In India, working it IT? Not so easy to find. I'll will say their written English is quite excellent so I've always tried to deal with them by e-mail or chat.
Since the publication of Mann's original work showing the hockey stick, other reconstructions using different proxies have also shown hockey sticks.
And arguing the "wealth and power" is actually irrelevant if the conclusions are accurate. Not to mention, there's a whole lot MORE wealth and power that's been amassed on the opposing side.
It's telling that Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon now admits there's warming although he says humanity will adapt. I'm certain he's been convinced of the reality of global warming for a long time.
What he's not saying but knows full well is that we can adapt OR die - and adaptation to extreme events always entails a lot OF dying.
The Danes have excellent records going back to the '30s. And let's not forget that the volume is also dropping precipitously but that's much more difficult to measure.
We would probably also have to grow more food locally and it would take time to make the change but I think it's doable. Victory gardens made a huge difference in WW2. More vegetable gardens, fewer lawns. Schools and universities could grow a lot of stuff, possibly more than their cafeterias could handle. If every student put in 1/2 hour labor per week, that would be more than enough.
Based on the info I provided from NOAA's monthly update, it's not clear how you justify your "cool year" while simultaneously stating that, and I quote, "global trends are important". Perhaps that the remaining 4 months of 2013 will be much cooler than average? That's plausible but it would have to be quite a remarkable bout of global cooling to make this year fall out of the top 12 or top 15 on record.
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for July 2013 was the sixth highest on record, at 0.61C (1.10F) above the 20th century average of 15.8C (60.4F). The global land surface temperature was 0.78C (1.40F) above the 20th century average of 14.3C (57.8F), marking the eighth warmest July on record. For the ocean, the July global sea surface temperature was 0.54C (0.97F) above the 20th century average of 16.4C (61.5F), the fifth warmest July on record. The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–July period (year-to-date) was 0.59C (1.06F) above the 20th century average of 13.8C (56.9F), tying with 2003 as the sixth warmest such period on record.
August Global Highlights - http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/8 The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for August 2013 tied with 2005 as the fourth highest in the 1880–2013 record, at 0.62C (1.12F) above the 20th century average of 15.6C (60.1F). The global land surface temperature was 0.77C (1.39F) above the 20th century average of 13.8C (56.9F), the 11th warmest August on record. For the global oceans, the August average sea surface temperature was 0.57C (1.03F) above the 20th century average of 16.4C (61.4F), tying with 1998, 2003, 2005, and 2009 as the record highest for August. The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the June–August period was 0.62C (1.12F) above the 20th century average of 15.6C (60.1F), tying with 2009 as the fifth warmest such period on record. The June–August worldwide land surface temperature was 0.85C (1.53F) above the 20th century average, the seventh warmest such period on record. The global ocean surface temperature for the same period was 0.53C (0.95F) above the 20th century average, the fifth warmest June–August on record. The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the year-to-date (January–August) was 0.59C (1.06F) above the 20th century average of 14.0C (57.3F), tying with 2003 as the sixth warmest such period on record.
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for May 2013 tied with 1998 and 2005 as the third warmest on record, at 0.66C (1.19F) above the 20th century average of 14.8C (58.6F). The global land surface temperature was 1.11C (2.00F) above the 20th century average of 11.1C (52.0F), also the third warmest May on record. For the ocean, the May global sea surface temperature was 0.49C (0.88F) above the 20th century average of 16.3C (61.3F), tying with 2003 and 2009 as the fifth warmest May on record. The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the March–May period was 0.59C (1.06F) above the 20th century average of 13.7C (56.7F), tying with 2004 as the eighth warmest such period on record. The March–May worldwide land surface temperature was 0.97C (1.75F) above the 20th century average, the 11th warmest such period on record. The global ocean surface temperature for the same period was 0.45C (0.81F) above the 20th century average and tied with 2001 as the seventh warmest such period on record. The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–May period (year-to-date) was 0.59C (1.06F) above the 20th century average of 13.1C (55.5F), the eighth warmest such period on record.
