Would someone from Italy like to explain why you voted this authoritarian cunt into the EU. Go on! I'd love to hear it!
Wouldnt know about the italian angle, but as a dutch guy, one of the reasons to vote for someone to get into the EU stuff is to get him out of local politics, perhaps the italians were just fed up with this idiot so much they decided to "promote him away"
He said mercury SUBORBITAL missions, AKA the redstone powered flight made by alan sheppard. Sheppard hit apogee at 168 KM altitude, SS2 will hit 110, granted it is only two thirs of the way there, but zero-g time is bound to be somewhere in the same ballpark, not to mention sheppard flew a one man capsule, and SS2 can take more people then the shuttle.
I do get it, in both cases, the CPU is limited by the external video card in the benches, producing near equal results, in two games the GPU is held back by the A8 3850 more then by the 1100T, producing better numbers for the Thuban, the onboard GPU for the A8 is irrelevant.
And yes, the hybrid crossfire idea is nice, and might be an interesting value for budget gaming, but in terms of pure CPU performance Llano has nothing on deneb/thuban. Sure Llano has its niche, and might be an interesting cpu in certain cases, but stop trying to say its a better performing chip then thuban, when it simply isnt
Those bench numbers look rather GPU limited, and in the cases where they arent GPU limited on both cpu's, the 1100T leads by 25-30%, which is somewhat in line with what i would expect in terms of single core performance, seeing how most games wont effectively utilise the two extra cores the 1100T has over the A8.
You are basically saying "see, the A8 is nearly as good as a 1100T in scenarios in which the CPU isnt the decisive factor". Also, if you are going to use a dedicated GPU, you would be better off with an Athlon II x4 640, which runs at a higher clock and doesnt waste diespace/power/money on an unused onboard GPU.
very ironic indeed, it is very sad to see AMD gamble the good old netburst-play and then foul it up (as is to be expected really). Even if they had the process-control which intel enjoyes, building something a tad inefficient and praying for the clocks to compensate is just stupid.
It also reminds me of the original Phenom, AMD overreached themselves on features, didnt provide solid IPC improvements (although for Phenom, there actually was some improvement over K8), and then fumble the clock speed so as to make an uncompetitive product. I just hope they can recover from this with a second Phenom II, sadly though, i dont see a new die-shrink comming anytime soon
and how are game benches of the integrated GPU of Llano relevant to the comparison of the Llano cpu to the deneb/thuban cores?
Yes, if you want a budget machine which can also run a few games decently, Llano is a cheaper route then deneb/thuban, if however you want cpu performance, Llano is about as irrelevant as they come
Two sticks isnt a requirement for modern cpu's, and as far as i know, there are no timing boosts to be had (but then again, i've been out of the game for a few years). The benefit is that with a dual channel setup, you get twice as much memory bandwidth, and in modern systems under certain use cases that is a genuine bottleneck. Some benchmarks show 10% performance increase going from ddr 1333 to 1600, now imagine the impact of not adding 25%, but 100% bandwidth.
What? i'd like to know how a A8 3850 (which is basically a 2.9 GHz athlon II X2, better known as a l3-less PII) can keep up with a 1075T.
Sure, for general browsing/wordprocessing the A8 is more then sufficient, but once you get into stuff you would actually need a quad-core for, the PII chips are superior.
Yes, if you are building a new surfer-box for mom, by all means get a A6/A8, but if you do any gaming/encoding stuff, the few extra tenners for a PII x4/x6 pay off. I agree with the intel i5 2400 recommendation, but i'm looking at this from the perspective of having a fully functional AM2+ mobo with 8 GB of ram which i might want to plop a new cpu into, currently the 1090T looks like the winner.
i've only seen the 8150, no other chips out there yet.
My main comparison point is the x6, since i'm looking at upgrading from a x4 940, so far it looks like the 8150 has serious trouble beating the x6 1100T in anything but the heaviest threading and a few x264 encoding benches. So it looks like i'll pick a 1090T for 100 bucks less then the 8150.
Bulldozer might be interesting from an architectural standpoint, but to me it looks like they gimped the execution hardware and tried to make up for that with rather massive L2 caches and subsequently Global foundries fumbled the ball on the production, meaning Bulldozer isnt hitting the clock speeds needed for being competitive.
I'm sort of hoping for AMDs sakes that this will turn out like the original phenom, it was inovative and all, but failed to hit clockspeeds and ran hot, then AMD did a major refactor of that chip and shrunk it to 45nm and suddenly Phenom II turned out quite well.
