But he meant it literally. If astronomers weren't so damn busy sifting through the salt on their dinner table for that grain of pepper, they probably would have spotted the asteroid sooner.:)
Exactly. That's why "licensing FairPlay" is a stupid idea. Expanding market share for AAC doesn't do much for Apple. It doesn't even do much for Dolby Labs (who invented it), since it's an open standard. Also, FairPlay DRM is a solution that a small team of programmers could easilly duplicate. Why would anybody pay much for it?
The way I understand it from scholars of history and literature of the time, when the Bible says Jesus "gave up his spirit", what it probably means is that he lowered his torso from the cross-beam perch which was commonly attached to crusifixes for the victims to sit on. This caused him to sufficate and die. When the Romans came around to break their legs (to cause them no longer be able to stay propped up on the perch, and die of suffocation), they saw him hanging limp and realized he had already suffocated, but ran a spear through his chest just to be certain. When they drew the spear out, a mixture of blood and water came out from his chest.
So, if the account of The Passion is to be believed at all, there's really no chance he was "just faking it."
The Bible as a whole, on the other hand, has had books added and removed, been rewritten and reinterpreted as to what was said and what was meant, and been used as a political tool far too often to be considered a truly reliable source as to what was said.
The Bible has remained relatively unchanged since the Council of Nicea selected what they believed to be the most reliable documents to be included more than 1500 years ago. Finds like the Dead Sea Scrolls confirm that the text of any given scripture has remained unchanged since within a Century of Christ's ministry (the latest of the gospels, John, is believed by some to be written as late as about 90 AD, earlier by others, but no later than that.)
The Roman Catholic Church chose a handful of other books for inclusion during the Reformation era, and a handful of "alternate" Gospels associated with Egyption Gnosticism are also floating around. However, the reliability of the conventionally accepted Gospels is not at all as grim as you suggested.
How many thousands have died over the centuries in the name of Jesus Christ?
A tiny fraction of how many died in one century under the regimes of Stalin (athiest), Hitler (paganist), and Pol Pot. But don't let the facts get in the way of your religious intollerence.
When did he ever demonstate violence as a means to an end?
In the case of child abusers, he advocated tying their necks to rocks and casting them into deep water. That's the only occation I'm aware of.
No, rather, he showed us that anger, resentment, all those negative aspects of Man are what keep us away from the Lord.
Actually, he spent a lot more time warning about the sinfulness of pride than of anger. Anger is an emotional reaction. Jesus himself became angry when money-changers were exploiting visiters to the temple. Pride, on the other hand, is the worship of something other than God: the self.
Personally, I think people spend far too much time debating what the Lord said and not enough time listening to what He's saying now.
That's funny. I think people spend far too much time debating what He's saying now, and not enough time listening to what we know he said.
It's well known that a large portion of Jesus' life is not docmented. There is some evidence that he spent at least part of that time traveling to eastern lands studying, amongst other issues, faith.
Since, as you say, his life from late childhood until the start of his ministry is not documented, there is no evidence of Jesus visiting the East. Only speculation based on similarities between his teachings and Eastern philosophies.
It's actually extremely unlikely that he ever went anywhere during that time, as he was establishing himself as a carpenter. However, he did live on an important trade route between Rome and the East, so it's conceivable that he was exposed to some Eastern thought without ever leaving home.
Frankly, I think any similarities doesn't so much indicate a common origin of philosophy, but rather the universal, almost obvious, truth of his teachings.
Your response shows both that you missed the fact that I was kidding around, and you like to nit-pick what you think are mistakes in other people's logic.
Maybe if you spent more time watching TV you would not be so pedantic.:)
I was just thinking the same thing. Last time I tried OO, I concluded it was "not ready yet" and went back to Word & Excel. The fact that MS thinks it's worth attacking makes me think the newest version must be worth another look.
Boogiepop Phantom is not too bad as long as you see the whole series in context. Any given single episode just seems like a random ghost story, but they actually all tie together in a Pulp Fiction-influenced non-linear sort of way. Not the best TV show I've ever seen, but far from the worst, and certainly a damn sight more interesting than Witch Hunter Robin.
Okay, you start by saying that you can't count on the Bible for information and say, "don't do what the Bible says."
Then you proceed to cram your own version of Christianity (" try to live your life as the man lived his; with understanding and compassion for others (he spent a lot of time with prostitutes, thieves, lepers, etc)," basing your entire argument on the chunks of the Bible you have chosen to believe.
So which it it? Do we pay attention to Christ's ministry, or ignore the Bible?
Also, what does his being Jewish have to do with "respect for those of different faiths than his"!? In his entire life, there's no evidence that he ever acknowledged any belief system other than his own as being valid, let alone worthy of respect.
That was not a troll comment, it was a sad commentary on just how much TV people watch.
