Yeah, i do develop for a living, but not anywhere near the same realm as apple's i-gizmo's, so it isnt all that relevant.
I got the Vodafone 845 Nova, also sold as the huawei 8120 i think. It is a fairly simplistic device, 320*240, resistive touchscreen, only 128 mb of ram, but it comes with android 2.1, and works quite nicely, it really is a nice try-out phone for android curious people, even if the hardware itself is rather limiting
True... if you don't count the Mac Mini, the $999 MacBook, any number of refurbs, and the MacBook Pro or iMac (the latter two are over $1000, but not WELL over a thousand). But otherwise, yes, you can't buy a Mac for a grand.
In that grand i also count buying an actual ipad, since i think any pc based emulator would be a pretty poor way to test if a multi-touch screen app actually works. I dont have an ipad yet, and i dont really need one, so a large part of the cost would come onto the account of having a platform to play around with
So you bought a phone running an almost latest release of the OS. PS: Can it video chat with a front facing camera? Is it's screen resolution iPhone busting? Does it come with 16 or 32 gb of memory standard, and a way to use all of that memory for app storage? I have a Droid for work. It hasn't convinced me that Apple is "way behind the curve".
No, i didnt mean the Hardware of my little $99 android phone is that amazing, the software is. Android 2.1 on a small resistive 320*240 to me is a more likeable experience then IOS 4 on my ipod touch. If your droid doesnt convince you, then apparently your expectations from a smartphone are simple enough to be satisfied by an iphone, be happy with it.
The iPod Touch costs more than other 8gb mp3 players? Sure it does. Perhaps you meant to buy a Nano for $50 less, or a Shuffle. Or did you also want apps, videos, games, movies, photos, multitasking? How can you compare an iPod Touch to any random MP3 player? Yeah, there are 8gb players for under a hundred bucks. They really are a different type of product.
My point was exactly that, the ipod touch adds more then enough feature wise to be worth the extra cost over any old 8gb player, which is why i find that the ipod touch is the only non-overpriced item in apple's lineup
Can I develop software using the iPad as a platform? Nope - not easily.
Yes, you can. Maybe not compiled stuff, but writing javascript stuff works, and plenty of nice quick programs I've written through the years were web-based. You can also SSH into your LAMP server or RDP into your IIS server, and use vi/notepad there, but that's sorta like cheating.
i actually tried that, made a small webpage with some JS and a textarea to write JS in. Honestly, i dont see how anyone would make anything non-trivial with that, it just isnt up to the standards of even the most basic dev environment, and JS is also rather limited in its uses.
As for SSH-ing into a linux machine and using Vi, you must be kidding right?
Plus, it's only $500 or so. It's a pretty nice piece of technology for that much money. Lots of programmers (including me) love programming and this is a very interesting platform.
How so? in order to dev for the ipad in any convincing way, i have to spend well over a thousand bucks (need something that runs OS-X). Then i have to hope that whatever i write in terms of apps catches on (and only a small percentage do), if i want to recoup my costs to some degree.
Instead, yesterday i bought a pre-paid android phone for 100 euros (running android 2.1 no less). Now for just that cost, i can go and dev and play around with a nifty little android device, which in a few hours already has me convinced that apple is way behind the curve in phone-land.
At 500, the ipad is overpriced, as nearly all apple stuff is (the only thing i dont find completely ridiculous in terms of price is the ipod touch, its more expensive then other 8gb mp3 players, but offers loads more functionality)
if you've ever been on the autobahn, you know the on-ramps are ridiculously short in some places (annoyed the hell out of me). Now i wasnt driving a 500hp V8 at the time, but i would have loved the extra torque from two serious electric motors to help me accelerate
Sure, if 99% of your traveltime is spent at 100+ mph on the autobahn, this might not be your most efficient vehicle, but who buys a porce for efficiency?
My point is that your cellphone is rather likely to be not out in the cold. if you phone is in the inner pocket of your coat, it will never be -30, even if outside your coat it is, same goes for your trousers etc..
if a car does 200 miles at 50mph, needing 30kW to sustain that speed, how does that not make the total energy needed 120 kW/h? charging 90% of that energy in 5 minutes would need ~1.3 MW right?
And honestly, i didnt fuck up my calculations, i just sort of forgot there is a Mega between Kilo and Giga... (as i said, dont know whats wrong with me today)
having 5 minute recharge was needed to get away from the battery-swapping trick, as that has the nasty side-effect of giving you a battery which may or may not be as good as your old one, with scrapping of old ones being the responsability of the power-stations (which wont ever scrap one, if they can rent it out for a few bucks)
the fact that supplying enough volt-amps to fast-charge a car-sized battery pack remains decidedly non-trivial.
that caught my eye right away, sure the battery might be able to handle 90% in 5 minutes, but good luck setting up infracstructure that can deliver that amount of juice, say a car would need 30kw to maintain motorway speed (say 50, for ease of calculation), and ranges 200 miles, that means you need 120 KW/h of stored energy, pack 90% of that in five minutes, and you end up with roughly 1.3 Gigawatt of drain sustained over 5 minutes...
