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The Golden Age of Cup Manufacturing
jonerik writes "The Washington Post has this article today on the disappearance of traditional 'small' (8 oz.) cups of coffee in favor of a larger concept of 'small' (12 oz.). In the case of Starbucks, for example, a truly small 8 oz. cup of coffee is still available, but it's called a 'short' and isn't listed on the menu. Why not? 'We still have it,' says Starbucks spokeswoman Lara Wyss, 'but we don't advertise it because of the size of the menu board, the physical constraints.' Yeah, sure. Disposable cup manufacturers have taken notice of the popularity/compulsory nature of larger cup sizes. The Sweetheart Cup Co. started manufacturing a successful 24-ounce hot-beverage cup about two years ago, and Kathy Deignan, the company's national vice president of marketing and account sales says 'The eight- and 10-ounce cups are pretty much gone.' Sweetheart also manufactures 7-Eleven's 44-ounce Super Big Gulp cups, and Deignan says the company is considering producing an 80-ounce cold drink cup - that's 5 pints, folks. Christ, how much do these companies think people need to drink, anyway?"
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Has anyone else noticed that there is no longer a 'small' pizza at pizzahut? They start at medium... but the size has become smaller, and now they have extralarge... which is as large as their old 'large' size...
Well, at least here in Canada... Don't know about the US franchise...
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80-ounce cold drink cup - that's 5 pints, folks
1. Can the human bladder even hold that much?
2. Christ, there's not that much blood in the human body! Even on a full bladder, is there even 80 ounces of fluid flowing through one's body?
You need water to stay alive
Even the size of Dixie cups are getting bigger at 9oz. These are the famous paper cups in the dispenser that save dishes from piling up in the sink.
...I'd say someone must be taking the piss.
Subject says it all.
The manufacturers wouldn't make them if people didn't want them. I hear the word 'grande' more often at a starbucks than I do a 'short'. Supply and Demand
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Um yeah, cups a getting bigger. Wow.
er...
1, Make big cups
2, ???
3, Profit!!
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Bitchslap!A beer is 12 ounces.
Every fast food restaurant from Wendy's to McDonalds has been increasing the size of there portions based on demand. Fatty and sugary foods taste better so we are ticked into wanting more to eat. The same thing goes for soft drinks, drink an 80 oz coke everyday and see how long it takes before you are shooting up insulin twice a day.
So even cups got bloated.
Having larger coffee cup sizes is better than a trend of smaller sizes. As long as the price per volume remains about the same (accounting for inflation), there's nothing to complain about. Besides, this sort of thing is determined largely by economics - the smaller cups must not have been selling as well.
Of course, one could argue that the coffee shops are forcing people to buy more coffee than they want, but I think there is enough competition so that if people really wanted a small cup, they'd get it (even from Starbucks, which just doesn't advertise it).
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Why do I need an 80 oz soda when I only have a 32 oz bladder?!
That they made those plastic cups from the gas station big enough to hold more than three beers. It is a pain in the ass to have to pull three fresh beers out of the 12 pack I have hidden under a spare shirt - I almost wrecked doing that yesterday. If I didn't have to reload my cup, I'd be a lot better off.
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It's about time companies catered to the programming crowd and provided cups that adequately provide for our caffeinated needs. Whoever is complaining about this obviously has never had an all-night programming session with a deadline the next day, bladder be damned.
So why not sell the 44oz for twice the cost of a 10oz? It is just more money in the pocket of the store.
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Considering that half of the goddamn north american continent is as fat-assed as it is, its no small wonder.. Any self respecting fatso can gulp down 5 pints of freezing liquid without blinking..
Deignan says the company is considering producing an 80-ounce cold drink cup - that's 5 pints, folks. Christ, how much do these companies think people need to drink, anyway?"
Actually, I lived in Phoenix for two and a half years. Try commuting 45 minutes a day in a 1970 volkswagon beetle with black vinyl interior in 120 degrees and 0% humidity. You can't even imagine how much water you lose. I would suck down big gulps like nothing.
Of course, here in the midwest, I can't imagine finishing 5 pints of anything other than beer.
Meanwhile, the 8 ounce asscheek has been upgraded to the 24 ounce asscheek.
There will be trickle down from larger pants to larger chairs to larger coffins.
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I'm in favor of the steady increase in cup sizes. I suppose this trend can benefit the ladies, too, since guys also wear cups.
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I think this is a prime example of why so many americans are extemely fat, and there can be no doubt that it also raises your chances of diabetes, tooth decay etc. But what I think pisses me off more than most anything else that will be discussed here is taco bell's new "We don't serve fountain water anymore" so now instead of paying nothing or maybe 10c for water I have to buy the damned bottled water. I don't think they understand that most people don't really LIKE taco bell food, they just eat there because it's so damn cheap. Ok, now I feel better.... Sorry... :)
Well, I personally drink right out of my 67.6 fl. oz. bottle of caffeinated goodness... Which is a "small" for me; I would really prefer those huge tanks of soda that only restaurants are privilaged enough to have...
Or my own personal delivery tanker...
Or my own personal soda-producing factory...
Oh, grr! How about everyone just sends me all their caffeine? That would work...
So I can finally get that solid gold cup I was eyeing at the sports store. I shall be the man of the hour in the locker room.
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Take for example, 7-11. I'm sure the bulk soda that 7-11 receives is cheap enough that they can sell as much for as cheap as they like. The idea is to move the product as quickly as possible. Is anybody really going to drink 5 pints of soda, probably not. Definitely not without having some kind of heart attack. However, they might drink three pints. Which makes 2 extra pints that 7-11 sold that it otherwise wouldn't have, because they sold it cheap. Same with coffee, french fries, whatever. The more you sell, the more you cash in.
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think bigger is better. That's why we're such fat asses driving cars with a worse mpg than 10 years ago. Luckily, we employ pharmas to give us pills and injections that extend our lives despite ourselves. It's sort of like the episode of the Simpsons where Mr. Burns has it explained to him that he basically has every disease and it has worked out where they all manage to block each other from killing him. Americans can't stop ourselves from consuming everything we see but luckily it seems to be working out okay.
I know many of you would like to have 12, 16 or 22 oz bottles of beer but a nice 8 oz cup of draft is always good.
You drink it fast and it goes down like it's nothing. Smaller cups also mean that you are getting a re-fill more often and keeping your beer cold and fresh.
Now every now and then a good ol' 64 oz jug is nice but a handful of 8 oz'rs at a summer festival beats all the rest.
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In Japan, at least, the largest drink size you can get at a fast food restraunt like McDonalds is smaller than the "courtesy cup" that they give people who order water in America. Several of my friends and myself got strange looks and comments from host families when buying 1 liter drink bottles for ourselves. I remember one guy was asked by his host family if he had a party of something when he threw away the empty bottle at home. In talking with a few of my foreign friends after I returned, I've been led to believe that America is the "Land of the Super-Sized Drinks."
Can anyone from another country or who's traveled abroad comment on this trend? Is oversized drinks just an American thing?
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The best thing about it is that it even comes in a paper carton-like "cup" that very closely resembles a half gallon carton of milk, but with a hole in the top for a straw.
'Course, the second coolest thing is the fact that you get anywhere from 700 to 900 calories from one, depending on what soda you put in it (assuming that, like most teenageers, you are not a big fan of diet sodas). Mmmmm half my daily calories in carbonated liquid form....
I remember when I was very little and 1 liter bottles were the biggest you could buy. Now people buy those for one sitting. It's been happening a long time, and as everyone else said it is happening because people are buying it.
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I got bought a 42 oz coke from McDonalds the other day (for $0.69) and it wouldn't fit in my car's cupholder. I had to hold it between my legs as I drove. We need bigger cupholders now, too.
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The purpose of humongous drink cups is to provide an illusion of increased value. You can't tell me that 44 oz. of Coca-Cola is really worth the $1.79 they sell it for. Including the cost of the cup, it couldn't possible cost more than a couple of cents. But the consumer sees that he is getting SO MUCH MORE soda so he doesn't realize that he'll never be able to drink that much. Thats why the value meals come with the bigger drinks...so if you eat at the resturant, you don't go back for refills and you end up paying more for less. But, even if you do get the smallest size, they're still getting huge margins on each drink so they don't really care (and thus give you free refills). It basically boils down to them selling you what amounts to (the size of) 2 drinks in 1 cup, both of which you'll pay for, and one of which you'll actually be able to consume.
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*sigh*. Americans can be so stupid sometimes. And I am a born-and-raised American.
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What the hell is an "oz."? If you have to explain that 80 ounce equals 5 pints (hey I know these), maybe you should consider going metric.
Be wary of any facts that confirm your opinion.
Deignan says the company is considering producing an 80-ounce cold drink cup - that's 5 pints, folks. Christ, how much do these companies think people need to drink, anyway?"
The reason we need bigger cups is that they give you so much damn ice that you are lucky to get 6oz. of drink out of a 12oz.cup.
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Come on Cmdr Taco? I think marrage has caused you to loose your edge on what is funny?
Here is one: Nothing funnier they a group of Geek's hitting the 7/11 for snack's and Big gulps to take them through the next D&D campain...
Of course all of us going out taken a group piss is another one, and holding a 7 or 11.
When I as a mascot I consumed large amounts of liquids (good for staying alive). Being encased in a hot suit and working for several hours in 90+ degree weather can cause severe dehydration (unless you're one of those lame mascots who just stands around and shakes people's hands).. Unfortunatly for all these softdrink companies I typically drink only water (with lots of ice).. And then of course there's beer (but that's not till afterwards -- and it isn't being used for rehydration purposes...)
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Nothing's worse than when you get take-out or drive-thru and still have half a burger and fries but are all out of fine caffienated liquid to wash it down.
;)
Come on, even 12 oz. is like 3-4 sips which isn't anywhere close enough. (although, admittedly my girlfriend could drink the same can of Diet Coke over the course of 3 meals
Having travelled extensively in the USA, Europe and Africa, I think I can positively say that this is a USA only thing.
