Like everything else, I'd pay a little a lot of times, rather than a lot once.
Speak for yourself! That's exactly what they want you to do. They want you to pay LOTS of times! I don't want to pay lots of times, I want to pay once. I am not going to participate in anything that does not have a predictible bottom line. If traditional entertainment becomes Pay-per-use, then they will stop getting ANY of my money. I'll put in the extra effort to create my own entertainment.
I want to know how much something is going to cost up front. If I want to be entertained, I don't want to pay for the same passive entertainment multiple times. Put a price on your service/product/content/whatever, and let me decide wether I want to pay it or not. If there's no SINGLE price tag, then I'm not buying.
Having small prices per unit of entertainment that you don't get to keep is a way of jacking up the price without you noticing.
I didn't realize there was an option to turn it off. That's the same place that the "Hide file extensions" option is, so I know I've been in there, but I may have missed it. Do you know what version they introduced that in?
I understand what you're trying to say about the FAT/VFAT thing, but it's just not true. If I'm typing a filename in on a VFAT based windows file system, that name has never been anywhere but where I'm typing it. The decision to disallow renaming a file in all caps was either arbitrary or asthetic, not technical. (Or if it was technical, it was poor design. If that was their intention they should check for the conversion only once, and only where apropriate. When you copy a file form a FAT16 volume, check. When you display a FAT16 Filesystem in a window, check. When you don't need to do it, don't check. That's 3 more lines of code then what they did, but I bet it would speed up opening directory windows. No wonder the windows GUI is so damn slow without outrageous hardware.)
There's more to IT than scalable switches and making sure that you can ping the server. Come up with new applications of the technology and make yourselves valuable.
I personally don't think that should be called IT. IT - Information Technology - is making the data flow. It's not designing new ways to use networks, or creating innovative applications. Instead it's building the same old database application with different field names, or configuring a router with a wizard. To me, this is just the image that things called IT have put out. I won't call myself an IT worker because of this. I don't do any of those things, and that is what people who write paychecks see when you say "IT".
Those things that are called "IT" really are essentially dead from the view of the person asking this question, because the work is 99% done. There aren't any innovative things you can do with a database that are essential to corporate activity. Most places have systems in place that work, and don't need to waste money on new crap. Companies that are thinking this way are right. Too much money was wasted on buying infrastructure over and over again. Lets wait 10 years before we do that again.
In the mean time, there is plenty of money to be made in the market if you can think of new, innovative things, and are capable of designing high performance technology. Hopefully the people who were going along on the IT ride for the extra cash will be weeded out, and progress can be made again without wasting money on salarys for people with barely enough knowledge to get in the door. If you want in, and I shouldn't have to tell you this I suppose, the first thing you have to do is forget about "IT" and calling yourself an "IT" worker. Be an engineer. The buzzwords matter when you have to convince somebody who doesn't really understand what you do to write you a big fat check every week.
They have gotten along fine without conflicts because they've always been that way. If you suddenly change to case-insensitivity after years of working the other way, you have a whole slew of migration issues.
What I mean is that you can't JUST change the filesystem. It's much less simple then that when you have existing files to deal with and you suddenly change the rules.
What version of windows are you using? I think the behavior might be differnet in Windows 2000+ then in 98. I don't have 98 handy at work, but I thought that if you didn't have extensions displayed it did this same thing for files too.... Anyway, that's not the point, the point is that it doesn't work exactly how the initial poster (was it you?) described, and the way it was described makes more sense then how it actually works.
Sorry, I just wanted to ack like you for a second to see what it was like.
It's not a simple fix in the filesystem code to handle all the conflicts in existing filesystems and code. This is definatly a flamebait topic. The solution is in the interface, not the filesystem. If you want case insensitivity in the open dialog box of your word processor application, then implement your graphics toolkit's common dialog's appropriatly. Don't water down your core codebase in total disregard of the non-desktop users to solve an interface problem.
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You don't need to look for a conspiracy here. Usually when losses are calculated for punishment/fines they include estimated future losses as well. They didn't need to wait.
Besides, There isn't a chance in hell that they'll ever see the kind of money that they would call a month of losses. This kid probably won't make that much money in his whole life.
