Meaning that - even with the Government-mandated funds transfers from other car companies to Tesla, and the subsidies to Tesla, and the big buyer's subsidies from the Government - they still lose money
"Government-mandated funds transfers from other car companies to Tesla" - ZEV credits? That's not all that much money compared to their sales and Tesla gets ~50 cents on the dollar for those. Also, automakers can easily dodge those with compliance cars - I think.
"and the subsidies to Tesla" - which ones? The $5000 credit Fed credit? That's a tax credit to the buyer not to Tesla
profit? yes from the subsidies payed by taxpayers and flogging off carbon vouchers.
ho, you meant profit from actual sales of cars, nope not a fucking hope.
The subsidies are paid to the buyers, not to Tesla so that's out. The carbon vouchers / ZEV credits help but not as much as one would think. Tesla isn't able to see them for full market value and the total ZEV sales are much smaller than the overall gross margin on the cars.
"Only Ford was healthy enough and managed well enough to not require any government bail outs" It's been a long time since Ford could make everything they needed for their cars. Despite their relatively healthy status compared to the other automakers, they supported the call for the industry to be saved since the collapse of the competition would have devastated their own supply chain. So one way or another, they too got a bailout and would have been devastated without one. Ford also accepted $6 billion in super-low interest loans for plant retooling of which they have yet to pay any back. They also borrowed almost $24 billion but most of that has been repaid. I guarantee that neither you nor I could get the kinds of interest rates they received.
Very likely but how much is uncertain and their infrastructure spending on growth means they'll bleed quite a bit of red ink for a few years yet. But they do need to get that under control, especially by improving the build quality and making cars that are easier to assemble & repair.
The article I r ead was highly nuanced. It didn't say not to call a lie when its clearly a lie, but its more likely that because much of what Trump may say is not in fact intended to be a lie, that saying its a lie is hyperbolic. Better to expose the inaccuracy of something said, rather than attack the messenger.
At least that's what I took from it.
"I don't do nuance" - George W. Bush, and neither does a lot of the rightwing when they're hating on Clinton & Obama. I think the mainstream left is not so partisan but I could be wrong.
You're mistaken, sorry to say. I'm quite a punster & punisher and double-entendres don't usually get by me in English. I even get some of the ones in French & Spanish.
Really? That's the low point? I deleted Vista after 3 weeks and went back to XP & Linux. But I've been happy with Win7 since before the official release while Win 8.x & 10 are painfully frustrating to use.
While this is ultimately an economic decision (small car sales are waaaay down and Ford doesn't need another factory), I can't imagine the threat of tariffs didn't factor into the decision to cancel the Mexican factory. Nevertheless, it's amazing how the online comments sections are taking a black vs.white/pro vs. anti-Trump side to a nuanced subject.
Ultimately, this is good news for Michigan workers, whether or not we bring politics into the discussion.
Politics has long been a part of every economic discussion, especially where foreign vs domestic jobs are concerned. But Obama did a lot more for the auto industry & Michigan, but it'll make scant difference to his legacy.
My biggest complaint is that security updates are now bungled with UI or functionality changes. I don't mean functionality additions, I mean where the way something behaves from the user point of view, a behavior that had no fault in it, is rewritten an the previous way is removed entirely, or where arbitrary changes are made solely for change's sake in order to attempt to demonstrate the newness of the new version
That's a pet peeve of mine. Some improvements in UI are welcome but some are just showy and otherwise pointless. .
What I find even funnier is the use of font that don't let you tell the difference between a capital "I", the number one, and a lowercase "ell". "John Paul II III" - I actually saw this as the headline on a local newspaper's front page.
I don't want a car that breaks, automatically or not.
Then biking (don't fall and watch out for door prizes) and public transit, except for all those times it's not working well, is for you. Or walking. Or not leaving the house
Just in case you (or anyone else reading this) doesn't know, there is a very very convincing, and solid theory that JarJar was in fact THE Phantom Menace alluded to in the title. Check youtube for jarjar sith theory and check them out. I'm not saying I'm 100% convinced, but I need a better reason to disbelieve than just the fanboy hate of GL thinking, "aww, no, he's not clever enough to do that."
I did read that last year. If Lucas did plan that & then backed off because Binks was so disliked, then he's a fucking coward. That would have been a Crying Game-level twist.
My father taught at the high school level for over 30 years - English, Spanish, Geography, History - the stress of dealing with other people's ill-behaved, entitled oversized brats nearly caused a nervous breakdown. For about 1/2 those years, he also coached soccer & taught night classes to adults to make ends meet. I'd sooner sell weed than teach high school. And there are a fuckton more hours spent working outside the classroom that in it.