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for June 2013 tied with 2006 as the fifth highest on record, at 0.64C (1.15F) above the 20th century average of 15.5C (59.9F). The global land surface temperature was 1.05C (1.89F) above the 20th century average of 13.3C (55.9F), marking the third warmest June on record. For the ocean, the June global sea surface temperature was 0.48C (0.86F) above the 20th century average of 16.4C (61.5F), the 10th warmest June on record. The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–June period (year-to-date) was 0.59C (1.06F) above the 20th century average of 13.5C (56.3F), tying with 2003 as the seventh warmest such period on record.
The average combined global land and ocean surface temperature for January 2013 tied with 1995 as the ninth warmest January since records began in 1880, at 0.54C (0.97F) above the 20th century average of 12.0C (53.6F).
The globally-averaged land surface temperature for January 2013 was the 13th warmest January on record, at 0.90C (1.62F) above average. The average land surface temperature across the Southern Hemisphere was record warm for the month.
The globally-averaged ocean surface temperature was the eighth warmest January on record, at 0.41C (0.74F) above average.
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for February 2013 tied with 2003 as the ninth warmest on record, at 0.57C (1.03F) above the 20th century average of 12.1C (53.9F). The global land surface temperature was 1.00C (1.80F) above the 20th century average of 3.2C (37.8F), tying with 2010 as the 11th warmest February on record. For the ocean, the February global sea surface temperature was 0.42C (0.76F) above the 20th century average of 15.9C (60.6F), making it the eighth warmest February on record. The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the December–February period was 0.51C (0.92F) above the 20th century average of 12.1C (53.8F), making it the 12th warmest such period on record. The December–February worldwide land surface temperature was 0.71C (1.28F) above the 20th century average, tying with 1992 as the 15th warmest such period on record. The global ocean surface temperature for the same period was 0.43C (0.77F) above the 20th century average and was the eighth warmest such period on record. The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–February period (year-to-date) was 0.56C (1.01F) above the 20th century average of 12.1C (53.8F), tying with 2005 as the ninth warmest such period on record.
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for March 2013 tied with 2006 as the 10th warmest on record, at 0.58C (1.04F) above the 20th century average of 12.3C (54.1F). The global land surface temperature was 1.06C (1.91F) above the 20th century average of 5.0C (40.8F), the 11th warmest March on record. For the ocean, the March global sea surface temperature was 0.41C (0.74F) above the 20th century average of 15.9C (60.7F), making it the ninth warmest March on record. The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–March period (year-to-date) was 0.58C (1.04F) above the 20th century average of 12.3C (54.1F), the eighth warmest such period on record.
You can start with Hansen's 1981 paper about CO2 which lists a dozen forcings, some positive, some negative and their relative strengths.
CO2 is NOT a particularly strong forcing; there are quite a few that are MUCH stronger in VERY low concentrations, some positive, some negative. But CO2 is PERSISTENT over decades or longer whereas most other forcings are diminished in weeks to years.
So you have to quantify what the effects of those others are before saying that CO2 has negligible impact.
And then there's ocean circulation but that's a big topic and not particularly well-understood.
There's a big omission in Spencer's graph - datasets of ground-based temp measurements. The satellite readings have always been cooler and have needed numerous adjustments one way or the other. If he were thinking like a scientist and not a regulator, he'd incorporate other observation-based data instead of taking the satellite measurements as, well, gospel.
Some of those pollutants have strong cooling effects so they slow down the warming from increased GHGs. So cleaning up the air will proably speed up warming unless we do a hell of a lot of CCS or get a more volcanic eruptions.
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Keep soldiering on, AC
See links below:
Charts from 1893 - 1956
http://nsidc.org/data/docs/noaa/g02203-dmi/
ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02203/
Judging by YOUR written English, you're not Indian.
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Been there, lived through that and got royally screwed - and not in the good way.
In India, working it IT? Not so easy to find.
I'll will say their written English is quite excellent so I've always tried to deal with them by e-mail or chat.
Doesn't China outsource this stuff to North Korea?
Send Dennis Rodman to broker a deal with L'il Kim.
Since the publication of Mann's original work showing the hockey stick, other reconstructions using different proxies have also shown hockey sticks.
And arguing the "wealth and power" is actually irrelevant if the conclusions are accurate. Not to mention, there's a whole lot MORE wealth and power that's been amassed on the opposing side.
