"Perhaps we should be trying to help people instead of locking them in a box, or in countries like the USA, a rape factory."
That presumes the same defectives who like crime can somehow be "helped". The solution is to lock them up and keep them locked up, which decreasing crime rates in the US bear out. Beasts belong in cages, not let out to play.
Those of us who are good deserve a safe and comfortable society as free as practical from the rapey/robby/stabby sort. We don't need to care about our enemies, but to isolate or kill them. They had the option to behave themselves and refused.
"Worse yet, unions have, in many cases, gone from protecting workers from exploitation to becoming the very thing they decry, and often do more damage than they're worth."
Business is war between labor and management over money. Of course they will be at each others throats. When one is "management", unions are the enemy. When one is "labor" business is the enemy.
The whole idea that the world should be dumbed down (think of the children/weak-minded/overly sensitive/) to the level of the lowest among us is absurd.
"its easy to laugh at them, point fingers and call them weak but the fact of the matter is they are being psychologically manipulated."
It is also appropriate to give them shit for being weak. Those not liking the consequences of mistaking entertainment for something more need to change, or they will be fucked by their poor decisions.
In other news, slow zebra become lion shit, and in doing so help select for faster zebra.
That kind of social cleansing MUST come from a motivated indigenous movement, able to penetrate all levels of society, act in detail, and persist to secure the results.
Catholicism is compatible with degenerate local beliefs, which is why it thrives in backward areas and why it is recruiting in the Third World even as it loses parishes in modern countries.
Note the amusing mixture of Catholicism and local religions throughout Latin America.
The Taliban are suitable to Afghanistan, and ideally adapted to maintain order among other primitive people. Don't forget that religion IS suitable to primitives which is why it preceded more enlightened ideas. Their only objectionable act was providing basing for Al Qaeda to use against the US.
As for Franco, he saved Spain from Stalinism and again from involvement in WWII. He did a fine job killing Communists, which was the way one had to deal with them at the time. Pinochet also dealt effectively with Marxists, though he didn't use much violence in comparison to Franco.
Both the Franco and Pinochet regimes were replaced by more relaxed regimes after their "missions" were accomplished.
They need an effective police state, and a Pinochet, a Franco, or other ruler who has enough leverage to kill anyone who is a threat to good citizens.
There is a point where the strictly limited and extremely restrained legalistic ways which are practical in stable countries do not work.
War, not law, is then necessary to kill and destroy the enemies of the people. Mexico is a failed state, and the way to put those in order is to give orders, enforce them with force, and ensure the narco-warlords are killed so they cannot operate from prison.
In the US, by comparison, we have trivial crime rates, pampered lives, and are so comfortable we cannot even understand such situations.
"people will stop acting like trash because there will be more consequences and the world will be a better place to live in."
Nah. They'll just adapt and get the proper "if you don't like me, FOAD!" attitude they should sack up and have anyway. Political Correctness won't last forever.
"I notice that your reply is somewhat short on alternative explanations of why "sex crimes" are treated in all the supposedly science-based and "rational" Western democracies as far more serious offenses than killing or armed robbery, and why the same is true for Islamic theocracies...."
Because Western democracies are not yet free of superstition. It took hundreds of years and millions dead before we progressed that far. The price was a bargain, and we should be prepared to continue paying it as an investment in the future. Among the wonderfully beneficial and often overlooked effects of the World Wars and of Communism was the weakening in the belief in imaginary celestial friends (due to them failing to protect believers).
The religious fanatic holdouts tend to be in countries that haven't suffered serious wars (serious wars kill millions, less is a skirmish).
"100-year wars were fought between Catholics and Protestants, but we got over it, and now we can speak of Europe, and are more prosperous than ever. "
You make my point for me. Europe took centuries of warfare to WEAKEN religion into to social club it is today. We may revile it in the streets and put crucifixes in jars of urine if we like.
Why is it not reasonable to expect the that reformation of Islam will require massive violence, prepare for that, and be comfortable with the idea that violence is the price for weakening superstition? The nice thing about religionist war is the casualties don't matter.
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You have meaningful OS choice on a netbook. Some of us, self included, DEMAND that.
Those who failed to consider the implications of buying very limited devices can always buy another, different device.
Phones and pads are intended to be throwaways, so throw them away when you are done. What some purchasers want of them is not what they are for.
"Perhaps we should be trying to help people instead of locking them in a box, or in countries like the USA, a rape factory."
That presumes the same defectives who like crime can somehow be "helped". The solution is to lock them up and keep them locked up, which decreasing crime rates in the US bear out. Beasts belong in cages, not let out to play.
Those of us who are good deserve a safe and comfortable society as free as practical from the rapey/robby/stabby sort. We don't need to care about our enemies, but to isolate or kill them. They had the option to behave themselves and refused.
That's a logical point, and it goes both ways.
Employers and workers are natural competitors (on a good day) and natural _enemies_ most of the time.
