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Get Rid of Internet Explorer - Browse Happy!
Matt writes "BrowseHappy not only tells us why IE is unsafe, but also provides "switcher" stories of people that stopped using IE and switched to a safer browser. This campaign is not so much against IE, but for the use of safer and more user-friendly browsers."
remove the horrible color scheme
Need I say more?
Not even one post and it's slashdotted... Maybe it's a problem with my browser?
My eyes! Ze goggles, zey do nothing!
please put all Firefox/Opera/Mozilla/etc stories below this line
____ _ _ _ ____________
but seriously you are preaching to the choir here, you think we (and our families/friends) dont know about Mozilla.org yet ?
i have dumped ie (and outlook, blech.) for mozilla and my computer has never been more gooder.
-knowles
I'd be happy if browsers like Firefox forced MS to at least make IE a little better in terms of proper CSS support, lockups, holes, tabs, etc. But probably it'd be best if Firefox got something like a 30% market share that way they can make their tiny extensions or ignore some of the standards. Web's still the future people.
why run from Vincenzo?
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:eAw_5YZf-icJ: browsehappy.com/
Ugh,
Havent we talked about this enough allready?
YES IE SUXS!, and move on to mozilla, but the general public
A. Dont Care.
B. Not technically inclined enough to do it.
C. Think changing wont help any.
This campaign is not so much against IE, but for the use of safer and more user-friendly browsers.
So it's against IE.
Banu
The headline gives the impression that this is about how to actually rid windows of IE (Possible in 9x/me, but doesn't seem to be in 2k/xp). Sadly, in actuality it's just encouraging people to not use it.
They got a front-page slashdot story.
*crash*
Quack, quack.
... need a porn friendly browser!
This campaign is not so much against IE, but for the use of safer and more user-friendly browsers.
Yeah, right. This is rhetoric nonsense. Of course it's "against IE", if it's for the use of a better browser. If you're making a case for something, it - at the very least - implies that the item it's comparing it to is inferior in some way. Yes, this is a case against IE.
Don't say foolish things like this just to seem like you're not partial. You are. There's nothing wrong with being partial, when your partiality is based off of sound logical reasoning.
~/ssh slashdot.org ssh: connect to host slashdot.org port 22: too many beers
browse happy quotes a bunch of articles, none of these articles really get into too much detail. As it is Firefox 0.9+ is pretty buggy, all of the bugs I have found thus far have been cosmetic and easily fixed, however if the obvious cosmetic bugs have left in, I am certain there are plenty of non-cosmetic exploitable issues in it.
I've always found the IE just works. I agree that the security issues are a problem but they are slowly getting worked out...
The anti-microsoftism here is tiring...
Firefox locks up all the time when browsing Slashdot. Bugger.
I work for a decently sized bank data processing center. I know that our vendor we use for the core part of our applications and servers will only support Microsoft IE, mainly because they use a lot of .asp for their online compononents. A few banks have received word about the FCC declaring IE full of bugs, problems, and unsafe for most uses; these banks started asking about support for "other" browsers, and received word that there is no support planned anytime soon for any other browser other than IE.
YOU'RE WINNER !
Another lame blog
I use Windows because there's software that I can't run under Linux.
And I use Explorer because there are websites that don't render properly under anything else. Sure, it's bad design to create your website such that it only works under IE, but that's really not my concern; I just want the content and the pretty pictures.
My machine is secure. I'd sooner have an insecure browser than does what I need it to do than a secure browser than doesn't.
www.kitchengeek.com -- Nosh for
This is off-topic but i saw the following line
at the end of this page
Heisengberg might have been here
The correct name would be "Heisengberg" - you stupid slashdot editors.
I only use IE when I am *required* to do so, but there's the rub: there are too many things that do not work unless you use IE. The user agent switcher is nice, but it doesn't always work.
For irony's sake, I'll list the biggest offender (in so many ways) in my life: *IBM*'s Lotus Notes.
I didn't get to read the article, but I'm assuming it's about pre-SP2 IE. IMHO SP2 IE is just as good as Firefox in terms of security. If it had tabbed browsing, I'd use it all the time.
World is too IE centric.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
I got caught with a trojan while using Firefox with popup blocking enabled. I had switched to Firefox to prevent this exact occurence, and yet I still got nailed, even with a hardware firewall installed. Firefox is certainly not the 100% foolproof panacea most are touting it to be. Every day I'll get at least one popup (which doesn't get blocked) that has to be shut down via task manager and not clicked on for fear of it having a booby trapped 'close button' that really installs something.
Do people wonder why we can't attract more women to Computer Science... ?
I'm certainly not going to share this with any women as long as the switching stories only feature guys. This hopefully a) wasn't done on purpose and b) is going to be changed really soon.
Information: "I want to be anthropomorphized"
Does anyone recall what percent of slashdot page views are ie?
I feel like a Dutch boy plugging his finger in the proverbial leaking dikes.
IE vulnerabilities are dime a dozen, that I could well be a thousandaire (just doesn't ring right, uh?) Latest one is the drag-n-drop exploit. In fact, it becomes a down outright security risk just to have the blue E icon available on your desktop and startup menu.
So, I deleted the blue E icon thereby forcing the end-user to get exposed to Mozilla and Firefox.
They too went home and switched as well.
Looks like the groundswell support is brewing here. I wonder if this is also true elsewhere.
All about Heisenberg.
If you don't like it, drop the "it." infront of slashdot.org instead of complaining in public.
I knwo for a fact we put my stepmom on Firefox and all of a sudden she quit getting spyware.
I wish we had a study showing how many microsoft programmers use Firefox.
The congregation says Firewhat?
Seriously, does anyone who reads slashdot these days really need someone to point out the advantages of mozilla/firefox/opera/safari/whatever? Is this really news?
Mathematics is made of 50 percent formulas, 50 percent proofs, and 50 percent imagination.
Chevy Chase Bank (Washington, DC area) has a very nice DHTML rich website that works great for me in Firefox.
Not only is it designed to be a great browser, it has extensive plug-in support so you can make browsing what you want it to be, not what some Redmond-based empire tells you it should be... ;)
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"There *IS* no patch for stupidity" -www.sqlsecurity.com
http://stopie.com/ its similar but cool
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http://browsehappy.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=
I use IE all the time
This one time, I got an email from Citibank I need to veerify my account information!
All I have to do is to click the link with bunch of characters in it, then it loads the seemingly legitimate Citibank website. Then I enterd my account name and password, plus all the other informations. There I veerify my Citibank account using IE.
Meanwhile, Mozilla browser and Mozilla Firefox can't even load the page.
Now, which browser is broken?
Definitely not IE.
By the way, for some strange reason, my Citibank password is no longer working shortly after that.
(sarcasm mode turned off)
No it's not against IE. It's against infiltration and popups, which IE happens to be synonymous with.
Look, folks, I've played the messenger part. I've done my part in telling others to try Mozilla. Done my evangelism with the pop-up blocking and the tabbed browsing. I've preached the security of not using IE and all its ugly security issues. I've even pointed to articles from official-ish proclamations asking people to use alternate browsers.
I've managed to switch a few people to Firefox, and that's good. However, there's the frustration of knowing there will be people out there who will not switch, not even know what a "Browser" is, and will definitely not be going to a web site, downloading an executable, and running it to install Firefox. Too intimidating, they'd say. Now what?
We've given them sufficient reason, and enough encouragement. There will be a LOT of people out there who will not bother installing a browser that didn't come with their machine. Though they'll happily install a Bonzi Buddy or Comet Cursor. How do we handle that great majority?
I love the Firefox, don't get me wrong. I'd love to see more people using it instead of IE. However, like any good soldier that's been out in the battlefield long enough, a morale boost would be nice on occasion...or at least more words of wisdom.
I am not a windows bigot, nor am I a fanboy. I use Windows XP and related windows software because it just works, and I'd rather actually use the PC than constantly fight it. I've used Unix in the past (Irix actually) and LOVED it, however I've basically given up or more accurately abandoned the desire to use Linux because XP does pretty everything I need, and the software availability and stability meet or exceed what I need (graphic design, web development, 3D modeling and animation, games). Yes, I know there are "issues", but because I "know what I'm doing" and I'm protected by a firewalled router, as well as ZoneAlarm, SpyBot & TeaTimer, etc. I once again , just don't see the reason to learn a new OS. If I had a free week or two I might try Mandrake or something again. The above spout was just to give background that I'm not an OS freak, nor a complete luser. That said, I've always disliked IE as an application in it's own right (performance, memory utilization, UI, etc.), however after a few iterations of NS being complete crap (rendering , performance, etc.) I resigned to use IE. tried Opera, not really impressed, switched back to IE. Recently installed FireFox and I will NEVER use IE again unless the page requires the active X crap. I love everything about Firefox, and as more extensions become available, I love that I can make it work EXACTLY how I want it to work. My only complaint is that I wish it was lighter weight in terms of system requirements, as I'd love to be able to run it on some REALLY old PC's that are essentially worthless for anything but dumb terminal applications (one example is y Fujitsu Point510 tablet). Anyway, that's my story. I would love to see an extension that spellchecked text boxes in online forms though...
What I don't know I just fake...
You my friend, are the reason why people still design with only IE users in mind.
So does your X10 camera, DVD backup software, Debt Consolidation Program...
I write a lot of .asp, and I use both Mozilla and IE to check the code I write. Unless the person coding the ASP pages is an idiot, it doesn't make a diffrence, as everything is processed server side.
You run into problems because either a) the ASP coder uses vbscript for client side validation, and nothing but IE supports vbscript, or b) they don't bother to write cross-platform client side javascript code. I can't come down too hard when people don't do this, as the DOM differs from browser to browser.
The people responsable for this forking of the DOM need to be dragged nekkid across a cactus patch.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
My biggest reason for switching is that IE seldom will increase the text size when commanded to. Mozzila always will increase the text size of a web page. I can't read the fine print on a lot of web sites.
Many a long talk since then I have had with the man in the moon; he had my confidence on the voyage. Joshua Slocum
This is comforting but not a perfect solution. I primarily used IE because most of my customers use IE and I want their same user experience. I tell developers to use IE for the same reason. Fortunately most online consumers not use lynx.