Their's a Real-Life Comics comic out there that's pretty funny, wish I could find it. One of the guys goes "I need a big gulp" and his friend replies "No, you need a DAMN, it's 900oz of your favorite beverage, and the cut even fits in your cars drink holder" and it shows massive, 55 gallon drum sized drink with this little nipple in the bottom that goes in your cup holder. It was pretty damn funny, I'll try and find it.
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That joke keeps getting funnier the more people misadapt it!!!
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That is like 1mililiter in metric or what
...and as this article surely was stuff that matters, a liter is a metric unit of capacity equal to one cubic decimeter, for you ounce-bounces :)
My brother is what I'd call a caffeine addict. He's also a cheap SOB like myself, so when it comes to soda, he did some research to find the best price-to-volume ratio. His findings? Buy a 64oz Double Gulp from 7-11 once, save the cup and refill it for 85 cents a pop. Only problem is he's forgets the cup quite often, so empty Double Gulps litter his desk.
More relevant to the article, 7-11 charges the same price to refill any fountain soda, so there's no cost benefit for showing restraint.
I feel that the massive cups are linked to another phenomenon that I have noticed. That is, the new need for people to always have a drink in hand.
Up until recently, when people got thirsty, they went to the kitchen and got a drink. They finished their drink in the kitchen and went about their business. People also drank at the table while eating. But now, people seem to be incapable of going ANYWHERE without a drink constantly in hand.
It doesn't seem to matter what the drink is or if they are even thirsty, just so long as they always have a drink. Regardless of whether it is a ridiculous 44oz Big Gulp or a 12oz bottle of water, they must have a drink in hand.
It appears to me that people have developed some form of security blanket complex where they are out of sorts unless they have a drink in their hand. You notice this with the constant sipping. They are obviously not thirsty but every couple of minutes they are compelled to sip a half ounce or so. They seem addicted to the act of drinking, rather like smokers are to the act of smoking.
What's up with that?
If you build it, they will drink.
Keep in mind that (a not sugar free) original size big gulp coke has over 40 teaspoons of sugar...
Now imagine one over two and half times the size... over 100 teaspoons of sugar.
Then wonder why so many Americans are obese... "but the bigger size is a better deal!"
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I can't wait to get the chance for an 80 oz. right before work.
Wait, what the hell am I talking about. Fill it up with hawaiian punch baby, and spike it with nodoz.
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Why bother with drinking? Just inject that caffine directly into my veins!
I remeber when a 16 oz slurpee was the largest you could get from 7-11.
then somewbody said "Hey, we can make a 24 oz drink, it costs us about 3 cents more, but we can charge an extra 50 cents!"
then everbody was doing it.
then it was super size drinks that you can refill all you want!
now I get angry if a resturant wants to charge me to refill my soda.
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I've got it, the only way to properly market 80 ounce, hell even 160 sodas. 7-2-11 needs to start to offer beer bongs with their sodas, this way one can effectivly drain an 80 ounce cup within one minute and shortly thereafter set a world record for burp-blast-intensity..... lol!!
I'll just keep posting more! Sooner or later you'll run out of mod points, but I can post all day, asswipe!
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And rehashed an old Dennis Miller routine. It didn't start with coffee cups. First I remembered was resizing of McDonald's cold cups in the mid to late 80's. That was fine then, but now, when I want a small, it means I really want what is called the 'child size'. Ironically, when you get a happy meal, you don't get a 'child size', you get something even smaller.
The reason they don't put it on the menu board? It costs ten cents more for the 'small', but only has about 1 cent more cost involved. They 'lose money' (in the same way that pirates cause MPAA and RIAA companies to 'lose' money) by selling this size. That's why they push the barrel basket of popcorn at the movie theatre for 'only 25 cents more': because it only costs them 5 cents more, so they make an additional 20 cents.
"Do you want to supersize that?"
"No, moron. If I wanted to supersize it, I would have said 'Number 3, supersize', not 'Number 3, medium'" But I usually don't, as it is the owner/manager who will fire the drone if they forget to pimp supersize fries.
(BTW, call me in to testify against that fat bastard suing the fast food companies. Listen lard-ass, just order a medium! I'm fat, so fuck you, I'll call you lard ass if I want. I'm fat because *I* shovelled garbage down my gullet, not Mayor McCheese.)
Oh, and to those who say "the market will prevail": bullshit. McDonald's used to have an "All-American meal". Cheesburger (not 1/4 lb), fries (modern medium, traditional large), and a coke (modern medium, traditional large). It's exactly what I wanted. Doesn't exist anymore. Yes, the items are available separately, but have you ever ordered separate items at McDonald's? What a joke. Definately a roll of the dice as to whether those people get anything right. (I do this frequently. I'll get a medium two cheeseburger meal with an extra drink, sometimes extra fries for my wife and I to split. Then throw in a hamburger for junior.)
Blah. Gimme a gun, a knife, and an open fire. I'll get your supersized meal as soon as a buffalo comes walking by.
(Not even 30, and I'm becoming a 'bitter old man', ranting about 'the good old days')
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An ounce? There are two types of ounce, the US ounce and the UK ounce. They are different. Let's hope NASA doesn't measure fuel in starbucks cups. The rest of the world and every scientist uses the metric system where a US fluid ounce is 29.5735 ml (or cm^3 if you prefer) and a UK fluid ounce is 28.4131 ml. So I guess we are talking about 0.24 l cups becoming obsolete. The 80 ounce cup would hold 2.4 l of fluid.
Deignan says the company is considering producing an 80-ounce cold drink cup
"Freudian sip"?
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Yes, but how do you fit it in your car's cup holder?
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I used to buy the 64 oz soda when i worked on a non union cable plow clean up crew in college (go scabs!). A two hour drive followed by 13 in the hot sun -- you get damn thirsty. Now, I didn't really drink 64 oz of soda...with no bathrooms around, that's a bit crazy. But for 64 cents, i could fill it up 3/4 of the way with ice and get about 32 oz of soda that would be at least marginally cold until well past lunch time.
Yeah, if there was an 80 oz, i would have drank it. Beats filling up that damn coolers.
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Sweetheart also manufactures 7-Eleven's 44-ounce Super Big Gulp cups, and Deignan says the company is considering producing an 80-ounce cold drink cup - that's 5 pints, folks. Christ, how much do these companies think people need to drink, anyway?"
It's 104 degrees Fahrenheit outside right now, an 80 ounce cold drink is going to stave off dehydration for only about an hour. It might seem silly in Minneapolis, but it'll be a serious big seller here in Phoenix.
I like big cups. Something in a 38D is nice. Oh, wrong discussion - nevermind.
Didn't 7-11 have a "super tanker" size? Sheesh, that just sums it up here in the US. We're all oversized slobs, cramming our faces full of junk.
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we're a bunch of fat asses. The only reason most of us Americans get up from our couches is to waddle to the fridge or take a piss (during the comercial break, of course).
Take it how you want to.....
What could be better that taking a quick dip on a hot summer day before drinking the contents of your personal swimming pool.
How long before 7-Eleven is sued over a drowning incident?
Drinkable liquid is usually pretty heavy. Will the 80 oz buckets come with shoulder straps?
I guess automobile cup holders will be the empty seat next to the driver. Don't forget to buckle-up. No, not the driver, he might drown in his own vehicle. Buckle-up you ocean-sized bucket-o-high-fructose-corn-syrup instead.
When you're done with your drink, you can use the empty cup as:
1. An emergency toilet. You're gonna need it.
2. A jacuzzi. Just get someone to blow bubbles through a straw.
3. A container for transporting barn animals, the morbidly obese, or the Dallas Cowboys offensive line.
4. Tip it upside down and create your own eco-shpere. Gee... its humid in here.
5. Fill it to the rim and use it as a displacement measuring tool for automobile engines.
6. Inside, two or more players could invent a new racketball-type game.
7. Emergency shelter in case of rain, nuclear fallout, or country-western music.
8. Cut a hole in the bottom and you've got yourself a mega-phone.
9. A place for all your eggs.
10. Bring it to the beach to make life-sized sand castles.
This would actually be quite healthy if everyone were drinking water. I don't know about you, but I don't get my 64oz of water a day without carrying some around with me, and your body tends to process it better if it doesn't come all at once anyways.
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3 teaspoons (small spoons you eat yogurt with)
= 1 tablespoon (large soup spoon)
2 tablespoons = 1 ounce
8oz (ounces) = 1 cup typical "small" glass
2 cups = 1 pint (school milk cartons are half-pints)
2 pints = 1 quart (think "a quart of milk")
4 quarts = 1 gallon
To convert to metric, 236ml is 8oz or 1 cup.
In Japan, "1 cup" is 200ml. I'm not sure if this is true in other metric countries.
1 liter = 1000ml = 1.057 quarts
this makes a teaspoon 5ml (ok, so it should be a little less, but who can measure 1/10ml when cooking?)
for nerds, 1 tablespoon = 4 drams
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What's funny is that in Europe the coffee cups seem to be getting smaller! I remember this special new coffee that doesn't even fill half a shot glass. Concentrated in the extreme.
On the otter hand, Europeans regard coffee drinking as one of the pinnacle achievements of mankind. My gf gets seriously pissed if I suggest that we visit a foreign city and NOT drink coffee.
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Deignan says the company is considering producing an 80-ounce cold drink cup
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a great deal of the water is absorbed into the bloodstream in the stomach. Some water is added back in the large intestine.
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I'm sick of being so healthy.
Hey, wait...hyper-obesity! "If you weigh more than 300 pounds, you qualify as disabled."
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Dunno, but if you have that much water in your 'tract continuously, is there enough osmotic pressure across the membrane to eliminate waste from your body, or do you slowly poison yourself?
Can you remember when small, medium, and large cups each had own size of lid?