Hm, censorship... That implies that Slashdot is somehow preventing you from expressing your ideas. If you want to be an asshole, then slashdot will prevent you from doing it here frequently, but you are still free to be an asshole somewhere else. Hense it is not censorship.
Remember when you were an obnoxious little kid (look around, you probably still are one), and people used to beat you up? Did you hang around with those people after that, and invite further beatings?
In case you don't get the picture yet: If you want to be an asshole, fine, but we don't like assholes, and you should go elsewhere.
In case you can ony think in single syllables I'll try a third form: Leave!
Which is why my Microsoft mouse has never failed me on my Powerbook, or under linux (or both!) but under windows 98 frequently requires me to restart mswheel.exe to get the scrolling working again, and occationally gives me a blue screen if I connect it to the USB bus while my scanner is connected. Windows 98: Worst USB support ever.
Yeah, I read the spec after I said that, and I agree the the new functionality makes more sense, but it doesn't do the same thing as BR as the original post implied. It's completely different. I still don't like the name, either, but I can't think of a better one.
Yeah, exactly, everybody was clamoring for two extra bytes? Really, the poeple who look at the code at this level probably don't care, and everybody else uses a WYSIWYGOIE editor and hense doesn't care.
Besides BR makes sense, and LINE doesn't. Why not NL, or NEWLINE, or CR? LINE seems like a better replacement for HR then BR to me.
if it's so revolutionary, it shouldn't be so easy to best a year later. But the XBox kicks its ass
Excuse me, but I don't see a marginal improvement as an ass kicking, and I certainly don't call loosing over $100 per unit "easy". If Microsoft had managed to break even, or make some money on the Xbox, then I would agree with your argument. Sony made a kick ass chip, and made it affordable. Microsoft has eat a loss to even compete with what Sony has had out for over a year. That's impressive. Hype worthy even.
Most developers hate coding for the fucking thing.
That's hardly important when the developers don't choose the target platform. Here's a hint: You program for the platform where you're most likely to make money, wether you'd rather code for the competition or not. Now, do you pick the platform that might not exist when you're done coding? How about the one where you might not be able to sell your software when it's done, because the platform vendor is working on their own version, and they can use undocumented OS hooks that you've never heard of and don't know about so that their software works better? But Microsoft doesn't do that for the Xbox, only for Windows you say? That's probably true, but obviously the third party game developers aren't buying it, because there isn't a single compeling 3rd party game out for Xbox that I can't play on my PC, PS2, or Gamecube.
Sony hyped the PS2 to no end, and they lived up to the hype. I've got a stack of 32 great games sitting next to my TV at home, 20 something of that are PS2 exclusive, and I'm not disappointed one bit. (Yes, I spent $1600 on video games for PS2 in the last 18 months, and yes I have no life.)
I don't need a lecture about how to configure my system to use DMA, I write I/O device drivers for a living, and I'm fairly sure I know how to use them.
Those specs you give are great, but the ST318452LW is a 15,000 RPM SCSI disk, not a 7000 RPM ATA-133 disk. Throw a filesystem on there, and do I/O in 4kB or smaller chunks, and you'll see 35MB/sec, which is exactly in line with the numbers I gave in my post. Sure you can get 61MB/sec average with that disk if the only thing you ever do is something like "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=4096k", but that's not a real world type use of a disk, is it?
Now, take your 160MB/sec interface, and make it 133MB/second, make the spin rate of your disk half of that, and decrease your bit density, and you'll take another 60% off that speed. We're back down in the 10-15MB/second range that I was mentioning. This isn't rocket science.
I don't doubt your numbers necissarily, but I want to know how you got them. I have a hard time believing that they are representative of real world performance. Nobody uses their disk as a contiguous string of bits, they put filesystems on them. My 7000 RPM disk is capable of giving me 30MB per second, but I never actually see transfer rates like that in practice. Granted I am using 18GB disks, but I really see like 10-15MB/second on average depending on the block size. Are you doing raw I/O, or is there a filesystem and a commonly used utility involved here?