This sob-story was posted on redit a few weeks back, it is nice that her family is trying to get that stroke victim back, but the truth is that flying out to the south pole isnt exactly easy, and once a stroke victim is stabilized, there isnt much to do after the first 24 hours.
I'd be more upset if they risked a three man flight crew in dangerous conditions then if this woman has to wait a few more months
Have you learned nothing from how chinese immigrants behave in other countries? Now the guys up in the ISS finally can have cheap take-out and dry-cleaning!
That's what i get for trying to be slightly funny in a trekkie thread, not a single +1 funny, but several people tripping over themselves to bitch about how the trek-reboot isnt canon and has all sorts of minor inconsistencies with TOS
well he got stranded on some icey outpost because he was only the stepchield of the deputy of the temporary night shift engineer of the local shuttle service shop, but then he beamed himself into the primary coolant loop of a starship travelling at warp speed, after some vulcan from the future give him the magic instructions, which is how he got the job.
i've seen my share of TOS, but shatner completely lost any respect i had for him with all the shitty sit-coms he's doing. I wasnt a fan of him in third rock from the sun, but i watched him in "shit my dad says" last week, and the guy just cant act...
if you are open to custom building yourself, you can dispense with the optical drive and other crap you dont need (pick smaller drives if storage isnt a concern etc.. avoid windows tax, how ever small it may be on a 250 quid box) and dump that into stronger hardware
Late last year we had a crunch-intensive problem at work, and the internal IT department wouldnt even give us a price quote, just said they could do it (a problem which required six octo-core xeon machines, in a world wide company with 90k in people, go figure), so i drafted a small proposal saying i could build ten hex-core AMD boxes with 4 GB ram each for 5k in euros. Off course it wasnt take seriously, because it wasnt enterprise, but there you go, custom bare bones build with a beefy cpu
I've read you referring to yourself like that before in this discussion, and after seeing it yet again, i can only think that you, a person living 160 km from the site, who apparently is too paranoid to put any stock into 20 km exclusion zone (or the 30km voluntary evacuation zone), coupled with the fact that radiation decreases exponentially as distance goes up, referring to yourself as a "Fukushima refugee" is almost and insult to people who actually used to live in the exclusion zone.
It makes about as much sense as me calling myself a london riots refugee, never mind the fact there is a flippin sea between me and those pikes*.
*not calling londonners pikes by the way, just the willfully enumployed, "check out the bag of basmati rice i looted, gunna get some sneakaz tomorra!" scum.
i would hardly call shutting down ~30% of existing nuclear plants, and taking the rest down within a few years, reverting mostly back to coal a reasonable reaction. Never mind the fact that fukushima was triggered by a massive earthquake (which are known to happen in japan), while Germany is generally a geologicaly stable region.
Considering that this is Japan we're talking about, slightly larger than the average american lavatory.
Also, Idou, you keep spewing the "why dont you invest in real estate" crap around, and i decided to compile a short list: - I am not a japanse national, nor do i live within 12 hours flight of japan, i assume there are japanese laws preventing foreign nationals buying up real estate, given their tendency for xenofobia (not slamming the japanese, just stating a fact) - no matter how "cheap" the real estate is around there, i do not have a significant amount of money to invest in long term investments - I am not an investor, nor do i consider myself the type of person to engage in financial speculation, i prefer to be as risk averse with my money as possible.
As for you friend with his appartment, boo-hoo, my mother has been trying to sell her house for three years now, and she hardly gets any viewers, also notice that this is several thousands of kilometers away from both fukushima and chernobyl, it is called economic crisis.
Personally i wouldnt have any problems living 160km away from fukushima, ask me for it though, and i will compile a list of why i am not moving to japan to buy your buddies appartment.
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Would someone from Italy like to explain why you voted this authoritarian cunt into the EU. Go on! I'd love to hear it!
Wouldnt know about the italian angle, but as a dutch guy, one of the reasons to vote for someone to get into the EU stuff is to get him out of local politics, perhaps the italians were just fed up with this idiot so much they decided to "promote him away"
Also, fuck that guy.
He said mercury SUBORBITAL missions, AKA the redstone powered flight made by alan sheppard. Sheppard hit apogee at 168 KM altitude, SS2 will hit 110, granted it is only two thirs of the way there, but zero-g time is bound to be somewhere in the same ballpark, not to mention sheppard flew a one man capsule, and SS2 can take more people then the shuttle.