And convenience stores had to stock each separately and you couldn't tell by looking which size lid went with which size cup?
Thankfully, this is increasingly a thing of the past. Gotta love optimizing inefficiencies.
This will also make "eating out" a special thing to look forward to, rather than something routine. Also, you can include other stuff like exercise and lighter eating on days when you eat out.
When you go to a grocery store, don't buy anything that you don't have to further process before eating. This will quickly eliminate junk food, the major cause of obesity in my opinion.
Just my $0.02, take it or leave it.
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I think the funniest thing about the Onion article is the assertion that a 30-liter Coke would weigh 274 pounds. Or maybe the container itself is supposed to weigh 208 lbs.
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1) Its part of a new add campaign to turn our pee the same color as the soda, but in order to pull it off, we have to drink A LOT.
2) There are lots of diet programs...and soda keeps on selling...coincidence? The diet programs brainwash us into buying more soda so that we need to diet more! And this is just another step!
3) The new soda containers are actually developed for military use. They plan to drop them on enemy forces to cause a mild explosion, covering the enemy with a sticky substance, and leaving them exposed to attack while they take showers.
4) All part of training to make Americans bigger. Bigger food=bigger people, right? We'll be able to take over the world once all Americans are 11 feet tall, and everyone else averages 5'11".
5) The soda gods have decreed it. The will of the soda gods must be obeyed.
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Man, what a bunch of captive consumers everyone seems to be. There is no demand for these giant cups - The demand is created in the store. Sure, you get a "deal": instead of 2 mediums at 2 currency units each you get the equivalent of 8 mediums for only 14 currency units! What a smart and thrifty geek I am for buying the barrel of soda! Never mind the fact that I only need/want one medium. And if I want a small? Too bad! They don't sell it anymore. The truth is that people shouldn't be drinking ANY soda, much less buying it in 5 pint/single serving containers.
this is a very geek unfriendly story. i myself need the drug-like crutch of a gallon of sugary soda to keep my mental juices flowing while i program every day, all day. i have a feeling i am not alone.
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sure, the sugar spike of modern soft drinks is completely unnatural for a human body evolved to deal with the slow rise and fall of digesting complex carbohydrates, but so what? and no, i won't become a diabetic because i run every day too. calories in, calories out. and yes, as i admitted, it's a drug-like crutch, but in the larger scheme of things, i can forgive myself my dependence upon sugar to get me through the day. surely there are greater addictions and crimes out there we can all worry about, no? (yes, i am aware the micromanaging moralizers amongst us have something to say here, but we don't care, k?)
programming may not be as calorie-intensive a process as say, the iron man competition, but the brain still eats calories. and is there a single programmer out there who doesn't appreciate the idea of getting into a mental zone and getting their most productive efforts out of that zone? do most of us prop up that zone with comfort-producing stimuli? music, furniture, toys, lighting, etc... but sweets and stimulants top the list. just go visit thinkgeek if you don't believe me and see what kind of stuff they hawk over there. if you've ever drank coca cola while at the keyboard, you have to admit the bonus it produces. what greater comfort-producing aid can there be than something that gives the brain what it naturally craves?
keep the brain sutffed with oxygen and glucose and it will reward you with good code! don't let the guilt-mongers get at you, fellow programmers, enjoy your code red big gulp, and have one every day. (just make sure you exercise too... don't become another stupid fat american.
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In genral drink sizes in India are a lot smaller than in the US. Most sodas used to be 250ml until they recently started having "super sized" ones at about 330ml. The "large" they serve you with a meal at McDonalds in India is almost as big as the "small" in the US and no free refills of course.
However, in general the sodas in India tend to be much stronger flavored and have much more carbonation - I would usually have a hard time finishing the smaller sizes that they had - and you would never think about putting maybe more than a cube or two of ice in your drinks - wouldn't want to dilute it!
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Every fast food restaurant from Wendy's to McDonalds has been increasing the size of there portions based on demand.
Working for a major pop company, I can tell you right now that premix pop is downright cheap (premix is the syrup that's mixed with water and CO2 to get the pop that comes from the fountain). Since the pop companies don't have to worry about mixing it, packaging it, and labeling it in the bottling plant, they don't have to charge much for it.
Believe it or not, advertisements for "80oz. Fountain Drinks for $.99!!!" actually lure customers there. And they can do it because they don't lose money. So, when the fast food / convenience stores get cheap pop, they get more customers, they don't lose money, and the customer walks away happy.
The stores don't care about sugar levels or diabetes, and most customers don't understand that what they think is a "great deal" isn't doing much good for them, while it works great for the company.
I blew my Ultra Mega Big Gulp on that one.
Drinking too much water too quickly can damage your bladder (from making it stretch too much) or your kidneys (from overworking them because they need to filter the water out of your blood).
More likely, it can upset the sodium balance in your blood (remember osmosis) and you need to replace the electrolytes when you exercise and just plain water. Ever notice that you still feel thirsty if you are sweating a lot and then drink plain water?
The ideal liquid would have a concentration of sodium, potassium, etc that matches the blood (but just a little more dilute).
Also, contrary to popular belief, sugar is NOT a diuretic and does not make you more thirsty. Sugar is absorbed through the small intenstine into the blood but then excess sugar is filtered out by the kidneys. So as long as your kidneys are working properly (and you are not a diabetic) having water or drinks with sugar will not dehydrate you or make you more thirsty.
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You turn and say "Bitch, hold this" like any normal person. Sheesh.
Finally, math books without any of that base 6 crap in them.
12oz? That's over half a pint! My cups of tea are about half that!
At 12oz, they'd be cold by the time you'd finished them, unless you downed them, which would burn your throat.
Mind you, I don't know why people drink coffee anyway. It's bitter and rancid. Tea is far sweeter and creamier. Unfortuanetly it doesn't contain enough caffeine.
A good idea would be to switch the caffeine percentages of tea and coffee. Then tea would have more caffeine, and you wouldn't have to sacrifice staying awake for the sake of having a delicious drink.
Surely there are some scientists here who could do that for me?
At last a fresh breath of sensible maths, i always thought it was weird that USA measure stuff different, at least they are not talkin about quarts inches and feet,
wait......wtf...they are still using those, lets hope NASA do too
and why are people arguing that cafe companies are giving them too much coffee ? !, hell for the retail/profit margin they make it would be a wonder you could even carry the amount you should be getting
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When I'm out in Silicon Valley (I'm bi-costal!) I have to pay about $3.00 for the same meal--and the BAGEL QUALITY SUCKS!
It brings to mind the July 8th cartoon from PvP Online.
Even funnier, though, is what I found when I hit google with "uber gulp".
Eeeek.
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We drink too much.
We consume too much.
We SHIT too much.
And, yes, we weigh waaay too fucking much.
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The volume in ounces of a "large" disposable beverage cup will double every 10 years. ;)
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In Leisure Suit Larry 2, there was a "grotesque gulp" sized drink. About the size of a garbage can, you died if you tried to drink it in the store. You had to keep it(you simply stuck it in your pocket, with the excuse that it's just a game), and made little sips on your long boat ride to the island.
Dooood! Have you ever eaten at a panda inn or panda express,,, I swear to god I think they DO put some sort of addictive chemicals in the Orange Chicken, either that or I just really, really like it. :)
I recently stopped drinking pop all together. Now I only drink water, milk (one glass per day), and juice (2 glasses per day roughly). In the 6 weeks since I started this I haven't really changed anything else about my excerise and eatting habits. I have already dropped 8lbs. I used to drink close to 5 12-16oz pops per day. At the low end that is 60oz (smaller than the 80oz drink they are talking about). So I think you see the weight concerns here. This is truely making America fatter... :(
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It's so american to have everything big. :) ...I use to get a big coffee each morning....now I get the 8oz and I feel better but I still have to do a #2 after half the cup :)
When european go in US they are amaze by the size of the coke cup, coffee cup, etc.
And...at the end, US people are big
Bigger cup holders.
In Aug 2001, I bought a Mercury Sable. It actually has custom cup holders to accommodate larger beverages! (There's a little bar you use to adjust the size; it's hard to describe.)
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I know someone who was in Senegal several years pack in the Peace Corp. It's very hot there. Standard hospitality is to hand a one-quart mug of water to all arriving guests. They chug it, and the host refills it. After an average of 3 refills the guest declines more water. The would fully understand a Big-Gulp.
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40oz?? Pul-leeze... what a bunch of wussies.
I've got an old German bier stein that holds (measured) 65+ oz's. Now THAT is a lot of fun. You NEVER misplace it, and when full, you need to tuck the bottom into the crook of your other arm to properly support it.
The painting has lots of color and obviously was not rushed. It's probably not an antique though... 65oz is very close to 2 litres, which implies post-WWII (when did Germany move over to metric system anyways??)
With the growth of high level languages like Perl, Python, and TCL you'd think that coffee cups could be getting smaller, not larger. This is the strongest evidence against Moore's Law I've seen in a while.
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Well duh, since they make more money by selling more food, it's all part of the food industry's nefarious plot to make us all fat!
Look at McDonalds -- they now offer a Mighty Kids meal, which is a happy meal with, you guessed it, more food and cooler toys! So now kids will feel grown up b/c they eat a "mighty" meal, instead of the younger-ish "happy" meal, thus getting wider in the gut.
I plan to stop eating altogether.
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The larger the cups, the less trips to the 7-11 you need to make.
;)
Back when I was a youngin' (3 years ago) and could handle staying up for days at a time at a lan party, I once drank over 11 litres of slurpee in just over 24 hours. If the caffine doesn't keep you awake, the bathroom trips sure as hell will.
I guess thats how I earned my title of "Slurpee King".
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80 oz of coke would have a whopping 933 calories! That's over a third of what an active adult male can comfortably handle in a day. It's an absolutely ludicrous amount to be consuming in a nutritionally void beverage form.
