At least we have an opportunity to change their minds and those people have the freedom to make the choice.
If the coasts were running our country, we would be doomed. Take a look at Detroit to see a glimpse into the future of a completely Democrat-run city.
Your snide comments about the middle of the country being stupid and uneducated is exactly why Trump won. Democrats should have licked their wounds and admit their mistakes. Instead, they are doubling-down on the lies, hatred of America, and witch hunts.
I think people seem to forget that Trump brought up fake news and Russian meddling during the election. We had people on the left coming out in droves saying that this was against our democracy to say this.
Then after he wins, it's now somehow turned against him (like children that don't know how to respond when they are in trouble).
Why are we also not mentioning that many of the Russian bot accounts were posting about anti-trump, BLM, and other leftist protest events (so many liberals also fell for fake news). Intentionally leaving out facts to smear the opposition is fake news. This is why Trump won and will most likely win again in 2020.
I think both the Russians and the Chinese have both been meddling with our elections online since at least the Obama administration. Reddit had many bots posting support for him during both elections and he even spammed Facebook/used a flaw during the 2008 election that helped him win (which was closed conveniently after the election). If Trump did this, there would be blood in the streets and he would probably be sued.
The sick part is that if Hillary won, we would see business as usual. Nobody would care about Russian meddling (especially the media) and anyone that mentioned it would be laughed out of the room...like when Obama tried to say that the Russians weren't are enemy in a debate against Mitt Romney. The mainstream media is clearly biased. During Obama's 2 terms, I don't think I saw even one negative article about him on any of the mainstream news sites (besides Fox).
The leaked DNC emails also clearly showed the media bias during the election (feeding Hillary questions, dinners at her house) and that she colluded with our local press to smear Bernie Sanders and essentially destroy any chance he had at winning. If you don't see something wrong with this, you are the problem.
"that you can be killed by police for no meaningful reason"
That's a broad generalization made on many different complicated situations. There have been a few recent cases of overzealous officers, but it's definitely not the norm.
"thrown in jail for years for possession of a weed"
I keep hearing this lie when it comes to US law and weed. If you are just smoking a joint, the police will not even arrest you. The people in prison for 'possession' all had pounds of it on them, with intent to sell or multiple other offenses/existing warrants.
"have your home/possessions/money confiscated with little legal recourse"
Now, I think you are really confusing China with the US.
"arrested for standing on a sidewalk, beaten in the middle of the street for asking "why", "
I'm not even going to comment on the ridiculousness of this claim. Are we talking about China again?
How about the fact that China has the largest number of executions in the world and we only have an estimate because the actual numbers are hidden?! They revolutionized the lethal injection drugs many other countries use today because they've had many people to use as it on. Is this considered a clinical trial? It's disingenuous to compare prison populations with a country that literally kills their prisoners before they have a chance to serve any time.
"Capital punishment is a legal penalty in the People's Republic of China. It is mostly enforced for murder and drug trafficking, and executions are carried out by lethal injection or gun shooting"
So you don't go to prison for drug charges in China, you are executed. Seems pretty fair and balanced, right?
I'm still not sure why so many people in the US love China so much. If you have enough money, it's great. You could murder someone and get out of prison time by paying the right people off. It's paradise for the rich and famous. But for the average citizen, it's full government control. The majority of China is still stuck in the third-world (aside from a few major cities), mostly because of the lack of real freedoms.
Another side-effect of authoritarianism is the lack of innovation. Nearly everything propping up the Chinese economy is a knockoff of something created in another country. It's tough for someone to want to ask why? or how? when the government spends so much time teaching you that you shouldn't question authority or go beyond the status quo.
China's justice system is not even in the same Universe as a country like the US. There is literally NO justice for you, unless you are wealthy and powerful in China. In fact, we wouldn't even be having this conversation because if we were under the same Chinese government, Slashdot would be owned in part, by the government, and all dissenting thought would be banned.
I've actually lived in both the US and China, have you?
"White Americans are the racial majority, with a 77.7% share of the U.S. population. Hispanic and Latino Americans amount to 17.1% of the population, making up the largest minority. African Americans are the largest racial minority, amounting to 13.2% of the population."
So, African-americans are 13.2% of the population.
Roughly 39% that go to college, graduate (and this is out of the percentage that actually go in the first place). So it makes sense that Tech companies, no matter how racially diverse, are hiring less African-Americans. Even if 100% went to college, they would still be only a fraction of the workforce, if completely represented.
We need to get to the root of the problem instead of focus on the symptoms. Symptoms have been focused on for many years (affirmative action, etc) and it doesn't seem to be working. What needs to happen is in the home and I don't think the government can really do anything about it.