Reminds me of a video for another switch campaign. Although, I guess the video would be more appropriate if you were switching to IE...
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
I know I'm going to be called a lamer and flamed out the ass, but screw it - it has to be said. I was going to move most of our lab computers to Moz this year but ran into issues with profiles. {sigh}
What is it with OSS software? They want to get noticed on the Windows platform, but the very people they need to have accept it (mainly corporations) can't/won't use it because of the hassles involved with profiles and/or user permissions.
Sometimes it's just minor problems - like Moz' inability to have things set up for multiple users on a box, but then there's OpenOffice.org. Not only is it a NIGHTMARE to install in a lab environment (although through reghacks, I got it to work well enough), but it also has problems with Terminal Server.
Now that said, there is progress being made. OOo 2.0 beta lets you install for multiple users and there have been discussions on Mozdev about my very issue with Mozilla.
I understand that 99% of the people who develop for these projects don't know/care about how a Windows shop operates, but if they want their programs to be used on this platform in larger environments, they'll have to start learning how to make them more friendly.
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
Is Ellen Feiss in it?
I don't read replies by ACs.
Maybe you could be a bit more specific?
At the very least, what the trojan was... then we could all look up how it installs itself, and maybe let the firefox guys know there's a vulnerability.
I imagine they'd also be interested if you could give them a page that's circumventing the popup blocker.
AC comments get piped to
I inherited an ASP-only site and in short order made it compliant enough to render and function on all (non-v. 4.x) browsers. In short order, I will rip out all the nested tables and replace them with clean CSS; and recode everything to the XHTML 1.0 spec.
Yeah, right.
The article is not so much against internet explorer, but *for* not using it...
wait...
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=118438&cid=10
Dear dipshit: Learn to capitalize "I".
I dont mean to sound like a jerk, but being someone that creates Server Browser Apps for a living, I am compelled to clarify a point.
.asp, .aspx, .cfm, .pl, .jsp or .php, the only thing that is ever sent to the browser is plain old HTML. The server pages are pages that may contain one or more programing languages, recieve and process data, and ussually interact with a database. All of this is done on the server side. Therefore, the server must be compatible with the technology used. But the output of the pages, that is the info that is passed to the browser, is always html.
.asp
It doesn't matter if the page is
The reason why many apps require Internet Explorer might be an Active X control. Active X controls run on the browser, on the client, and only in IE. Such controls are sometimes used to provide word procesing like text input capabilities in the browser, instead of plain boxes like the ones that slashdot uses to write comments.
No, you don't need IE to view
Yes, your programers were dumb enough to use non standard / non compliant client side coding or scripting.
Cheers
Adolfo
If you don't like it, drop the "it." infront of slashdot.org instead of complaining in public.
The Slashdot Deities broke that feature for some (but not all - It works for this page) articles. You can still use the "article.pl" (or "comments.pl") method, although it requires actually making more substantial mods to the URL than simply chopping out the "it." part...
From IE to Safari?
This does not work here and you are clearly a MSHOLE MOLE.
Crawl back into you hole.
I often have no choice. There will be a web resource that I *must* use, that will not work under Firefox or Konqueror or whatever browser I have available. I end up forced to use IE, often enough that I wouldn't consider uninstalling it.
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Heh.. get yourself an account (if needed), login and switch to 'light' mode in your user preferences... you wont get bothered by colorschemes at all ;)
look, i've given extensive trials (at least a month of solid 40hr/week usage) of the major browsers: Netscape (since 4), opera, safari, mozilla, firefox, ie. but, in a MSwindows environment, nothing beats the real-world performance of ie.
it does have a host of problems. but these aren't the days of ie4 where the browser really did crash every 30 minutes. and ALL of the pages that i need load properly.
ie6 loads signifgantly faster than mozilla on every machine i try (recently that's from an amd k6-2 366 to a p4). additionally, i do not have to worry about pages not rendering properly.
look, ie has security holes. and so does firefox. i run fully patched ie, behind a configured firewall with a current antivirus that has script blocking and i use a pop-up blocker (google toolbar).
it loads fast(er). it renders pages well. it handles plugins well.
i am not a web designer. perhaps my rudimentary html knowledge and cursory understanding of css leaves me blind to ie's "obvious flaws" but so would most of consumer computing market.
the "features" that mozilla boast aren't all that important to me. tabbed browsing isn't all that hot. I've been trained to look to the taskbar (and now with xp click on the ie group) to see what pages i'm browsing. and i am far too quick on the close button (and checking "don't aske me again") to make use of tabbed browsing. I have often closed several pages at once when i am tab browsing.
in fact, the ONLY feature that i can think of that firefox boasts is that it can--unlike ie--rememeber the web page icons (is that what they are called?). but even with firefox, it's not perfect (it will refresh only after you've gone to the page. but at least it does. ie forgets it 1 day after saving the favorite).
perhaps i'm missing the point, but i like to quickly, conviently, reliably access the web. and, in a properely maintained and secured environment and with a user who doesn't install weatherbug every 30 minutes ie is better at those tasks than any other broswer available for a MSwindows environment.
just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!
I switched to Firefox after tha ballyhoo on Slashdot. To date, I've deleted all of my must-save cookies 4 times. The browser is not oriented toward someone who selectively accepts cookies and regularly flushes their cache. It's WAY TO EASY to accidentally hit the wrong "CLEAR" button and make your life miserable. At the very lease, Firefox needs an "Are you sure?" prompt, if not a complete reorganization of how the configuration settings are presented.
on my Win98 PC the way 0.92 did, it would make it a bit easier to stay switched. It starts up, shows that it is trying to resolve the host name of my home web page, and freezes. Have to kill it with Task Manager, then fire up Mozilla to bring up the same page.
However, Mozilla won't show me the submit button on the Skytel page to set my pager to nationwide roaming mode, but IE and Netscape 4.x do so - I've looked at the source Javascript, and, although no expert, I don't see anything particularly weird. Unfortunately, I can't just give my Skytel id info to the Mozilla team to see what to fix, and after trying once recently to see how to file a bug report, I'm not even sure I *could* get the info to them - opaque, hard-to-use support is not too encouraging. It has had this problem since about 1.2, and I keep hoping each new release will finally "catch up" to Netscape 4.x at least.
Oh well, it's nice for the other 75% of business browsing I can do with it, and the 98% of personal browsing I can do with it.
I don't really need Firefox anyway, and I found it (0.92) to not be any faster under Windows 2000 than Mozilla, and no smaller in memory footprint as long as I don't open the mail/news reader, so no big deal...
True story.
I volunteered to look after a student computer lab at university. We did a fresh install of Windows 2000 on all the workstations, set up NTFS, applied all security patches and turned on the auto updater. The lab is firewalled and NATed through a Linux server that's running Samba as a primary domain control for an NT domain. All users have low priv accounts, authorized through the PDC on the local network.
In other words, this is a pretty secure setup, except for the local machines (everyone has physical access). But regular users don't have admin privileges.
There was something I found quite odd. After running for a year or so, I discovered that when I launched IE from my own account, it came up with the Yahoo bar installed. That's weird, I thought, since I'm the only admin and regular users don't have that kind of privileges.
I double checked the patches and hotfixes, yup, we're still up to date...
Fast forward... things started to fall apart after 1.5 years. Some how, spyware entering via IE from one account was able to 'infect' other accounts. Launching IE would immediately pop up ads - even in accounts that were never used before. Whole system-wide applications and spyware seemed to be installed by low privilege users. It's a bloody mess, I don't want to touch it any more.
I'm not sure whether Windows or IE is to blame (my guess is: both) but if they want me to volunteer my efforts to admin the lab next year, a bunch of 1st year students are going to walk in and find a bunch of dumb consoles running stripped down X interfaces to a FreeBSD server.
Don't most users associate periodic software updates to be a sign of a good thing? Wouldn't that be one very good, solid argument against use of IE (i.e. dead application that hasn't seen any improvements other than security patches in last.... 1-2-3 years)?
Simpy
Odd. I have the opposite problem (or, more likely, I don't understand what you mean :)) -- when I try to start a 2nd instance of mozilla, I get an annoying message that it can't be started with the current profile, because that profile is already in use. For several reasons (consistency of bookmarks etc) I guess this is an OK design decision, but it's not the one I wish they'd made.
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
I use Firefox on Windows and Linux platforms. I convinced my wife and mother-in-law to switch. They both switched back almost immediately. Firefox constantly crashed on their favorite website (pogo.com). Slashdot itself frequently requires multiple refreshes to render properly. Both bugs duly reported months ago with no response (ok, I know they're minor and low-priority). Firefox has come a long way, but until it's done, wide acceptance will be hard to achieve.
"Tell me doctor, with all of your defenses, are there any provisions for an attack by killer bees?"
Some of the bugs and insecurities that have been discussed are years old and service pack after service pack passes without fixing these problems. All of the problems are unfixable by the masses of talented programmers out there because MSIE is proprietary. I fail to see how IS "just works" or "are getting slowly worked out".
The parent post is currently moderated at +4, insightful. I'd hardly call that "anti-microsoftism" (as if that is bad when one considers how they came out of the largest antitrust case in US history not looking at all good).
Digital Citizen
I used to use opera, i loved the mouse gestures, the popup blocking, but i hated the ads.
I never tried mozilla because i didn't like the blocky texture that it had, and it just felt 'empty' when i first installed it.
A friend had firefox, i said, try opera, and after time testing it against a few heavy loading pages, opera was a *bit* faster because we configured it to open 128 server connections (sorry admins), but that was only on photoshop contests on fark, or other heavy image loading pages.
Other than that, we went feature for feature, they were the same speed on other pages, but what really got me was the mouse gesture trials (with the plugin extension) and the customized ad blocking (another extension).
After that, all the features we commonly used matched up, except gmail notification in firefox. These extensions were also really easy to install also, i've only been using it since this morning.
The sad part about this message is that it sounds like a piece of spam, marketting material. But i give this advice to opera users: you tried opera once, try firefox now.
one thing : i cant' figure out how to get every new window to open as a tabbed window, some open as a new firefox window. Oh well. I'll figure it out eventually... (there, now this doesn't sound like spam)
Runnin' On Empty
It was fairly easy to install both Firefox and Thunderbird and then set them up as the default applications for the web and email. My parents have no trouble using the software.