It's no wonder that obesity is (or really *should be*) such a concern nowadays...
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Your bladder probably can't hold that much. But that doesn't mean you can't drink that much, as other posters have pointed out. There is DEFINITELY that much water in your body, and I will personally attest to drinking four 1-liter bottles of water after a 14-mile run in 95 degree heat last weekend.
I live in San Francisco, as coffee-happy a town as you're likely to find. We certainly have dozens of Starbuxen, but also scads of other chain and non-chain coffee shops. Some of them have little cups. If people really wanted the little cups, they know where to go.
Instead, I go into Starbucks and overhear people ordering grande cappucinos. These people's hearts usually then burst out of their chests and tap-dance on the table, but I digress.
Point being, there seems to be an overall trend of everything in America getting bigger: Coke cups, coffee cups, McDonalds sandwiches, and, possibly not unrelatedly, people's butts.
It may be a little early yet to denounce Starbucks for manipulating the consumer coffee mkt.
My brother is a Double Gulp addict, so I should know this. At least here in California, the Double Gulps are regular plastic cups with separate lids like all the others. I do remember a time when they were paper cartons like you describe, but I haven't seen them in years.
As someone else mentioned, they don't fit in normal cup holders. My brother's got an automatic so he manages to drive with one hand on the wheel and one hand resting the cup on his knee. He even managed to drive while holding two Double Gulps once. (One was for me. I had a three hour class and the instructor let us bring in a drink. The drink lasted quite a while and during the break halfway through the class I made a bee-line for the bathroom.)
Not exactly sure why prices in CA would be for the double gulp, but here in NYC one can easily fine 2 liter bottles of soda for a buck a bottle. that seems to be the standard "sale" price, and many times it cheaper, like this week at my local super market one can get a 2 liter bottle of pepsi for 85 cents.
Disposable cup manufacturers have taken notice of the popularity/compulsory nature of larger cup sizes
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I prefer something along a 36 D, myself.
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Ack! It's soda, not pop! Are you from Michigan or something? :-)
Last time I checked, an ounce was 1/16th of a pound, which was 1/14th of a stone, and there were 2.2 kilos to a stone.
Easy.
So how can you measure volume in units of mass?
volume
1 pint = 568ml
4.5 litres to a gallon
8 pints to a gallon
my car does 55miles per gallon
I dont buy 300 grammes of beer or whatever, I buy a pint (UK), or, slightly smaller, 500ml (europe). I buy a pound of bannanas, or 450 grames, not 4 cubic feet.
p.s. If your bladder cant handle 5 pints you're usless.
Here in Canada, 7-11 touts the 64 oz / 2 Litre industrial size keep it cool for 8 hour jobby... it's huge... My bladder has been well trained over the years.. but my god.. a whole 2 litres..
My bladder.. she is whimpering.
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Q: Why is American beer/coffee like sex in a canoe? A: its F***ing close to water. Drink 12 oz of French expresso and you will realize the even Starbucks waters down their drinks. 12 - 24 oz of brown water is not a good deal, even if you get twice as much
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Ok, I've traveled through a bit of eastern Canada, but I can't remember how big the drinks were... so is this a North American thing, or a USA thing to have big soda/soft drink/pop containers?? This is serious business.. who can weigh in?
Everytime I stop at the local convienence store in my area (Co-Gos for those who care.) I get a "64 oz. Tank" of either Sprite or Coke. The whole 64 oz. cup costs $1.19 USD which is only $0.10 more expensive than their 20 oz. bottle of soda at $1.09. Thats 44 oz. more for $0.10 more. And it lasts me the whole day. Well worth it, in my opinion, and I would be glad to pay $0.10 or $0.20 more for a "80 oz. Super-Tank" or whatever they choose to call it.
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Most of the people who purchase huge drinks like these don't drink it in a single sitting. They either take it to work or take it home where it lasts them at least a few hours.
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I always thought it would be cool if drink and food vendors would personalized your drink cup with personal information that is printed on the cup or sleave on demand.
It would work like this. You register and create an account with say Starbucks. You log in to a website and enter your CC to use to pay for your drinks. You can also upload pictures of love ones or select from default designs, you can enter the stock symbols you are interested and the news categories you follow.
Then when you are on the go you buy yourself that tall Americano, flash them your card or some id. When you drink comes out there is your cup is personalized with a picture of your main squeeze, your current stock quotes and bulletized news updates. Heck when on the road i would stop and grap a cup just to get a picture of my family and check on my stocks.
Also more efficient for the vendor as they do not have to give change or process a cc for buck and half.
Let this stand as prior art if some company tries to "patent" this some day.
No, Minnesota. You must be from Wisconsin, where they drink soda when they're not drinking beer from "barrels".
Here in Minnesota, we drink our beer from kegs when not drinking pop.
Several weeks ago I had to provide a urine sample as part of the interview process for a government job. The problem was I couldn't do it! So the doctor gave me a 6-ounce cup, directed me to a water fountain and told me to just keep drinking water until I could pee.
Given that I didn't fill the cup to the point where it would overflow, I estimate I must have had about 5 ounces in each cupfull.
At least 40 cups and less than an hour later, I was shivering and bloated, but I could finally pee. Less than an hour after that, I desperately had to pee again, only this time the urine was crystal clear. I stood there peeing for several minutes (people came in, did their business, left... other people came in, did their business, left, etc.). When I got home about an hour after that, I peed clear again. That was probably about 200 ounces (2.5 of those 80-ounce monsters), or 6.25 quarts, which is just over half the amount that killed a U.S. Army trainee.
Rule of thumb:One monster drink is probably OK, though not healthy. Two is definitely unhealthy and wasteful (since you'll be pissing it out in an hour or two anyway, not absorbing it). Three will make you feel very sick and probably disoriented. Four or five will kill you.
I want one of these!
- No real sizes, no "small medium large" like every else on the planet. Ask them for a large, and they look like a deer in headlights for a second, then say "Oh, a venti". Stupid.
Hmmm, venti means 20 in italian:At least KFC and movie theatres can save some money since their chicken and popcorn buckets can now double as cups for soda.
Remember, at most fast food places here in the US, somewhere between 1/2 and 1/3 of any soda you order will be ice. Sometimes even more than half of it.
Hell, I see people having in convenience stores buying a 44 ounce Pepsi and a pack of cigarettes for breakfast. Oh, and $20 or $40 of lottery tickets. After work they stop in for 2 quarts of beer, a 99cent TV dinner and a pack of cigarettes for supper. What they have for lunch is anyone's guess.
when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
My standard coffee drink is a double-short Americano - small enough that I can still taste the espresso, but not quite as strong as straight espresso. I was in New York earlier this year, and I ordered this drink at a Starbuck's.
...
The clerk looked at me, and said, "A short? That's only this big." [holding up cup]
"Yes, that's what I want."
"Really? You only want a short?"
"Yes."
I never really thought of it as a terribly out of the ordinary drink
California charges sales tax on soda. (About 1.08%) So 85 cents for a 2 liter becomes 92 cents after tax. That's 46 cents a liter. A Double Gulp is 1.89 liters for 85 cents after tax. Comes out to 45 cents a liter. Not that my brother looked that closely into it, and I'm sure if he went to Walmart or some bulk-buying store, he could find 2 liters for even cheaper. But 7-11's convenient and cold, so it works for him.
If you go to one of the nice Viennese Cafehauses, I used to go. The tallest, biggest, whatever coffee you get is about 8 ounces. But, that's fine since it's the quality which counts. Right?
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Last year in school there was this skinny little guy that carried around a 64oz insulated cup around campus. The cup was about twice as big as his head. He never had anything in it, but carried it with him everywhere for about 2 months. It was great satire, and I never figured anyone would acually use one that big.
Last week I got a job at a gas station, and guess what? A LOT of people use these cups everyday, sometimes refilling it TWICE in a day. Judging by the peoples weight, it is not diet. Even if it is diet, that NutraSweet (Aspartame) is not good for you.
Since when was 8oz of coffee anough anyway? I remember when the fast food guys upped the size of a large drink from like 18oz to 32oz, and the regular from what, 8oz to 18oz? 8oz??? What a joke. Same with coffee. 8oz is like a teaser. It's a damn sample. It should be free to hook customers into buying a real cup of coffee. Why does it take these people so freakin long to figure out that what they call a regular or whatever should be the kid size? They should start calling it a puny. 8oz... I mean come on people!
10 ounces = 300 milliliters
12 ounces = 360 milliliters
20 ounces = 600 milliliters
30 ounces = 900 milliliters
40 ounces = 1.2 liters
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>> Had I been going to bed earlier every night? Have I been sleeping later? Has Tyler been in charge longer and l
What genius decided that the smallest size cup should be called a "Tall"? Tall? Compared to what?
And yeah, they get confused. I ask for a small coffee, they say "You mean a Tall?" No! I mean the smallest f-in one you sell!
I'm sure going to miss small cups of coffee - since taking caffeine in moderation is far better than making yourself superjitteryifyouknowwhatImean. There is something to be said for small sized hot beverages; and even for some small-sized drinks. But like we all know; you don't usually by a corner store soda intending to drink it all down right away. I remember in my gaming days I'd buy the 64oz Gulp, two chili-cheese dogs and Doritos and that would be lunch or a midnight snack. [Of course, seven years later I'm eating quite a bit better and watching my cholesterol, but that is offtopic...]
I think with the interesting people, their lives can't possibly be wrapped up into a nice little package.
Your forgot the 52oz Extreme Gulp, "the baldder buster". It takes a few hours to drink, and the rest of the day to get rid of. 82c to fill with your favorite fountain drink, or slurpee if you want to rip 'em off.
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The truly disturbing part is that they will sell this damned drink for like $3.00. Despite this, there are 2-Liters, about the same size, in the cooler, for $1. People are freaking sheep.
Same with the 20 oz drinks, which cost the same as 2-liters. Hey, I'm not ashamed to swig from a 2-L.