It's telling that Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon now admits there's warming although he says humanity will adapt.
I'm certain he's been convinced of the reality of global warming for a long time.
What he's not saying but knows full well is that we can adapt OR die - and adaptation to extreme events always entails a lot OF dying.
Thx for the info.
That actually would have been clever if the topic was evolution.
The Danes have excellent records going back to the '30s.
And let's not forget that the volume is also dropping precipitously but that's much more difficult to measure.
Clients win or lose, lawyers just get paid.
They would probably be better off building with cob
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cob_(building)
I'm impressed but that's a Benz, not a Tesla and if I could afford an S-class, I'd be driving a Model S.
Well done, Larry. I hope more developers have a spine as stiff as yours.
Agreed. Affordable & reliable 1st, autonomous later.
We would probably also have to grow more food locally and it would take time to make the change but I think it's doable.
Victory gardens made a huge difference in WW2.
More vegetable gardens, fewer lawns. Schools and universities could grow a lot of stuff, possibly more than their cafeterias could handle.
If every student put in 1/2 hour labor per week, that would be more than enough.
Based on the info I provided from NOAA's monthly update, it's not clear how you justify your "cool year" while simultaneously stating that, and I quote, "global trends are important".
Perhaps that the remaining 4 months of 2013 will be much cooler than average? That's plausible but it would have to be quite a remarkable bout of global cooling to make this year fall out of the top 12 or top 15 on record.
Here's what NOAA has to say month by month for 2013 (continued)
July Global Highlights - http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/7
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for July 2013 was the sixth highest on record, at 0.61C (1.10F) above the 20th century average of 15.8C (60.4F).
The global land surface temperature was 0.78C (1.40F) above the 20th century average of 14.3C (57.8F), marking the eighth warmest July on record. For the ocean, the July global sea surface temperature was 0.54C (0.97F) above the 20th century average of 16.4C (61.5F), the fifth warmest July on record.
The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–July period (year-to-date) was 0.59C (1.06F) above the 20th century average of 13.8C (56.9F), tying with 2003 as the sixth warmest such period on record.
August Global Highlights - http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/8
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for August 2013 tied with 2005 as the fourth highest in the 1880–2013 record, at 0.62C (1.12F) above the 20th century average of 15.6C (60.1F).
The global land surface temperature was 0.77C (1.39F) above the 20th century average of 13.8C (56.9F), the 11th warmest August on record. For the global oceans, the August average sea surface temperature was 0.57C (1.03F) above the 20th century average of 16.4C (61.4F), tying with 1998, 2003, 2005, and 2009 as the record highest for August.
The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the June–August period was 0.62C (1.12F) above the 20th century average of 15.6C (60.1F), tying with 2009 as the fifth warmest such period on record.
The June–August worldwide land surface temperature was 0.85C (1.53F) above the 20th century average, the seventh warmest such period on record. The global ocean surface temperature for the same period was 0.53C (0.95F) above the 20th century average, the fifth warmest June–August on record.
The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the year-to-date (January–August) was 0.59C (1.06F) above the 20th century average of 14.0C (57.3F), tying with 2003 as the sixth warmest such period on record.
Here's what NOAA has to say month by month for 2013 (continued)
April Global Highlights - looks like an error has this page pointing to the June update so details can be found instead at
http://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/april-2013-global-climate-update
May Global Highlights - http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/5
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for May 2013 tied with 1998 and 2005 as the third warmest on record, at 0.66C (1.19F) above the 20th century average of 14.8C (58.6F).
The global land surface temperature was 1.11C (2.00F) above the 20th century average of 11.1C (52.0F), also the third warmest May on record. For the ocean, the May global sea surface temperature was 0.49C (0.88F) above the 20th century average of 16.3C (61.3F), tying with 2003 and 2009 as the fifth warmest May on record.
The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the March–May period was 0.59C (1.06F) above the 20th century average of 13.7C (56.7F), tying with 2004 as the eighth warmest such period on record.
The March–May worldwide land surface temperature was 0.97C (1.75F) above the 20th century average, the 11th warmest such period on record. The global ocean surface temperature for the same period was 0.45C (0.81F) above the 20th century average and tied with 2001 as the seventh warmest such period on record.
