CCTVs in public are no different than having a cop on every corner as long as people are aware that the camera's are there.
I remember hearing that argument in the discussion of the cameras at the Superbowl. Except that if you don't stick out in his mind, you'll be gone from the cops short term memory in a matter of seconds. If the camera footage is archived, you might as well consider it a permanent record of where you've been.
I wouldn't say that was pretty intelligent, sounds more like entraptment. Here's a couple of perfectly legit reasons why you wouldn't want to have your car searched on that highway: 1) a throural search can take a very long time and 2) the traffic congestion would have been enourmous. You would have been stuck there for hours. As you said, the cops weren't really searching cars, they wanted to give out tickets for u-turns. But they created the situation in the first place; they *wanted* to make people turn around.
I hope most of the ticketed people got off, and the cops got a good ass kicking from the judge.
It was a school computer so I don't know what the refresh rate was (they deleted the system preferences so you couldn't change the settings). Actually, the first one I sat down at had a very jittery screen - but thats because the AC adaptor for a hub was plugged directly behind it. Maybe the camera place made the same mistake and its getting too much em interference. Dunno.
Just out of curiosity, what are you doing in Japan? One of my friends went to school there for a year and has just gotten back.
If you compare a good lcd to a poor crt, of course the lcd's are going to look better. The fact remains that it is still horribly expensive to make large screen lcd's because of the number of pixels that go bad. You don't have that problem with crt's. I'm typing this on an eMac right now and the screen is gorgeous.
Yaha! Okay, that makes more sense now.:) Still, its a little disengenious to say that they just have once person taking care of 3,000 computers when most of it gets offloaded onto teachers.
I seriously doubt it will improve (using any software) until the public ponies up the money to make necessary improvements (through taxes, robbery, whatever).
Well, all you gotta do is convince enough people that taxes can be a good thing and to fork some cash over. And pigs may fly.
I think the situation they're in is best described as a clusterfuck.
Yeaaaah. I'd hate to see what the rest of their budget looks like.
That is why we do not see eye-to-eye. Why should I pay for something that only gets me "MOST", or "a good chunk". What is the point? If I can get all the diversity I want, 100% with a PC, why should I step down? Nobody has answered that question in all of the posts...
Alright, I'll answer it. If you really want to have the option to run a wide variety of operating systems but stick with x86 you are limiting your choices, not expanding them. There are thousands if not hundereds of thousands of operating systems out there, and many of those don't run on x86. You're cutting yourself off from Mac OS X, Irix, AIX, True-64, and thats just the OS. If you complain that Irix and AIX are big bucks, get a used one off of Ebay, it'll probably smoke your current PC in i/o. The PC industry went with x86 because it was cheap, not because it was better; everybody else avoided it and IRQ problems at the same time.
No I do not think IDE is better than SCSI. Never said that x86 is better than PPC. I said that x86 instruction set is king because there is much more of it.
Same logic.
With and IDE RAID I have a cheaper more effective solution that SCSI could ever offer.
Thats just it, computers are tools for the job. But you seem to be as much of an x86 fanboy as any Apple evangelist is for the Mac platform.
I just talked to a teacher last night - they run MS windows for the school district. Guess how many people they have to administer about 3,000 computers?
One.
Mmmmmbullshit. There is no way in hell that one person can take care of that many pc's, unless you are using a creative definition of what an "administrator" is. One person to do all the hardware maintenance, monitor the network, handle security and viruses, plan for and test new software, reimage all the computers for an update, etc etc? Either this person didn't know what they were talking about, or they have the crappiest 3,000 pc's anywhere, or he was a bridge salesman in his part time.
What you say is a valid point, but I would rather that oversight came from the state level, instead of the federal. With the state level, YOU have more say, more input, and yes, you can even march on the state capitol building. That is much harder at the federal level.
Yeah, but a whole lot of people are greedy fucks when it comes to paying their taxes, even if its for children's education. And they vote. There's a town in my state that has a large retired community, and both the roads and the schools are in horrible condition because a lot of those people say "I already paid my taxes and put my kids through school". Never mind that these kids will soon be paying for their Social Security checks if they aren't already. Yeah thats one city, but older folks vote more than younger folks. And they've had 20+ years of "big government" propoganda by the GOP to filter out.