I do get it, in both cases, the CPU is limited by the external video card in the benches, producing near equal results, in two games the GPU is held back by the A8 3850 more then by the 1100T, producing better numbers for the Thuban, the onboard GPU for the A8 is irrelevant.
And yes, the hybrid crossfire idea is nice, and might be an interesting value for budget gaming, but in terms of pure CPU performance Llano has nothing on deneb/thuban. Sure Llano has its niche, and might be an interesting cpu in certain cases, but stop trying to say its a better performing chip then thuban, when it simply isnt
Those bench numbers look rather GPU limited, and in the cases where they arent GPU limited on both cpu's, the 1100T leads by 25-30%, which is somewhat in line with what i would expect in terms of single core performance, seeing how most games wont effectively utilise the two extra cores the 1100T has over the A8.
You are basically saying "see, the A8 is nearly as good as a 1100T in scenarios in which the CPU isnt the decisive factor". Also, if you are going to use a dedicated GPU, you would be better off with an Athlon II x4 640, which runs at a higher clock and doesnt waste diespace/power/money on an unused onboard GPU.
very ironic indeed, it is very sad to see AMD gamble the good old netburst-play and then foul it up (as is to be expected really). Even if they had the process-control which intel enjoyes, building something a tad inefficient and praying for the clocks to compensate is just stupid.
It also reminds me of the original Phenom, AMD overreached themselves on features, didnt provide solid IPC improvements (although for Phenom, there actually was some improvement over K8), and then fumble the clock speed so as to make an uncompetitive product. I just hope they can recover from this with a second Phenom II, sadly though, i dont see a new die-shrink comming anytime soon
and how are game benches of the integrated GPU of Llano relevant to the comparison of the Llano cpu to the deneb/thuban cores?
Yes, if you want a budget machine which can also run a few games decently, Llano is a cheaper route then deneb/thuban, if however you want cpu performance, Llano is about as irrelevant as they come
Two sticks isnt a requirement for modern cpu's, and as far as i know, there are no timing boosts to be had (but then again, i've been out of the game for a few years). The benefit is that with a dual channel setup, you get twice as much memory bandwidth, and in modern systems under certain use cases that is a genuine bottleneck. Some benchmarks show 10% performance increase going from ddr 1333 to 1600, now imagine the impact of not adding 25%, but 100% bandwidth.
What? i'd like to know how a A8 3850 (which is basically a 2.9 GHz athlon II X2, better known as a l3-less PII) can keep up with a 1075T.
Sure, for general browsing/wordprocessing the A8 is more then sufficient, but once you get into stuff you would actually need a quad-core for, the PII chips are superior.
Yes, if you are building a new surfer-box for mom, by all means get a A6/A8, but if you do any gaming/encoding stuff, the few extra tenners for a PII x4/x6 pay off. I agree with the intel i5 2400 recommendation, but i'm looking at this from the perspective of having a fully functional AM2+ mobo with 8 GB of ram which i might want to plop a new cpu into, currently the 1090T looks like the winner.
i'm pretty sure the 300W figure there is for the full test rig, not the chip itself, just to somewhat blunt that shock.
I agree though, bulldozer isnt pretty and the analogy of the P3-P4 intel phase is striking.
i've only seen the 8150, no other chips out there yet.
My main comparison point is the x6, since i'm looking at upgrading from a x4 940, so far it looks like the 8150 has serious trouble beating the x6 1100T in anything but the heaviest threading and a few x264 encoding benches. So it looks like i'll pick a 1090T for 100 bucks less then the 8150.
Bulldozer might be interesting from an architectural standpoint, but to me it looks like they gimped the execution hardware and tried to make up for that with rather massive L2 caches and subsequently Global foundries fumbled the ball on the production, meaning Bulldozer isnt hitting the clock speeds needed for being competitive.
I'm sort of hoping for AMDs sakes that this will turn out like the original phenom, it was inovative and all, but failed to hit clockspeeds and ran hot, then AMD did a major refactor of that chip and shrunk it to 45nm and suddenly Phenom II turned out quite well.
This sob-story was posted on redit a few weeks back, it is nice that her family is trying to get that stroke victim back, but the truth is that flying out to the south pole isnt exactly easy, and once a stroke victim is stabilized, there isnt much to do after the first 24 hours.