... switch to Mozilla a couple of years back and quite happy still. Mozilla is a great browser. Lot's of very useful extensions (hint: AdBlock).
Switch to Firefox
The Mac and the Windows versions of the browser are as different as IE and Mozilla.
firebird whatever..
yes.. it is the best browser there is.
hands down.. beats the crap out of IE..
Nothing is more annoying that having to use an IE box and opening a jillion windows...
Might load a bit slower, but I only need to open a "new" window once a week at the most, so that is not an issue anyway.
I am glad to see IE betting it's ass whipped out of town with it's pants around it's ankles..
anime+manga together at last.. in real time.
he. like that. CTRL-+ can save lifes. after a few ... er, alco ..., aaal, er, you know, these beverages ;P
Considering 90+% of the possible targets would qualify, as almost everyone still uses IE.
nNt exactly a sporting hunt.
Have you ever tried holding ctrl then scrolling the mouse-wheel up or down? That's the quickest way I know to increase/decrease font size, and it works in IE and FF for me.
It turns your hair green.
I'm Rick James with mod points biatch!
From someone who hated netscape and liked IE.
Firefox is simple better than IE right now.
"This campaign is not so much against IE, but for the use of safer and more user-friendly browsers."
Ok, I hate IE as much as anyone else, but safer, to me, means that it won't threaten my life as much as IE.
I really wasn't aware that IE was capable of physical harm...
Goofy, Geeky Gifts and More!
Apparently you have to be ugly to stop using IE. I guess I'm ugly :(
The only hole I'll crawl back to is your mom's ASSHOLE.
tell me more about the thing, you call "mouse-wheel"! :)
not against IE, more like for anything else.
On some work computers I have changed the Firefox Shortcut to appear exactly as the IE shortcut - I used the same icon, and renamed the shortcut to "Internet Explorer".
I then placed the shortcuts in the same places that you normally find IE.
No one noticed. Not one single person.
Makes things easier for some people sometimes.
Try to hack my 31337 firewall!
I think the problem with people giving up IE is that it is so integrated with the windows OS. When i had my mac there was the finder for files, and netscape for the internet. On windows, if i just want to casually hit up a web page, i can easily open a new explorer window and type in the address, as opposed to waiting for mozilla to load up(though mozilla has a much better web browsing environment). I think the layman feels the same way. I'd love for there to be a more efficient way to browse files so i could delete explorer from my computer altogether. Well, i'm sure there is, but i'd rather hold out until i get another mac:)
Slartibartfast:"Is that your robot?"
Marvin:"No, I'm mine."
Actually, Mozilla and Firefox will tell you when new versions come along.
However, your post is wrong in a much more profound way--arguing from perfection. Arguing from perfection is a form of a false dichotomy. This scheme presents two alternatives: perfection, and what the speaker wishes to railroad you into. Since perfection is never really available in anything, the only remaining option is the one the speaker wants to railroad you into.
No network program of the complexity you'll commonly use (like a web browser, chat client, or e-mail client) is "totally safe". That frame is a useless one with which to understand the problem. Far better to analyze it from the frame of providing everyone the freedom to share and modify the program so people can find problems, fix them (or make enhancements), and then help the rest of us by sharing their improved version of the program. This frame gives a realistic means to weigh which programs can be genuinely useful and which can be shown to be consistently bad.
Microsoft (being a corporation) has a profit motive behind working on MSIE. Thus once they have achieved market dominance there is little interest in improving the program further. Only competition will pressure them to improve the program, and then it will only be improved along lines that not determined by the users of the program. Users get no opportunity to determine what is valuable for the next release because corporations are not democratically run organizations and the software is not free for sharing and modification. This doesn't just apply to Microsoft, it applies to any other proprietary software. But we happen to be talking about this situation in the context of how Microsoft fails to address reasonable safety when web browsing.
Digital Citizen
Hell, it;s mainstream already.
Nationally syndicated talk radio host Neil Boortz, boortz.com, mentions a couple of times a week for the past few months.
I think this site pretty much says it all Developers Against Standards Deficient User Agents (DASDUA). Trying to get people to code for the good browsers (i.e. NOT IE)
How about cookie permissions? Can IE let you limit cookie life to current session?
No
allow/block cookies based on sites, or is it still a plain YES|NO when prompting is enabled?
With IE6, you can have per-site policies.
LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
I think IE 6 Service Pack 2 has the best popup blocking by far...
There were a lot of pop unders and others that were starting to get by the google toolbar and even on my Linux box with Mozilla. I have not seen one pop up since upgrading my XP boxes to SP2...
I added Firefox to my mom's computer so she'd stop dl'ing adware. When she "couldn't find the Internet" I changed the Firefox shortcut to look like the IE shortcut.. Problem Solved.
How do I run it without Internet Explorer?
_________ Help me get a PSP!
The warning against IE went out in our office a few weeks ago and I've been trying my damndest to get my immediate co-workers to switch to Mozilla or Firefox. The majority of the technical people at the company have been using Moz for months or years now but my department, Client Services[1], are all addicted to IE.
Once our IT dept sent out the warning and urged everyone to use Mozilla for regular browsing I installed it on two of my three co-workers PC's (the third is dating our SysAdmin so it's his job to get her to switch) and offered to help them with anything having to do with Moz. The only thing they've asked me to do is uninstall it (which I won't do.) Whenever they use it they gripe about how it looks (well mostly about how they don't like the "godzilla" head) say it loads slowly and they don't have time to learn how to use it. Yet they still whine about pop-up ads, spyware etc... Whenever they start griping I chime in with "Ya know that's not a problem in Mozilla!" Their replies are always the same "We don't like that godzilla thing, it's got an ugly head, har har."
I even made them an offer: For one week use Mozilla exclusivly and I'll always stop whatever I'm doing to help with you any question you have, be it how to install a plugin, how to use tabs, how to block ads etc... and if you still don't like it better than IE I'll remove from your system. But you have to use it and take the time to learn it before I'll take your complaints about how it 'sucks' seriously.
The response I've gotten when the topic comes is that they stop bitching about IE and go back to closing pop-ups. My boss actually said to me "I don't like learning new things"
These are the type of people that will never, ever switch. They know enough to know that Mozilla and IE are different programs and they just refuse to give an alternative to what they already know any serious consideration. I fear these represent the vast majority of IE users.
Oh and the company I work for? We provide online, webbased training and learning management services to corporations, mostly for OSHA type regs and similar subjects that are well suited to the CBT format. About 80% of the company (those with technical or content creation roles) uses Mozilla or Firefox for most of their general browsing but the non-geek staff stubbornly use IE. If we can't convince our holdouts to switch, without forcing the issue by management fiat, I don't know that they ever will. *sigh*
[1] Not to be confused with customer service, we dont' deal with end users, we work at the corporate level.
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I haven't once seen an unrequested pop up using Mozilla or Firefox (Yes, I use both on a regular basis).
What version of Firefox are you using? Are you sure that you got this trojan off of a website? There are plenty of ways other than browsing the web to receive a trojan, such as downloading a program off a file sharing program, for instance.
As far as I know, it's impossible for anything to install itself in Mozilla without at least a dialog asking if it's okay to do so (for things like extensions or Java Web Start programs). Or are you one of those people who install Active X extensions?
Fetch Text URL - Firefox Extension
" Try doing a google search for your error message, oh dear l33t admin, and you will find a shell script to fix that."
No kidding? You clearly don't 'get it'. My entire point is that I don't want to rely on hacks to make things work. It's been my experience that the more you use workarounds like this, the more things break over time - especially when new versions arrive.
I found a 'solution' - maybe the same one you're suggesting - I just didn't like it.
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
Why would this be a good thing? Imagine the nightmares web page designers would have to go through if they had to support two completely different non-standards-compliant browsers. We'd need to use several different browsers on a day-to-day basis just to view all the pages correctly.
Welcome to 1998. I'll be your host.
-Waldo Jaquith
Reality check: Read the headline ("Get Rid of IE..."). Read the article summary (and note that IE is mentioned 3 times in the 2 sentences). Visit the site and notice that every page revolves around "IE is unsafe". The site is based on little more than "IE is unsafe". If it were actually a site against virus writers, it would mention SOMETHING other than "IE is bad".
Firefox is my default browser and has been for quite a while, so don't think I'm sticking up for IE at all. I'm not. I don't recommend IE to anyone. But that doesn't change the facts.
The truth doesn't care what I think.
1.) Install Firefox
2.) Rename iexplore.exe beatme.exe
what?
Why is Internet Explorer unsafe?
See what people are saying about Internet Explorer, in the wake of its most recent security issues:
New York Times, In Search of a Browser That Banishes Clutter: [nytimes.com]
Ms. Sandlin is so devoted to [Firefox] that she has taped a note to her monitor warning guests not to click on the desktop shortcut to Internet Explorer. "Do not touch the blue E!" the note says.
USA Today, Security risks swell for Microsofts Explorer: [usatoday.com]
Using Microsofts Internet Explorer Web browser to surf the Internet has become a marked risk even with the latest security patches installed.
The Inquirer, US Government warns against Internet Explorer: [theinquirer.net]
The US Government has sent out a warning out to internet users through its Computer Emergency Readiness Team (US-CERT), pleading users to stop using Microsofts Internet Explorer.
Slate, Are the Browser Wars Back?: [msn.com]
[A]ll-conquering Internet Explorer has been stuck in the mud for the past year, as Microsoft stopped delivering new versions. The company now rolls out only an occasional fix as part of its Windows updates. Gates and company won the browser war, so why keep fighting it?
I prefer the Developers section color scheme myself.
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The post said "asp", not asp.net, so the validator issue (though true) isn't applicable unless the guy made a mistake in his post.
regarding your CSS question:
Getting your DIVs to behave like TABLEs
and
Designing a CSS-based Template Part I - Part II - Part III - Part IV - Part V
those might help.
The truth doesn't care what I think.
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You meant Dykes, not dikes.
Motorcycle Dykes, not sea water earth-filled levees "dikes.'
Moron.
MSIE is by far the most convenient browser, I don't think any of us can argue against that. That said, I myself began seeking out alternatives when I got owned with a fully patched/AV protected system nearly a year back.