The other two systems are a year newer then the PS2. What you're saying is like saying that the dreamcast has slow pixelated graphics compared to the PS2. Of course it does. Besides, the Xbox/Gamecube really doesn't look that much better for complex games. Anyway, it seems to me that the difference isn't marketing, but developer trust. The 3rd party developers that are only going to release for a limited number of platforms, or have a long development cycle, trust Sony to be straightforward with their plans, and to not leave them behind when their marketing strategy suddenly changes. Microsoft is unproven in the console market, and has a history of treating 3rd party developers on their primary platform as secondary to their internal efforts. I'm just guessing here, but it seems to me that's why most of the good 3rd party games are available for PS2, usually exclusively.
The PS2 also has the best controller by far. (/me ducks)
How are you measuring those transfer speeds? I can't believe that you're getting 65MB/sec on that cheetah without heavy cache usage, or with a very specific I/O operation. I definatly don't believe that you're getting 25MB/sec from the 5400 RPM drive unless you're doing a single 4k read and timing that.
From your average on board IDE controller without any special configuration, the numbers you're seeing look about correct. The fastest you can really expect to get with any consistancy is like 15mb/sec, and that's with tuned interfaces AND tuned I/O. With a high quality IDE controller, or a reasonable SCSI controller, and fast discs (10,000RPM) you can get 50-75% better then that. The fastest I/O I've seen in linux was with 2 gigabit Fibre Channel, and an array of 15 striped 15,0000 RPM disks. I managed about 120MB/sec, and that was only with certain block sizes. The average was still in the 60MB/sec range.
Bottom line, with a 7000 RPM IDE disk, and a regular cp command using a 4kB or so block size, you're probably not going to get better then 10MB/second. Disks are just too slow.
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Like everything else, I'd pay a little a lot of times, rather than a lot once.
Speak for yourself! That's exactly what they want you to do. They want you to pay LOTS of times! I don't want to pay lots of times, I want to pay once. I am not going to participate in anything that does not have a predictible bottom line. If traditional entertainment becomes Pay-per-use, then they will stop getting ANY of my money. I'll put in the extra effort to create my own entertainment.
I want to know how much something is going to cost up front. If I want to be entertained, I don't want to pay for the same passive entertainment multiple times. Put a price on your service/product/content/whatever, and let me decide wether I want to pay it or not. If there's no SINGLE price tag, then I'm not buying.
Having small prices per unit of entertainment that you don't get to keep is a way of jacking up the price without you noticing.
Well, I was an idiot. I saw it after I hit submit and felt dumb. I hoped nobody would notice, but, well..
Obviously "toolkit's" was the only correct place for the apostrophe because there it indicates the posessive, but my fingers were flying on autopilot.
Out of curiosity, why are you curious? Is english not your first language? If not, you're damn good.
I didn't realize there was an option to turn it off. That's the same place that the "Hide file extensions" option is, so I know I've been in there, but I may have missed it. Do you know what version they introduced that in?
I understand what you're trying to say about the FAT/VFAT thing, but it's just not true. If I'm typing a filename in on a VFAT based windows file system, that name has never been anywhere but where I'm typing it. The decision to disallow renaming a file in all caps was either arbitrary or asthetic, not technical. (Or if it was technical, it was poor design. If that was their intention they should check for the conversion only once, and only where apropriate. When you copy a file form a FAT16 volume, check. When you display a FAT16 Filesystem in a window, check. When you don't need to do it, don't check. That's 3 more lines of code then what they did, but I bet it would speed up opening directory windows. No wonder the windows GUI is so damn slow without outrageous hardware.)
There's more to IT than scalable switches and making sure that you can ping the server. Come up with new applications of the technology and make yourselves valuable.
I personally don't think that should be called IT. IT - Information Technology - is making the data flow. It's not designing new ways to use networks, or creating innovative applications. Instead it's building the same old database application with different field names, or configuring a router with a wizard. To me, this is just the image that things called IT have put out. I won't call myself an IT worker because of this. I don't do any of those things, and that is what people who write paychecks see when you say "IT".
Those things that are called "IT" really are essentially dead from the view of the person asking this question, because the work is 99% done. There aren't any innovative things you can do with a database that are essential to corporate activity. Most places have systems in place that work, and don't need to waste money on new crap. Companies that are thinking this way are right. Too much money was wasted on buying infrastructure over and over again. Lets wait 10 years before we do that again.