Or, it was a happy comment on how much free time people have.
People who read a lot of novels probably spend at least as much time with their noses in books as I spend staring at the screen, but while they take days to get through Anne of Green Gables I can get the whole story from PBS in a single evening, and move on to another whole story before going to sleep!
This is purely anecdotal, but the people I know who like to watch TV are generally much more cheerful and happy than the people I know who shun it, who are generaly sour-pussed wet blankets. Therefore, one can derive that TV enhances the quality of life, unless you are the sort of person who likes being miserable.
Oh god why has thou forsaken me, is the key message from the story.
That's the first line of a Psalm about surrendering to God's will. A great example about why people shouldn't assume they understand the Bible without properly studying the context. Christ was expressing resolve, not doubt, at that particular moment.
Okay, I guess I gotta give you that one. The whole concept of humility and meekness being virtuous was very new to the western world when Jesus was teaching it.
Still, whether it "originated" from Buddhism or not, it's a concept which several Eastern religions share with Christian thought, and therefore you can't really say it's "unique" to Christianity.
Anyway, we're straying from the topic, which is "Life of Brian."
I'm sure just about everybody here agrees that it's a funny movie (although Holy Grail remains my favorite Python flick), but I'm not sure if I would bother to go out to the theater to see it on the big screen again if it played in my town. It's not like we're talking about Lawrence of Arabia or 2001 here. It's a goofy comedy which almost looks like it was shot on 16mm film. All the indoor scenes are badly lit, and the sound is nothing special. The only real advantage of the "theater experience" here is that comedies are generally more fun to watch in a crowd.
Those helped depicting Jesus as an humain being (which He was, even if He was the son of God) but in my opinion, the movie was a bit too much centered on the brutal part and I found that little importance were given to Jesus' actions.
As important and interesting as the Sermon on the Mount might be to a philosphy student, and as signifigant as the Clensing of the Temple might be to a historian... to a Christian, the Passion & Resurrection was the single most important action of Jesus. Christianity is defined by this sacrifice. His teachings were hardly novel... most of the time he was just quoting scripture, or telling parables to reinforce Judaic ethics. The concept of salvation by Grace (bought be Christ's sacrifice) is pretty much the only thing at all unique about Christianity.
"Poor old Zeke" never made $50k in two years, let alone one. He probably has more buying power working at the local rendering plant (or Wal-Mart) and buying his shirts at Wal-Mart than he ever did when he was selling $1.88 shovels for $20 a pop and expecting the poor farmers in his neighborhood to be happy with his highway-robbery prices.
When family farms were going bankrupt in the 80s, maybe he should have considered cutting his prices a little instead of taking advantage of the fact that he was the only place to buy a shovel within 40 miles. Maybe then, he would still have customers in his venerable little shop.
Perhaps Zeke should stop wishing he could make $50k a year by selling overpriced shovels, and learn a more valuable trade.
Okay, so bubblegum pop, and music that nobody likes to listen to, but many people like to be seen listening to.
I mean, the only reason anybody would ever consider listening to Nick Cave is to show off how cool they are for listening to Nick Cave. The. Only. Reason.
The Velvet Underground will someday be taught in music history classes, but that still doesn't mean Lou Reed ever knew how to sing in tune.
Rage Against the Machine!? You're fired. Clean out your desk, and we will have somebody escort you from the Any Taste At All corportate headquarters.
I don't care who built Ministry's hotrod. They didn't have 28 "hits" in their dreams, let alone in their careers.
Hardware stores are a different animal entirely. Here in Bloomington, MN (the big suburb where the Mall of America is) there are both a Menards and a Home Depot in easy driving distance. Most of the people I know still go to one of several smaller stores most of the time, even for big purchases. Why? Not out of some profound respect for the "neighborhood store", but because hardware is one of the few examples of where a small company can provide added service that the big chains don't do very well. Yea, I pay an extra $10 if I buy a drill there, but next time I need to buy one screw of a specific size, I can get one from them for a few cents instead of paying $4 for a box of them that I don't want to keep around.
Everybody who buys a lot of hardware knows this (especially professional contractors, who have relationships with those stores), so your little Concord hardware store is in no danger of going away, as long as their service excels.
Commodities like clothing, food, drugs, etc., nobody gives a crap where they buy it as long as it's cheap. A small store adds little or no value. In fact, when it comes to food, a massive supermarket like Cub or Rainbow is more likely to have high-quality produce that's at the peak of freshness, because they turn around their inventory so much more quickly.
Wal-Mart brought the fantastic benifits of "economy of scale" that we city-dwellers have always enjoyed to small hick towns which used to have to pay a premium for everything, and that's why several of the richest 10 people in America are from the Walton family.
If a family in Kansas is making $50K a year, they are not doing it by selling socks at a local small-town boutique.