Now when I'm doing certain kinds of browsing (pr0n, roms, fark, etc.), I try to remember to use either Opera or Firefox. I don't want to spend another 1-2 hours ridding my system of unwanted programs.
I prefer Opera... no crashes, fast, and renders pages well. Firefox is free without ads, but I've noticed that it can't handle alot of the obscure sites out there (it crashes alot) and it seems slower than IE or Opera. I do enjoy the developer tools it offers though.
Anyway, I predict that IE will continue to lose market share to more secure products just because users are beginning to realize that it is incredibly dangerous to surf with IE (especially for pr0n, warez, etc.). It's already lost something like 12% this year alone.
All right, a bunch of white guys talking about computer stuff. :P
It's like a neverending icecream headache!
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make install -not war
How about a safer operating system?
I found that most bank websites work properly only in IE (of IE, FireFox, Mozilla, Opera). These fools are creating the dependency on MS that they tried to avoid in the 1990s. That was when Gates foolishly declared he wanted to toll every Internet transaction he could, as a new bizmodel. That's the banks' bizmodel, so they got spooked. Since MS has now crept between the banks and their customers, at the browser interface, how long before MS opens a bank to "compete with PayPal", and takes over the banking industry?
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make install -not war
...to Konqueror. (-:
Next time you try Mandrake, shove a music CD into your drive and type audiocd:/ into Konqueror. Then try fish://yourlogin@yourunixserver and see what happens. Securely.
in my small circle of friends, I don't know anyone who uses IE. granted we're all cs majors/graduates, but their families don't use IE either.
of my non-technical friends, my family, and my inlaws- all of them are using firefox.
one of my friends, upon discovering the glory of tabs proceeded to tell all of his friends about it like a bad pyramid scheme:)
It's only a matter of time before the world builds up enough momentum to switch to another browser. when it does, those remaining morons won't have a choice but to switch or have someone switch it for them.
The thing to remember is this... how long has firefox been around? how many downloads has it had each month since it came out? I'll be the number is going up, and keeps going up. eventually it's gonna add up.
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I am a Mac user and I use Firefox exclusively (better compatibility than Safari, better [and more!] plug-ins availble for it, like being able to skin it), but have one pretty big complaint with it - the amount of system resources it takes up.
Right now on my iBook g4 800 w/640 RAM, Activity Monitor says that FireFox is using 83.85 MB of active memory and 417.46 MB of virtual memory. And that's with one window w/5 tabs open.
Having the same pages open in Safari Activity Monitor shows Safari using 31.98 MB of active memory and 143.21 MB of virtual memory.
So yeah. I couldn't really use Firefox when I only had 256 RAM...too many crashes. Now that I've upgraded, it is worth it.
...what'cha gunna do when the next CodeRed-equivalent for IE arrives, and all of your customers' networks are melting down under the impact of IE-hosted invaders?
Get FireFox installed now and get people familiar with it now so that when MSIE's Armageddon arrives you have an alternative already in place.
I really don't see what all the fuss is about. I have used IE for years now and haven't had a lick of trouble. With the advent of the google toolbar it is far more user friendly then anything else (though tabbed browsing would be nice) Once and awhile I have to run adaware or the like, but I don't really get gunked with spy/malware. (and I go to some pretty sketchy porn sites) I think the main problem is people clicking yes on security certs, and people can make that mistake on any browser.
Switch!
by Joe Barr
I was over at Tony's house for the big game when we needed to look something up online. As soon as he fired up his web browser I let out a laugh. 'Firefox? You use that?', I scoffed. He didn't seem to realize why this was a problem. I informed him of what a drain on resources it is, and asked why he'd want to waste his time searching through a pile of extensions to make it work. He thought it ran just fine for him, and I told him about all of the features of Opera he was missing out on. He said he didn't need the eMail or chat functions, and thought the other little niceties weren't worth switching for. Then I told him how much easier and more customizable the interface of Opera is. I installed it and showed him what I was talking about. His jaw dropped... litteraly. 'You mean I can do away with all the UI inconsistancies of Firefox?!', he asked. I told him not only that, he could make the interface like he wanted his browser to be. Before I could show him more of the cool stuff it offers, he had uninstalled FireFox. Good thing Opera has automatically imported his bookmarks.
(Posted as AC due to inevitable misinterpretation as troll)
Actually, I just switched FROM mozilla to Avant Browser (modified internet explorer). Avant has all of the features I liked most in mozilla (tabbed browsing, popup blocking) and a lot more (plus, some sites are better under avant)
....to take over the corporate Windows browser.
If Firefox was available (from mozilla.org) in a Windows installer (.MSI) format and settings could be made using policies, you'd see a rapid increase in corporate desktops moving to Firefox.
Windows admins want to be able to install Firefox on ALL their desktops, with extensions pre-installed and the settings (optionally) controlled via system policies.
This should be goal #1 for 1.1 of Firefox and Thunderchicken. The brower is great. Now lets banish IE from the corporate Windows desktop. (Then the migrate to Linux will be that much easier)
What's my Karma Mr. Burns? "Excellent"
They don't require registration, you can change your PC's configuration as much as you like, and they have a few free applications thrown in as well!
Then most people could leave IE installed and blocked by their firewall.
What's wrong with the firewall rule "Process name in {explorer.exe|iexplore.exe} -> Allow connections only to *.microsoft.com and *.trendmicro.com"? (Trend Micro offers a free online virus scanner called HouseCall that works only on IE.)
I am not a Debian bigot, nor am I a fanboy. I use Debian and related Debian software because it just works, and I'd rather actually use the PC than constantly fight it. I've used Windows in the past decade (windows nt actually) and LOVED it, however I've basically given up or more accurately abandoned the desire to use Windows because Debian does pretty everything I need, and the software availability and stability meet or exceed what I need (graphic design, web development, 3D modeling and animation, games). I once again , just don't see the reason to learn a new OS. If I had a free month or two I might try windows longhorn or something again. The above spout was just to give background that I'm not an OS freak, nor a complete luser. That said, I've always disliked Firefox as an application in it's own right (performance, memory utilization, UI, etc.), however after a few iterations of IE being complete crap (rendering , performance, etc.) I resigned to use Firefox. tried Opera, not really impressed, switched back to Firefox. Recently installed IE6 and I will NEVER use IE again unless the page requires the active X crap. I love everything about Firefox, and as more extensions become available, I love that I can make it work EXACTLY how I want it to work. My only complaint is that I wish it was lighter weight in terms of system requirements, as I'd love to be able to run it on some REALLY old PC's that are essentially worthless for anything but dumb terminal applications (one example is Fujitsu Point510 tablet). Anyway, that's my story. I would love to see an extension in IE that spellchecked text boxes in online forms though, like in konqueror.
In other words, thanks for a completely content free post.
BTW, I left the following out since slashdot does not allow overstrike:
Yes, I know there are "issues", but because I "know what I'm doing" and I'm protected by a firewalled router, as well as ZoneAlarm, SpyBot & TeaTimer, etc.
I often hear people complain that there are sites that don't work in Firefox or Mozilla, but I very very rarely run into them, and there are none that I go to regularly that don't work well in Firefox.
So what are some of these sites that you go to regularly that don't work well in Firefox? Please give specific urls so I can see it myself.
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we had really good sysadmins and a really good firewall-- I was never particularly worried about security.
However, I switched from IE to mozilla because it seems like the more Microsoft apps you have open, the more likely it is that your task bar settings are going to change. Excel and IE seem to be particularly bad about it. I don't know that I ever had a problem with Word, but I used it as seldom as possible regardless.
Windows XP Service Pack 2 would take 15 hours or more to download on dial-up Internet access. During those 15 hours, your computer is vulnerable. Not everybody can afford the $800/mo T1 line that is the only broadband available in areas not serviced by cable or DSL. Is SP2 available from Microsoft on CD-ROM yet?
And what about those users who cannot upgrade to Windows XP yet, those who are still on Windows 98se or Windows 2000?
mice have legs. not wheels.
I read this as 'most blank websites'.
Sounds about right...:)
This campaign is not so much against IE, but for the use of safer and more user-friendly browsers.
...I still don't see the difference...
.8041247291... years.
Firefox user for
Here is a little experiment. I went to EXPN.com and tried to watch a video from their site with various browsers: Opera 7.51 - Clicked the video link and got a pop-up with a grey box that said 'Click'. Clicked the box which directed me to the real site to download a plugin. I clicked the link and Opera crashed. Mozilla Firefox - Clicked the video link and ended up with a grey box that said 'After installing the plug in click here'. I clicked around a bit and got sent to a Netscape plugins page. Netscape's page found the plugin for me. I clicked the download link and it sent me to a real.com page. "Download Now US$19.95" Netscape 6.2.1 - Ended up with a grey box that says 'click here to get the plugin'. I click it and it opens a pop-up window so I click [get the plugin]. A blank window opens to the same page on the Netscape site that Mozilla sent me to and it shows a link to the plugin. I click to download and get sent to the real.com site. "Download Now US$19.95" Closing this window opens up another pop-up from Real. IE 5.5 - Click the link and it opens up the video and starts playing it. I get the same kind of thing with Quicktime and Media Player as well. I basically only use IE when I need a plugin to work but it would be nice not to have to.
I used group policies to force every user's web session through a filtering proxy server. The proxy drops pop-up windows, active X plugins, and nasty spyware and viruses. As far as I know, the only way to make IE secure, is to prevent the bad stuff from getting to it.
-ted
I still think IE has a better experience, and some neat stuff has been put together for IE recently, including Recall Toolbar, a browser add-on that indexes pages you visit and lets you later search them. Useful for finding pages when you later want to.
Imagine the nightmares web page designers would have to go through if they had to support two completely different non-standards-compliant browsers.
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Calm down there sonny and remember to salute your superior officers. Some of us have already been through BW I and II, as well as few "Browser Actions" like the launch of NN 6.0.
Boy howdy, I remember those days. You had to make sure your Palette had the Web-Safety on or BLAM!, colors bleeding all over a Mac browser IT WAS HORRIBLE!
Sniff a browser incorrectly and the Flash movie you had on point was as dead as an MIDI file without an <embed> tag in Netscape.