"Perhaps if companies stopped anally raping their employees without lubrication, treating them with a shred of dignity instead of potential criminals, and paid them somewhere reasonable, perhaps this feel for employees to feel like they should steal from the company as they felt the company had stolen from them would be less likely to happen."
You aren't forced to work anywhere. If you feel you are being raped by your company...leave. Most people that I hear complaining like you just don't have the balls to quit. At this point, it's as much your employer's fault as it is yours.
"What motive do scientists have to deceive us? We don't take Einstein's General Theory of Relativity with a grain of salt do we? (At least only qualified people can meaningfully criticize it if at all.)"
Because global warming research is getting funding from the government. It mean more grant money for research.
Governments around the world are using man-made global warming to charge citizens even more taxes. If this wasn't the case, and no money was involved, I might be less suspicious of these "qualified people".
"There is a big difference between copying others stuff as an aid to making a profit like the corporations the poster is talking about has done and a person copying something without the interest of making a profit off it."
Why does profit matter? It seems the open source community is not interested in making a profit. However, many become interested when someone else puts the hard work into it and makes money.
Since you don't care in the first place, how is it really hurting you if a company makes a profit? You aren't losing anything.
"This is not so much "My information shouldn't be free" but "stop using my works for profit when the license explicitly says for non-commercial use.""
which is only saying that you refuse to follow a license you don't believe in, yet expect others to follow one that you do. Because of all the pro-piracy comments that come up on a weekly basis here, it makes me happy when a company violates an open source license.
"Go play ball on your side of the court and I'll stay on mine. We can easily co-exist.. as neighbours.. but if you mess with my stuff you have to pay (with labour), as well as you force me to pay (with money) when I play with yours."
More people are getting in trouble with violating the GNU than with abusing copyrights. The reason I'm going to continue violating (and advocate it) the GPL is because of the fact that the same people that are up-in-arms about GPL violations are pro-piracy and even feel it's their right to share copyrighted materials freely.
"Either ignorant or deliberate misinterpretation. He didn't criticise the company for wanting to profit off the GPL, he criticised them for wanting to enjoy the benefit of the GPL while not wanting to fulfil their legal obligations under the same license."
Kind of like people sharing software: Enjoying the benefit of the software (using it) while not fulfilling legal obligations (paying for it).
It's funny how so many people around here are fine with sharing proprietary software yet get so angry when someone tries the equivalent with GPL software (using it in proprietary apps without giving back/re-licensing).
This is why I stopped taking the community seriously.
"Never said that. Profiting by adding to software with a GPL or GPL-like license and then trying to sell that mix of proprietary and GPLed code, directly contravening the licensing terms, is evil."
So is filesharing. Both are violating the license terms. However, only one is politically correct around here.
"Without copyright, GPL could be implemented as a contractual agreement. It would loose some of its teeth, but it could still bite."
It would have no bite. I could take GPL software and do what I want with it. You could take the binaries and share them, but I would not be obligated to give you the source.
"Because those will be their strongest supporters."
This is because software pirates don't care about illegally copying software and will support anything that will give them less of a chance of getting caught.
"The Pirate movement is using the word "pirate" specifically in an attempt to reclaim the word, which is currently used as a propaganda term by the copyright lobby in an attempt to link downloading to stealing ships, and associate it with freedom, privacy and all that other good stuff. It's all a war of words."
If I posted your credit card info on a website, should the site get taken down? After all, it's just data and information. I should have the freedom to do what I want with it.
"But if the "crimes" don't involve money, or physical goods, or (physical) personal interaction, or something else trackable in the real world, then "safely hidden" is probably the same as "free speech", "
Right, so if it doesn't meet you definition of crime, it's a-ok in your book. Since nobody here seems to care about the rights of content owners, I wonder why there is an outcry when people violate the GPL?
"Isn't the desire for privacy really a desire for freedom from some form of oppression?"
You are confusing freedom with copyright infringement.
"Have you ever seen the anime One Piece? It's a fantasized story of pirates"
Pirates have almost always been criminals that steal, rape, and pillage. Your one example of anime where they just so happened to be good doesn't justify a name change.
"Wow, less than 4000 people, go look how many people die on the road every week, or from heart disease, or even farm animal attacks in the last few decades. Then decide where we should focus our efforts."
We can't control those deaths, unless we want to control the general population even more (IE: banning bad foods, alcohol, etc).
If the government put little effort in stopping terrorist attacks, the death toll would likely be considerably higher (because groups would know they could get away with it with little consequence). A good example of this is Somalia.
