A few extra dollars? those laptops are about 600 overpriced for a subjective gain that you mention. and for average people, 600 is not a few extra dollars, its a year or more of saving a little bit each week. I have been using PC all my life (after elementary school, in which we all HATED using them), windows may have its issues, but on the three computers running in my apartment, or in the years when I lived with my parents, NEVER have they failed me. They run whatever software I want and I can customize the visual styles to accommodate whatever I want for my own productivity. I have right click menu's that actually do important tasks and expand with the software I have installed, and I can easily write software to run on my own. I run 500gb of programs on each computer, all without any installation issues, even with programs built to run on xp, 2000, and even win98. Everything works quickly and efficiently, I can easily see how my system resources are being used and fix problems, I can access system internals and do what I please with them. With an Apple device? NEVER. I will take the lower price, easier use, peace of mind, and increased functionality over a terrible operating system any day.
And if they wanted alternatives, they could simply use linux. There are hundreds of easy to use versions that are free, and they could even port it specifically to work with whatever they want. I agree microsoft is a nasty company, but compared to Apple they are a wonderful innocent little kid, and Apple is the prison escapee that stole a tank and drove it through a school while shooting at a hospital.
well, if you are forcing students to purchase and use laptops, you might as well get them the best value for their money. A good win7 laptop or netbook with the same power as that mac would probably cost 299.99. 600 cheaper, more useful, more versatile, more better.
Of course, unless you are trying to force students to waste money. Might as well require them to wear clothes from expensive stores in the mall too, the dress code can be modified to do that. Or require them to use only gold plated pencils on tests. It is less useful and more expensive. If I lived in that district and could afford to, I would move, because I wouldn't want my children being taught by people with no understanding of the value of a dollar, no comprehension for responsible business practices (Apple + censorship = Apple = disgusting).
But you know, who cares about money, just those nasty little poor people who are too lazy to find jobs (when they can't find any) and wear those disgusting non-brand name clothing, and can't afford to live like you, right?
My computer cost 1,400. It is practically a supercomputer, I built it. I looked at different websites, for a computer with the exact same internals running win7, dell gave me about 7,500, gateway and HP were around 4000-5000 bucks, and Apple won the contest at an astounding 35,000 dollars. That is not an exaggeration or a joke.
well, if you are forcing students to purchase and use laptops, you might as well get them the best value for their money. A good win7 laptop or netbook with the same power as that mac would probably cost 299.99. 600 cheaper, more useful, more versatile, more better.
Of course, unless you are trying to force students to waste money. Might as well require them to wear clothes from expensive stores in the mall too, the dress code can be modified to do that. Or require them to use only gold plated pencils on tests. It is less useful and more expensive. If I lived in that district and could afford to, I would move, because I wouldn't want my children being taught by people with no understanding of the value of a dollar, no comprehension for responsible business practices (Apple + censorship = Apple = disgusting).
But you know, who cares about money, just those nasty little poor people who are too lazy to find jobs (when they can't find any) and wear those disgusting non-brand name clothing, and can't afford to live like you, right?
My computer cost 1,400. It is practically a supercomputer, I built it. I looked at different websites, for a computer with the exact same internals running win7, dell gave me about 7,500, gateway and HP were around 4000-5000 bucks, and Apple won the contest at an astounding 35,000 dollars. That is not an exaggeration or a joke.
I like that idea, a simple win7 laptop might cost 200-600 bucks, and is significantly more useful, easier to network with, and a lot better training for post-prison life. windows is far more versatile and useful, not to mention easier to write software for, and a lot better investment for any students. To have students waste a ton of money on a psuedo-computer in order to torture them not just during the day but when they go home (note the dozens of suspensions for illegally taken photos of students in their homes from school laptops, or punishing them for not doing homework when they get home, or who knows what kind of crazy bullshit it will be next).