You just make sure and stick to JavaScript object detection insted of browser detection and it won't make a hill of beans difference WHAT kind of new fangled whojeewhatsis they come up with to view web pages, you'll do just fine
Now put down that ActiveX Control sonny, we don't want you hopped up and going through any kind of delusions of granduer when you're out in the jungle.
DIS-missed *salutes*
I think you're describing the same problem I had. I found a fix via Google that worked. Here's what I did (running XP):
Go to My Computer > Folder Options > File Types
Select URL:HyperText Transfer Protocol and click "Advanced"
Select "Actions: open" and click "Edit"
In the "DDE Message:" field you should see something like "%1",,-1,0,,,,
Delete all the text in the field and click "OK".
Repeat the above steps for the File Type "URL:HyperText Transfer Protocol with Security".
I think I read that unchecking the "Use DDE" box will work as well.
The phrasings of the origional article certainly are. Thats what we were discussing, whether or not the campaign to use alternative browsers is a "fight against IE". RTFT.
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Wow, thanks. That's really cool.
but unfortunately our web/intranet is all designed for ie and even uses ms' old java engine.
if we try mozilla or netscape, or any other non-ie browser, the site ceases to function and we get blamed if we miss something that's been posted up there.
heh...i have to log in at least four times everytime i visit it.
Is it 5:30 yet?
Download IEradicator (IE required). It runs on 98 and before, and it can be made to work on XP/2000 despite the warning.
why
switched
NOTE: It's interesting how the left-hand margin of a page that says "Brought to you by The Web Standards Project" renders so poorly under Mozilla (or is that an artifact of the Google cache?).
gewg_
I do it too for $50 to $200. I tell them what they could to or offer to do it for them for a fee. The most I made from a spyware/virus removal, $600. XP client not on SP1 and required a reinstall.
People are just comfortable paying for services that they don't want or aren't comfortable doing themselves.
It's just like changing the timing belt on your car or giving it a tune up yourself. You can do it yourself or pay someone to do it.
if you steal from one source, that is plagiarism, if you steal from many, well, that's just research.
Cant say i ever messed with it, i was a Netscape stick in the mud years after it was no longer a viable alternative and up through it becoming mozilla, IE is getting what it had coming
I don't have a problem with Xbox. MS makes perfectly good toys. The problem is when they try to market their toys as general-purpose desktop systems, or worse yet, as enterprise-ready server systems, that's when I have a problem with them!
:)
If MS would just stick to competing with Fisher-Price and Mattel, I'd never say a word against 'em!
We have a test system on a clean XP SP2 and today we got VX2.BetterInternet (purposefully to test MS's claims) and all we did was visit the site WITH ActiveX blocked.
if you steal from one source, that is plagiarism, if you steal from many, well, that's just research.
regarding your CSS question:
Getting your DIVs to behave like TABLEs
Is it supposed to have a big white empty square in the top left of the page obliterating some text?
(I use opera)
Need Mercedes parts ?
For CSS inspiration, go here: http://www.csszengarden.com/
Inspiration or intoxication? The page looked real prety when it first rendered then I maximized it and the menu bar on the right was now in the middle of the page. I may not be a css weenie but my pages all work no matter how big you make your browser window. Not doing so is a pet peeve.
Need Mercedes parts ?
simply because MS were to lazy to make things standards-compliant
I suspect it has more to do with MS trying to force lock-in to Internet Explorer (and thus windows) than lazyness.
I am NaN
But until the risk increases (or manifests itself to me personally) or Mozilla/FireBird get easier to use from install to every-day usage, I ain't switching.
1) Run Ad-Aware and/or Spybot Search & Destroy -- you're probably already infected and don't know it.
2) Go to this site and download the latest version for your OS.
3) Find wherever you saved the file to, double click it & follow the prompts. Bam, installed.
4) Upgrade? Download new version, rename the mozilla folder to mozilla_old, install the new one, move any plug-ins from the old plug-in folder to the new one (when it says something about overwriting the one file that's in both, say 'no'), and delete the mozilla_old folder as soon as you know it all works.
It's nowhere near as hard as you might think. If you can manage WINS, you can move/delete a few files.
It's also better than having all the information on your computer exported to Nigeria, or having your PC used like a proxy while someone hacks into someplace important enough to get the Feds to knock on your door, or having your PC used to store child pornography. Don't laugh, both of these have actually happened to people; check the news...
Now then, if you need it personally demonstrated to you, I'm sure that I could find a few malware websites which are typosquatters, etc.
If you want to save passwords (which one might think were in the "must save" cookies?) why not use the password manager for that?
Yeah, I know, I wish I could exempt a few cookies from the 'clear cookies' button, or at least from expiring at the end of the session like all mine do, but I guess using the password manager is more secure, anyhow.
I'm sure we allready knew this stuff, but I wanted to read it but we slashdotted them allready. On a similar subject, is it possible to effectively turn IE off so it cannot be accessed except manually?
A) Read the topic
.msi package and group policy settings I WOULD go through the effort of switching to firefox. Why am I waiting on this?
:P
B) DO IT
I admin a win2k3 domain, and given a
Hey, YOU try updating 2500 machines in a timely manner, and then removing IE
Considering the number of complaints every time there's an article in this section, you'd think they'd change the color scheme. We shouldn't have to modify the url or go through other hacks to get a page it doesn't hurt to look at.
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I just got them all gmail accounts and then told them the accounts wouldn't work on Mac's version of IE. *shrugs* They bought it...
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Actually, I downloaded it at work in about 20 minutes and burned a cd for all my friends.
Not everybody knows somebody who has broadband at work and is allowed to use it for personal use, you insensitive clod! :)
Works for WinXP
Download and install TweakUI (PowerToys). Open, and select Desktop. Uncheck the items you don't want on the desktop.
stop baiting the trolls please.
Customize 2k before installing files and instuctions
Uninstall IE and OE, etc from a 2k machine that already has them
Customize Win2k, 2k3, XP before installing
This is what really bothers me:
StarOffice/OpenOffice.org.
Sun LOVES to brag everytime they get a win for StarOffice. And they should - it's good stuff! Of course they want to see it thrive and have reason to see it through. The reasoning is that once you have Windows people doing more stuff through OSS/HTML, the less dependant they become on the host OS (generally Windows) and might be open to other choices.
And yet, the very people they need to impress are turned off in droves. Not because Star/OOo doesn't open Word docs perfectly. It can easily be shown that WORD doesn't open them right all the time either!
No, the real issue is working with Windows on a more corporate level. Support for things that matter to IT admins like me (like profiles) isn't going to happen for another six months in Star/OOo. This from a product that's been more than functional for over two YEARS. Many of the changes that needed to be made were as simple as writing to the Local Machine instead of the Local User directory.
Right now, if you do it the 'right' way, EVERY USER who logs on to the machine is supposed to fill out this mini-install. That still doesn't set the parameters for default home or backup directories, and it's not a great way to have a sixth grader start the app.
I'm not complaining loudly because I know how much free effort has gone into OOo and programs like it. But what I AM trying to do is send the word out to other projects considering Windows support to truly support it. Don't make it an excercise in frustration. Try your program with other users in the field. Find out what's important to them. Some of them can't/won't be able to express those concepts on a bug report list. They need to be talked to.
Many others on the StarOffice Forum are shocked when they find out how poorly StarOffice integrates with Windows. All I'm saying is: Don't wait until your product starts to hit the big time before these issues are, at the least, acknowledged.
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
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"I can't change the way you think,
but I *can* change the way you look!"
-- Woody Strode
anybody who codes ie only web pages should be fired on the spot no questions asked.
and should call it quits with their IT career too.
I don't care what you are doing or what business you are running coding for one browser is stupid, stupid, stupid especially for an un-updated, broken web browser like ie.
I finally downloaded firefox to see which I would prefer. I really like the security and some of the other features.
However, I won't be switching unless the following 2 problems are fixed.. 1- You can't read the text easily when scrolling. I'm not sure why internet explorer's scrolling works so much better. 2- The favorites panel. I really like to use the favorites panel on the left of the screen in internet explorer. The favorites panel provided by firefox is very clunky.
Since I got rid of Windoze entirely last year and replaced it with Linux, I've been using Mozilla too, and it's also way better than IE (which I sometimes use when I repair my wife's XP machine).
What's interesting about diehard Win/IE users is that they're so accustomed to lockups and crashes that they've accommodated themselves to that experience, which I just don't have to put up with any more. Trying to explain to these Win/IE diehards that Lin/Moz/Op works better is like trying to explain to drivers of a four-door grocery-getter that a genuine sports car provides a vastly different driving experience: they just don't get it, and they don't have the skills to discover it for themselves.
"I can't change the way you think,
but I *can* change the way you look!"
-- Woody Strode
Hah! You think the mods actually read Slashdot themselves?!? They don't even read the article summaries for cripes sakes!
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Combank australia works fine.
All the banks I link to work fine or else they see wine runing IE it is not pretty they change verry quickly because of a stuffed up data stream normally causes major problems for them.
A lot of spyware depends on IE for its connection. No Ie connection no Spyware data transfered. Removely is not important as long as it is disabled because disabled spyware is useless.
I use and have used Mozilla with:
1) Citibank
2) US Bank
3) Washington Mutual
4) Direct Merchant's Bank
5) Bank of America
6) Fidelity
7) Ameritrade
8) Household Bank
I actually haven't come across one that hasn't worked yet. Actually, the Washington State Department of Licensing site was the only business-critical site that tried to lock me out!
LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
All of these problems have been around for years, and never seem to get fixed. The big problem seems to be that Mozilla has a homebrew database for its internal data, and it's a lousy database.
So the spyware will just wipe your hard drive when it can't transfer the data. Did you forget to search all your hard drives for files like eula.* and license.* to check the EULA of the spyware that was installed by merely visiting a website (you agreed to let them use exploits to install spyware just by visiting the site, too bad you can't even read the site's terms of use without visiting the site, yet you agree to the terms of use by visting the site, so you have to agree to the terms to even see the terms, and by that time the spyware is installed) then too bad, you should have been more careful about visting websites without first reading the terms of use (which can't be read without visting the website).
Unless the website designer intended to render a page that launches a vncserver to more conveniently 0wn your PC. Sheeple. Astroturf. Yuck.