One reason why some federal control is good is to slap the states upside the head when their being stupid (the fed's own stupidity aside). Earlier this year our state legislature passed a bill that would have specifically raised teacher's salaries. School administrators lobbied the legislature to just give the districts the money so they'd have more "flexibility" to use it as they wanted. I'm wondering what fraction of a percentage of that money is going to still go to teachers pay.
Not that we'll see any effort by Bush to raise teacher pay across the board, but it would be nice.
Thats a silly argument. The OS that the kids are using in school wont be the OS when they're out in the workforce. When I was in school it was Win 3.11 and Win95, today its XP. When todays kids get out of school we'll have some Longhorn derivative with.net and Paladium up the butt.
Windows actually works out cheaper, amazingly enough, and they only assault you with upgrades every 2-3 years or so (if you're on the NT side of things).
Not for the number of useful features that you get. In my eyes, both Apple and MS are feature companies. But while Apple concentrates on features that are (for the most part) very usefull, MS adds features so you have a reason to upgrade. Kind of like home appliance manufacturers: yeah your 2003 Kenmore stove isn't really any better than the 1998 model, but just look at these new features!
For me, there's only three useful features that XP has over 2k: fast user switching, dll handling and system restore. But those nice features are brought down by the Big Gay Al's Big Gay Gui, bloat and activation jibba jabba.
I don't worry too much about the prices for the OS's as I never pay for them. My family has spent over $20,000 on Macs over the years, so I don't feel guilty about copying a cd from a friend. That and I plan on buying a Powerbook as soon as I have the money. As for Microsoft, if they want to force people to use their software, it should be for free dammit.
Yeah its more like going from 2k to XP with each.x release.
by comparison, from MS you've got: bug fixes of all kinds (not just "critical" or "security fixes"), major IE upgrades (which translates to shell enhancements), major DX upgrades,.Net framework (two revisions already), major Media Player upgrades, windows installer (msi), and little utility programs. And I'm sure I missed a few in there.
And for the Mac, those things are: free, free and free. Thats what the.x.x releases are for.
The changes Apple has made in OSX are not "major" changes.
In the core system software, no there hasn't been much change. However there's been a lot of optimization and nice little improvements(pam, better samba, etc), so taken together with the bundled iApps each one qualifies as a major change.
They are changes, but most of them are things that were promised in the initial OSX shipment that just weren't there. If MS is "ripping" their customers off, Apple is raping theirs.
Rape? Hardly. If Microsoft had to pay for every one of their products that didn't perform as advertized, they'd be pushing bankruptcy. But the pc world is pretty used to taking it in the butt from MS.
And how often does any of that actually happen? Once in a blue moon. The only things that are likely to fail are hard drives, and any IDE or SATA hard drive will do.
If you have a flaky part, its most likely going to fail in the first year, so just get it replaced under warranty.
For the guys who actually have to manage all this crap, sure it would be easier if you had better stuff to work with. But from the accounting departments point of view, more business is good business. And who do you think the CEO is going to listen to: the accountants telling him how much more money the company will make, or the techs who blame the stress for their receding hair lines?
Apple customers are used to expecting a lot from their machines and from Apple, so they decided to sue when features didn't work as advertized. The PC world is so used to taking it in the butt from Microsoft on down that a lawsuit like this probably woudln't happen.
Besides, if this were Microsoft, they'd try to bog this down in appeals and delays that it wouldn't go anywhere. They'd fight this as hard as they could. Why? To stay off the slippery slope that cigarrette manufacuters avoided sucessfuly for so many years. If MS customers could suddenly get an even partial refund for some of MS's software, what about the rest? What about that nice return clause in the windows EULA that they ignored on Windows Refund Day?
Say it with me: OPEN SOURCE SUPPORT, as its what the parent poster was talking aboot. Nvidia has had great drivers for linux, but they've never been open source.
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And of course, that one man speaks for ALL the people currently living there.
CCTVs in public are no different than having a cop on every corner as long as people are aware that the camera's are there.
I remember hearing that argument in the discussion of the cameras at the Superbowl. Except that if you don't stick out in his mind, you'll be gone from the cops short term memory in a matter of seconds. If the camera footage is archived, you might as well consider it a permanent record of where you've been.
I wouldn't say that was pretty intelligent, sounds more like entraptment. Here's a couple of perfectly legit reasons why you wouldn't want to have your car searched on that highway: 1) a throural search can take a very long time and 2) the traffic congestion would have been enourmous. You would have been stuck there for hours. As you said, the cops weren't really searching cars, they wanted to give out tickets for u-turns. But they created the situation in the first place; they *wanted* to make people turn around.
