> Your attitude is crassly narrowminded and epitomises every prejudiced thought the rest of us have about USA.
Ok first, I was stating a fact. We control the internet as it is now plain and simple. If the rest of the world dropped US connectivity or the things we control here in the US (IE Root NS) to create their on Inter(ExceptUS)net, then it wouldn't be THE Internet. I don't see how my remarks would warrant this attack.
I wasn't saying it was right, I wasn't saying it's fair to the rest of the world, and I definately wasn't saying it couldn't change. I was stating that is the way it was. Damn you're a touchy son'bitch.
The company I work for has more IP address space than the entire country of China. China has about half the population of this planet.
If the US doesn't own the internet, it's pretty fucking close. 3 of the 13 Root Name Servers are in the US. I guess my main point is that just because you aren't in the US....don't think that our laws won't affect you. That is in fact the main problem for non-US countries.
Alright, to be fair, we don't own the internet in that no one can own the internet but you have to admit that we still have control over the rest of the worlds use of the internet.
> Think of an Internet infrastructure where backbone providers may filter out P2P traffic or whatever they believe should not pass through their network... those are the treats.
I don't know about you, but I don't think I would call having my internet access filtered a treat.
> Really? OpenBSD is insecure by design? Remind me the last time they had a remote root exploit in their default install?
Last time I installed OpenBSD, maybe three weeks ago, OpenSSH was part of their default install. I realize that OpenBSD != OpenSSH, however OpenSSH is part of their default install, so my link to a security site regarding OpenSSH being vulnerable still stands.
> " Ummmm... Wouldn't you fry the motherboard by swapping a CPU when the computer's on?" Think Enterprise environment and Big Iron, not desktop machines.
Yeah but my comment was more regarding the use of Big Iron. The only Big Iron I ever heard of is this and I do not believe for one minute that Linux is the operating system on foundry switches. Yet again my question is why would someone need to switch out a processor on a switch without powering it off?
Anyone know why ssh.com's ssh isn't being used more often in linux installations? As I understood the license it's free to use on free os's and it has the source code. Maybe not in the license we'd like, but it appears to be having a lot less problems than OpenSSH has. Maybe it's just me, but I'm starting to group the portable OpenSSH with bind/sendmail/wu-ftpd. Those last 3 are the most common DNS/mail/ftp server and are probably the buggiest.
What are you a? A fucking retard! I clearly stated the following in my post:
> This is probably the first lawsuit I had wished Microsoft came out on top.
I am totally against this, had stated it and I was not being hippocritical. My comment was regarding SOME people on Slashdot being happy that MS got hit with a lawsuit and lost to the likes of Eolas.
IE embeds Flash Plugin, that's what the lawsuit is about. How things are "embedded" IE is just a big plugin into AOL. They may not have to stop shipping AOL client but they may be the next target!
> Yes, I would prefer 2.4+ on the desktop, but I am considering doing a serious downgrade on a few dedicated boxes I have (dns in particular) due to my faith in the ability to crank out a non modular 2.2 kernel that you can't crash. Actually, until 2.4, I hand built every kernel and never used ANY kernel modules, building everything directly in.
Just remember that the OS is getting End of Lifed in December, at which time you will either have to go roll your own update/security patches or figure something out. I hear rpmfind may be keeping things going for EOL'd redhat, but not sure.....
I thought I was pretty clear on what I thought about this matter in my post. Not sure what the hell you were reading but I clearly said:
> This is probably the first lawsuit I had wished Microsoft came out on top.
Doesn't matter who they HAVE sued, I think this is an overly broad patent that shouldn't have been granted in the first place and I stated that opinion.
Netscape has been around for a long time, no reason they can't go after AOL for previous violations. They may not get licensing fees but they CAN get some money for years passed, same as they did with Microsoft.
> Microsoft has already promised to patch IE to remove the offending patent work--isn't that enough?
Are you kidding me? Microsoft is a company that is known to both raid companies through the BSA that *MAY* be out of compliance with the # of licenses installed. I'm sure if a company that was found to be out of compliance said, Ok I promise to remove Windows and migrate to Linux, they'd have a field day in courts over licensing issues. Fuck that man, in regards to this they need to pay up or stop distributing their fucking browser.
Now what bothers me is the scope of this patent, it's too broad and may in fact affect Mozilla and all other browsers for that matter.
Actually this has to do with how plugins are used in the browser and could very well have Mozilla fall within the scope of their patent.
Let's not start singing Eolas' praises until we see whether they are friend or foe, they could just as easily attempt to extort $$$ from Mozilla or Netscape(AOL). This is probably the first lawsuit I had wished Microsoft came out on top.
> But this is not a subscription type license. If it was a subscription then after 1 year if you did not pay more money you would have to uninstall and destroy all copies of the product. This is not the case with the Mad Hatter. You can keep running it, but if you want support you have to pay. (Someone has to pay the phone bills and wages after all...)
What if I don't want support but do want updates (security fixes mostly)? I may be able to keep the software I got, but what good is it if any skr1pt k1dd13 can take over my desktop...
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> Your attitude is crassly narrowminded and epitomises every prejudiced thought the rest of us have about USA.
Ok first, I was stating a fact. We control the internet as it is now plain and simple. If the rest of the world dropped US connectivity or the things we control here in the US (IE Root NS) to create their on Inter(ExceptUS)net, then it wouldn't be THE Internet. I don't see how my remarks would warrant this attack.
I wasn't saying it was right, I wasn't saying it's fair to the rest of the world, and I definately wasn't saying it couldn't change. I was stating that is the way it was. Damn you're a touchy son'bitch.
Quick, install Windows XP on her machine. That'll teach her to fuck with you.
