I want that, please. Normally, you're working with a number of projects during a week, or aspects of various projects. You don't necessary want to open up the same files you opened recently, but rather other files in those folders, or make new ones in those folders.
(Don't say "just code it yourself". Since opensource doesn't have testing labs like Microsoft, one of the most valuable things users can do is give their feedback.)
Well, I do have mod points, but I preferred to post in this thread.
As usual, many./'ers are taking the legalistic approach of noting that Mark Shuttleworth can switch the commission system in Banshee. But that kind of comment is hardly useful. Of course, he can switch the commission system.
The more interesting question is: ought he?
Consider: You take a piece of code, given freely, with only the compensation being to give a commission to a separate open source project (GNOME), and you switch it to give the money to yourself. Real classy.
As far as the cries of, "It's not just a music player, it's a whole distro that Ubuntu is putting out": There's no way Ubuntu would have been able to release distros without the Ubuntu community.
Continue to piss them off, and they'll leave for some other pasture.
Oh, and, if, legally, Mark $huttleworth can switch the money mechanism in Banshee, then the community can also, legally, criticize him for it.
Finally, is there something that all the paid Ubuntu staff are doing other than coming up with lame purple-wallpaper imitations of Mac? It would have been totally fine for Ubuntu to create (even contribute to) an innovative media player, and take the funding for itself.
Yeah, well, we needed a win after the huge loss of Nokia to the dark side, which is still getting hundreds of comments per story within a short time after being posted.
-Hosni Mubarak promised a full investigation to find out who ordered the use of excessive force -Wall St. firms were cleared of any wrongdoing in the financial bust by SEC/TREAS Timothy Geithner -Google announces the Wifi data logs, SSN numbers, etc., were all just innocent mistakes -MS announces itself cleared of all charges of manipulating the ISO process
If the people you've given Ubuntu to love it, by definition wouldn't necessarily love all the changes Mark is making in the UI (Unity netbook interface on a desktop). They may, they may not, but they won't love it just because it's called "Ubuntu".
After all, if they want something that Just Works, they don't have any desire for tinkering and changing things for the sake of it. As Mark is currently doing.
Your other points are great. Ubuntu used to be a great distro for normal people.
>After all, if the masses started using Linux then all the die hards would have to go somewhere else to feel superior.
Well, maybe for some people, but I think it was great for both noobs and old hands who Just Want Things to Work.
The decrease in love recently seems more related to Mark Shuttleworth's recent moves to turn Ubuntu into Mac. He says he wants to create a new way, better than both Win and Mac, but it's seems more and more just a Mac clone with some arbitrary differences.
Throwing away Xorg in favor of Wayland for dubious benefits. Unity shell (OK for netbooks) on desktops too. Global menus (at the top of the monitor). Yeah, that's great for total noobs. On a 24-inch monitor (increasingly standard), the menu to perform commands on a window sitting in the lower right corner is way at the top left of the monitor.
The Mac obsession even extends down to the ugly purple wallpaper. Weird.
>Seriously, I cannot fathom why people are so hung up on this.
Let me give it a try.
It was a combination of a couple of things.
1. The "my way or the highway" attitude. 2. Making the change right before the last freezes with no opportunity for community comment. Annoys people and makes them think what they thought was about "us" is actually about "me" (Shuttleworth). 3. Yeah, so you'll say it's free. True. Mark has the legal right to make the change. And people have the legal right to speak their mind. 4. Lame, mutually contradictory excuses from Mark like "The left side is closer to where the mouse is" and "I was thinking of doing something on the right side for the next release". If the mouse is always on the left side, why put stuff on the right? 5. So did he do something on the right in the next release? No. 6. Cramming everything into the left side is hardly a win for usability. It's different on the Mac because they don't have the menu in the app window. 7. The huge blank area on the right is supposed to be a big "easy to grab" area for noobs to drag an app window. The problem is some apps (like gedit) work like that. Others in the default install (Firefox) don't. For the latter, you have to drag starting from the actual "titlebar" area, which you can't distinguish because it's the same color as the menubar. Try explaining that to your mom. (The sheer insanity of the titlebar that is there, but you're supposed to know it's there should be apparent to normal people, always a check on the designs of geeks.) 8. Oh, but you say, instead of dragging, you can select Move from the window control menu in the lefthand corner? Mark, in his wisdom, dropped that menu to make space for cramming the close/max/min buttons on the left. On Linux it reduced a crucial aspect of discoverability and function (moving a window to a specific workspace with the keyboard).