And why should that family be expected to pay $6 a pair for socks just to keep a local business open? If all you are doing is selling me socks, you shouldn't be making more than minimum wage anyway. Go learn a skill.
"Now let's go to Wal-Mart where they won't sell my CD That company's nuts are in a jar, in isle three Yet you can see Christina in all her sluthood It's like watching porn, but the music's not as good."
From "I Keed," last track on the album "Come Poop With Me" by Triumph, the Insult Comic Dog.
First of all, they have the option of not selling in Europe.
Secondly, Saturday Night Specials have not been legal in the United States for almost 20 years. However, if they were legal in the US, Europe certainly wouldn't have the authority to change that. Ditto for Windows.
Thirdly, stand on your toes and jokes might not fly over your head as often.
Erk... I meant 192 years, obviously. it was 1812 when England burnd down the White House (and the Canadians have been taking credit for it ever since... Let 'em have it, I say. They have so few wars to brag about.)
How would they go about doing that, if none are imported? Invade Seattle? That would make for great TV viewing on CNN.
It's been 292 years since Europeans have directly attacked the United States. Maybe we're about due. While you're at it, could you burn down our White House again? It could use another remodelling.
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That was my point.
But he meant it literally. If astronomers weren't so damn busy sifting through the salt on their dinner table for that grain of pepper, they probably would have spotted the asteroid sooner. :)
So, when I go for a jog, I'm actually running 19 miles per second! Damn, I'm fast!
"For the one billionth time, things change."
That's almost like saying, "It's amazingly wonderful how modest I am."
We do. Your point?
Exactly. That's why "licensing FairPlay" is a stupid idea. Expanding market share for AAC doesn't do much for Apple. It doesn't even do much for Dolby Labs (who invented it), since it's an open standard. Also, FairPlay DRM is a solution that a small team of programmers could easilly duplicate. Why would anybody pay much for it?
So, if the account of The Passion is to be believed at all, there's really no chance he was "just faking it."
The Bible has remained relatively unchanged since the Council of Nicea selected what they believed to be the most reliable documents to be included more than 1500 years ago. Finds like the Dead Sea Scrolls confirm that the text of any given scripture has remained unchanged since within a Century of Christ's ministry (the latest of the gospels, John, is believed by some to be written as late as about 90 AD, earlier by others, but no later than that.)
The Roman Catholic Church chose a handful of other books for inclusion during the Reformation era, and a handful of "alternate" Gospels associated with Egyption Gnosticism are also floating around. However, the reliability of the conventionally accepted Gospels is not at all as grim as you suggested.
How many thousands have died over the centuries in the name of Jesus Christ?
A tiny fraction of how many died in one century under the regimes of Stalin (athiest), Hitler (paganist), and Pol Pot. But don't let the facts get in the way of your religious intollerence.
When did he ever demonstate violence as a means to an end?
In the case of child abusers, he advocated tying their necks to rocks and casting them into deep water. That's the only occation I'm aware of.
No, rather, he showed us that anger, resentment, all those negative aspects of Man are what keep us away from the Lord.
Actually, he spent a lot more time warning about the sinfulness of pride than of anger. Anger is an emotional reaction. Jesus himself became angry when money-changers were exploiting visiters to the temple. Pride, on the other hand, is the worship of something other than God: the self.
Personally, I think people spend far too much time debating what the Lord said and not enough time listening to what He's saying now.
That's funny. I think people spend far too much time debating what He's saying now, and not enough time listening to what we know he said.
It's well known that a large portion of Jesus' life is not docmented. There is some evidence that he spent at least part of that time traveling to eastern lands studying, amongst other issues, faith.
Since, as you say, his life from late childhood until the start of his ministry is not documented, there is no evidence of Jesus visiting the East. Only speculation based on similarities between his teachings and Eastern philosophies.
It's actually extremely unlikely that he ever went anywhere during that time, as he was establishing himself as a carpenter. However, he did live on an important trade route between Rome and the East, so it's conceivable that he was exposed to some Eastern thought without ever leaving home.
Frankly, I think any similarities doesn't so much indicate a common origin of philosophy, but rather the universal, almost obvious, truth of his teachings.
Maybe if you spent more time watching TV you would not be so pedantic. :)
I was just thinking the same thing. Last time I tried OO, I concluded it was "not ready yet" and went back to Word & Excel. The fact that MS thinks it's worth attacking makes me think the newest version must be worth another look.
Boogiepop Phantom is not too bad as long as you see the whole series in context. Any given single episode just seems like a random ghost story, but they actually all tie together in a Pulp Fiction-influenced non-linear sort of way. Not the best TV show I've ever seen, but far from the worst, and certainly a damn sight more interesting than Witch Hunter Robin.