Why? Because of September 11th, you idiot!! What the hell did you think?? It is amazing how inconsiderate people here can be!
Those of us who have to shoot up insulin twice a day already due to broken genes (thanks mom and dad for the useless pancreas) have nothing to lose! My fridge is stocked with nothing but colas -- both diet and regular -- and water for the morning coffee. I don't remember the last time I drank juice. Milk? Don't waste my time; come back when it's carbonated and can give me brain damage.
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Could somebody please translate this pile of strange and confusing units to a sane (metric) system for me? Thanks so much.
I hope they never do make that 80-oz cup. If I put one of those in my cup holder, the whole damn computer would tip over.
We only have 250 ml cups over here. OTOH we know that everything is bigger in the US, so why shouldn't cups?
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Me: "I'd like a medium coke"
Droid: "We only have small, large and extra large"
I don't eat at fast food places often I've had this conversation way too often at pizza and fast food joints. It's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. If I say I want a medium, that means I want the middle sized whatever it is. (Never mind the incredible lack of logic in having three sizes and not calling the middle sized one medium...) But no, these morons can't deal with that.
And yes if I saw "Large" on my receipt without any explanation after ordering a medium I'd yell at them. And they would deserve it for having such a stupid setup. I don't care about their marketing problems. Not my concern. If you are going to have a stupid sales setup, expect the fallout.
I order a medium Coke and medium popcorn. I'm invariably asked if I'd like the large for just-25-cents-more. I'm invariably tempted to reply, "No thanks, I'm here to see a movie, not visit the restroom".
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Equally insane is the number of relatively equal sized soda bottles that companies use for the same soda. For example, I've seen Coke in 20 oz, 24 oz, and .5 liter (17 oz) bottles. Of course it also comes in 1 liter and 2 liter bottles too, but the crazy thing is that the first three sizes are basically the same...why not just sell one size!
In bulk quantities, water is pennies a gallon. If gas were sold in 8 ounce bottles it would cost more than water.
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Drinking water is (almost*) always good for the body. When it's hot and I am outside I can drink 2 gallons or more in a day. Not much point to 8 oz. cups then.
Of course soda, coffee, or booze is a different matter...
(* You can actually die from drinking too much water. I wouldn't worry about it though...)
Tim
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This subject relates nice to the Atkins diet craze. Not to reopen old wounds, but despite the absurd implication that obesity paralleled the rise in "healthy" eating (avoiding fat), doesn't it seem obvious -- and shouldn't both Atkins fans and those who's diets are based on actual research happily agree -- that increasing the average dose of coke from 10oz bottles to 32oz big gulps (an increase of more than 200 calories) would be expected to cause a dramatic rise in the rate obesity?
Gosh, per capita consumption of soda has doubled since 1974. Not at all surprisingly the obesity rate in the US has risen more or less in synchrony.
4) All part of training to make Americans bigger. Bigger food=bigger people, right? We'll be able to take over the world once all Americans are 11 feet tall, and everyone else averages 5'11".
More like 11 feet wide and unable to squeeze through the front door more likely...
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3. 80 ounce sodas everywhere.
8 U.S. fluid ounces is 236 ml.
16 U.S. fluid ounces is 473 ml.
20 U.S. fluid ounces is 591 ml.
44 U.S. fluid ounces is 1301 ml.
80 U.S. fluid ounces is 2366 ml.
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At every sudden jump in weight since 1945, the fast food industry introduced some kind of deal, like Burger Kings "Go Large" or McDs Super-sizing of menus. Our american teacher said that when the large fast food chains increased their menus, other food manufaturers did the same thing. The cost is marginal and the consumer is happy.
He also told us that the largest available McD menu here in Norway, is about the size of a small/medium adult menu in USA.
...that retail/food service is such a shitty job. Bitch bitch bitch. These poor high school kids may be dumb, but everything that comes out of their mouth is part of a script. If they don't offer you a supersize, they get repremanded/fired. If it's a choice between sounding stupid by offering to supersize your small fries, and my job, I'll sound stupid.
At blockbuster, they recruit customers to police their employees. There's a sign that says "if the cashier doesn't offer you any additional items, go see the manager and get a coupon!" or something to that effect. Meanwhile, some poor kid looses her spending money for the summer.
Blame the corporation, not the teenagers. You were stupid once, too. Now you're just a jackass.
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A related problem is "cup size inflation". Way Back Whe, Starbucks offered "short", "tall" and "grande". When the "short" vanished, "tall" shrank and became "regular", "grande" shrunk to "tall" size and "venti" arrived. Since "venti" is Italian for "20", I sure hope it never shrinks!
You obviously are brainwashed. Medium - Large - Extra Large makes no sense; Normal - Large - Extra Large would be okay, but why not just keep on calling it Small - Medium - Large? Boy, it's getting late here; gotta go to bed now.
Who's average? I've noticed when out drinking with buddies that they go to the bog (scottish slang for the head) a lot more than I do, so I got curious. I found that I could easily piss a pint, 20oz to a pint in the UK. and if I drink too much before I fall asleep (off night shift so I'm really tired)and get woken up in extreme pain, I have managed 1.25 litres, 2.2 british pints, 44oz or 2.7 US pints. Relief!
I stayed at a Omni in Dallas for a business trip. a 10 oz (yeah you heard right....a 10 oz!) Coke cost $2.75 + 17 %. Over 3 bucks for 10 oz's of pop! I found a grocery store and got a 12 pack. For a 50 cent bag of cookies it was also 3 bucks. Needless to say, I left the mini bar key at the front desk.
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There's a very simple explanation (which you've all seemed to miss)...The cost to pay John Doe to make the cup of X is constant no matter how big the cup is. (Well, ok, I suppose it does take a bit longer to fill, but it's certainly not a linear relationship.) This, combined with a minimal cost of materials means that as drinks get larger, so do profit margins.
.50 more it costs, so I'll continue to buy the "grande", "supersize" and the like from the drink menu.
(Self-serve removes the labor cost entirely, of course!)
Then again, I prefer to buy a drink that meets my needs and the convenience of buying one 32-oz drink rather than two 16-oz drinks is worth the
I think the 'smaller than a US courtesy cup' observation is an exaggeration. McDonald's has cup sizes that go up to about 500ml. They do have the smaller sizes, of course. I drink the large or the medium usually. On a more interesting note, smaller and larger sizes of cans are sold here (commonly about 10 years ago, but still now) side by side in vending machines.... ... For THE SAME PRICE!!
Go figure. If you really want to address diminishing marginal value, you should take a look at this. Less thirsty people do not want to drink half a can and then have to carry a goofy half empty can around. They buy the smaller size because it is less inconvenient after they have been satisfied. Cool huh? There are even VERY small cans that are sold sometimes. I think that they are 6oz... maybe even 4oz... about 80ml, I think. Apparently, people buy them. It is literally two 'swigs' and you are done.
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In 1997 I noticed many Kirin Beer vending machines in Sasebo and Yokosuka (sp?). They came in tall cans and were found near major shopping areas and arcades. Damn cool concept! Try looking around malls and covered streets.
single espresso served in a warm ceramic cup. Can I?
Not only is that half my weight, but who in the world has a cupholder in their car to hold that?
Seriously, I just want a stardard size coffee cup that will fit perfectly in a "standard car cup colder". A standard cupholder may be another issue.
I drink coffee on the way to work. I pass three places that sell good coffee (ok at least.) All three have different dimension cups. My Acura only fits 20oz cup very well.
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How long after they introduce that before some fool (or their kid) drowns in their Big Gulp, and the multi-jillion dollar lawsuit ensues?
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I always find it difficult to find an athletic cup based on ounces rather than inches - how do you fit it into a measuring cup, and measure accurately? Do you just include the frank, or do you include the beans? Not to mention if you accidently get some pubic hair twisted around - that can stink - so confusing, so akward!
I find my average to be 46 seconds. I can hold about 8 beers, after which it takes 150 seconds, and then about 20 seconds per following four beers, and then I can't count.
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but I am Gary Coleman, or am I?
Off to the gym.
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Well since you've brought it up, I'm compelled to go into my diatribe about 7-Eleven's missuse of their basic unit of liquid measurement, the "gulp". As it stands:
Gulp = 16 oz.
Big Gulp = 32 oz.
Super Big Gulp = 44 oz.
Double Gulp = 64 oz.
Now it stands to reason that if the "Gulp" is 16, shouldn't the 32 be the "Double Gulp", followed by the 44 being the "Big Gulp", and lastly the 64 being the "Super Big Gulp"?
I would not be opposed to calling the 64 the "Double Big Gulp", but only if the 44 oz. "Super Big Gulp" went away.
I am ready to petition for this re-naming plan, 'cause it bugs me that much...
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I'm under 40 and at one point when I was a kid a bottle of Coke came in a standard 6 oz bottle. I can't remember when they changed it, but we used to buy cases of Coke in heavy glass bottles that only held 6oz. This was the standard size at the time in vending machines and stores also. By the time I was 12, I remember buying Coke in a standard 12oz can. Although my memory isn't good enough to remember the exact dates, the amount of "standard" liquid in a bottle/can of Coke doubled in just a short period of time.
Hey Guys! Oooh Big gulps, eh? Allright!... Welp, see ya later!
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Unfortunately this rend has only one plausible outcome and it is inconvenient..
One day we're in this god forsaken town, I'm sorry I dont recall the name. Anyways, in this town there are lots of hills, cactus, lizards, probably some bleached cattle bones somewhere, a college and a gas station with attached minimart. The place was a complete wasteland. If you've ever been to a jazz compo, basically you wait for 5 hours, play a 20 minute set, wait 5 hours for the results, go home. Sometimes it can vary though, maybe you wait 2 hours, play 20 minutes, and then wait 8 hours for the results :) you get the idea ...