I hope most of the ticketed people got off, and the cops got a good ass kicking from the judge.
It was a school computer so I don't know what the refresh rate was (they deleted the system preferences so you couldn't change the settings). Actually, the first one I sat down at had a very jittery screen - but thats because the AC adaptor for a hub was plugged directly behind it. Maybe the camera place made the same mistake and its getting too much em interference. Dunno.
Just out of curiosity, what are you doing in Japan? One of my friends went to school there for a year and has just gotten back.
The ones I were using were just fine. Was your experience on an older model? Maybe it helps that the I was using is brand new.
If you compare a good lcd to a poor crt, of course the lcd's are going to look better. The fact remains that it is still horribly expensive to make large screen lcd's because of the number of pixels that go bad. You don't have that problem with crt's. I'm typing this on an eMac right now and the screen is gorgeous.
Yaha! Okay, that makes more sense now. :) Still, its a little disengenious to say that they just have once person taking care of 3,000 computers when most of it gets offloaded onto teachers.
I seriously doubt it will improve (using any software) until the public ponies up the money to make necessary improvements (through taxes, robbery, whatever).
Well, all you gotta do is convince enough people that taxes can be a good thing and to fork some cash over. And pigs may fly.
I think the situation they're in is best described as a clusterfuck.
Yeaaaah. I'd hate to see what the rest of their budget looks like.
I liked the part where he was going on about how proprietary the Macs were compared to Windows PC's.
That is why we do not see eye-to-eye. Why should I pay for something that only gets me "MOST", or "a good chunk". What is the point? If I can get all the diversity I want, 100% with a PC, why should I step down? Nobody has answered that question in all of the posts...
Alright, I'll answer it. If you really want to have the option to run a wide variety of operating systems but stick with x86 you are limiting your choices, not expanding them. There are thousands if not hundereds of thousands of operating systems out there, and many of those don't run on x86. You're cutting yourself off from Mac OS X, Irix, AIX, True-64, and thats just the OS. If you complain that Irix and AIX are big bucks, get a used one off of Ebay, it'll probably smoke your current PC in i/o. The PC industry went with x86 because it was cheap, not because it was better; everybody else avoided it and IRQ problems at the same time.
No I do not think IDE is better than SCSI. Never said that x86 is better than PPC. I said that x86 instruction set is king because there is much more of it.
Same logic.
With and IDE RAID I have a cheaper more effective solution that SCSI could ever offer.
Thats just it, computers are tools for the job. But you seem to be as much of an x86 fanboy as any Apple evangelist is for the Mac platform.
Ok, fighting fire with Fire...
Or just blowing smoke around without any logic...
Windows, Linux (essentially all flavours), BSD's (Free, Open, etc essentially all flavours), GNU Hurd, OS/2, AtheOS, BeOS (many flavours), Plan9, Minix, QNX, Solaris, etc...
The list goes on for miles and miles and miles...
What the heck does that have to do with anything? Especially since a good chunk of those run on PowerPC's?
The x86 instruction set is king, it has won hands down.
Uh, whatever dude. I suppose you also think IDE is better than SCSI because its more common?
I just talked to a teacher last night - they run MS windows for the school district. Guess how many people they have to administer about 3,000 computers?
One.
Mmmmmbullshit. There is no way in hell that one person can take care of that many pc's, unless you are using a creative definition of what an "administrator" is. One person to do all the hardware maintenance, monitor the network, handle security and viruses, plan for and test new software, reimage all the computers for an update, etc etc? Either this person didn't know what they were talking about, or they have the crappiest 3,000 pc's anywhere, or he was a bridge salesman in his part time.
What you say is a valid point, but I would rather that oversight came from the state level, instead of the federal. With the state level, YOU have more say, more input, and yes, you can even march on the state capitol building. That is much harder at the federal level.
Yeah, but a whole lot of people are greedy fucks when it comes to paying their taxes, even if its for children's education. And they vote. There's a town in my state that has a large retired community, and both the roads and the schools are in horrible condition because a lot of those people say "I already paid my taxes and put my kids through school". Never mind that these kids will soon be paying for their Social Security checks if they aren't already. Yeah thats one city, but older folks vote more than younger folks. And they've had 20+ years of "big government" propoganda by the GOP to filter out.