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Well woe onto me the only computer I have to use that I can do much with is an aincient assed emachines (that probably has some issue with one or the other memory chips). Upshot: It crashes with some frequency, and since it is usually the browser that does, and it runs on 98, it brings down explorer too - invariably.
So for a bit of time I had totally switched to Opera. Why not Mozilla? Well I admit I've never messed with Firefox for much time at all (mostly because it seemed like the popup blocked insisted on popping up to tell me it had blocked one - GREAT.. I'm sure theres a way to turn that off but I never took the time to find it), so my impression of the whole deal was that compared with IE it was SLOW.. Anyhow, I really came to love a lot of the features in Opera, they seemed really well thought out, and I didn't really experience too many problems with rendering other than some sites looking a bit strange. It was also nice and speedy.
Anyhow, the upshot of all this is I was poking around looking for something that I could use that was a little more useful for RSS, XML, and ATOM feeds than the neeto little Trillian plug I'd been relying on, and I stumbled upon this freeware thing called DeepNet Explorer: http://www.deepnetexplorer.com/.. Bottom line, it is my new browser. None of the sites render weird, it blocks popups, has mouse gestures and tabbed browsing, and best of all it doesn't use 'browser helper objects' so no spyware.. Just thought I'd spread the word. Oh, and just FYI it is basically what I would call an overlay to IE.
-taosk8r
"This campaign is not so much against IE, but for the use of safer and more user-friendly browsers." [emphasis added]
In other words, it is against IE.
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
I just manually change it.slashdot.org URLs to apple.slashdot.org.
It's like my very own Reality Distortion Field.
There's a great extension for Firefox called Single Window that traps windows and puts them in tabs. http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php? id=50&vid=53
Hope this helps.
It renders perfectly under Firefox on both Windows and Linux - and is an extremely well designed interface - kudos to their UI designer and programmers.
If you leave your current bank and state that you're doing it specifically because their site does not work with your browser, they will take note. If enough people do it, they'll get the message and get their act together.
On a related note, our company currently uses Right Now CRM, and that's IE only. Consequently, escalating issues between support and sysadmins / developers is a pain in the ass - currently we (developers) use a windows terminal server from our *nix boxes to run IE. Consequently, they are going to lose our business when the contract is up for renewal (hence AC :)
I had a brother-in-law stay over and I let him use the computer to read email and browse, so he naturally used IE since he didn't know about Mozilla I have installed (IE is only in one place under Accessories|Communication, but he found it). Needless to say after he left I ran my weekly Spybot: Seek and Destroy and AVG anti-virus, only to find a few trojans, a virus and tons of tracking cookies in the IE folders. Needless to say I created a new folder called "Do Not Use" and put the blue E there, hoping no one uses it again.
:)
By the way Mozilla Firefox has been working with my bank since version 0.6 (way to go Wells Fargo!) and I have not had any need to run IE with any other sites I visit. If it doesn't run in Mozilla, I don't want to visit the site, simple as that.
Most sites that do not seem to work with Mozilla are the ones using JavaScript to pop open unrequested windows to function. When MS released SP2 for XP it will block those, forcing many websites to redo their crappy code and make the web even more compatible with Mozilla... one can hope
I have a "friend-like" relationship with a law office, where the primary lawyers are friends of mine.
I suggested to the secretaries one day that they d/l and use Moz on all their systems for security purposes. I d/l'd it once to their file server and let them have at it.
I was shocked when, a month or so later, I discovered they were all using Mozilla on all the systems, just like I'd recommended. There wasn't a single phone call, no complaints, no questions... nothing.
These are the people who call to ask if they should click "Open" or "Save" when they click on a PDF!
I was SHOCKED. Mozilla is clearly a winner!
I've been using it for years, but I'm a Tech Weenie and so really don't qualify as anywhere near your "average" user. For instance, using Windows, I don't feel comfortable until I can get a putty session up on a *nix box when I'm working...
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
Like that major hole in Firefox that was known for years and marked "confidential?"
Not using IE is no problem. Just do what Ms. What's-her-face does and don't click on the blue E. But, there are many other applications that use the same HTML engine as IE. Aren't they just as vulnerable? HTML Help, Frontpage and Outlook are some of the most egregious examples. There are many others.
It's not that I haven't tried to secure IE and Windows. I have tried the various methods for securing out my machine via Security Zones. I ultimately had to turn things back on when my HTML Help stopped working, or I browsed to a website that just wouldn't render properly without ActiveX or scripting turned back on, and I just didn't trust it enough to add it to my Trusted Sites Zone. I have also used Group Policy Editor to enable the Classic desktop turning off Active Desktop.
It's a very dark ride.
I'm surprised no one's mentioned http://avantbrowser.com/ Oh, sure, it's not Mozilla, or Firefox, AND it's an "add-on" for IE. But it has a lot of the stuff that the others have. I don't know all the technical, geeky stuff, but it does allow you to block pop-ups, ads, ActiveX, Flash animations, scripts, Javascript, etc etc. And has the tabbed browsing.
The DOM is a _STANDARD_. When someone "forks" the DOM, it's _NOT_ the DOM anymore. It's proprietary extensions.
So if people have a reference of the DOM handy, things should be no problem. Just emulate (or elliminate) the features that aren't cross-browser, and you're done.
I've learned most of the javascript tricks by reading the DOM levels (NOT versions) 1,2,3 specifications, the DOM events, the DOM stylesheets specs, etc etc. As a web developer, I keep the DOM Specs in my harddrive as a fulltime reference. And of course there are some non-DOM extensions that are really useful, like the world-famous offsetWidth and such. But the rest is DOM.
My javascript automatic validation routines use DOM in a _HEAVY_ way (assigning events, altering nodes, reading nodes' attributes and so on). But I only call ONE function to enable validation on my forms, and voila! And yes, they work on both Moz and IE.
There are only TWO THINGS i haven't been able to do with Mozilla that work on IE.
a) overflow-x (or y), (and that's CSS, not DOM)
and b) Microsoft extensions to the XSLT spec. (Like the eval xslt function).
But I could redesign the page, and use Mozilla's Transformiix implementation of XSLT.
There ya go. All thru the standards.
By the way, if the guys making the original Mosaic had listened to the standards before launching it, we would have CSS1 fully working, 10 years ago. The FONT tag wouldn't have even existed.
But bad web designers don't download the Official DOM Specs. (Just press CTRL-F, search "DOM" 2 or 3 times, and you're done). Instead, they just buy (or download) cheap javascript tutorials or some Microsoft-only ASP for "real dummies" book.
So, whenever someone uses "document.all" instead of using the DOM Standard getElementById, he shouldn't complain that he's using ASP, or that the DOM implementations differ. He's just being lazy (and probably a n00b). Period.
I was feeling really lousy; out of money, no job, my gf was in terrible mood. Then I switched to Phoenix, aka Firefox, and in minutes everything changed! I got a job, lotsa money and the girls are caaling me all the time. So my advice is: Drop IE, it's the single reason your life is bad!
It's a campaign against IE...don't worry, we agree!
Program accessibility & defaults... at least in XP SP1+
One word.....
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http://blogs.msdn.com/dmassy/archive/2004/07/23/1
The best argument so far:
So if you let me turn (bend?) that in my own understanding:
I conclude from that that one should only trust software that one can have access to. As I don't have access to closed source software, I am left with Open Source.
Sneak teach kids Algebra using a game
And again, they forgot all those different languages... that's the only thing I really don't like about mozilla and it's web sites (and now also that browsehappy thing (which I otherwise like)).
The "Why is Internet Explorer Unsafe" section of the site links to a New York Times article: "In Search of a Browser That Banishes Clutter". It's about Katherine Sandlin who is devoted to Firefox.
zWhat would an EWOULDBLOCK block, if an EWOULDBLOCK could block would? -- me
I'd have switched to Opera or Firefox already, but still I remain with IE in spite of the threats to my security and privacy. One of the big reasons is because I like my shortcut collection - "favorites" - to be INDEPENDENT OF THE BROWSER. What if - *gasp* - I might actually want to have several browsers and be able to actively switch between them, sharing and adding to the SAME on-disk collection of shortcuts rather than separate and distinct proprietary ones? Netscape certainly had no clue how to do it, and neither does Opera nor even Firefox; they can all import and export, but they can't actually SAVE to and manage non-proprietary shortcut files... Internet Explorer can and does just that, with .URL files (which may be proprietary to MS but not particularly to IE, AFAICT).
anyone managed to get links in outlook (don't start with the thunderbird business, ok? this is a technical question and you're only allowed to answer if you know the answer to it!) to open in the "default browser" rather than IE under XP? all my machines default to IE rather than Firefox.
Oh, and MyIE2 is the best browsing experience: shame it's based on the IE core though.
Switch off activex and IE suddenly becomes far more secure. You could argue that it shouldnt be there at all, but its a feature that Mozilla doesnt have to compare against IE. It seems a little unfair to make the comparison while its on.
What you have left is a pretty damn secure browser. I know that for a fact because half the hackers in the world are constantly trying to break it. Mozilla on the other hand... well security through ignorance isnt really security at all.
As for that site it provides no evidence of being anything but yet another set of people with nothing better to do than slag off MS products without any real proof or testing. Unless you consider regurgitated news stories hard evidence.
Note no section telling users about activex no section on whether SP2 changes anything. Infact no real information at all. Almost as if there less interested in browsing safe more interested in pushing anything but MS on people. Now I dont mind that at all Internets all about giving opinions (and porn) especially as even I use firefox (ignorance is bliss) but as a serious topic of conversation? You might as well say 'MS sucks! What do you think?'
Still a decent debate may come of it anyway.
wow man, well to tell the AC how to get rid of the colours... i mean, the link in his post didnt do exactly this or anyhting!
Westpac (australian) Barclays (UK) I keep hearing these "no bank sites will work outside of IE" but im yet to hear any specific cases. maybe me and the people I know are just lucky when i comes to choosing banks with decent online services
TIAEAE!