> The US Isn't THE internet....
Damn dude, someone sure lied to you.
The company I work for has more IP address space than the entire country of China. China has about half the population of this planet.
If the US doesn't own the internet, it's pretty fucking close. 3 of the 13 Root Name Servers are in the US. I guess my main point is that just because you aren't in the US....don't think that our laws won't affect you. That is in fact the main problem for non-US countries.
Alright, to be fair, we don't own the internet in that no one can own the internet but you have to admit that we still have control over the rest of the worlds use of the internet.
> Think of an Internet infrastructure where backbone providers may filter out P2P traffic or whatever they believe should not pass through their network... those are the treats.
I don't know about you, but I don't think I would call having my internet access filtered a treat.
My response was to this!
> Really? OpenBSD is insecure by design? Remind me the last time they had a remote root exploit in their default install?
Last time I installed OpenBSD, maybe three weeks ago, OpenSSH was part of their default install. I realize that OpenBSD != OpenSSH, however OpenSSH is part of their default install, so my link to a security site regarding OpenSSH being vulnerable still stands.
Alright man, Thanks.
This is the answer I've been looking for. I mean I picked up on it through context, but I was never entirely sure that was what was meant.
According to this, it was September 16, 2003.
0 03 -09-13/2003-09-19/0
http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/337662/2
Any other questions?
> " Ummmm... Wouldn't you fry the motherboard by swapping a CPU when the computer's on?" Think Enterprise environment and Big Iron, not desktop machines.
Yeah but my comment was more regarding the use of Big Iron. The only Big Iron I ever heard of is this and I do not believe for one minute that Linux is the operating system on foundry switches. Yet again my question is why would someone need to switch out a processor on a switch without powering it off?
Not trolling, just curious... What the hell is a ping daemon?
You mean the file that starts out as follows:
# Automatically generated by make menuconfig: don't edit
Yeah, I guess he can do that.....
hmm..
I didn't know Intel ever made a processor slower than 4.77 MHz, especially not a 3 MHz processor that can support SMP and 2 GB of ram.
For $25K, I'm sure you could get much faster Intels or Athlons, although I must admit I haven't checked the prices recently.
Why would anyone need to change out the cpu of a foundry switch? I mean how often do switch cpu's actually die?
Anyone know why ssh.com's ssh isn't being used more often in linux installations? As I understood the license it's free to use on free os's and it has the source code. Maybe not in the license we'd like, but it appears to be having a lot less problems than OpenSSH has. Maybe it's just me, but I'm starting to group the portable OpenSSH with bind/sendmail/wu-ftpd. Those last 3 are the most common DNS/mail/ftp server and are probably the buggiest.
What are you a? A fucking retard! I clearly stated the following in my post:
> This is probably the first lawsuit I had wished Microsoft came out on top.
I am totally against this, had stated it and I was not being hippocritical. My comment was regarding SOME people on Slashdot being happy that MS got hit with a lawsuit and lost to the likes of Eolas.
I pity the foo, who gave birth to you!
IE embeds Flash Plugin, that's what the lawsuit is about. How things are "embedded" IE is just a big plugin into AOL. They may not have to stop shipping AOL client but they may be the next target!
> Yes, I would prefer 2.4+ on the desktop, but I am considering doing a serious downgrade on a few dedicated boxes I have (dns in particular) due to my faith in the ability to crank out a non modular 2.2 kernel that you can't crash. Actually, until 2.4, I hand built every kernel and never used ANY kernel modules, building everything directly in.
Just remember that the OS is getting End of Lifed in December, at which time you will either have to go roll your own update/security patches or figure something out. I hear rpmfind may be keeping things going for EOL'd redhat, but not sure.....
Sounds to me like it's got a bad motivator
I thought I was pretty clear on what I thought about this matter in my post. Not sure what the hell you were reading but I clearly said:
> This is probably the first lawsuit I had wished Microsoft came out on top.
Doesn't matter who they HAVE sued, I think this is an overly broad patent that shouldn't have been granted in the first place and I stated that opinion.
Netscape has been around for a long time, no reason they can't go after AOL for previous violations. They may not get licensing fees but they CAN get some money for years passed, same as they did with Microsoft.
Why would jsp have anything to do with a patent on Browser Technology? jsp == server side.
> Microsoft has already promised to patch IE to remove the offending patent work--isn't that enough?
Are you kidding me? Microsoft is a company that is known to both raid companies through the BSA that *MAY* be out of compliance with the # of licenses installed. I'm sure if a company that was found to be out of compliance said, Ok I promise to remove Windows and migrate to Linux, they'd have a field day in courts over licensing issues. Fuck that man, in regards to this they need to pay up or stop distributing their fucking browser.
Now what bothers me is the scope of this patent, it's too broad and may in fact affect Mozilla and all other browsers for that matter.
Actually this has to do with how plugins are used in the browser and could very well have Mozilla fall within the scope of their patent.
Let's not start singing Eolas' praises until we see whether they are friend or foe, they could just as easily attempt to extort $$$ from Mozilla or Netscape(AOL). This is probably the first lawsuit I had wished Microsoft came out on top.
Hahaha
Good Beetlejuice reference. I've not seen too many of those here on Slashdot.
Can't say I've ever heard of FreeBDS before. Is it any good?
> But this is not a subscription type license. If it was a subscription then after 1 year if you did not pay more money you would have to uninstall and destroy all copies of the product. This is not the case with the Mad Hatter. You can keep running it, but if you want support you have to pay. (Someone has to pay the phone bills and wages after all...)
What if I don't want support but do want updates (security fixes mostly)? I may be able to keep the software I got, but what good is it if any skr1pt k1dd13 can take over my desktop...