One reason why some federal control is good is to slap the states upside the head when their being stupid (the fed's own stupidity aside). Earlier this year our state legislature passed a bill that would have specifically raised teacher's salaries. School administrators lobbied the legislature to just give the districts the money so they'd have more "flexibility" to use it as they wanted. I'm wondering what fraction of a percentage of that money is going to still go to teachers pay.
Not that we'll see any effort by Bush to raise teacher pay across the board, but it would be nice.
Thats a silly argument. The OS that the kids are using in school wont be the OS when they're out in the workforce. When I was in school it was Win 3.11 and Win95, today its XP. When todays kids get out of school we'll have some Longhorn derivative with .net and Paladium up the butt.
Windows actually works out cheaper, amazingly enough, and they only assault you with upgrades every 2-3 years or so (if you're on the NT side of things).
Not for the number of useful features that you get. In my eyes, both Apple and MS are feature companies. But while Apple concentrates on features that are (for the most part) very usefull, MS adds features so you have a reason to upgrade. Kind of like home appliance manufacturers: yeah your 2003 Kenmore stove isn't really any better than the 1998 model, but just look at these new features!
For me, there's only three useful features that XP has over 2k: fast user switching, dll handling and system restore. But those nice features are brought down by the Big Gay Al's Big Gay Gui, bloat and activation jibba jabba.
I don't worry too much about the prices for the OS's as I never pay for them. My family has spent over $20,000 on Macs over the years, so I don't feel guilty about copying a cd from a friend. That and I plan on buying a Powerbook as soon as I have the money. As for Microsoft, if they want to force people to use their software, it should be for free dammit.
It is not like going from WinME to WinXP.
.x release.
.Net framework (two revisions already), major Media Player upgrades, windows installer (msi), and little utility programs. And I'm sure I missed a few in there.
.x.x releases are for.
Yeah its more like going from 2k to XP with each
by comparison, from MS you've got: bug fixes of all kinds (not just "critical" or "security fixes"), major IE upgrades (which translates to shell enhancements), major DX upgrades,
And for the Mac, those things are: free, free and free. Thats what the
The changes Apple has made in OSX are not "major" changes.
In the core system software, no there hasn't been much change. However there's been a lot of optimization and nice little improvements(pam, better samba, etc), so taken together with the bundled iApps each one qualifies as a major change.
They are changes, but most of them are things that were promised in the initial OSX shipment that just weren't there. If MS is "ripping" their customers off, Apple is raping theirs.
Rape? Hardly. If Microsoft had to pay for every one of their products that didn't perform as advertized, they'd be pushing bankruptcy. But the pc world is pretty used to taking it in the butt from MS.
And how often does any of that actually happen? Once in a blue moon. The only things that are likely to fail are hard drives, and any IDE or SATA hard drive will do.
If you have a flaky part, its most likely going to fail in the first year, so just get it replaced under warranty.
For the guys who actually have to manage all this crap, sure it would be easier if you had better stuff to work with. But from the accounting departments point of view, more business is good business. And who do you think the CEO is going to listen to: the accountants telling him how much more money the company will make, or the techs who blame the stress for their receding hair lines?
I have a cinema HD display on my G4.
Good for you.
What does "screen efficiency" mean? Yawn.
Getting a lot of practical use without using a lot of space. Duh.
Apple customers are used to expecting a lot from their machines and from Apple, so they decided to sue when features didn't work as advertized. The PC world is so used to taking it in the butt from Microsoft on down that a lawsuit like this probably woudln't happen.
Besides, if this were Microsoft, they'd try to bog this down in appeals and delays that it wouldn't go anywhere. They'd fight this as hard as they could. Why? To stay off the slippery slope that cigarrette manufacuters avoided sucessfuly for so many years. If MS customers could suddenly get an even partial refund for some of MS's software, what about the rest? What about that nice return clause in the windows EULA that they ignored on Windows Refund Day?
You must not have a large monitor at work then. Aqua is pretty and all, but an example of screen efficiency it is not.
No, a business can't do any of those things...except when it has the blessings of the gvt, which they frequently do.
First, thats more than what Nvidia does, second, they still sell a lot of Rage cards. :)
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9910/21/ati.linu x.drivers.idg/
Say it with me: OPEN SOURCE SUPPORT, as its what the parent poster was talking aboot. Nvidia has had great drivers for linux, but they've never been open source.
Dude, you flew right past the part where he said open source support. Nvidia has had great drivers for linux, but they've never been open source.