Westpac (australian)
Barclays (UK)
I keep hearing these "no bank sites will work outside of IE" but im yet to hear any specific cases. maybe me and the people I know are just lucky when i comes to choosing banks with decent online services
forgot linebreaks werent automatic.. damn other forums making me lazy
TIAEAE!
ive been using lite mode for years, took me a while to figure out what 'color scheme' people were talking about
The Greek domain is filled with lame sites that work properly only with IE. As much as we want, we can't get rid of IE totally. :-(
Surely, you can say to this people "you are lame, I don't do business with you, I don't buy from you, I don't visit your site". But this decision here in Greece means forget web bankikg (all banks have lame web developers who never heard the word "mozilla") and some of the major news sites. Not even the olympic games site works as good as in IE (although it is not serioysly misrendered like other sites).
I am sure that this applies to other countries as well where linux users are a minority. Most companies consider the cost of testing (or even worse planning) their site to work with all browsers an effort not worthy...
Open an IE browser window and do the following:
Tools/internet options/security options/custom level(for all internet zones).
Disable anything mentioning Java(script) and ActiveX. Do the same thing on the advanced tab.
Click 'OK'/'Apply' as needed on the dialogs.
For safety, restart your computer for all the changes to take effect properly.
Viola! IE is secure against Java(script)/ActiveX security breeches. Alas, you may still be vulnerable to this web browser exploit so be careful with your sensative information!
NEVER EVER GIVE OUT SENSITIVE INFORMATION VIA EMAIL! USE A SECURED HTTPS CONNECTION ON A BRAND-NEW WEB BROWSER WINDOW TO DO THIS! BE SURE TO TYPE THE 'TIP-TOP' WEBSITE ADDRESS (E.G. HTTP://WWW.EXAMPLE.COM/) IN THE ADDRESS BAR AND NAVIGATE THE SITE AS NEEDED!
Sorry for yelling, but being 'phished' out of sensitive information could hapen to anyone!
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Ah, but if you use the hack that I found in a /. discussion (see my journal for a writeup on it), it won't make it.slashdot.org into just plain slashdot.org - it'll make it hireadesigner.slashdot.org, which isn't valid, and therefore behaves as just plain /., but shows up in their logs.
- The smart companies using/trailing OSS will have lower costs and pass the savings onto their customers = more customers = more profit.
- The smart companies using Windows securely will also have lower costs (not as much as OSS) and they will pass these savings onto their customers = more customers = more profit.
- The lame companies using Windows insecurely will suffer high costs, data loss, customer loss. These will either wise-up or go back the 19th century and ultimately out of business.
Perhaps we should start an endangered list of these companies and see how it plays out.Art Makers Just an excuse to show photos of naked women !!
1) Run Ad-Aware and/or Spybot Search & Destroy -- you're probably already infected and don't know it.
Actually, I run ad-aware and a vrus-scanner quite often. The most it ever finds are cookies which in themselves aren't that damaging.
2) Go to this site and download the latest version for your OS.
3) Find wherever you saved the file to, double click it & follow the prompts. Bam, installed.
I've not yet done this for Mozilla, but I have done it for FireFox twice now. Believe me, there were no magical addictive properties that made me want to start using it all the time.
4) Upgrade? Download new version, rename the mozilla folder to mozilla_old, install the new one, move any plug-ins from the old plug-in folder to the new one (when it says something about overwriting the one file that's in both, say 'no'), and delete the mozilla_old folder as soon as you know it all works.
If it's sooo easy, why not write an upgrade feature right into the installer so that it will do those few simple steps for ya? Have you ever had the pleasure of launchign an app, tellign you it has an update and it offers to upgrade for ya? You click OK, the thing downloads, installs and restarts with no user intervention? That is the power of having your computer do the grunt work for you so you can go on doing the work you intended to do! My job is nopt a browser upgrader, it's a computer programmer. When I need to look up an API, damnit, I only need to worry about looking up the API and little else.
It's also better than having all the information on your computer exported to Nigeria, or having your PC used like a proxy while someone hacks into someplace important enough to get the Feds to knock on your door, or having your PC used to store child pornography. Don't laugh, both of these have actually happened to people; check the news...
And those people no doubt had trojans and virii littering their system. I don't. You say you can point me to malware sites, but I won't visit them. I only click on links I trust. Just like I won't take street driving directions from a shady person, I won't follow a link from a shady site. Is that 100% safe? No, but neither is a condom.
All our boxes here run Linux. My sysadmin would not even let me download the flash player because he said it was "not open source". Apparently it is company policy that only stuff compiled here gets run here.
and all I got was this lousy Tosh with 128MB memory. If I ever go to Asia and sell that much I will be sure to buy a new laptop, or at the very least get a RAM upgrade.
"Anyone is free, of course, to deliberately choose insanity and say that the universe is square or heart shaped..." WSB
I tried firefox for a month. Didn't like the pages that were incompatable & didn't work right when launching from Start->Favorites. When it comes out with version 1.10 or so, maybe I will try it again. I will say that it is the only non-IE browser that I didn't hate from the get go.
Both IE and Firefox allow you to select whether they are the "default" browser...here's how to set either one (BTW - I'm using Win2k with Outlook 2002 SP1; I imagine the following should work for you under XP).
:)
Make sure you have EITHER Firefox OR IE open, NOT BOTH.
In Firefox (0.9.2):
Tools > Options > General
You should see a "Default Browser" pane with a checkbox and a "check now" button. The "check now" button opens a dialog telling you whether Firefox is your default browser or not. CHECK the checkbox and click "ok." Next, start (or restart) Outlook. Outlook should now launch Firefox when clicking hyperlinks in your e-mail.
For some reason, when I open links from Outlook e-mail, it opens a "Locate Link Browser" dialog box just before launching Firefox. I haven't bothered to figure out how to stop this, it's probably an easy hack.
If for some reason you HAVE to switch back to IE...
In Internet Explorer (IE 6.0):
Tools > Internet Options > Programs
In the Internet Options dialog, select the "Programs" tab. At the bottom, you should see a checkbox that says something like "Internet Explorer should check to see if it is the default browser." Check this box, click "OK" and then start (or restart) Outlook.
Voila, you're back to IE.
= = = = =
Note how similar the point-click-point process is...the Firefox team obviously had the IE UI in mind.
"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has limits" - Albert Einstein
Ah, the irony. freeipods.com works with IE and not Firefox.
> switch to 'light' mode in your user preferences... you wont get bothered by colorschemes at all ;)
This is not an ideal solution. The REAL solution is to better engineer /. to use modern technologies, like CSS layout and styling. This will allow anyone to provide his own stylesheet to display the site exactly the way they want it. Those who really want a ``lite mode'' will have the option to remove stylesheets altogether. Another tech site where I dwell already uses that method, and I appreciate it (although they unfortunately do not offer alternative stylesheets by default).
In fact, such a move has already been advocated. I don't know how Slashcode works (maybe the business logic is too much intertwined with the presentation layer, this is a common error I've seen in countless CMSes), but I really think that sites preaching standards and interoperability all day long should put their money where their words are and be standards-compliant, interoperable, and accessible. I very much hope the next Slashdot iteration will go in that direction. In the meanwhile, you can always use some filtering proxy to mangle Slashdot's code and avoid the colour scheme (hint : you just need to put a filter like s|(a href="http://)[^\.]*\.(slashdot.org)|$1$2|g in the filters file and call it for .*slashdot.org)
Xenu brings order!
Long ago I began removing IE from my computer using both freeware and pay software. The best I've seen so far is a program called XPLite/2000Lite. This program allows you to remove IE, Outlook, Messenger, the Windows Protection System and a long list of Micro$oft crap that comes installed. http://www.litepc.com/
> This is not an ideal solution.
> blahblahblahblahblahblahblah
Yeah we know.
Light mode is however a practical solution that works today, unlike rewriting slash.
> In fact, such a move has already been advocated. I don't know how Slashcode works
Why not download the slash code and look for yourself? The code is available. You will find that what you propose is possible, but that rewriting Slash from scratch might just be about as much work.
Just in case, I completely agree that the html that slash produces is junk and should be fixed, but there are only 3 things you can do with regards to that: sit down and wait, do it yourself, or pay someone to do it.
As you might imagine, the later 2 are a lot more effective then the first one, and both are feasable since you can in fact download the code and (have someone) fix it.
"This campaign is not so much against IE, but for the use of safer and more user-friendly browsers."
Ahh. Just like how the Swift Boat guys aren't for Bush.
i have no install privileges at work. IE 5.5 on win2k SP4 it is for me. :(
Fine.
But the thing is, I have to find that extension, and I have to install it. And different extensions have different authors with different goals. Things may not fit together very well.
As opposed to Opera, which is created with one goal, and everything is right there, integrated tightly in the main application. Everything works together in a way, towards a common goal. It just feels more polished.
Hunting down extensions just to mimic Opera's behavior in Firefox seems a waste of time to me, and extensions can't mimic the whole package anyway. So I went back to Opera.
Since I need Opera's features I'd rather use the real deal instead of trying to build my own Opera all the time.
Disclaimer: This is not trolling or flamebait. Firefox is an excellent basic browser, and I am sure the extension system works for a lot of people. It just doesn't do it for me. I don't see the point in spending time finding useful extensions when all these features are right there when I install Opera.
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I've had trouble using Mozilla on Intel's website and emailed Intel. I received the following reply:
"Thank you for your recent email to the Intel® Channel Member Support Team inquiring about the Intel website.
To view these pages please use the Microsoft Internet Explorer or Netscape Navigator web browsers. These are the only two web browsers
supported on the Intel website."
So, Mozilla, Firefox, Opera, etc. browsers are not supported by Intel. On the other hand, AMD was a little more forward thinking in their site design.
Ask me about my vow of silence!
I wasn't aware that "The Inquirer" was a reliable source document
Tab groups:
Netscape showed a tabgroup as a single item in the bookmarks that you clicked on to open the group of tabs. Firefox shows it as a folder, and you have to open the folder and select "open as tabs" at the bottom, which is annoying. Is there any way to get tab groups to behave more like they did in Netscape?
When you select "open as tabs" for a folder it closes all other open tabs instead of adding the new tabs onto the end.
Tabs:
When you right click on a link it lists "open in new window" before "open in new tab" how do i switch the order of those two?
How do i get rid of the "x" box on the right side of the tabs that closses the current tab? It's annoying and i keep pressing it by mistake.
How do i get rid of the "close other tabs" option when i right click on a tab? I sometimes hit it by mistake when trying to select "close tabs." (Okay, those last two were issues in Netscape as well, but i'd still like to know how to fix them.)