'Ignorance is claiming Obama isn't an American because he's never shows his birth certificate even though Hawaii has repeatedly indicated they do not give out copies of such. They only give Certificates of Live Birth, similar to what other states do."
You mean to tell me they can't make an exception for the president? It would really put all of the questioning to rest if he showed it. It just seems strange to me that he won't.
"Their next sentence could be about the dangers of muslim theocracies"
Are you honestly trying to tell me that muslim theocracies aren't a threat? Have you seen most countries in the middle east? I'm not saying that it's an immediate threat, but it is something to watch.
"pretending that evolution is a lie that shouldn't be taught as fact"
Evolution isn't a lie. However, there isn't really a way for anyone to prove or disprove the existence of a higher power creating humans.
"pretending that a woman's body is the property of the Federal Government."
I will be fine with a woman's body being her own if the left is fine with my money being my own (2011 will be a wake up call for many people who think that Obama isn't raising any taxes) . I also don't feel that abortion should be covered under any sort of public health care (my money, my choice).
"How many Fox News viewers think Saddam was responsible for 9/11? No, both parties manipulate the truth to their benefit but one party takes it to a whole new and exciting level."
Not many. How many people think that global warming is man-made, even though there is evidence to prove otherwise? How many people believe that bush started the war to make himself rich?
It's pretty obvious that the entire point of the "study" at UofM is to somehow prove that "misinformed" (or people on the right) people are believing lies more than the truth. This line of thinking is pretty typical of elitist leftists that feel they know what is better for the rest of society.
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At least we have an opportunity to change their minds and those people have the freedom to make the choice.
If the coasts were running our country, we would be doomed. Take a look at Detroit to see a glimpse into the future of a completely Democrat-run city.
Your snide comments about the middle of the country being stupid and uneducated is exactly why Trump won. Democrats should have licked their wounds and admit their mistakes. Instead, they are doubling-down on the lies, hatred of America, and witch hunts.
I think people seem to forget that Trump brought up fake news and Russian meddling during the election. We had people on the left coming out in droves saying that this was against our democracy to say this.
Then after he wins, it's now somehow turned against him (like children that don't know how to respond when they are in trouble).
Why are we also not mentioning that many of the Russian bot accounts were posting about anti-trump, BLM, and other leftist protest events (so many liberals also fell for fake news). Intentionally leaving out facts to smear the opposition is fake news. This is why Trump won and will most likely win again in 2020.
I think both the Russians and the Chinese have both been meddling with our elections online since at least the Obama administration. Reddit had many bots posting support for him during both elections and he even spammed Facebook/used a flaw during the 2008 election that helped him win (which was closed conveniently after the election). If Trump did this, there would be blood in the streets and he would probably be sued.
The sick part is that if Hillary won, we would see business as usual. Nobody would care about Russian meddling (especially the media) and anyone that mentioned it would be laughed out of the room...like when Obama tried to say that the Russians weren't are enemy in a debate against Mitt Romney. The mainstream media is clearly biased. During Obama's 2 terms, I don't think I saw even one negative article about him on any of the mainstream news sites (besides Fox).
The leaked DNC emails also clearly showed the media bias during the election (feeding Hillary questions, dinners at her house) and that she colluded with our local press to smear Bernie Sanders and essentially destroy any chance he had at winning. If you don't see something wrong with this, you are the problem.
" They actually define junk news in the paper."
Right. Painting an entire site with the same broad brush.
"Even when sites like the Infowars happen to say something that is true, that doesn't mean the site itself isn't junk news. "
If that's the case, nearly all news sites are 'junk news'. I've seen junk articles on nearly every news site, mainstream and independent.
"that you can be killed by police for no meaningful reason"
That's a broad generalization made on many different complicated situations. There have been a few recent cases of overzealous officers, but it's definitely not the norm.
"thrown in jail for years for possession of a weed"
I keep hearing this lie when it comes to US law and weed. If you are just smoking a joint, the police will not even arrest you. The people in prison for 'possession' all had pounds of it on them, with intent to sell or multiple other offenses/existing warrants.
"have your home/possessions/money confiscated with little legal recourse"
Now, I think you are really confusing China with the US.
"arrested for standing on a sidewalk, beaten in the middle of the street for asking "why", "
I'm not even going to comment on the ridiculousness of this claim. Are we talking about China again?
How about the fact that China has the largest number of executions in the world and we only have an estimate because the actual numbers are hidden?! They revolutionized the lethal injection drugs many other countries use today because they've had many people to use as it on. Is this considered a clinical trial? It's disingenuous to compare prison populations with a country that literally kills their prisoners before they have a chance to serve any time.