In the mean time, there is plenty of money to be made in the market if you can think of new, innovative things, and are capable of designing high performance technology. Hopefully the people who were going along on the IT ride for the extra cash will be weeded out, and progress can be made again without wasting money on salarys for people with barely enough knowledge to get in the door. If you want in, and I shouldn't have to tell you this I suppose, the first thing you have to do is forget about "IT" and calling yourself an "IT" worker. Be an engineer. The buzzwords matter when you have to convince somebody who doesn't really understand what you do to write you a big fat check every week.
They have gotten along fine without conflicts because they've always been that way. If you suddenly change to case-insensitivity after years of working the other way, you have a whole slew of migration issues.
What I mean is that you can't JUST change the filesystem. It's much less simple then that when you have existing files to deal with and you suddenly change the rules.
What version of windows are you using? I think the behavior might be differnet in Windows 2000+ then in 98. I don't have 98 handy at work, but I thought that if you didn't have extensions displayed it did this same thing for files too.... Anyway, that's not the point, the point is that it doesn't work exactly how the initial poster (was it you?) described, and the way it was described makes more sense then how it actually works.
In windows if you name something "LETTER.txt" I nicely changes the name to "Letter.txt" for you.
Do what they say, not what they do.
Oh, by the way...
Let the grammer police strike! Damn, I should have proofread that!
Fuck you you ignorant shit!
Sorry, I just wanted to ack like you for a second to see what it was like.
It's not a simple fix in the filesystem code to handle all the conflicts in existing filesystems and code. This is definatly a flamebait topic. The solution is in the interface, not the filesystem. If you want case insensitivity in the open dialog box of your word processor application, then implement your graphics toolkit's common dialog's appropriatly. Don't water down your core codebase in total disregard of the non-desktop users to solve an interface problem.
Take it one step further: Comments posted and read complaining about duplicate stories == More ad views. It's in the editor's best interests to post duplicate stories as frequently as the readers will tolerate without leaving!
This conspiracy theory has been brought to you by the letter 'M'.
You don't need to look for a conspiracy here. Usually when losses are calculated for punishment/fines they include estimated future losses as well. They didn't need to wait.
Besides, There isn't a chance in hell that they'll ever see the kind of money that they would call a month of losses. This kid probably won't make that much money in his whole life.
Did he happen to tell you how they made that syrup? :)
Hm, censorship... That implies that Slashdot is somehow preventing you from expressing your ideas. If you want to be an asshole, then slashdot will prevent you from doing it here frequently, but you are still free to be an asshole somewhere else. Hense it is not censorship.
Remember when you were an obnoxious little kid (look around, you probably still are one), and people used to beat you up? Did you hang around with those people after that, and invite further beatings?
In case you don't get the picture yet: If you want to be an asshole, fine, but we don't like assholes, and you should go elsewhere.
In case you can ony think in single syllables I'll try a third form: Leave!
Which is why my Microsoft mouse has never failed me on my Powerbook, or under linux (or both!) but under windows 98 frequently requires me to restart mswheel.exe to get the scrolling working again, and occationally gives me a blue screen if I connect it to the USB bus while my scanner is connected. Windows 98: Worst USB support ever.
Thank you for the clarification.
Guaranteed to take up disk space!
Yeah, I read the spec after I said that, and I agree the the new functionality makes more sense, but it doesn't do the same thing as BR as the original post implied. It's completely different. I still don't like the name, either, but I can't think of a better one.
Yeah, exactly, everybody was clamoring for two extra bytes? Really, the poeple who look at the code at this level probably don't care, and everybody else uses a WYSIWYGOIE editor and hense doesn't care.
Besides BR makes sense, and LINE doesn't. Why not NL, or NEWLINE, or CR? LINE seems like a better replacement for HR then BR to me.
if it's so revolutionary, it shouldn't be so easy to best a year later. But the XBox kicks its ass
Excuse me, but I don't see a marginal improvement as an ass kicking, and I certainly don't call loosing over $100 per unit "easy". If Microsoft had managed to break even, or make some money on the Xbox, then I would agree with your argument. Sony made a kick ass chip, and made it affordable. Microsoft has eat a loss to even compete with what Sony has had out for over a year. That's impressive. Hype worthy even.