The above problems could have been hashed out in the normal collaboration process. But Mark didn't do that, choosing to make the change unilaterally at the last moment.
That's why people are upset. And Wayland/Unity further confirm the attitude.
Did you catch the discussion on./ a few months back re: (I think it was) Fedora? They (or some group associated with them) are advocating against sudo as a security risk. I.e., it allows people to break into a normal user account and become root.
The strange thing is, you've got some practices that are touted as "best practice" while at the same time being castigated as a security risk. So what are normal people (as normal as geeks can be) to do?
For my part, I always try to do everything possible as non-root:
Need to look up a command with man? non-root terminal. Use root when you have the syntax right. Finding some config or library file with find, locate, or ls? non-root Just reading a config file out of etc? less as non-root. Use vim as root when you're ready to modify. "aptitude show" or "yum info" can be done as non-root. I only use root for "aptitude install" or "yum install" Same for "service status" as non-root. "service start" as root.
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Professional athlete unions don't limit the pay of athletes, do they?
too ...
(emerge is still running)
Win7 has a list of recently used folders?
Gnome devs, are you listening?
I want that, please. Normally, you're working with a number of projects during a week, or aspects of various projects. You don't necessary want to open up the same files you opened recently, but rather other files in those folders, or make new ones in those folders.
(Don't say "just code it yourself". Since opensource doesn't have testing labs like Microsoft, one of the most valuable things users can do is give their feedback.)
Well, I do have mod points, but I preferred to post in this thread.
As usual, many ./'ers are taking the legalistic approach of noting that Mark Shuttleworth can switch the commission system in Banshee. But that kind of comment is hardly useful. Of course, he can switch the commission system.
The more interesting question is: ought he?
Consider: You take a piece of code, given freely, with only the compensation being to give a commission to a separate open source project (GNOME), and you switch it to give the money to yourself. Real classy.
As far as the cries of, "It's not just a music player, it's a whole distro that Ubuntu is putting out": There's no way Ubuntu would have been able to release distros without the Ubuntu community.
Continue to piss them off, and they'll leave for some other pasture.
Oh, and, if, legally, Mark $huttleworth can switch the money mechanism in Banshee, then the community can also, legally, criticize him for it.
Finally, is there something that all the paid Ubuntu staff are doing other than coming up with lame purple-wallpaper imitations of Mac? It would have been totally fine for Ubuntu to create (even contribute to) an innovative media player, and take the funding for itself.
Yeah, I was with Red Hat until they messed up the transition from Red Hat Linux to RHell (Red Hat Enterprise Linux).
On the one hand you have the hell of years old versions of the enterprise version, and on the other the (perceived) instability of Fedora.
I thought Fedora was explicitly a testing vehicle. Has it been stable for you?
M$ now stands for Mark Shuttleworth.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
With all the recent disclosures, does that apply anymore for anyone other that a naif?
Would you believe a plan to destroy a journalist's career simply because he supports Wikileaks? All just stupidity? The emails say otherwise.
Yeah, well, we needed a win after the huge loss of Nokia to the dark side, which is still getting hundreds of comments per story within a short time after being posted.
Is that the new code for "let me be totally inscrutable"?
Obama starts off his weasel worded sentences in the same way.
And it's both sides of the aisle. David Cameron (UK PM) does the same thing.
-Hosni Mubarak promised a full investigation to find out who ordered the use of excessive force
-Wall St. firms were cleared of any wrongdoing in the financial bust by SEC/TREAS Timothy Geithner
-Google announces the Wifi data logs, SSN numbers, etc., were all just innocent mistakes
-MS announces itself cleared of all charges of manipulating the ISO process
the Year of HURD Desktop is near?
Speaking of benchmarks, is UnixBench useful for 'nix benchmarking?
Are there any others that are better?
shutdown -P now
M$ ^H^H Google Certified Profiessional
Lesson: governments and corps never give up power unless forced to.
If they had their way, each citizen would be assigned a "minder" in addition to electronic ankle bracelets and GPS.
Well, that was before.