More on the glorious justice system of China:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Here's something you will love:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
"Capital punishment is a legal penalty in the People's Republic of China. It is mostly enforced for murder and drug trafficking, and executions are carried out by lethal injection or gun shooting"
So you don't go to prison for drug charges in China, you are executed. Seems pretty fair and balanced, right?
I'm still not sure why so many people in the US love China so much. If you have enough money, it's great. You could murder someone and get out of prison time by paying the right people off. It's paradise for the rich and famous. But for the average citizen, it's full government control. The majority of China is still stuck in the third-world (aside from a few major cities), mostly because of the lack of real freedoms.
Another side-effect of authoritarianism is the lack of innovation. Nearly everything propping up the Chinese economy is a knockoff of something created in another country. It's tough for someone to want to ask why? or how? when the government spends so much time teaching you that you shouldn't question authority or go beyond the status quo.
China's justice system is not even in the same Universe as a country like the US. There is literally NO justice for you, unless you are wealthy and powerful in China. In fact, we wouldn't even be having this conversation because if we were under the same Chinese government, Slashdot would be owned in part, by the government, and all dissenting thought would be banned.
I've actually lived in both the US and China, have you?
Here is what I found on Wikipedia:
"White Americans are the racial majority, with a 77.7% share of the U.S. population. Hispanic and Latino Americans amount to 17.1% of the population, making up the largest minority. African Americans are the largest racial minority, amounting to 13.2% of the population."
So, African-americans are 13.2% of the population.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/fea...
Roughly 39% that go to college, graduate (and this is out of the percentage that actually go in the first place). So it makes sense that Tech companies, no matter how racially diverse, are hiring less African-Americans. Even if 100% went to college, they would still be only a fraction of the workforce, if completely represented.
We need to get to the root of the problem instead of focus on the symptoms. Symptoms have been focused on for many years (affirmative action, etc) and it doesn't seem to be working. What needs to happen is in the home and I don't think the government can really do anything about it.
http://www.politifact.com/trut...
72% of African-american children are born out of wedlock.
"Estimates for the percentage of African-American children growing up in single-parent households are slightly lower, at 67 percent"
"Perhaps if companies stopped anally raping their employees without lubrication, treating them with a shred of dignity instead of potential criminals, and paid them somewhere reasonable, perhaps this feel for employees to feel like they should steal from the company as they felt the company had stolen from them would be less likely to happen."
You aren't forced to work anywhere. If you feel you are being raped by your company...leave. Most people that I hear complaining like you just don't have the balls to quit. At this point, it's as much your employer's fault as it is yours.
"What motive do scientists have to deceive us? We don't take Einstein's General Theory of Relativity with a grain of salt do we? (At least only qualified people can meaningfully criticize it if at all.)"
Because global warming research is getting funding from the government. It mean more grant money for research.
Governments around the world are using man-made global warming to charge citizens even more taxes. If this wasn't the case, and no money was involved, I might be less suspicious of these "qualified people".
"There is a big difference between copying others stuff as an aid to making a profit like the corporations the poster is talking about has done and a person copying something without the interest of making a profit off it."
Why does profit matter? It seems the open source community is not interested in making a profit. However, many become interested when someone else puts the hard work into it and makes money.
Since you don't care in the first place, how is it really hurting you if a company makes a profit? You aren't losing anything.
"This is not so much "My information shouldn't be free" but "stop using my works for profit when the license explicitly says for non-commercial use.""
which is only saying that you refuse to follow a license you don't believe in, yet expect others to follow one that you do. Because of all the pro-piracy comments that come up on a weekly basis here, it makes me happy when a company violates an open source license.
It's giving you a taste of your own medicine.
"Go play ball on your side of the court and I'll stay on mine. We can easily co-exist.. as neighbours.. but if you mess with my stuff you have to pay (with labour), as well as you force me to pay (with money) when I play with yours."
More people are getting in trouble with violating the GNU than with abusing copyrights. The reason I'm going to continue violating (and advocate it) the GPL is because of the fact that the same people that are up-in-arms about GPL violations are pro-piracy and even feel it's their right to share copyrighted materials freely.
"In reality, without copyright, the GPL would NOT BE NEEDED."
So the goal of the GPL is to allow people to pirate software?
Without the GPL and the copyright, I would have no obligation to release the source of anything.
"Either ignorant or deliberate misinterpretation. He didn't criticise the company for wanting to profit off the GPL, he criticised them for wanting to enjoy the benefit of the GPL while not wanting to fulfil their legal obligations under the same license."