Of course this compo is in the california heat and it's 110 degrees out. We'd been sitting in the sun for 4 or 5 hours, and well, I have an allergy to a chemical in most but not all sodas, and everything at this freaking college I was alergic to. So I grab my friend and we get in the car and goto the gas station where they have, no lie, 128 ounce sodas. We were floored! The thing was as thick as a coffee can and made of pvc plastic, we could have used it for a terarium afterwords and it cost something like 2.99 (in 1995 no less). We *had* to have them so we filled up (thank jebus for dr pepper which Im not alergic to).
Theres not much more to the story besides the unavoidable consequences of two 17 year olds doped up on caffine and sugar. We ran around wild in the college for a few hours seeing what doors had been unlocked, leaving strange notes on the dry-erase boards in any classroom we could open. After our blood sugar crashed there was hell to pay of course, headaches, empty :) At the time we figured the 128oz drink was a test product of some kind, but for obvious reasons Ive never seen another one in my life --and thus ends the story of the elusive and much sought after 128 ounce coke.
Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley
Arrrrgh. Why does the US still use weird-arsed measurements like 'oz' pints quarts gallons?
Strange thing is that in some comments, people refer to 2 litre bottles of drink. Its gotta be easier to work out how many 200ml/250 glasses/cups per 2 litre (thats around 2Kg) bottle.
(I did think about trying to work out want 40oz was but decided life was waaay to short)
I know, a troll but it had to be said..
...otherwise we'd have seen thousands of 'Informative' posts relating oz, pints and quarters to mililiters, liters and other measures easily understandable by other folks. ;)
;p
BTW: Coffe around here is served in ~10ml cups: it is strong and bitter. (now go ahead and translate that to ozs !)
Not only is that half my weight, but who in the world has a cupholder in their car to hold that?
Here's your answer!
~Philly
How is that possible, considering that I am the REAL Gary Coleman... btw, you owe me.....
This is a subject that is pretty interresting to me since I started racing triathlons, I never really thought that things like Gatorade made sense until some people corrected me on this.
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The following is a first hand account of someone who experienced hyponatremia, pretty scary.
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Hi everyone,
I'm writing this to "the big list", the PA Buzzards, Virginia Happy Trails
Running Club, the Montgomery County Road Running Club (in Maryland) and a
few others to say THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH for the Get Well Wishes, Cards,
Flowers, and overall concern and support. Wow! I have a lot of wonderful
friends!
I am writing to so many people for a few reasons - first, I have received
many inquires about how I am doing after the Vermont 100 miler. Also, many
people heard about what happened (which I'll explain below) but only got
parts of the story. So you'll get the story here - as best I know it, from
me, Michele Burr - the person who got a severe case of hyponatremia at
VT100. The people who do know about my getting hyponatremia have urged me
to post something so that people are aware of this very serious problem.
I must admit, I don't remember much because I had a seizure and went into a
coma but I have pieced together many things from people who saw me at the
end of the race and from talking with my husband, who thank God, was there
at the finish line and with me during my 5 day stay at two hospitals in
Vermont and then New Hampshire.
WHAT IS HYPONATREMIA? This is a condition in which there is a very low
concentration of sodium in your blood. It is also seen in conjunction with
WEIGHT GAIN (not weight loss) and most often occurs during endurance
exercise lasting more than 5 to 7 hours. (From:
http://www.halcyon.com/gasman/water.htm) More specifically, hyponatremia
develops as sodium and free water are lost and replaced by fluids, such as
plain tap water, half-normal saline, or dextrose in water. Basically, this
condition occurs when a person takes in too much water and not enough salt.
So you are probably wondering...was I taking Suceed! caps? Was I drinking
electrolyte fluids? Yes to both of these questions but obviously I was not
taking enough of either one of these things and yes, I was also eating
potato chips, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, fig newtons, and potatoes
-but again, it wasn't enough salt and I was taking in too much water. My
weight was up 5 pounds at the last weigh-in. To give you an understanding of
where my sodium level was compared to a normal person....most people have
about 140-145 mEq/L - this is some sort of measure of the amount of salt in
your blood. I had 113 mEq/L. This is extremely low. So, why is this a
problem? Because you need sodium in your blood for your brain to function.
WHAT ARE THE SYMPTOMS? The answer to this question is the scary part and why
this is such a medical emergency when it occurs.
****Many of the symptoms are NEUROLOGICAL in origin.**** Level of alertness
can range from agitation to a coma state. Variable degrees of cognitive
impairment (eg, difficulty with short-term recall; loss of orientation to
person, place, or time; frank confusion or depression). Other symptoms
include seizure activity and irrational behavior. In patients with acute
severe hyponatremia, signs of brainstem herniation, including coma; fixed,
unilateral, dilated pupil; decorticate or decerebrate posturing; and
respiratory arrest. Coma and seizures usually occur only with acute
reduction of the serum sodium concentration to less than 120 mEq/L.
(Remember my sodium level was at 113 mEq/L.)
I didn't recognize where I was or who my friends were or who my husband was
at the end of the race. I walked the last 5 to 10 miles which is very
unusual for me and people said I didn't know who they were and it appeared
as though I didn't even know I was in a race. Shortly after I crossed the
finish line on Saturday night I started to vomit uncontrollably then I had a
seizure then I went into a coma. I remained in a coma for 3 days. At some
point before I woke up out of the coma I began the "irrational behavior"
mentioned above. I pulled out all my IVs and ripped off my EKG patches and
tried to kick and hit the nursing and neurosurgeon staff. I was very
combative whenever someone tried to touch me and was eventually given
antipsychotic medication.
When I woke up I didn't know where I was, what
had happened, what month, or year it was. Upon being forced to give a guess
for the month I told the neurosurgeons, "I think it's Vermont" for the
month. I couldn't read and I couldn't add numbers. On Tuesday after the
race I started to feel much, much, better. I could read again and I had
watched a car commercial to figure out what year it was. I also got a lot
of the story about what happened from my husband. It was on this day (or
maybe Monday?) I learned I had been in another hospital earlier. Why was I
first in a small local hospital (Ascutney in Windsor, VT) and then
transferred by ambulance to Dartmouth-Hitchcock? That has to do with the
scariness about how to treat this medical emergency. It you don't do it
right, it will lead to further and permanent brain damage.
HOW IS HYPONATREMIA TREATED? From http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/heat.html: It
says that the condition is frequently mis-diagnosed as dehydration and that
the consumption of water makes matters worse because it dilutes the blood
sodium concentration even further than it already is.
From http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic275.htm
"The principal causes of morbidity and death are when chronic hyponatremia
reaches levels of 110 mEq/L or less and cerebral pontine myelinolysis (an
unusual demyelination syndrome that occurs when HYPONATREMIA IS CORRECTED
TOO QUICKLY).
Much has been written about treatment of hyponatremia and the potential
adverse outcome of central pontine myelinolysis. This condition is
demyelination of the pons, which can lead to mutism, dysphasia, spastic
quadriparesis, pseudobulbar palsy, delirium, coma, and even death.
Raising the serum sodium concentration more than 25 mEq/L or to a normal or
above-normal level in the first 48 hours increases the likelihood of central
pontine myelinolysis.
The main controversy in the literature surrounds treatment of chronic
symptomatic hyponatremia because, as mentioned, central pontine myelinolysis
may result if the condition is corrected too rapidly. Therefore, although
treatment in these patients is similar to that just described, the rate of
correction should be slower (0.5 to 1 mEq/L per hour). Aggressive therapy
should be discontinued when the serum sodium concentration is raised 10% or
symptoms abate."
Upon being admitted at the first hospital in Vermont my soium level was 113
mEq/L but then quickly went to 116 and the next reading was at 126. The
hospital felt uncomfortable and kept telling my husband it was possible I'd
get "PONDS" - which is central pontine myelinolysis (permanent brain
damage). They also told him to think about long term care for me and that
"things could turn out a number of ways". They also asked him if I remained
in a vegetative state, would I want my organs donated and did I have a
living will prepared. At this point, an ambulance took me to New Hampshire
to Dartmouth-Hitchcock. Needless to say, I think I aged my husband about 10
years during these 5 days.
WHAT ARE THE LONG TERM EFFECTS? Well, so far I feel I am about 95% back to
where I was neurologically before the race. (Physically, I lost 10 pounds.)
I couldn't remember my password when I got to my office so I couldn't log
into my computer and I forgot a combination lock number I often used. I
also forgot a few people's names. I had a little bit of trouble typing and
signing my name but that seems to be gone now. The last clear things I
remember from the race are at the mile 18 aid station. I am also a bit
spacey (it's a bit difficult for me to concentrate) but I can drive. I am a
research scientist so it's important that I be able to generate and
interpret statistics. I haven't tried that yet but I'm optimistic. Here are
a few more links (in case you just can't get enough about hyponatremia):
http://www.spinalhealth.net/hypon
http://www.fred.net/ultrunr/hyponatr
Finally, the way to avoid this in the future (for me) is to drink less water
and eat more salt. I will also push for a blood test from my doctor before
I run another 100 (this was my 5th one) to make sure I am not starting out
at a deficit - which is what the doctors were suggesting at
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Hospital. They said that my low sodium diet, combined
with a high volume of running (sometimes as much as 100 miles/week) and
sweating in the heat and humidity here in the Washington DC area were the
problem combined with the low volume of electrolyte fluids (relative to the
amount of water I was taking in).
This was scary. I hope some people will be educated by reading this and for
the many people who emailed and asked me what happened, I hope this answered
their questions.
Thank you so very much again everyone for your concern. My friends,
co-workers, relatives, and the ultrarunning community have been great!
Michele Burr
If you want to e-mail me, use my PGP Key.
If you want to really get a small cup at a fast food place, just ask for an "ice water." The thimble they give you couldn't hold one of their ice cubes.
from what I've seen of the comments, I guess I was the only hockey fan left horribly insecure by the gist of the posting.
Time for that 10-inch penis pump, indeed.