It has always been that way, the recording and artist rape industries have always opposed new technology. It is just that in the past, the law actually didn't morph instantly to fit whatever the highest bidder wanted. Now? they demand more money than is even realistic if every single illegal downloader purchased the music.
But we all know that will never happen, todays music isn't worth paying for, it sucks. The industry just turns out more and more of the same, crappy shit with terrible artists like justin beiber, whos music you couldn't pay me to listen to. When the awesome bands return to the spotlight and the music industry starts paying them fairly, I might actually pay for music again.
twice the figure given? Thats BPs "we are sorry for lying, here is the real estimate" number, which is still not that great. Some experts were saying between 50k and 100k barrels a day. Worst case scenario there is really, really bad. Plus, you don't exactly see giant plumes of oil covering parts of the gulf naturally, that leaking is likely slow and spread over great areas, causing no negative impacts, not a fricken volcano of black death.
In person, I have never met a bad cop. And the COPS tv show used to be great. Now its about 50-50 on abusive cops, but really has a lot of positive stuff.
On the other hand, watch an hour or 2 of Campus PD. Then you see police abusing their power and violating peoples rights every single stop. It is really terrible. Like one episode, the police were called for a noise violation. When they arrived there was no loud noise, so they walked around the house and looked in all the windows. They saw bright colored glass and used it as an excuse to walk in and search the house for drugs, the smoking perifinaila had tobacco in it, and they found no drugs. They still made arrests, despite the compliance of the residents. It is terrible. Absolutely disgusting. If anything, it should be required that police are always on video, and not abusing their power. Not police state "they can kill if they want to" kind of bullshit that can be seen. Although all of the cops I have met have been at least fairly nice, it is clearly the exception, not the rule.
Remind me to stay the hell away from a state like OH. Gene splicing might provide us cures to thousands of diseases, and OH just killed that. One more state to add to the hate list, along with NY, TX, AL, MS, VI, AK.
Well, all this time we have known about different cycles, but we don't know why they happen. That is a problem. The sun is really just a huge fucking fusion reactor, and having any kind of regularity is confusing. When we understand the layers, processes, and everything else about the sun, it might make a bit more sense.
Or like patenting the process of writing things on a computer that when executed do things. Then nobody can write software without paying fees. That is what they are doing, except with living things. If that is not trolling, what is?
That would be true if they patented the specific genome they created. But to patent the idea of making synthetic life? That is like patenting the process of coming up with ideas and asking for patents. Simply as trollerific as it gets.
I have tried talking to intelligent christians, but after the first few minutes of polite debate they always degrade to calling me a heathen, saying that I, an eagle scout, honors student, community servant blah blah blah, am immoral. Then it typically degrades to them shouting profanities at me, simply because I ask a single, polite question. Even the most intelligent religious people I have ever been able to talk to fall victim to the same patterns.
So the church dislikes some modern science, well accepting stuff from a couple hundred years ago (evolution), and other branches of Christianity don't even accept that, what is your point here? There is still a general dislike of science. Sure some don't mind it, but you have to be able to separate religion and science in your life, which is kind of like living a double life, and having a mistress on the side. In all the debates I have had with christians, however intelligent they claim to be, the second the debate reaches the level of their definition of morality, truth, and so on, they basically just flip a shit at me and go crazy, refusing to debate the validity of such topics. And the topic of 'truth' is where science comes in. if 100% devout and bible is the only truth is black, and 100% only science is white, then most modern 'christians' are pretty light gray. The topics are mutually exclusive, you just can't have 100% of both, it doesn't work without lying to yourself about one or the other.
All this censorship bullshit is a load of bullshit. what happens when they consider kissing, atheists, and so on offensive, and ban us and science from the airwaves? It is a slippery slope and we are going down it on freshly waxed skis
The very nature of religion is to oppose things which conflict with its holy texts. Religion itself does not guarantee those who claim to follow it will perfectly fill the molds, and nor did I claim that they do. I am not generalizing, i am just stating the nature of religion, and I don't know why people always assume when I talk about the nature of religion that I am talking about a specific church, or their parents, or something else crazy like that, or label me as this or that. If only the facts could be discussed without such bullshit.