I'd be more upset if they risked a three man flight crew in dangerous conditions then if this woman has to wait a few more months
Have you learned nothing from how chinese immigrants behave in other countries? Now the guys up in the ISS finally can have cheap take-out and dry-cleaning!
If you are only using 4-8 cores at a time, you are clearly not the target audience for these chips.
That's what i get for trying to be slightly funny in a trekkie thread, not a single +1 funny, but several people tripping over themselves to bitch about how the trek-reboot isnt canon and has all sorts of minor inconsistencies with TOS
oh true, i can appreciate him as Kirk, but i cant for the life of me understand why we should care what he has to say about ST vs SW
well he got stranded on some icey outpost because he was only the stepchield of the deputy of the temporary night shift engineer of the local shuttle service shop, but then he beamed himself into the primary coolant loop of a starship travelling at warp speed, after some vulcan from the future give him the magic instructions, which is how he got the job.
Stargate SG-1 and Firefly are about the only sci-fi series I'd consider better than any of the Star Treks (pre Enterprise anyway, I didn't see that).
Forget about enterprise, and watch battlestar galatica, for FSMs sake!
i've seen my share of TOS, but shatner completely lost any respect i had for him with all the shitty sit-coms he's doing. I wasnt a fan of him in third rock from the sun, but i watched him in "shit my dad says" last week, and the guy just cant act...
Spock vs Obi Wan would be an interesting matchup.
Vulcan nerve pinch Vs force powers + lightsaber? You can guess where my money is.
And i havent seen a car company remove more and more features on a model during its lifespan
"oh, you have a '11 focus, yeah, ford removed the power windows and stereo by then, but you do get a bigger boot!"
if you are open to custom building yourself, you can dispense with the optical drive and other crap you dont need (pick smaller drives if storage isnt a concern etc.. avoid windows tax, how ever small it may be on a 250 quid box) and dump that into stronger hardware
Late last year we had a crunch-intensive problem at work, and the internal IT department wouldnt even give us a price quote, just said they could do it (a problem which required six octo-core xeon machines, in a world wide company with 90k in people, go figure), so i drafted a small proposal saying i could build ten hex-core AMD boxes with 4 GB ram each for 5k in euros. Off course it wasnt take seriously, because it wasnt enterprise, but there you go, custom bare bones build with a beefy cpu
i fully agree with you, right up to
a modern CPU, which is orders of magnitude faster than a P4 at that speed
Yes, a core i7 has much better performance per clock-tick then a P4, but not orders of magnitude (which implies at the very least 100x)
my own Fukushima refugee ass.
I've read you referring to yourself like that before in this discussion, and after seeing it yet again, i can only think that you, a person living 160 km from the site, who apparently is too paranoid to put any stock into 20 km exclusion zone (or the 30km voluntary evacuation zone), coupled with the fact that radiation decreases exponentially as distance goes up, referring to yourself as a "Fukushima refugee" is almost and insult to people who actually used to live in the exclusion zone.
It makes about as much sense as me calling myself a london riots refugee, never mind the fact there is a flippin sea between me and those pikes*.
*not calling londonners pikes by the way, just the willfully enumployed, "check out the bag of basmati rice i looted, gunna get some sneakaz tomorra!" scum.
Germany ..... reasonable oversight.
i would hardly call shutting down ~30% of existing nuclear plants, and taking the rest down within a few years, reverting mostly back to coal a reasonable reaction. Never mind the fact that fukushima was triggered by a massive earthquake (which are known to happen in japan), while Germany is generally a geologicaly stable region.
Oh, and how big is it?
Considering that this is Japan we're talking about, slightly larger than the average american lavatory.
Also, Idou, you keep spewing the "why dont you invest in real estate" crap around, and i decided to compile a short list:
- I am not a japanse national, nor do i live within 12 hours flight of japan, i assume there are japanese laws preventing foreign nationals buying up real estate, given their tendency for xenofobia (not slamming the japanese, just stating a fact)
- no matter how "cheap" the real estate is around there, i do not have a significant amount of money to invest in long term investments
- I am not an investor, nor do i consider myself the type of person to engage in financial speculation, i prefer to be as risk averse with my money as possible.
As for you friend with his appartment, boo-hoo, my mother has been trying to sell her house for three years now, and she hardly gets any viewers, also notice that this is several thousands of kilometers away from both fukushima and chernobyl, it is called economic crisis.
Personally i wouldnt have any problems living 160km away from fukushima, ask me for it though, and i will compile a list of why i am not moving to japan to buy your buddies appartment.