IT'S OVER 1.21 GIGAWAT!! (yeah i know, i got my meme's mixed)
Ah, dont tease him, HTML doesnt count anyway.. unless you wrote the http-deamon hosting it yourself, on punchcard, uphill both ways, in ten feet of snow..
which isnt portable, or at least usable without a frickin desk, and about twice as expensive as it should be
800 bucks for a machine with 2gb of ram, they must be frickin kidding right?
(honestly, every single mini-refresh i was interested, only to find out that instead of the much needed spec-bump, they raised the price, or still left the bottom end at 1gb, or something else. then they went ahead and made it 200 more expensive.. fuck that)
i'm sort of inbetween where you are and the basement kid, i could definitly get one, but i cant justify the cost, if apple made an ipad which is basically a macbook in tablet form (or even a lower power one, hell, put a dual core atom in there for all i care), i would be all over that, because for 500 bucks i want something that can function as my main machine
who would have guessed that combining anonymity with video cameras resulted in distasteful or illegal images? You would have had to be Al Gore to see that one coming. No ordinary person would have predicted this outcome.
after about a few days of chat-roulette, any person checking it out on the internet would have reasonably expected to see some wang, so by that logic it is now legal to show your wedding-tacle on chat-roulette
well, let me refrase, i like the ease-of-use of iOS, but i hate the fact that i am restricted to it, i want to be able to put the ipad in a dock with a keyboard and mouse, and use it as a full os-x system. I wouldnt mind the iOS gui that much if only i had full root on the machine, and a terminal to hack around in.
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Yeah, i do develop for a living, but not anywhere near the same realm as apple's i-gizmo's, so it isnt all that relevant.
I got the Vodafone 845 Nova, also sold as the huawei 8120 i think. It is a fairly simplistic device, 320*240, resistive touchscreen, only 128 mb of ram, but it comes with android 2.1, and works quite nicely, it really is a nice try-out phone for android curious people, even if the hardware itself is rather limiting
True... if you don't count the Mac Mini, the $999 MacBook, any number of refurbs, and the MacBook Pro or iMac (the latter two are over $1000, but not WELL over a thousand). But otherwise, yes, you can't buy a Mac for a grand.
In that grand i also count buying an actual ipad, since i think any pc based emulator would be a pretty poor way to test if a multi-touch screen app actually works. I dont have an ipad yet, and i dont really need one, so a large part of the cost would come onto the account of having a platform to play around with
So you bought a phone running an almost latest release of the OS. PS: Can it video chat with a front facing camera? Is it's screen resolution iPhone busting? Does it come with 16 or 32 gb of memory standard, and a way to use all of that memory for app storage? I have a Droid for work. It hasn't convinced me that Apple is "way behind the curve".
No, i didnt mean the Hardware of my little $99 android phone is that amazing, the software is. Android 2.1 on a small resistive 320*240 to me is a more likeable experience then IOS 4 on my ipod touch. If your droid doesnt convince you, then apparently your expectations from a smartphone are simple enough to be satisfied by an iphone, be happy with it.
The iPod Touch costs more than other 8gb mp3 players? Sure it does. Perhaps you meant to buy a Nano for $50 less, or a Shuffle. Or did you also want apps, videos, games, movies, photos, multitasking? How can you compare an iPod Touch to any random MP3 player? Yeah, there are 8gb players for under a hundred bucks. They really are a different type of product.
My point was exactly that, the ipod touch adds more then enough feature wise to be worth the extra cost over any old 8gb player, which is why i find that the ipod touch is the only non-overpriced item in apple's lineup
Can I develop software using the iPad as a platform? Nope - not easily.
Yes, you can. Maybe not compiled stuff, but writing javascript stuff works, and plenty of nice quick programs I've written through the years were web-based. You can also SSH into your LAMP server or RDP into your IIS server, and use vi/notepad there, but that's sorta like cheating.
i actually tried that, made a small webpage with some JS and a textarea to write JS in. Honestly, i dont see how anyone would make anything non-trivial with that, it just isnt up to the standards of even the most basic dev environment, and JS is also rather limited in its uses.
As for SSH-ing into a linux machine and using Vi, you must be kidding right?
Plus, it's only $500 or so. It's a pretty nice piece of technology for that much money. Lots of programmers (including me) love programming and this is a very interesting platform.
How so? in order to dev for the ipad in any convincing way, i have to spend well over a thousand bucks (need something that runs OS-X). Then i have to hope that whatever i write in terms of apps catches on (and only a small percentage do), if i want to recoup my costs to some degree.