Most developers hate coding for the fucking thing.
That's hardly important when the developers don't choose the target platform. Here's a hint: You program for the platform where you're most likely to make money, wether you'd rather code for the competition or not. Now, do you pick the platform that might not exist when you're done coding? How about the one where you might not be able to sell your software when it's done, because the platform vendor is working on their own version, and they can use undocumented OS hooks that you've never heard of and don't know about so that their software works better? But Microsoft doesn't do that for the Xbox, only for Windows you say? That's probably true, but obviously the third party game developers aren't buying it, because there isn't a single compeling 3rd party game out for Xbox that I can't play on my PC, PS2, or Gamecube.
Sony hyped the PS2 to no end, and they lived up to the hype. I've got a stack of 32 great games sitting next to my TV at home, 20 something of that are PS2 exclusive, and I'm not disappointed one bit. (Yes, I spent $1600 on video games for PS2 in the last 18 months, and yes I have no life.)
I actually just bought a Wavebird yesterday 'cause they're on sale at CircuitCity for $25, but I haven't gotten a chance to try it yet...
I don't need a lecture about how to configure my system to use DMA, I write I/O device drivers for a living, and I'm fairly sure I know how to use them.
Those specs you give are great, but the ST318452LW is a 15,000 RPM SCSI disk, not a 7000 RPM ATA-133 disk. Throw a filesystem on there, and do I/O in 4kB or smaller chunks, and you'll see 35MB/sec, which is exactly in line with the numbers I gave in my post. Sure you can get 61MB/sec average with that disk if the only thing you ever do is something like "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=4096k", but that's not a real world type use of a disk, is it?
Now, take your 160MB/sec interface, and make it 133MB/second, make the spin rate of your disk half of that, and decrease your bit density, and you'll take another 60% off that speed. We're back down in the 10-15MB/second range that I was mentioning. This isn't rocket science.
I don't doubt your numbers necissarily, but I want to know how you got them. I have a hard time believing that they are representative of real world performance. Nobody uses their disk as a contiguous string of bits, they put filesystems on them. My 7000 RPM disk is capable of giving me 30MB per second, but I never actually see transfer rates like that in practice. Granted I am using 18GB disks, but I really see like 10-15MB/second on average depending on the block size. Are you doing raw I/O, or is there a filesystem and a commonly used utility involved here?
The other two systems are a year newer then the PS2. What you're saying is like saying that the dreamcast has slow pixelated graphics compared to the PS2. Of course it does. Besides, the Xbox/Gamecube really doesn't look that much better for complex games. Anyway, it seems to me that the difference isn't marketing, but developer trust. The 3rd party developers that are only going to release for a limited number of platforms, or have a long development cycle, trust Sony to be straightforward with their plans, and to not leave them behind when their marketing strategy suddenly changes. Microsoft is unproven in the console market, and has a history of treating 3rd party developers on their primary platform as secondary to their internal efforts. I'm just guessing here, but it seems to me that's why most of the good 3rd party games are available for PS2, usually exclusively.
The PS2 also has the best controller by far. (/me ducks)
How are you measuring those transfer speeds? I can't believe that you're getting 65MB/sec on that cheetah without heavy cache usage, or with a very specific I/O operation. I definatly don't believe that you're getting 25MB/sec from the 5400 RPM drive unless you're doing a single 4k read and timing that.
From your average on board IDE controller without any special configuration, the numbers you're seeing look about correct. The fastest you can really expect to get with any consistancy is like 15mb/sec, and that's with tuned interfaces AND tuned I/O. With a high quality IDE controller, or a reasonable SCSI controller, and fast discs (10,000RPM) you can get 50-75% better then that. The fastest I/O I've seen in linux was with 2 gigabit Fibre Channel, and an array of 15 striped 15,0000 RPM disks. I managed about 120MB/sec, and that was only with certain block sizes. The average was still in the 60MB/sec range.
Bottom line, with a 7000 RPM IDE disk, and a regular cp command using a 4kB or so block size, you're probably not going to get better then 10MB/second. Disks are just too slow.