The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–May period (year-to-date) was 0.59C (1.06F) above the 20th century average of 13.1C (55.5F), the eighth warmest such period on record.
June Global Updates - http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/6
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for June 2013 tied with 2006 as the fifth highest on record, at 0.64C (1.15F) above the 20th century average of 15.5C (59.9F).
The global land surface temperature was 1.05C (1.89F) above the 20th century average of 13.3C (55.9F), marking the third warmest June on record. For the ocean, the June global sea surface temperature was 0.48C (0.86F) above the 20th century average of 16.4C (61.5F), the 10th warmest June on record.
The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–June period (year-to-date) was 0.59C (1.06F) above the 20th century average of 13.5C (56.3F), tying with 2003 as the seventh warmest such period on record.
Here's what NOAA has to say month by month for 2013
January Global Highlights - http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/1
The average combined global land and ocean surface temperature for January 2013 tied with 1995 as the ninth warmest January since records began in 1880, at 0.54C (0.97F) above the 20th century average of 12.0C (53.6F).
The globally-averaged land surface temperature for January 2013 was the 13th warmest January on record, at 0.90C (1.62F) above average. The average land surface temperature across the Southern Hemisphere was record warm for the month.
The globally-averaged ocean surface temperature was the eighth warmest January on record, at 0.41C (0.74F) above average.
February Global Highlights - http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/2
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for February 2013 tied with 2003 as the ninth warmest on record, at 0.57C (1.03F) above the 20th century average of 12.1C (53.9F).
The global land surface temperature was 1.00C (1.80F) above the 20th century average of 3.2C (37.8F), tying with 2010 as the 11th warmest February on record. For the ocean, the February global sea surface temperature was 0.42C (0.76F) above the 20th century average of 15.9C (60.6F), making it the eighth warmest February on record.
The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the December–February period was 0.51C (0.92F) above the 20th century average of 12.1C (53.8F), making it the 12th warmest such period on record.
The December–February worldwide land surface temperature was 0.71C (1.28F) above the 20th century average, tying with 1992 as the 15th warmest such period on record. The global ocean surface temperature for the same period was 0.43C (0.77F) above the 20th century average and was the eighth warmest such period on record.
The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–February period (year-to-date) was 0.56C (1.01F) above the 20th century average of 12.1C (53.8F), tying with 2005 as the ninth warmest such period on record.
March Global Highlights - http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/3
The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for March 2013 tied with 2006 as the 10th warmest on record, at 0.58C (1.04F) above the 20th century average of 12.3C (54.1F).
The global land surface temperature was 1.06C (1.91F) above the 20th century average of 5.0C (40.8F), the 11th warmest March on record. For the ocean, the March global sea surface temperature was 0.41C (0.74F) above the 20th century average of 15.9C (60.7F), making it the ninth warmest March on record.
The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–March period (year-to-date) was 0.58C (1.04F) above the 20th century average of 12.3C (54.1F), the eighth warmest such period on record.
Perhaps the average American's plastic trash is ending up elsewhere?
Say in one of these - http://5gyres.org/ or some other body of water?
http://guardianlv.com/2013/08/great-lakes-of-america-are-polluted-by-plastic/
You can start with Hansen's 1981 paper about CO2 which lists a dozen forcings, some positive, some negative and their relative strengths.
CO2 is NOT a particularly strong forcing; there are quite a few that are MUCH stronger in VERY low concentrations, some positive, some negative.
But CO2 is PERSISTENT over decades or longer whereas most other forcings are diminished in weeks to years.
So you have to quantify what the effects of those others are before saying that CO2 has negligible impact.
And then there's ocean circulation but that's a big topic and not particularly well-understood.
I'm sure even Spencer could figure that out.
There's a big omission in Spencer's graph - datasets of ground-based temp measurements.
The satellite readings have always been cooler and have needed numerous adjustments one way or the other.
If he were thinking like a scientist and not a regulator, he'd incorporate other observation-based data instead of taking the satellite measurements as, well, gospel.
Some of those pollutants have strong cooling effects so they slow down the warming from increased GHGs.
So cleaning up the air will proably speed up warming unless we do a hell of a lot of CCS or get a more volcanic eruptions.