Instead, yesterday i bought a pre-paid android phone for 100 euros (running android 2.1 no less). Now for just that cost, i can go and dev and play around with a nifty little android device, which in a few hours already has me convinced that apple is way behind the curve in phone-land.
At 500, the ipad is overpriced, as nearly all apple stuff is (the only thing i dont find completely ridiculous in terms of price is the ipod touch, its more expensive then other 8gb mp3 players, but offers loads more functionality)
a modpoint, a modpoint, my ipod for a modpoint!
beste fucking post i read today!
explaining a concept using a woman/girlfriend analogy? you must be new here..
if you've ever been on the autobahn, you know the on-ramps are ridiculously short in some places (annoyed the hell out of me). Now i wasnt driving a 500hp V8 at the time, but i would have loved the extra torque from two serious electric motors to help me accelerate
Sure, if 99% of your traveltime is spent at 100+ mph on the autobahn, this might not be your most efficient vehicle, but who buys a porce for efficiency?
sell the blu-ray player and your blu-ray collection, and invest in a media-streamer, works wonders!
My point is that your cellphone is rather likely to be not out in the cold. if you phone is in the inner pocket of your coat, it will never be -30, even if outside your coat it is, same goes for your trousers etc..
Ah right i see the error, writing kW/h instead of kWh... got it, sloppy writing
Thx for the corrections, where is a physics prof to keep you sharp when you need one eh?
how do you mean nonsensical kW/h?
if a car does 200 miles at 50mph, needing 30kW to sustain that speed, how does that not make the total energy needed 120 kW/h? charging 90% of that energy in 5 minutes would need ~1.3 MW right?
And honestly, i didnt fuck up my calculations, i just sort of forgot there is a Mega between Kilo and Giga... (as i said, dont know whats wrong with me today)
How is the reception up there?
oh frack, MW not GW...
Don't know whats up with me, missing three orders of magnitude.
(and point taken on the capitalization, been too long since my physics prof had a word with me)
anyway, 1.3 MW, still a enormous amount of juice
Yes, a trike still needs some licenses, but in some countries, significantly less then a car.
Here in holland for instance, you pay significantly less in road-tax for anything classed as a motorcycle (which trikes are)
when it gets to -30 in your jeans pocket/coat pocket, you probably have bigger problems then your cell-phone battery..
having 5 minute recharge was needed to get away from the battery-swapping trick, as that has the nasty side-effect of giving you a battery which may or may not be as good as your old one, with scrapping of old ones being the responsability of the power-stations (which wont ever scrap one, if they can rent it out for a few bucks)
the fact that supplying enough volt-amps to fast-charge a car-sized battery pack remains decidedly non-trivial.
that caught my eye right away, sure the battery might be able to handle 90% in 5 minutes, but good luck setting up infracstructure that can deliver that amount of juice, say a car would need 30kw to maintain motorway speed (say 50, for ease of calculation), and ranges 200 miles, that means you need 120 KW/h of stored energy, pack 90% of that in five minutes, and you end up with roughly 1.3 Gigawatt of drain sustained over 5 minutes...
IT'S OVER 1.21 GIGAWAT!! (yeah i know, i got my meme's mixed)
Ah, dont tease him, HTML doesnt count anyway.. unless you wrote the http-deamon hosting it yourself, on punchcard, uphill both ways, in ten feet of snow..
If you want to go hack, get a real machine.
which is why i wont get an ipad for the price they ask, i thought that was clear..
As for virii/firewalls etc, according to apple themselves and everyone in the RDF, mac os already is safe and doesnt need protection..
which isnt portable, or at least usable without a frickin desk, and about twice as expensive as it should be
800 bucks for a machine with 2gb of ram, they must be frickin kidding right?
(honestly, every single mini-refresh i was interested, only to find out that instead of the much needed spec-bump, they raised the price, or still left the bottom end at 1gb, or something else. then they went ahead and made it 200 more expensive.. fuck that)
i'm sort of inbetween where you are and the basement kid, i could definitly get one, but i cant justify the cost, if apple made an ipad which is basically a macbook in tablet form (or even a lower power one, hell, put a dual core atom in there for all i care), i would be all over that, because for 500 bucks i want something that can function as my main machine
it gets you a first post?
who would have guessed that combining anonymity with video cameras resulted in distasteful or illegal images? You would have had to be Al Gore to see that one coming. No ordinary person would have predicted this outcome.
Yeah, who could have seen that one comming
ahem... http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2005/20050314h.jpg
after about a few days of chat-roulette, any person checking it out on the internet would have reasonably expected to see some wang, so by that logic it is now legal to show your wedding-tacle on chat-roulette
well, let me refrase, i like the ease-of-use of iOS, but i hate the fact that i am restricted to it, i want to be able to put the ipad in a dock with a keyboard and mouse, and use it as a full os-x system. I wouldnt mind the iOS gui that much if only i had full root on the machine, and a terminal to hack around in.
In fact, android would be just fine i think