Once you remove all the ice they serve with it. Ask for a drink with no ice once.
The attendant then asked him if he wanted the 64oz, or the large? "If you want the large, you'll have to pull round back with your truck."
Listening to comedy from 5-10 years ago shows two trends in the general public: upsizing and diversifying.
One of Denis Leary's better rants from Lock n' Load was about how "You can get every other flavor of coffee out there except COFFEE FLAVORED COFFEE. They've got mochachino, they've got cappachino, frapachino, rappachino, Al Pacino, WHAT THE FUCK?"
Think about it, though. Next time you go to a 7-Eleven, and you fill up a 64 ounce drink with Vanilla Coke. Think about whether or not it'll fly nowadays. Think about whether or not Crystal Pepsi would have made it today with Britney Spears and Austin Powers hawking it.
What was there back then, anyways? That's not a Pepsi, that's a Crystal Pepsi. And that's not a Dark Michael Jackson. That's a new and improved White, light, and refreshing Michael Jackson!
I only wish that Tab would have still been a major player in soft drinks nowadays. With all the saccharine, they could have people like Denis Leary doing commercials for "New and Improved Cancer-Causing Cranberry Tab!"
Doesn't sound like a good idea? Oh well. Maybe that one's only for the smoking demographic.
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Give me that 80 ouncer, cuz I want some Diet Pepsi. Mmmm nutrasweet. As long as it don't make me fat I don't care what it does to me. I think it may be addictive...
I'm sorry, Geek Unfriendly?
I'm a 19 year old web developer and Jr. Syadmin. I care about the MPPA, RIAA, Freedom... About computing issues. I'll even argue VI over Emacs.
By most accounts I am a geek.
I also happen to be a bodybuilder, and was plesantly surprised about an article regarding health concerns.
Not every geek in the world wants to die when a 5lb blob of lard finally hits their heart. Not all of us are fat lazy pigs either.
Mabie a number of geeks don't have time to get up and work out... That doesn't mean they don't care about health.
I'd like to dispell this idea that geeks are ugly, overweight, sloppy, and socially inept... Mabie then I could call myself one in public without feeling like I'm insulting myself.
The substance in the cup constitutes very little of the cost of selling the cup - that is, taking the order, collecting the money, filling the order, getting the stuff to you, cleaning up the table where you drank it, constantly cleaning up the whole darned store to meet the health code... The same thing applies to the burgers, fries, etc. So the restaurants can quite easily offer a lot more food and drink for just a little more money, and it looks like a great deal.
It is a great deal - for your cardiologist.
(I should talk. One of my two-year old grandsons just patted my belly and asked, "baby?"
Ahhhh, its amazing I managed to find it, but here it is.
Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill
Why do they keep changing small orders to medium or short? Is it because we thing the coffee, pizza or whatever peice of merchandise feels insulted?
Honestly it's stupid. I work part time at a coffee shop and we don't have special names for the coffee. Noone comes in and orders a grande or tall or whatever coffee they just say "I want your smallest cup" or "do you have anything larger?" and our sizes are simple: Small Medium and Large. Seriously people just don't care.
It's funny though because I have a simple question "If medium is your smallest size how is it the middle size?" In reference to a drink I guess you would just ask them to open wide and not worry about how unsanitary it is to use your thumb to shoot the drink into their mouth. But hey it serves them right for having some logic.
I'm so sick of non metric US measurments who cares about an 80 ounce cup!!! i want 5 deciliters or 2.5 liters or something! coca cola has gotten a little better by making their bottles come in 1/2 a liter (no not 5 deciliters or 500 mililiters /sigh)
Good luck in hell.
How do I know, you ask? Because I have to piss exactly twice after drinking a Super Big Gulp full of Mountain Dew.
Of course, I don't think you can take half a piss...
You just have 72oz of ice in the thing leaving you with the same, paltry 80z we started with decades ago.
(and whether or not I'm at a hockey game).
I have something in common with Stephen Hawking...
It's spelt Litre!!!!!
A Litre of milk, a litre of coke etc
Not Liter - this is not a word !
I think the reason why 12 oz. cups of coffee are more common nowadays is the fact that the average standard size coffee mug is 12 oz. to start with. I'm sure folks in the Seattle area have seen certain coffee beverages served on what looks like a large soupbowl (yikes!).
As for single-serviing cold drinks, we first started with 8 oz. bottles, then 12 oz. bottles, then 16 oz. bottles, then 12 oz. cans, then 16 oz. cans (though this is rare nowadays), and now 20 oz. bottles. Indeed, pretty much every soft drink I know of if they use a bottle are sold in a 20 oz. bottle that can fit most automobile cupholders easily.
The so-called Super Sized cups are not as common as people think. I actually find it a bit unwieldy to hold even the 32 oz. cups found at most convenience stores. In fact, the largest cup I can hold comfortably is the 22 oz. Slurpee cup from 7-Eleven, due to the fact this cup can fit standard automobile cup holders and also my hand can comfortably hold the cup.
I have one of those cups sitting around somewhere. My officemate ran into a CircleK (they also have the 64oz cups) and asked if I wanted anything - I said to get me a sprite.
He came out with one of these things, which I think cost like $0.89.
Best use I've found for the cup is to fill it up with Guinness and have a nice evening!
most people have an oral fixation, i've read about all sorts of research that shows cigarette addiction comes not only from nicotine, but from a basic instinct to suckle, as humans we are born with few instincts, we learn most things, btu one of our basest instincts is to suckle, this need to be constantly drinking can be atributed to that
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
I know caffine fiends who down a triple shot mocha latte whatever, which easily has more caffine than the average 8oz in a smaller container. The only serious downside to this is you build up a tolerance and anything less just doesn't cut it, regulating the victim to the "blatter buster" size or go for the quadra-shot. Really not a pretty sight either way...
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This is just another example of economics being applied in an amoral fashion. For quite some time I've been lamenting the demise of the 12-oz can in convenience stores, which has been replaced with 20-oz plastic bottles. All too often I find myself falling prey to the "you've gotta finish it" mentality. No doubt this comes from being told as a kid to "clean your plate because people are starving overseas".
Of course, I could just pour out the extra soda or plan ahead by purchasing smaller units at the grocery store. However, if I were inclined to do that I wouldn't be at the convenience store to begin with. Planning ahead simply isn't... well... convenient.
So... what can we do with all that flat soda? I hate the idea of just dumping it, so here's my proposal: Flat soda collection centers.
It's not as crazy as you think. Since all non-diet sodas are essentially sugar-water with an acid pH, all we have to do is dump them in a vat, rebalance the pH, add yeast, and let them ferment. Then we can distill the product into ethanol and use it to power stuff.
Of course this will never work. Most people drink the whole 20-oz, or just dump the flat soda. If I were the tinfoil-hat type, I'd say there was a conspiracy to make America fat, but it's really just amoral economics.
The companies get a better margin on bigger bottles. They can afford to please the gluttons at the expense of the rest of us because the gluttons are their best customers. There are only 2 major soda companies. Any vendor that tries to carry the smaller sizes faces the same margins. They may also face pressure from the soda companies. Pepsico does a lot of its business because it owns restaurants. They should be forced to divest all their restaurant holdings, as this is very much against the public interst. Alternatively, their corporate charter could be revoked thus relieving them of both the benefits and obligations of being a corporation. Of course charter revokation is a futile proposal since the public service nature of corporations is all but dead and burried.
Both soda companies are guilty of using heavy-handed contracts on independant operators. All corporations (not just soda companies) should be barred from making deals that prevent customers from dealing in competing products. Such a law, were it in force, would solve much of the Microsoft problem too.
At any rate, the application of "economies of scale" to serving people drinks is just one of many examples of economics being applied without thought. These aren't refineries we're fueling here, THEY'RE HUMAN BEINGS. They require something other than maximum volume at minimum cost.
Don't worry too much though. Misguided economics works in the other direction too. Free Trade wags are actually seriously proposing the elimination of subsidies and tarrifs on agricultural products worldwide. As everybody who took basic economics knows, agricultural subsidies help ensure greater than "market" output. Market output could lead to food shortages in drought years. Tarrifs encourage local production. Take away the tarrifs, and US agriculture might flee to a lower cost producer. Yes folks... all of this means that Americans, yes AMERICANS. May someday be taking grain from UN workers throwing it out the back of trucks. And the Blue Helmet guys probably won't offer you the option of "super sizing" that sack of wheat.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
It's been quite obvious for years that there has been an increasing trend for larger cup sizes.
I mean, we've gone from Twiggy, to Cindy Crawford to Britney Spears.
Oh, you mean COFFEE cup sizes.
Nevermind.
how can you call 80oz a cup? Call it what it is, a pail / small bucket for godsake!
I really get fed up with fast food restaurants trying to get people to buy more and more, by sending the message that they're not buying enough. First they keep asking if we want more, then after giving more, treat it like it's not enough:
"Yes, I'd like the personal pan pizza for dinner."
response: "Would you like to make that a MEAL with a drink and fries for only $2 more?"
"No, I was under the impression a pizza would constitute a meal for most normal people."
Sorry to tell you this,
but I think that it becomes fairly obvious :
The american people is just accepted by the american-empire-state and the united corporates of americas as long as it can sustain a always growing economy.
Capitalism isn't a stable system, it just can't keep as it is. It has to grow...and the american people will have too...
All the system wants from you is that consume more and more. Jean Chretien, the virtual canada's prime minister just said it during war on terrorism "keep consuming". All the empire wants from its people is consumption, no more decision.
This was the old democratic way. Now just keep getting fat, watch tv, buy tele marketing, buy your happiness and be prepared to the ultimate consumption : the war, and end-less war against an endless ennemy. All you will produce will be destroyed, from missiles to submarines, to buildings as in 1984 and 2001...
But don't forget that some people will still get some profit in the story.
EXTRA cheese in your BIG mac with your MAGNUM coke ?