Then you proceed to cram your own version of Christianity (" try to live your life as the man lived his; with understanding and compassion for others (he spent a lot of time with prostitutes, thieves, lepers, etc)," basing your entire argument on the chunks of the Bible you have chosen to believe.
So which it it? Do we pay attention to Christ's ministry, or ignore the Bible?
Also, what does his being Jewish have to do with "respect for those of different faiths than his"!? In his entire life, there's no evidence that he ever acknowledged any belief system other than his own as being valid, let alone worthy of respect.
Or, it was a happy comment on how much free time people have.
People who read a lot of novels probably spend at least as much time with their noses in books as I spend staring at the screen, but while they take days to get through Anne of Green Gables I can get the whole story from PBS in a single evening, and move on to another whole story before going to sleep!
This is purely anecdotal, but the people I know who like to watch TV are generally much more cheerful and happy than the people I know who shun it, who are generaly sour-pussed wet blankets. Therefore, one can derive that TV enhances the quality of life, unless you are the sort of person who likes being miserable.
Or as I like to call those shows, "furniture porn."
That's the first line of a Psalm about surrendering to God's will. A great example about why people shouldn't assume they understand the Bible without properly studying the context. Christ was expressing resolve, not doubt, at that particular moment.
Still, whether it "originated" from Buddhism or not, it's a concept which several Eastern religions share with Christian thought, and therefore you can't really say it's "unique" to Christianity.
Anyway, we're straying from the topic, which is "Life of Brian."
I'm sure just about everybody here agrees that it's a funny movie (although Holy Grail remains my favorite Python flick), but I'm not sure if I would bother to go out to the theater to see it on the big screen again if it played in my town. It's not like we're talking about Lawrence of Arabia or 2001 here. It's a goofy comedy which almost looks like it was shot on 16mm film. All the indoor scenes are badly lit, and the sound is nothing special. The only real advantage of the "theater experience" here is that comedies are generally more fun to watch in a crowd.
As important and interesting as the Sermon on the Mount might be to a philosphy student, and as signifigant as the Clensing of the Temple might be to a historian... to a Christian, the Passion & Resurrection was the single most important action of Jesus. Christianity is defined by this sacrifice. His teachings were hardly novel... most of the time he was just quoting scripture, or telling parables to reinforce Judaic ethics. The concept of salvation by Grace (bought be Christ's sacrifice) is pretty much the only thing at all unique about Christianity.
When family farms were going bankrupt in the 80s, maybe he should have considered cutting his prices a little instead of taking advantage of the fact that he was the only place to buy a shovel within 40 miles. Maybe then, he would still have customers in his venerable little shop.
Perhaps Zeke should stop wishing he could make $50k a year by selling overpriced shovels, and learn a more valuable trade.
I mean, the only reason anybody would ever consider listening to Nick Cave is to show off how cool they are for listening to Nick Cave. The. Only. Reason.
The Velvet Underground will someday be taught in music history classes, but that still doesn't mean Lou Reed ever knew how to sing in tune.
Rage Against the Machine!? You're fired. Clean out your desk, and we will have somebody escort you from the Any Taste At All corportate headquarters.
I don't care who built Ministry's hotrod. They didn't have 28 "hits" in their dreams, let alone in their careers.
Everybody who buys a lot of hardware knows this (especially professional contractors, who have relationships with those stores), so your little Concord hardware store is in no danger of going away, as long as their service excels.
Commodities like clothing, food, drugs, etc., nobody gives a crap where they buy it as long as it's cheap. A small store adds little or no value. In fact, when it comes to food, a massive supermarket like Cub or Rainbow is more likely to have high-quality produce that's at the peak of freshness, because they turn around their inventory so much more quickly.
Wal-Mart brought the fantastic benifits of "economy of scale" that we city-dwellers have always enjoyed to small hick towns which used to have to pay a premium for everything, and that's why several of the richest 10 people in America are from the Walton family.
And why should that family be expected to pay $6 a pair for socks just to keep a local business open? If all you are doing is selling me socks, you shouldn't be making more than minimum wage anyway. Go learn a skill.
That company's nuts are in a jar, in isle three
Yet you can see Christina in all her sluthood
It's like watching porn, but the music's not as good."
From "I Keed," last track on the album "Come Poop With Me" by Triumph, the Insult Comic Dog.
Secondly, Saturday Night Specials have not been legal in the United States for almost 20 years. However, if they were legal in the US, Europe certainly wouldn't have the authority to change that. Ditto for Windows.
Thirdly, stand on your toes and jokes might not fly over your head as often.
Erk... I meant 192 years, obviously. it was 1812 when England burnd down the White House (and the Canadians have been taking credit for it ever since... Let 'em have it, I say. They have so few wars to brag about.)
It's been 292 years since Europeans have directly attacked the United States. Maybe we're about due. While you're at it, could you burn down our White House again? It could use another remodelling.