If the people you've given Ubuntu to love it, by definition wouldn't necessarily love all the changes Mark is making in the UI (Unity netbook interface on a desktop). They may, they may not, but they won't love it just because it's called "Ubuntu".
After all, if they want something that Just Works, they don't have any desire for tinkering and changing things for the sake of it. As Mark is currently doing.
Your other points are great. Ubuntu used to be a great distro for normal people.
>After all, if the masses started using Linux then all the die hards would have to go somewhere else to feel superior.
Well, maybe for some people, but I think it was great for both noobs and old hands who Just Want Things to Work.
The decrease in love recently seems more related to Mark Shuttleworth's recent moves to turn Ubuntu into Mac. He says he wants to create a new way, better than both Win and Mac, but it's seems more and more just a Mac clone with some arbitrary differences.
Throwing away Xorg in favor of Wayland for dubious benefits.
Unity shell (OK for netbooks) on desktops too.
Global menus (at the top of the monitor). Yeah, that's great for total noobs. On a 24-inch monitor (increasingly standard), the menu to perform commands on a window sitting in the lower right corner is way at the top left of the monitor.
The Mac obsession even extends down to the ugly purple wallpaper. Weird.
>Seriously, I cannot fathom why people are so hung up on this.
Let me give it a try.
It was a combination of a couple of things.
1. The "my way or the highway" attitude.
2. Making the change right before the last freezes with no opportunity for community comment. Annoys people and makes them think what they thought was about "us" is actually about "me" (Shuttleworth).
3. Yeah, so you'll say it's free. True. Mark has the legal right to make the change. And people have the legal right to speak their mind.
4. Lame, mutually contradictory excuses from Mark like "The left side is closer to where the mouse is" and "I was thinking of doing something on the right side for the next release". If the mouse is always on the left side, why put stuff on the right?
5. So did he do something on the right in the next release? No.
6. Cramming everything into the left side is hardly a win for usability. It's different on the Mac because they don't have the menu in the app window.
7. The huge blank area on the right is supposed to be a big "easy to grab" area for noobs to drag an app window. The problem is some apps (like gedit) work like that. Others in the default install (Firefox) don't. For the latter, you have to drag starting from the actual "titlebar" area, which you can't distinguish because it's the same color as the menubar. Try explaining that to your mom. (The sheer insanity of the titlebar that is there, but you're supposed to know it's there should be apparent to normal people, always a check on the designs of geeks.)
8. Oh, but you say, instead of dragging, you can select Move from the window control menu in the lefthand corner? Mark, in his wisdom, dropped that menu to make space for cramming the close/max/min buttons on the left. On Linux it reduced a crucial aspect of discoverability and function (moving a window to a specific workspace with the keyboard).
The above problems could have been hashed out in the normal collaboration process. But Mark didn't do that, choosing to make the change unilaterally at the last moment.
That's why people are upset. And Wayland/Unity further confirm the attitude.
Nokia, you're next.
I am Isaac Oneil, you insensitive clod!
That single reason is why some geeks are fond of Google as opposed to Microsoft.
ping microsoft.com
100% packet loss.
Google (and Yahoo), on the other hand, have their servers configured correctly. They "get" it.
Did you catch the discussion on ./ a few months back re: (I think it was) Fedora? They (or some group associated with them) are advocating against sudo as a security risk. I.e., it allows people to break into a normal user account and become root.
The strange thing is, you've got some practices that are touted as "best practice" while at the same time being castigated as a security risk. So what are normal people (as normal as geeks can be) to do?
For my part, I always try to do everything possible as non-root:
Need to look up a command with man? non-root terminal. Use root when you have the syntax right.
Finding some config or library file with find, locate, or ls? non-root
Just reading a config file out of etc? less as non-root. Use vim as root when you're ready to modify.
"aptitude show" or "yum info" can be done as non-root. I only use root for "aptitude install" or "yum install"
Same for "service status" as non-root. "service start" as root.
Would you care to post a link to a good guide to sysadmin for the professional developers yet amateur administrators here?
>Shakespear was published under a regime of perpetual copyright.
Well, I'm no expert, but this guy from Duke says Shakespeare was written before the "Statute of Anne" or any other copyright law:
http://library.duke.edu/blogs/scholcomm/2011/02/18/shakespeare-and-copyright/