(just remember american people just consume 25 more resources than the poorest people of the world and twice as much as europeans)
Hm, I'm getting a lof of pet back-burner projects stacked up, maybe it's time I actually got up and started some of them...
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I know this is slightly OT, but recently a friend was telling me that aspartame has been linked to cases of lupus and MS. Can anybody here tell me a little more about this? A couple of the websites I found seem to be extremist propaganda leaning one way or the other. Have any real studies been done, and if so, why is it still available?
Never fight naked, unless you're in prison...
The cup holders in my Alfa Romeo aren't big enough to hold American-brand drink bottles. I have to buy Evian :-)
Doesn't America have a weight problem?
That's very nice. Now I have some idea what the hell this story is about. So that big bastard is 80oz cup they were talking about is slightly bigger than the 2 litre coke bottle that lasted me all week in year 10 camp hey? I'm sure that'll do a good job of cleaning the grease and oil of my car engine (coke is famous for this in Australia).
ounces, pints...
can't you (north american) people talk in metric units, so the rest of the world understands you?
Actually, you're playing into Atkin's hands here... He maintained that eating less fat and more carbohydrates caused people to get fatter. (Not that I'm in favor of the Atkins diet)
I myself am not so sure that you can blame soda alone for weight gain. Don't a lot more people drink diet soda now than in the 1970s, if it even existed then?
The problem with 7-Eleven is that the "Gulp" really should be called the "Small Gulp".
What's a small gulp? Isn't that like a sip?
I've always been confused by the fact that they used a measurement of speed instead of size, anyway. Gulping your drink down means to drink it fast, not necessarily to take large mouthfuls, because you can do that slowly.
Get off my launchpad!
He also brings up a lot of issues with meat and how it's raised. As a vegetarian (vegan), this is an important issue to me. There's a nice interview with him by PBS about meat. Here's one with the BBC.
I know it can be a problem, but like anyone else around here, i take my caffeine in 2 liter doses.
A coworker and I were talking about this a few weeks ago and used McDonalds as an example. I can remember when I was a kid, small fries came in a bag, small sodas were 8oz. We've traded quantity for quality. It's cheaper for McDonalds to give us more of a bad product then it is to figure out why it sucks and make it better.
Does anyone wonder why we're the fattest country in the world.
Christ, how much do these companies think people need to drink, anyway?
The right question is "Christ, how much CAN YOU MAKE them drink anyway?"
Privacy is terrorism.
But the marketroids' evidence that it works isn't really relevant. They say more people are buying medium portions. Yet, if you named the sizes "aardvark, lemming and hatstand" instead of "small, medium and large", they'd say that the "aardvark" size was a success as n% of people are choosing it.
When you're given a limited set of options, you select the most appropriate from those available. It doesn't mean that they're the ideal options. Heck, they're not even as described - how often do you find that your 0.5litre diet coke is actually 0.3 litres of coke and 0.2 litres of ice and frozen-in bubbles?
The thing that makes it nasty here is that they don't just rename to arbitrary size names, they also hide or eliminate the small ones, so that even if you only want to wash the bad taste out of your mouth, you have to buy 50 litres of hypermegaexpensive latte to do it. Even if it does taste nice, you might not want to - so they remove your choices. B'Stards!
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Excuse me? I thought only type 1, juvenile onset diabetes sufferers, took insulin injections? I thought type 2, adult onset diabetes sufferers were supposed to control their blood sugar through diet and exercise.
I understood that many native communities were struck by epidemics of obesity and adult onset diabetes when they shifted to the same diet of junk food as the rest of us, but that when the sufferers lost weight, through a healthy diet and exercise, their diabetes disappeared.
Repeating my main point -- a bad diet can help you acquire diabetes as an adult, but you won't "shoot up" insulin.
At Tim Horton's in Canada they have four sizes of coffee -- S, M, L and XL. At Tim Horton's in the U.S., they only have three sizes that they call S, M, and L, but are actually the M, L, and XL sizes. If you look at the lid of your cup you'll even see the Canadian size embossed on it.
Like saccharin, Nutrasweet will kill your ass dead if you eat your body weight in it every day for twenty years.
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I want to take back my previous reply. I've looked at your posting history, and yeah like you said, you've "obviously been an asshole" for a long, long time. You seem to be proud of it, so that shouldn't be taken as an insult. I originally thought you were picking me out specifically, just to get under my skin, for no good reason. As it turns out, you do this to a lot of people, for your own reasons. Probably because you just like flaming people. And if it makes you feel good, go for it.
I apologize for flaming you back, and threatening you with physical violence. You're right, it was even more immature than mustering up "a half-wit comeback or even a 10 cent quip." In fact, neither would have been an appropriate response. I just hope that you're not as conversationally abrasive in person. If you are, at some point, I have a feeling that it will probably come back to haunt you, in some form or another. This relatively anonymous form of posting is obviously something you feel you need to do (for whatever reason, and I have some vague notions), so in fact, your post has very little to do with me.
Please continue to flame my posts as much as you need. I hope it gets you what you looking for. And again, I apologize for the physical threat, it was most definitely uncalled for. Also, I don't think I'll be calling you a pussy anytime soon.
May all your flames be orgasmic.
--PMadavi
P.S.Dignity is not something that you can take from a person, who is unwilling to relinquish it. While I did let go at first, with my childish response to your flame, I do feel that I have reclaimed it ever since I decided that being angry at your flame was utterly ridiculous. Again, congratulations for initially getting under my skin.
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>America subsidises its farmers to such an extent that overproduction is inevitable
That's total bullshit.
Farmers are paid to produce less than they can to create a market for their product.
The United States does not have a "surplus" of food, nor would such a thing logically affect eating habits, obesity, etc.
We can neither love nor pity nor forgive. If you make a slip in handling us you die!
Not that Canada's super thin, we just tend to not be as fat when we are fat, and the median is at a heathly BMI instead of the "overweight" BMI marker.
The fact that the entire eat-out food culture of the US is based around fast-food and other places where upselling and the size shell game (make the package hold less and charge the same, them "introduce" the larger one back at a larger price) makes me wonder.
2,000 calories (or kcals if you're anal) is the borderline you want to keep your eating at if you have a healthy metabolism. One "meal" with large fries and a large (super-sized) drink and something like a double quarter pounder is something like 2,400 calories in total. Is it any wonder why people are overweight?
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And knowing the costs on items, I can say that the burgers are sold at about 20-40% mark up (depending on type and meat). Fries are stupidly cheap: where I work, 1lb of fries is 96 cents Canadian. A "medium" (4.5oz) package of fries costs 1.69 before taxes. I don't know how many oz are in a pound (I'm Canadian even if your distributors aren't), but I know that that's an insane markup. The same goes for our pop. A syrup box lasts for a long time (20L of syrup mixes to hundreds of litres, and our largest size is only a litre and a bit and costs 2.02$ after taxes).
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Making the drink and fries larger has a marginal cost to the company of a penny or two. It has the marginal benefit of getting 40 or more extra cents. If every penny I owned could make a 4000% return, I'd never have to work fast food again!
Note: I'm factoring in labour on the burgers, too. However, they only take about 30-90 seconds to make, which means that at its worst, only 1/60th of 6.35 Canadian has to be added onto the (small) costs fo the burger itself
This marginal cost/marginal benefit reason is also why many consumer electronics places try to upsell their ESA (extended service agreements). They get an extra 50$ or 100$ of pure profit out of you, for little extra work. If something goes wrong, they're out... but chances are things well be ok. Especially on electronics which tend not to have very many moving parts. There are exceptions (I've had nothing but troubles with my Xbox, and had te buy an ESA to get it fixed), but in general every place that ever tries to offer you a "deal" at the end is doing it to increase their margins.
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Which I know from my time under the golden arches...
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It consists of the following: a cheese burger, a small-size fries (3oz), and a small drink (12 oz I think, I'm not good with US weights and measures).
I'm just curious why the "All-Canadian" is the same as the US, but smaller. Once again, that curious service-industry link to cronic obeisity is worming its way into my mind
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Congratulations, not only was that a good save, but we all learned something. You came through despite my insulting and meaningless verbal assult and ended up taking the high road. I bet you'll be taking the high road more often.
While you do that, I'll continue taking the low road so others can take the high road.
I have conceeded...
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
What about the benefit to the amount of calories being ingested?
Economics models that are too simple do not take into account factors like health, or sane amounts of calorie ingestion per day.
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well, for first hand experiance....
My wife is slightly diabetic, her reaction is a bit slow.
If she eats/drinks nutrasweet, it makes her blood sugar stay up in the 200's. If she uses unsweetened or Splenda sweetened stuff it ends up back into the normal 110-140 range.
nutra sweet also makes her vision blury, something no other artificial sweetener does.
I just got back from Mexico and in a lot of parts I visited, the best I could get is a 12oz bottel. Even in puebla most common was 600ml. This drove me crazy. I need a lot to quench my thirst on a hot day and its not like I can just turn on the faucet down there.
/. crowd has ever worked outdoors, yet alone in a construction type job, where you pick up 64oz QT cup and its your drink for the rest of the morning. When you are lifting and actually WORKING and not working on an ass imprint, then I bet the upgrade from 64oz to 80oz of energy punch would be welcomed!
Also, I doubt that more then 1% of the
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All this talk about giant cokes supersized everything has got me hungy. I know what I'm having for lunch!
I bet Pavlov's Dogs wished Pavlov would Supersize their meals...
But I've only got a 32 oz bladder at best!
It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
I wanted to see if my cup holder had room for a 24-oz drink, but while reaching over I accidentally hit the computer's power button. Gee, thanks a lot.
Franchise branding for different markets.
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In the US, Wal-mart is Wal*mart. * as in *s and stripes. Interesting?
Wendy's, Arby's, McDonald's all use little maple leaves in place of apostrophes in Canada.
This is something you notice if you're a person who thinks like me
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