When one is an employer, as citizens are of teachers, they need to be very aware that their employees can not be on their side.
There is no reason for tenure. It is an absurd concept and should be abolished.
"Worse yet, unions have, in many cases, gone from protecting workers from exploitation to becoming the very thing they decry, and often do more damage than they're worth."
Business is war between labor and management over money. Of course they will be at each others throats. When one is "management", unions are the enemy. When one is "labor" business is the enemy.
The whole concept of "tenure" is absurd. Produce or GTFO.
For once, I think the 4chan meme is appropriate. If he's that fucked up, he won't get better, and should "an hero".
"I hardly think being manipulated into buying another cheeseburger or diet pepsi is going to have a similar effect."
Obesity can be fatal.
Bullshit on "drawing the line".
The whole idea that the world should be dumbed down (think of the children/weak-minded/overly sensitive/) to the level of the lowest among us is absurd.
"its easy to laugh at them, point fingers and call them weak but the fact of the matter is they are being psychologically manipulated."
It is also appropriate to give them shit for being weak. Those not liking the consequences of mistaking entertainment for something more need to change, or they will be fucked by their poor decisions.
In other news, slow zebra become lion shit, and in doing so help select for faster zebra.
"Speak for yourself. I was insensitive before I got here. :-P"
Prior art! Quick, sue someone for something!
"Do you have no life because you post on Slashdot?
Or do you post on Slashdot because you have no life?"
Yes.
This thread is worthless without pics!
Which is why they richly deserve to be fucked good and hard by the people who sell them toys, and why they bring us lulz.
"What ever happened to "we"?"
It changed into iUs.
If you want to drive demand for new processors, sell bloatware. :P
"Why so much hatred for the rural folks on Slashdot?"
Urban elitism.
That is not remotely practical.
That kind of social cleansing MUST come from a motivated indigenous movement, able to penetrate all levels of society, act in detail, and persist to secure the results.
Catholicism is compatible with degenerate local beliefs, which is why it thrives in backward areas and why it is recruiting in the Third World even as it loses parishes in modern countries.
Note the amusing mixture of Catholicism and local religions throughout Latin America.
The Taliban are suitable to Afghanistan, and ideally adapted to maintain order among other primitive people. Don't forget that religion IS suitable to primitives which is why it preceded more enlightened ideas. Their only objectionable act was providing basing for Al Qaeda to use against the US.
As for Franco, he saved Spain from Stalinism and again from involvement in WWII. He did a fine job killing Communists, which was the way one had to deal with them at the time. Pinochet also dealt effectively with Marxists, though he didn't use much violence in comparison to Franco.
Both the Franco and Pinochet regimes were replaced by more relaxed regimes after their "missions" were accomplished.
Which is why we should have left it alone. Iraq was contained (containment is considered acceptable for vastly worse North Korea), and stable.
Invading Iraq merely drained our Treasury and damaged our economy with the only useful outcome being the continuation of the petrodollar.
They need an effective police state, and a Pinochet, a Franco, or other ruler who has enough leverage to kill anyone who is a threat to good citizens.
There is a point where the strictly limited and extremely restrained legalistic ways which are practical in stable countries do not work.
War, not law, is then necessary to kill and destroy the enemies of the people. Mexico is a failed state, and the way to put those in order is to give orders, enforce them with force, and ensure the narco-warlords are killed so they cannot operate from prison.
In the US, by comparison, we have trivial crime rates, pampered lives, and are so comfortable we cannot even understand such situations.
"people will stop acting like trash because there will be more consequences and the world will be a better place to live in."
Nah. They'll just adapt and get the proper "if you don't like me, FOAD!" attitude they should sack up and have anyway. Political Correctness won't last forever.
"A society that has forgotten to forgive will hold a grudge against itself forever."
As Alan Watts pointed out, under Christianity, guilt is a virtue.
"I notice that your reply is somewhat short on alternative explanations of why "sex crimes" are treated in all the supposedly science-based and "rational" Western democracies as far more serious offenses than killing or armed robbery, and why the same is true for Islamic theocracies...."
Because Western democracies are not yet free of superstition. It took hundreds of years and millions dead before we progressed that far.
The price was a bargain, and we should be prepared to continue paying it as an investment in the future. Among the wonderfully beneficial and often overlooked effects of the World Wars and of Communism was the weakening in the belief in imaginary celestial friends (due to them failing to protect believers).
The religious fanatic holdouts tend to be in countries that haven't suffered serious wars (serious wars kill millions, less is a skirmish).
"100-year wars were fought between Catholics and Protestants, but we got over it, and now we can speak of Europe, and are more prosperous than ever. "
You make my point for me. Europe took centuries of warfare to WEAKEN religion into to social club it is today. We may revile it in the streets and put crucifixes in jars of urine if we like.
Why is it not reasonable to expect the that reformation of Islam will require massive violence, prepare for that, and be comfortable with the idea that violence is the price for weakening superstition? The nice thing about religionist war is the casualties don't matter.