Downloads:
The message "Download Complete" that slides up from the bottom of the screen is _really_ annoying, how do i turn it off? _Nothing_ should be moving around the desktop on it's own!
The whole grouped together downloads thing is annoying, how do i get it to show one download box with percentage in the task bar for each file i am downlading?
Icons:
Sometimes there's an error and a page without an icon gets associated with the icon of another page. How do i clear out the icon from a bookmark?
Is it supposed to save the icons permenatly? All the icons in the bookmarks list are blank again every time i open Firefox. At first i thought this was because Windows almost always crashes before i close Firefox, but i tried loading a few pages and then closing and reopening Firefox and the problem still occured.
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The next release of Firefox will have under the Help menu:
Tell and Friend
and
Promote Firefox.
But there is nothing there yet.
Phillip
I use all 3, depending. Can you set individual windows in Firefox to specific refresh times? Haven't found that yet. I assume Firefox can save sessions, haven't used it that much yet. Can it set windows home pages, the way Opera used to? I still haven't forgiven them for getting rid of that, and of Firefox can do it, I'm not looking back.
It opens a lot of pages Opera can't. No longer do I have to use IE for those sites. Yippee!
I wan't to see what I'm installing, turn off AV if required, etc. Besides, if you get rid of IE, you won't need half their updates anyway.
However you can evade Windows by booting to safe mode and deleting IE manually. Here's how:
1) start/shut down/restart
2) after BIOS boots, press F8 repeatedly while Windows is booting
3) you will get a table of options for safe mode
4) select "safe mode with DOS prompt"
5) when the DOS prompt appears (looks like C:\> ), use these commands: (without quotes)
"cd program files\internet explorer"
"erase/s *.*"
The 1st command changes to the internet explorer directory; the 2nd erases all files in all subdirectories in that directory. When you reboot to Windows, you may have to manually Regedit out all references to IE.
I did this on my WIN2K machine at home and I'm happy as a spyware-free clam.
This also works for deleting Outlook.
"Tightly integrated"? I don't think so.
Eternity: will that be smoking, or non-smoking? I Corinthians 6:9-10
Hopefully they will fix the "Slashdot" rendering error in Firefox.
This is the one where the leftmost column in the Comments window overruns (by about 5 pixels) the middle comment column.
This post encoded with ROT26. If you can read it, you've violated the DMCA. Handcuffs please, sergeant.
Warning: Use non-Microsoft tools and increase the cost of 0wn3rship
See my journal, I write things there
Corporate mandated firefox.
But IE is still on the desktop, next to firefox.
Everytime I go to help someone on their computer, they are still using IE. I close it, and open it in firefox and say "use firefox, bosses say so."
Still doesnt work.
Were probably going to remove IE off of the desktop if this doesnt stop in the next month or so.
FYI, people that use IE at work have much more interesting temp directories then those that use firefox. Dunno if its a personality thing or what.
....shooting fish in a barrel ;). Ultimately you wind up with a large mess but it's kinda fun in the meantime.
Dream as if you'll live forever.
Live as if you'll die tomorrow.
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Let me get my abestose underwear on... ah, ok
I went to the WHY section and the site only qoutes statements from other people, there is no hard facts WHY to change. Because x says something is no reason to switch. Show me real facts. What would be good is something like this:
The website needs to prove its point to convince me. All this has convinced me is that this website states we are better because we are not MS. Come on, the Open Source community can do better.
In God we trust, all others require data.
I think that this ruse has some value, tough, but in a twisted way; if, after this change, some users COMPLAIN about the browser experience, any firefox problem that they indicate is NOT due to a "IE sucks" mantra, and so it is doubly valuable to the firefox team. ...On the other hand, I would REALLY love to try this and hear some moron say:"I told you that IE6 solved all problems", and than click ? -about ....:-)
"If a boss demands loyalty, give him integrity. But if he demands integrity, give him loyalty." (John Boyd, 1927-1997)
...And like your car on the street, you never know when someone will be dumb enough to smash your window, enter the car, steal it and drive off.
However, Mozilla is akin to driving a large truck: Although it can do the major things that IE can do, it can't do simple things. You know, like view active-x pages correctly.
So although Mozilla / Firefox may be 'safer' by virtue of being crippled, I'd much rather steal the multi-faceted car than the broken down truck that can't go under certain overpasses and can't go on certain highway's because of it's protective size.
Don't be taken in by this idiot--he has accounts under the names bonch and Overly Critical Guy. He has a history of astroturfing for Microsoft, bashing anything Open Source, using lies and half-truths to get modded up, karma whoring, and the usual trolling (under his bonch account, he got a troll posted to the front page of Slashdot).
All you have to do to check the veracity of this is to look at the posting history of his two old personnae (linked above) and his current one to figure it out.
Please do not mod this jerk up--every time you do the Slashdot S/N ratio goes down while bonch/Overly Critical Guy/rd_syringe just laughs at you.
This has been a public service announcement
You might want to think about what you just said as people back away from you when you talk and any woman you try to kiss grimaces.
I hope you don't consider toilet paper an evil conspiracy also.
All the revenue from the banners and the paying users can't be for server costs alone - someone is making money off of this, and the customers are complaining.
If you enter to my web page using IE, a popup appears with information on why it's evil, which alternatives do you have, and the responses to several fallacies I often see.
Check it: http://www.danielclemente.com/navega/popup.htm
You can also generate a popup for your website.
I hope it would be useful.
That ALA article was impressive, thanks for the link!
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
http://it.slashdot.org/it/04/07/31/0037210.shtml?t id=154&tid=128&tid=172
Marked "confidential" since 1999.
Have you ever had the pleasure of launchign an app, tellign you it has an update and it offers to upgrade for ya? You click OK, the thing downloads, installs and restarts with no user intervention?
Yes. But usually it installs useless crap or updates to things I don't use and don't want to.
There is an update notification icon which leads you to the update page in firefox, I believe. As for the rest *shrug* I only update it every few months. Moving a few files around is no big deal, especially since that procedure has been the same the whole time.
But yeah, I would like to see the installer smart enough to do that for me.
As for not clicking on links you don't trust, I really hope you never hit the typosquatters. There are more of those damned things than you might think, and they're not hard to hit.
I've had to clean up after one a few years ago (Internet Explorer vulnerabilities are nothing new - just the press about them).
.scr file to the bottom of any HTML pages it could access.
I was working in a pretty clueless web development shop (the type that reckons they are the bee's knees because they support "both" browsers).
One of my collegues was working from home one evening, performing some minor uniform update across a couple of hundred websites.
I can't remember what worm it was, but it attached some sort of
When he came in the next morning and synced up, he infected the live websites. Some of these were quite high-profile websites, so we were probably responsible for tens of thousands of infections at the very least.
I seem to remember that some of our clients weren't very happy about getting feedback from their visitors that virus checkers were popping up warning against their websites. But, of course, the owner span it as irresponsible-yet-super-genius troublemakers that nobody could do anything about. And got away with it.
In my mind I am drawing parallels to Bill Gates and the Dark Lord Sauron, it seems that he can only focus his big evil eye on so many things at a time.
Since he has his browser monopoly he does not need to improve on it anymore only patch security holes (sort of). While he has been looking away to the North at consoles and search engines and about everything else that he does not already completely own, and of course sending the Nazgul lawyers to all points of the globe.
It just me or is Bill really the Dark Lord?
I had the little system tray that would tell me when updates were available. I would click and tell it to download. Then after reviewing the list I would tell is to install. The problem is, it never tells you if the install fails. I went directly to windows update at one point because my non MS certified sound driver was causing me problems so I wanted to get a certified one. It was only then that I saw in my status that my updates had been failing for months. The automatic update feature gave no indication of failure.
This campaign is not so much against IE, but for the use of safer and more user-friendly browsers.
Like the song goes: "You can't have one without the.....ooooother!"
I think IE is designed to thwart people who read the fine print, as are some other products this company produces.
-- Gargonia
Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.
You can do this more easily by typing about:config in the location bar. This can be easier than trying to edit
Hmm, it also looks like there is a "browser.cache.directory" that you may need to set at the same time (on my machine they are almost the same value).
"The big blue button!!!...The big bright shining blue candy-like button!!!.. Can he stand it?!!!.."
I bought this house and you know I'm boss
Ain't no h'aint gonna run me off
Oh, hey, you can indeed put anything into that first part of the hostname. Thanks DNS wildcards!
This URL works too, and if the editors won't listen to their readers, hopefully they'll listen to the United States Secret Service, hehe ;-)
I work in a factory, with around 50 pcs for the administrative personnel. Cleaning slowed down pcs of all their spyware was taking an increasing amount of time. I installed Mozilla on all machines, deleted the MSIE icon from most of them, renamed iexplore.exe to make sure. Only two complaints: Mozilla caused errors when connecting to Ford's EDI system, and payroll deposits to our bank had to be done with MSIE. So for those two users I left both browsers. This has eliminated a big source of wasted time. Next step: eliminate MS Messenger, and on selected production floor pcs use Open Office instead of MS's after compatibility testing of their spreadsheets. Mozilla's mail client will replace Outlook.
s/can/can't
why run from Vincenzo?
I have switched from IE to firefox, and have neer thought once about going back.. I am currently useing the 1.0PR builds and they are amazing, I cant image version 2.. IE will be totaly dead!
:)
Take a look at StopIE, www.stopie.com
I am not sure I agree with these sort of tactics.
's OK. What goes around, comes around.
User's get more than even by calling in to Tech Support with compliants that:
"Provided by the management for your protection."
I think of them more as arsonists, and MS as the builder who keeps on making houses out of balsa wood and flash paper.
I got a chuckle out of that.
To avoid as much IE 0wnage as possible, one can do this.
Fuck off AC - fucking coward - you must be a Republican
Firefox Has popup blocker Explorer Has no popup blocker Firefox Has no Active X or VM Explorer Has Active x and VM Firefox Has Tabbrowser Explorer Has No Tabbrwser Firefox Has no exploit highjack homepage Explorer Has exploit highjack homepage Firefox Has Exsentions Explorer Has no exsetions (Lot of software added to the browser) Overall Firefox is Number 1 in the browser war's.
Sincerity, Brandon
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