Againt, I avoided saying church for a reason, I am talking about a good portion of baptist and fundamentalist churches in America. You said the church, I didn't.
The scientific method may not always follow the same path, but it is, in its essence, a logical construct for discovering truth. The ability of people to observe that the steps exists and can be agreed upon as a good method for finding truth.
I grew up in the NE, moved to St. louis. I am a local up there. Not all of the NE is like that, but I am just saying the baptist/fundamentalist churches have moved even there, and are just as violent as anywhere else in the country, if not more so. My home town was wonderful until a baptist church opened, and then it went to hell in just a couple of years, a good part of my open minded friends, many of which were atheists, converted and turned into bigoted assholes, constantly bullying people and trying to convert others.
Sure, I bet their actions are at least mildly impacted by their dislike, but at least I don't have to see it. It is not like they try to force me to change or face constant harassment and bigotry. Many people don't even care when they find out I am an atheist. It is awesome here.
Not all religious groups, just those that follow ancient holy texts, and don't think people should do anything at all, because their survival should be solely up to 'god'.
To be honest, I never said ALL, I am just talking about a typical case. I made no mention of exclusivity. There was no "all christians" just "the religious" which consists of many religions, and there is a measured tendency to oppose science. How the hell you get a bigoted statement out of that is beyond me. If I said fat people had a tendency to be obese, it would be no more bigoted than that.
I moved to St. louis, and haven't had issue with the surrounding rural areas. People have been polite, even if they are hateful. But in the North East, people have no such inhibitions about their hate. Down here if you hate someone, you keep it to yourself and gossip, back there you start screaming at them and get violent. At least, that is my experience. Not to sure about the deep south/bible belt areas. Sure people are more religious here, but they haven't pushed it on me like they did back there.
Many scientists are responsible for modern theories. The term 'big bang' was actually just bullshit made up by the religious to insult the concept. Back then there weren't the same social issues with hanging or burning someone, at least not to the modern extent. The religious still put science down to the lowest possible level, even saying it has no logical backing because it is not based on the bible.
The religious still fight every scientific advancement that does not pertain to their interests.
That guy is nothing, this bastard: http://slashdot.org/~Attila+Dimedici Thinks that only christians are capable of being moral. Spent several dozen pages explaining the logical underpinnings of humanistic morality, and then he proceeds to ignore all of it and say if your not a christian you are a terrible person basically.
Compared to most fundamentalist and baptist church the catholic church might as well be spearheading the leading scientific research. Fundamentalist and a good portion of baptist churches and schools not only teach that evolution is wrong, but they don't even teach the scientific method anymore. I learned the scientific method in 3rd fucking grade, and all the douche-bags that graduate from these schools after 13 years don't even understand the simplest scientific concepts. Makes internet debates a hell of a lot harder, having to work all the way from the ground up. Also, it makes the Atheist american flag bumper sticker dangerous to have. Sure, I don't have any problems in MO, but when I leave the state, especially to the north eastern US, I might as well be dragging an aborted fetus on my rear bumper.
In my home town, a baptist church convinced at least 20 of my previously good friends that they should aspire to do much less with their lives. People that were on their way to college to do great things are not high school drop outs and drug-heads. Also, my previous best friend gets an angry mob to attack me every time I come to town, simply because I refused to convert.
What about non-embryonic stem cell research, or genetic research? Last time I checked the church was deeply against both despite the fact that neither is doing any damage to anyone, just a few fat cells or skin cells or stuff like that.
What about evolution? What about global warming, what about the big bang, or anything like that.