Those who give a shit about their customers and try to do their very best for them DO make themselves available 24/7. These are the people I will do business with. In my experience, the most important selection criteria for anything is the quality of the product itself, and the second close behind is the type of support you'll receive.
Of course usually you expect to pay premium price for premium service. In MY experience, the world is full of shitstains who want 24/7 availability but don't want to pay for it.
As someone who's had to deal with more than a few such cheapskates, I take particular pleasure in waking them up when there's a service outage. It's even better when the outage is resolved quickly or goes on so long that it overlaps shifts - the plebs get relieved but most of the senior mgmt can't leave the conf calls for very long
Not for not knowing how to use e-mails, but for maintaining her OFFICIAL WORK ON A PRIVATE SERVER, CRETIN!!!
I never thought this was a good idea on the part of the Clinton camp - my advice to them would have been this was a STUPID thing to do - but it didn't seem to be a problem when others were using private emails officially. Also, the Bush / Cheney administration "misplaced" several MILLION e-mails and there was barely any outrage but Clinton's fuckup makes her the Worst Woman Ever? http://mediamatters.org/blog/2...
Fact is Trump made a deal with Putin. Win me the election and will sanctions.
No, that's not a fact. It's pure conjecture.
Don't we now live in a post-fact world? WSJ editor-in-chief Gerard Baker says that stories will *not* call Trump a liar as this is "too partisan" but will merely investigate his claims and post those stories separately for readers to make up their own minds. However, the WSJ has had no qualms in labeling Edward Snowden a liar in several stories.
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Meaning that - even with the Government-mandated funds transfers from other car companies to Tesla, and the subsidies to Tesla, and the big buyer's subsidies from the Government - they still lose money
"Government-mandated funds transfers from other car companies to Tesla" - ZEV credits? That's not all that much money compared to their sales and Tesla gets ~50 cents on the dollar for those. Also, automakers can easily dodge those with compliance cars - I think.
"and the subsidies to Tesla" - which ones? The $5000 credit Fed credit? That's a tax credit to the buyer not to Tesla
profit? yes from the subsidies payed by taxpayers and flogging off carbon vouchers.
ho, you meant profit from actual sales of cars, nope not a fucking hope.
The subsidies are paid to the buyers, not to Tesla so that's out.
The carbon vouchers / ZEV credits help but not as much as one would think. Tesla isn't able to see them for full market value and the total ZEV sales are much smaller than the overall gross margin on the cars.
"Only Ford was healthy enough and managed well enough to not require any government bail outs"
It's been a long time since Ford could make everything they needed for their cars.
Despite their relatively healthy status compared to the other automakers, they supported the call for the industry to be saved since the collapse of the competition would have devastated their own supply chain.
So one way or another, they too got a bailout and would have been devastated without one.
Ford also accepted $6 billion in super-low interest loans for plant retooling of which they have yet to pay any back.
They also borrowed almost $24 billion but most of that has been repaid. I guarantee that neither you nor I could get the kinds of interest rates they received.
Are they yet making a profit on each sold?
Very likely but how much is uncertain and their infrastructure spending on growth means they'll bleed quite a bit of red ink for a few years yet.
But they do need to get that under control, especially by improving the build quality and making cars that are easier to assemble & repair.
3 years ago they predicted 100,000 in 2016
http://insideevs.com/tesla-pro...
In January of 2016 they were projecting over 3,200
http://www.fool.com/investing/...
The 100k prediction for 2016 was by a Forbes contributor, not Musk or Tesla.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ch...
The article I r ead was highly nuanced. It didn't say not to call a lie when its clearly a lie, but its more likely that because much of what Trump may say is not in fact intended to be a lie, that saying its a lie is hyperbolic. Better to expose the inaccuracy of something said, rather than attack the messenger.
At least that's what I took from it.
"I don't do nuance" - George W. Bush, and neither does a lot of the rightwing when they're hating on Clinton & Obama. I think the mainstream left is not so partisan but I could be wrong.
I really don't think you did.
You're mistaken, sorry to say. I'm quite a punster & punisher and double-entendres don't usually get by me in English. I even get some of the ones in French & Spanish.
It's just a step to the left. -PCP
Jump to the left, then a step to the right is how it goes. Or should I say "went"?
To me, that makes Windows 7 the nadir
Really? That's the low point?
