razor and Spamassassin, but that's about as good as it gets.
What needs to happen is isp's need to block all outgoing smtp connections except to their own mail server by default. This mail server needs to then monitor for too many outgoing connections per minute or hour.
Then mail admins will have to run a smarthost configuration to the isp mail server. If this is not adequate for the mail admins server, they will need to be registered with their isp to get outgoing port 25 access. This will require authenticating a contact person by either Government Issued ID.
The list of authenticated 'blocked' mail administrators will then be put on a web site with a copy of their Government Issued ID (address and all) for all to see. Users on this list should be blocked from being a registered mail administrator for 7 years, like bankruptcy. This list should be shared and accessible by all isp's, that way all spammers are cataloged and dealt with.
wow, I've never seen the name EDS in the same paragraph as the word fix before . . . except when it went more like I had to fix x & y because of that damn EDS consultant!
Do you even realize we're not talking about domain registration?
Verisign, before buying NetSol, was only in the business of selling SSL Certs. Now, I don't know about you but the cheapest SSL Cert's I've seen are fifty from www.freessl.com.
300 dollars a year to verisign . . .
I am not the parent poster, but allow me to respond.
If you run IE you have a security hole.
He could have done a 98Lite type install that removes Internet Explorer. No IE, check!
If I remember my 98SE days correctly, there were a fair share of security updates for that OS as well.
I believe he is referring to remote Administrator exploits. These don't really exist on 98, because you can actually remove "Microsoft Networking" from the network control panel and be online with 0 ports listening!
Imagine that, no way in. Of course you're still vulnerable to local exploits, but you will not be getting hit with any worms or other self-replicating malware!
Or, the server might be IMAP, and then the hijack software has to include an engine to send through IMAP.
You can't send e-mail through imap, it doesn't have any outgoing features. This is why you still need an smtp server configured when you use imap.
Nice try...but it isn't the vendor providing the support:
"It is not a supported project of Red Hat, Inc. although Red Hat, Inc. does provide some support services for it."
How about a third party vendor such as progeny. With open source, you can get third party vendors, you can do it yourself with the source or you can get resource from community projects such as fedoralegacy. When Microsoft EOL'd NT4.0, it was done. No second chances, you either migrate and risk incompatibility with your code or stick with what you have and worry about not being able to recover the system due to lack of drivers for a newer machine, not to mention viruses.
Just admit it. You hate Microsoft. It's better than pretending that you're objective.
No I don't. I get tons of money supporting customers with Microsoft products. Supporting Microsoft has always been a fast and easy way for me to get cash on the side. And believe me, there is never any shortage of work. . .
Where can I find security patches for RedHat 7? RedHat 8? RedHat 9? Fedora Core 1?
http://www.fedoralegacy.org/
Then again, I just went from Gentoo 1.4 to Gentoo 2004.1, and I seem to recall RedHat skipped from 3 to 6 or something like that.
No, that would be slackware.
http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/redhat/linux/
If you look there, you'll see a v3, 4 and 5!
Most corp. users don't configure their e-mail personally, it is done by a sysadmin or pre-configured when they arrive to work. A vast majority of home users use webmail's such as gmail, etc.
If word got around that MS was going to change the behaviour of Outlook to this, I doubt a great many corps will change over to this new Outlook. Many companies are still out there using NT4/Office97. Even if they did upgrade, it wouldn't be without first disabling this via a policy. Sure home users will get spooked, but nothing is changed at Microsoft without first considering how major corps will react.
I only use IE when I am *required* to do so, but there's the rub: there are too many things that do not work unless you use IE. The user agent switcher is nice, but it doesn't always work.
:( . . .
For irony's sake, I'll list the biggest offender (in so many ways) in my life: *IBM*'s Lotus Notes.
Mine is the Deltek Time Collection App. I work for a SysAdmin company, that mostly specializes in Unix
However it's been on Mozilla's bugzilla for years and still remains unconfirmed. Thank god for WINE, because I would hate to have a Windows machine in my office.
While the competition is good for lowering prices in some of our cities (3.0/384 DSL is L.A. is as low as $23.95) it's a hindrance to setting up a unified network.
I live in LA and got Charter. I have 3mb down/256kb up for 39.99. Who provides 3mb/384kb in LA?
Shit, I'll tell you man janswebring.com is worth the $20 with all the huge videos for download. . .
I could spend days on it and not have everything I want!
Although not always supported, sarcasm is a known type of humor.
You mean there is an OS out there that IE is not available for?!?!?!