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A few extra dollars? those laptops are about 600 overpriced for a subjective gain that you mention. and for average people, 600 is not a few extra dollars, its a year or more of saving a little bit each week. I have been using PC all my life (after elementary school, in which we all HATED using them), windows may have its issues, but on the three computers running in my apartment, or in the years when I lived with my parents, NEVER have they failed me. They run whatever software I want and I can customize the visual styles to accommodate whatever I want for my own productivity. I have right click menu's that actually do important tasks and expand with the software I have installed, and I can easily write software to run on my own. I run 500gb of programs on each computer, all without any installation issues, even with programs built to run on xp, 2000, and even win98. Everything works quickly and efficiently, I can easily see how my system resources are being used and fix problems, I can access system internals and do what I please with them. With an Apple device? NEVER. I will take the lower price, easier use, peace of mind, and increased functionality over a terrible operating system any day.
And if they wanted alternatives, they could simply use linux. There are hundreds of easy to use versions that are free, and they could even port it specifically to work with whatever they want. I agree microsoft is a nasty company, but compared to Apple they are a wonderful innocent little kid, and Apple is the prison escapee that stole a tank and drove it through a school while shooting at a hospital.
well, if you are forcing students to purchase and use laptops, you might as well get them the best value for their money. A good win7 laptop or netbook with the same power as that mac would probably cost 299.99. 600 cheaper, more useful, more versatile, more better.
Of course, unless you are trying to force students to waste money. Might as well require them to wear clothes from expensive stores in the mall too, the dress code can be modified to do that. Or require them to use only gold plated pencils on tests. It is less useful and more expensive. If I lived in that district and could afford to, I would move, because I wouldn't want my children being taught by people with no understanding of the value of a dollar, no comprehension for responsible business practices (Apple + censorship = Apple = disgusting).
But you know, who cares about money, just those nasty little poor people who are too lazy to find jobs (when they can't find any) and wear those disgusting non-brand name clothing, and can't afford to live like you, right?
My computer cost 1,400. It is practically a supercomputer, I built it. I looked at different websites, for a computer with the exact same internals running win7, dell gave me about 7,500, gateway and HP were around 4000-5000 bucks, and Apple won the contest at an astounding 35,000 dollars. That is not an exaggeration or a joke.
well, if you are forcing students to purchase and use laptops, you might as well get them the best value for their money. A good win7 laptop or netbook with the same power as that mac would probably cost 299.99. 600 cheaper, more useful, more versatile, more better.
Of course, unless you are trying to force students to waste money. Might as well require them to wear clothes from expensive stores in the mall too, the dress code can be modified to do that. Or require them to use only gold plated pencils on tests. It is less useful and more expensive. If I lived in that district and could afford to, I would move, because I wouldn't want my children being taught by people with no understanding of the value of a dollar, no comprehension for responsible business practices (Apple + censorship = Apple = disgusting).
But you know, who cares about money, just those nasty little poor people who are too lazy to find jobs (when they can't find any) and wear those disgusting non-brand name clothing, and can't afford to live like you, right?
My computer cost 1,400. It is practically a supercomputer, I built it. I looked at different websites, for a computer with the exact same internals running win7, dell gave me about 7,500, gateway and HP were around 4000-5000 bucks, and Apple won the contest at an astounding 35,000 dollars. That is not an exaggeration or a joke.
I like that idea, a simple win7 laptop might cost 200-600 bucks, and is significantly more useful, easier to network with, and a lot better training for post-prison life. windows is far more versatile and useful, not to mention easier to write software for, and a lot better investment for any students. To have students waste a ton of money on a psuedo-computer in order to torture them not just during the day but when they go home (note the dozens of suspensions for illegally taken photos of students in their homes from school laptops, or punishing them for not doing homework when they get home, or who knows what kind of crazy bullshit it will be next).
Disgusting. Macs. Schools. Forced. Ewww.
It has always been that way, the recording and artist rape industries have always opposed new technology. It is just that in the past, the law actually didn't morph instantly to fit whatever the highest bidder wanted. Now? they demand more money than is even realistic if every single illegal downloader purchased the music.