Kind of like people sharing software: Enjoying the benefit of the software (using it) while not fulfilling legal obligations (paying for it).
It's funny how so many people around here are fine with sharing proprietary software yet get so angry when someone tries the equivalent with GPL software (using it in proprietary apps without giving back/re-licensing).
This is why I stopped taking the community seriously.
"Never said that. Profiting by adding to software with a GPL or GPL-like license and then trying to sell that mix of proprietary and GPLed code, directly contravening the licensing terms, is evil."
So is filesharing. Both are violating the license terms. However, only one is politically correct around here.
"Piracy requires the threat or act of violence to capture ships, cargo or hostages at sea. But it isn't going to happen."
Words change over time. Deal with it.
"Without copyright, GPL could be implemented as a contractual agreement. It would loose some of its teeth, but it could still bite."
It would have no bite. I could take GPL software and do what I want with it. You could take the binaries and share them, but I would not be obligated to give you the source.
"Because those will be their strongest supporters."
This is because software pirates don't care about illegally copying software and will support anything that will give them less of a chance of getting caught.
This is why I can't take the movement seriously.
"The Pirate movement is using the word "pirate" specifically in an attempt to reclaim the word, which is currently used as a propaganda term by the copyright lobby in an attempt to link downloading to stealing ships, and associate it with freedom, privacy and all that other good stuff. It's all a war of words."
If I posted your credit card info on a website, should the site get taken down? After all, it's just data and information. I should have the freedom to do what I want with it.
"But if the "crimes" don't involve money, or physical goods, or (physical) personal interaction, or something else trackable in the real world, then "safely hidden" is probably the same as "free speech", "
Right, so if it doesn't meet you definition of crime, it's a-ok in your book. Since nobody here seems to care about the rights of content owners, I wonder why there is an outcry when people violate the GPL?
"Isn't the desire for privacy really a desire for freedom from some form of oppression?"
You are confusing freedom with copyright infringement.
"Have you ever seen the anime One Piece? It's a fantasized story of pirates"
Pirates have almost always been criminals that steal, rape, and pillage. Your one example of anime where they just so happened to be good doesn't justify a name change.
"Why associate the creation of ISPs that protect your privacy with piracy? "
Because their intent is to allow people to pirate digital goods. Privacy is just the excuse.
"Wow, less than 4000 people, go look how many people die on the road every week, or from heart disease, or even farm animal attacks in the last few decades. Then decide where we should focus our efforts."
We can't control those deaths, unless we want to control the general population even more (IE: banning bad foods, alcohol, etc).
If the government put little effort in stopping terrorist attacks, the death toll would likely be considerably higher (because groups would know they could get away with it with little consequence). A good example of this is Somalia.
'Ignorance is claiming Obama isn't an American because he's never shows his birth certificate even though Hawaii has repeatedly indicated they do not give out copies of such. They only give Certificates of Live Birth, similar to what other states do."
You mean to tell me they can't make an exception for the president? It would really put all of the questioning to rest if he showed it. It just seems strange to me that he won't.
"Their next sentence could be about the dangers of muslim theocracies"
Are you honestly trying to tell me that muslim theocracies aren't a threat? Have you seen most countries in the middle east? I'm not saying that it's an immediate threat, but it is something to watch.
"pretending that evolution is a lie that shouldn't be taught as fact"
Evolution isn't a lie. However, there isn't really a way for anyone to prove or disprove the existence of a higher power creating humans.
"pretending that a woman's body is the property of the Federal Government."
I will be fine with a woman's body being her own if the left is fine with my money being my own (2011 will be a wake up call for many people who think that Obama isn't raising any taxes) . I also don't feel that abortion should be covered under any sort of public health care (my money, my choice).
"How many Fox News viewers think Saddam was responsible for 9/11? No, both parties manipulate the truth to their benefit but one party takes it to a whole new and exciting level."
Not many. How many people think that global warming is man-made, even though there is evidence to prove otherwise? How many people believe that bush started the war to make himself rich?
It's pretty obvious that the entire point of the "study" at UofM is to somehow prove that "misinformed" (or people on the right) people are believing lies more than the truth. This line of thinking is pretty typical of elitist leftists that feel they know what is better for the rest of society.
"There are 170,000 prisoners in California."
Ok, so the answer is to just let the criminals go? What a great answer to the deficit problem.
It looks like California's prisoners get medical and dental care. Why don't we cut the cost of those and some other benefits first?
"Leep jail for the really bad crooks - not the idiots that decided to smoke the wrong substance - those guys need education/rehabilitation, not jail."
One has to wonder the cost of "Educating" those prisoners as opposed to keeping them in Jail.