I deleted Vista after 3 weeks and went back to XP & Linux. But I've been happy with Win7 since before the official release while Win 8.x & 10 are painfully frustrating to use.
While this is ultimately an economic decision (small car sales are waaaay down and Ford doesn't need another factory), I can't imagine the threat of tariffs didn't factor into the decision to cancel the Mexican factory. Nevertheless, it's amazing how the online comments sections are taking a black vs.white/pro vs. anti-Trump side to a nuanced subject.
Ultimately, this is good news for Michigan workers, whether or not we bring politics into the discussion.
Politics has long been a part of every economic discussion, especially where foreign vs domestic jobs are concerned.
But Obama did a lot more for the auto industry & Michigan, but it'll make scant difference to his legacy.
I dunno, my own algorithms detect a 90% likelihood of pelvic thrust.
Reading that put me in a time warp back to 1975
My biggest complaint is that security updates are now bungled with UI or functionality changes. I don't mean functionality additions, I mean where the way something behaves from the user point of view, a behavior that had no fault in it, is rewritten an the previous way is removed entirely, or where arbitrary changes are made solely for change's sake in order to attempt to demonstrate the newness of the new version
That's a pet peeve of mine. Some improvements in UI are welcome but some are just showy and otherwise pointless.
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NASA's hardly one to speak, having approved the Shuttle with no launch abort system at all
Which is frankly amazing. Someone should have gone to prison over that decision
BTW, SpaceX is planning their next launch on sunday jan 8
Thanks. Was wondering when that would happen considering they were supposed to start up again in November
Whoosh. The sound of OP's comment going right over your head.....
I understood him but funny or not, he's ruled out *every* automobile.
What I find even funnier is the use of font that don't let you tell the difference between a capital "I", the number one, and a lowercase "ell". "John Paul II III" - I actually saw this as the headline on a local newspaper's front page.
John Pau One Two Three, the once & future Pope
You have no chance to survive make your time
I don't want a car that breaks, automatically or not.
Then biking (don't fall and watch out for door prizes) and public transit, except for all those times it's not working well, is for you.
Or walking. Or not leaving the house
What's going on at SpaceX?
Just in case you (or anyone else reading this) doesn't know, there is a very very convincing, and solid theory that JarJar was in fact THE Phantom Menace alluded to in the title. Check youtube for jarjar sith theory and check them out. I'm not saying I'm 100% convinced, but I need a better reason to disbelieve than just the fanboy hate of GL thinking, "aww, no, he's not clever enough to do that."
I did read that last year. If Lucas did plan that & then backed off because Binks was so disliked, then he's a fucking coward. That would have been a Crying Game-level twist.
My father taught at the high school level for over 30 years - English, Spanish, Geography, History - the stress of dealing with other people's ill-behaved, entitled oversized brats nearly caused a nervous breakdown. For about 1/2 those years, he also coached soccer & taught night classes to adults to make ends meet.
I'd sooner sell weed than teach high school. And there are a fuckton more hours spent working outside the classroom that in it.
Those who give a shit about their customers and try to do their very best for them DO make themselves available 24/7. These are the people I will do business with. In my experience, the most important selection criteria for anything is the quality of the product itself, and the second close behind is the type of support you'll receive.
Of course usually you expect to pay premium price for premium service. In MY experience, the world is full of shitstains who want 24/7 availability but don't want to pay for it.
As someone who's had to deal with more than a few such cheapskates, I take particular pleasure in waking them up when there's a service outage.
It's even better when the outage is resolved quickly or goes on so long that it overlaps shifts - the plebs get relieved but most of the senior mgmt can't leave the conf calls for very long
The best mindfuck would be remaking Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith with Jar Jar Binks as a Sith Lord
Not for not knowing how to use e-mails, but for maintaining her OFFICIAL WORK ON A PRIVATE SERVER, CRETIN!!!
I never thought this was a good idea on the part of the Clinton camp - my advice to them would have been this was a STUPID thing to do - but it didn't seem to be a problem when others were using private emails officially.
Also, the Bush / Cheney administration "misplaced" several MILLION e-mails and there was barely any outrage but Clinton's fuckup makes her the Worst Woman Ever?
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2...
Fact is Trump made a deal with Putin. Win me the election and will sanctions.
No, that's not a fact. It's pure conjecture.
Don't we now live in a post-fact world? WSJ editor-in-chief Gerard Baker says that stories will *not* call Trump a liar as this is "too partisan" but will merely investigate his claims and post those stories separately for readers to make up their own minds.
However, the WSJ has had no qualms in labeling Edward Snowden a liar in several stories.