But we all know that will never happen, todays music isn't worth paying for, it sucks. The industry just turns out more and more of the same, crappy shit with terrible artists like justin beiber, whos music you couldn't pay me to listen to. When the awesome bands return to the spotlight and the music industry starts paying them fairly, I might actually pay for music again.
twice the figure given? Thats BPs "we are sorry for lying, here is the real estimate" number, which is still not that great. Some experts were saying between 50k and 100k barrels a day. Worst case scenario there is really, really bad. Plus, you don't exactly see giant plumes of oil covering parts of the gulf naturally, that leaking is likely slow and spread over great areas, causing no negative impacts, not a fricken volcano of black death.
In person, I have never met a bad cop. And the COPS tv show used to be great. Now its about 50-50 on abusive cops, but really has a lot of positive stuff.
On the other hand, watch an hour or 2 of Campus PD. Then you see police abusing their power and violating peoples rights every single stop. It is really terrible. Like one episode, the police were called for a noise violation. When they arrived there was no loud noise, so they walked around the house and looked in all the windows. They saw bright colored glass and used it as an excuse to walk in and search the house for drugs, the smoking perifinaila had tobacco in it, and they found no drugs. They still made arrests, despite the compliance of the residents. It is terrible. Absolutely disgusting. If anything, it should be required that police are always on video, and not abusing their power. Not police state "they can kill if they want to" kind of bullshit that can be seen. Although all of the cops I have met have been at least fairly nice, it is clearly the exception, not the rule.
Remind me to stay the hell away from a state like OH. Gene splicing might provide us cures to thousands of diseases, and OH just killed that. One more state to add to the hate list, along with NY, TX, AL, MS, VI, AK.
haha. I actually just had the live feed up, and it went green. A wierd, static-like green, and its been like that for a while from different sources.
Maybe we could shoot a probe at the sun, and stare at the impact, and fly a probe through the fallout. That would be original, right?
Well, all this time we have known about different cycles, but we don't know why they happen. That is a problem. The sun is really just a huge fucking fusion reactor, and having any kind of regularity is confusing. When we understand the layers, processes, and everything else about the sun, it might make a bit more sense.
Or like patenting the process of writing things on a computer that when executed do things. Then nobody can write software without paying fees. That is what they are doing, except with living things. If that is not trolling, what is?
That would be true if they patented the specific genome they created. But to patent the idea of making synthetic life? That is like patenting the process of coming up with ideas and asking for patents. Simply as trollerific as it gets.
I have tried talking to intelligent christians, but after the first few minutes of polite debate they always degrade to calling me a heathen, saying that I, an eagle scout, honors student, community servant blah blah blah, am immoral. Then it typically degrades to them shouting profanities at me, simply because I ask a single, polite question. Even the most intelligent religious people I have ever been able to talk to fall victim to the same patterns.
So the church dislikes some modern science, well accepting stuff from a couple hundred years ago (evolution), and other branches of Christianity don't even accept that, what is your point here? There is still a general dislike of science. Sure some don't mind it, but you have to be able to separate religion and science in your life, which is kind of like living a double life, and having a mistress on the side. In all the debates I have had with christians, however intelligent they claim to be, the second the debate reaches the level of their definition of morality, truth, and so on, they basically just flip a shit at me and go crazy, refusing to debate the validity of such topics. And the topic of 'truth' is where science comes in. if 100% devout and bible is the only truth is black, and 100% only science is white, then most modern 'christians' are pretty light gray. The topics are mutually exclusive, you just can't have 100% of both, it doesn't work without lying to yourself about one or the other.
All this censorship bullshit is a load of bullshit. what happens when they consider kissing, atheists, and so on offensive, and ban us and science from the airwaves? It is a slippery slope and we are going down it on freshly waxed skis
The very nature of religion is to oppose things which conflict with its holy texts. Religion itself does not guarantee those who claim to follow it will perfectly fill the molds, and nor did I claim that they do. I am not generalizing, i am just stating the nature of religion, and I don't know why people always assume when I talk about the nature of religion that I am talking about a specific church, or their parents, or something else crazy like that, or label me as this or that. If only the facts could be discussed without such bullshit.
Againt, I avoided saying church for a reason, I am talking about a good portion of baptist and fundamentalist churches in America. You said the church, I didn't.
The scientific method may not always follow the same path, but it is, in its essence, a logical construct for discovering truth. The ability of people to observe that the steps exists and can be agreed upon as a good method for finding truth.
I grew up in the NE, moved to St. louis. I am a local up there. Not all of the NE is like that, but I am just saying the baptist/fundamentalist churches have moved even there, and are just as violent as anywhere else in the country, if not more so. My home town was wonderful until a baptist church opened, and then it went to hell in just a couple of years, a good part of my open minded friends, many of which were atheists, converted and turned into bigoted assholes, constantly bullying people and trying to convert others.
Sure, I bet their actions are at least mildly impacted by their dislike, but at least I don't have to see it. It is not like they try to force me to change or face constant harassment and bigotry. Many people don't even care when they find out I am an atheist. It is awesome here.
Not all religious groups, just those that follow ancient holy texts, and don't think people should do anything at all, because their survival should be solely up to 'god'.
To be honest, I never said ALL, I am just talking about a typical case. I made no mention of exclusivity. There was no "all christians" just "the religious" which consists of many religions, and there is a measured tendency to oppose science. How the hell you get a bigoted statement out of that is beyond me. If I said fat people had a tendency to be obese, it would be no more bigoted than that.
I moved to St. louis, and haven't had issue with the surrounding rural areas. People have been polite, even if they are hateful. But in the North East, people have no such inhibitions about their hate. Down here if you hate someone, you keep it to yourself and gossip, back there you start screaming at them and get violent. At least, that is my experience. Not to sure about the deep south/bible belt areas. Sure people are more religious here, but they haven't pushed it on me like they did back there.
Many scientists are responsible for modern theories. The term 'big bang' was actually just bullshit made up by the religious to insult the concept. Back then there weren't the same social issues with hanging or burning someone, at least not to the modern extent. The religious still put science down to the lowest possible level, even saying it has no logical backing because it is not based on the bible.
The religious still fight every scientific advancement that does not pertain to their interests.
That guy is nothing, this bastard: http://slashdot.org/~Attila+Dimedici
Thinks that only christians are capable of being moral. Spent several dozen pages explaining the logical underpinnings of humanistic morality, and then he proceeds to ignore all of it and say if your not a christian you are a terrible person basically.
Compared to most fundamentalist and baptist church the catholic church might as well be spearheading the leading scientific research. Fundamentalist and a good portion of baptist churches and schools not only teach that evolution is wrong, but they don't even teach the scientific method anymore. I learned the scientific method in 3rd fucking grade, and all the douche-bags that graduate from these schools after 13 years don't even understand the simplest scientific concepts. Makes internet debates a hell of a lot harder, having to work all the way from the ground up. Also, it makes the Atheist american flag bumper sticker dangerous to have. Sure, I don't have any problems in MO, but when I leave the state, especially to the north eastern US, I might as well be dragging an aborted fetus on my rear bumper.
In my home town, a baptist church convinced at least 20 of my previously good friends that they should aspire to do much less with their lives. People that were on their way to college to do great things are not high school drop outs and drug-heads. Also, my previous best friend gets an angry mob to attack me every time I come to town, simply because I refused to convert.
What about non-embryonic stem cell research, or genetic research? Last time I checked the church was deeply against both despite the fact that neither is doing any damage to anyone, just a few fat cells or skin cells or stuff like that.
What about evolution? What about global warming, what about the big bang, or anything like that.