Not true. Taste is not absolute; it varies between individuals, and an individual's taste variies over time. Think how many people cannot stand particular foods. Cheese, garlic, mushrooms are common ones. I used to hate the taste of brocolli, now I love it.
As for things that are harmful to eat, how do you know? Some mushrooms are deadly; what do they taste like? I bet they taste good enough they don't get spat out as soon as they go in your mouth. I know, you said most. Give me some examples, other than jobbies.
what is the point of life if it isn't as enjoyable as possible?
I don't enjoy the fact that animals are slaughtered to feed people, when it's not necessary. My life would be more enjoyable if they were not.
One sadist's enjoyment is another person's torture. People with empathy don't enjoy torture or killing. I extend that to animals because I'm more emapthic than most (by definition).
This whole artifical meat thing is a wee bit confusing for me because I no longer desire to eat meat, but I have no reason not to eat artificial meat, other than the known health problems attributable to a high intake of red meat. Perhaps I will have the odd pseudobacon roll in time...
I may well be a pompous asshole, but why do you persist in flogging this dead horse? Your post was not appropriate.
Not only that, I've shown you why *for me* and *many others* free sofware is better What do I care whether or not everyone else agrees? I can't think of anything worth talking about where everyone agrees. Some people are always going to be wrong, aren't you?
That's right, you didn't read, or respond to, my post in context.
As an end-user wether something is opensource or not makes ZERO difference to me.
As an end-user it makes a lot of difference to me. Oh, well. We're different and we have different priorities. To me, a piece of software is better because I know it will be maintainable for ever, free from the whims of a vendor, is likely to receive incremental improvements indefinitely, is built with quality in mind not marketing and if push comes to shove I can learn how to make it do what I want it to do. It also matters to me how I feel when I use software, and I feel good when I use Free Software, because I know I'm partaking of something special.
But realise I'm just humouring you. Fundamentally, you should read people's posts in context, otherwise you don't know what they're saying.
If you read the post in context maybe you wouldn't waste your time with pointless replies.
I was pointing out a fallacy in LibertineR's argument, where he hasn't understood the meaning of the post he was replying to.
In an argument, a winning tactic is to actually understand your opponent's position. It wins because you either argue against it more effectively, or you realise that you agree! For agreement to happen, you have to approach the argument as a battle of ideas, not a battle of wills. May the best idea win.
Favourable outcomes are not possible if you don't make the effort to understand and instead twist your opponent's position beyond recognition.
No, it's like suggesting that tap water is better than a cold beer because you can brew your own beer with it, make your own wine with it, make coffee with it, wash in it, water plants with it, make ice cubes with it, or maybe just drink it straight.
All you can do with cold beer is drink it. It's a quick fix. You are restricted to what the brewery has provided you. You are not Free with cold beer.
You can do many, many things with tap water. You are Free with tap water.
How many times do you people have to be told? Over and over again.
Portage is great, I agree, and I like gentoo and use it, but as I get older I find I can't afford to wait 8 hours while the latest X.org compiles, just because it was a dependency of some toolkit library which a small, handy GUI app relies on.
Yes, exaggeration, but you get my point.
Anyway, that reason is why Debian and it's derivatives are still where I turn when I want something that works and will be a dream to maintain.
I write software for a living. So long as I expect to get paid for my work it would be very hypocritical of me to support the illegal software trade.
Not necessarily. Maybe you think you should be paid for writing software, but no-one else should. Or maybe you write software for in-house use (you don't sell it) and you believe that copyright is evil and that operating outwith the law is legitimate.
Or some other non-hypocritical position.
I would complain loudly too, though; Box shifters selling pirate copies are cheating their customers, violating the copyright of the software vendors and engaging in unfair cmpetition with other box shifters.
Hey, you're right, no-one buys J2EE application servers do they. IBM, BEA, Sun and JBoss are delusional. And why be a Java developer when no-one is running a J2EE environment?
What have you been hearing from people about their MEPs? I wrote to the seven MEPs who represent my area (Scotland) and had replies from four (IIRC). All the replies were against the directive, one of them strongly (and optimistically) so.
Well, looking back at that, that was the wrong command (oops!), should have been du -sk... so
du -sk * | sort -k1n
du -sk * gives a table of disk used in kilobytes for each entry (including subdirectories) in the current directory:
leela:/usr# du -sk * 89804 X11R6 217764 bin 0 dict 4 doc 4652 games 30048 include 0 info 1220252 lib 174164 local 10052 sbin 1402808 share 495800 src
If I'm hunting for a disk-hog because I've run out of space, then I run this through sort -k1n (sort by column 1 [k stands for key as in 'sort key'], numerically).
leela:/usr# du -sk *|sort -k1n 0 dict 0 info 4 doc 4652 games 10052 sbin 30048 include 89804 X11R6 174164 local 217764 bin 495800 src 1220252 lib 1402808 share
Now I just need to glance at the last line here to see that the 'share' directory is using the most disk space. So I can remove some documentation from the system to free up space. Obviously this is a trivial example with a small number of directory entries, a manual scan would be just as quick, but with a large directory inspection is inefficient.
Here I want to kill all processes with a particular pattern (xyz) in the path to their executable. A real world example - IBM WebSphere starts a process for each application server (J2EE container) you configure. If you install to the default location, the executable for the JVM is at/usr/WebSphere/AppServer/java/bin/java.
So:
ps -ef
gives all processes.
ps -ef | grep WebSphere
gives all processes with WebSphere in their path. This can sometimes include the grep command itself, so...
ps -ef | grep WebSphere | grep -v grep
removes the grep command from the listing. Bit we want to kill those processes, so we need their PIDs. PID is in column 2 of the ps -ef output. awk can pull out a specific column from a stream:
Look, take the right tool for the right job. The good thing about pipes is that they make it easy and quick to solve relatively small problems involving formatted streams.
A couple of simple examples, I'd love to see how you would do them in (real world!) OO.
That's what's good about pipes (and command substitution...), you learn how to use them once and you can quickly manipulate data by eyeballing the data and knocking up a one-liner.
Now, whether or not this is powerful and extensible is simply down to your prejudiced interpretation of those two properties. I think it is, for small problems. Extensible, powerful and small are not mutually exclusive!
'Modern' paradigms are more suited to complex problems where pipes should be avoided. But it's not fair to throw out pipes just because they're not suited to complex problems. We still have small problems!
And as their number/dominance diminish, I wonder if Linux hackers will slowly switch to other UNIXes just because they'd be more UNIX-like.
Um, Linux is just the kernel. If you want simple command line utilities instead of bloated lock-in GUI apps then install them if you can find them. If they exist for "other UNIXes" then they will probably build for your chosen Linux distro.
You are blaming the kernel for a user-space decision (i.e. your decision). Either that, or you think Fedora is Linux. But wait, you're a 10+ year Linux user, so you must know what your talking about...
You're not alone, I consider myself fairly well read and fluent in English. I can touch type fast enough to minute meetings (not that I do this often...) and people regularly approach me to check their spelling, grammar and sense.
I read (fiction) fairly slowly because I want to enter the world of the author. If I'm reading it's because I am enjoying the experience. If I am enjoying an experience it deserves to be savoured.
I like books where, as I get near the last page, I slow down because I don't want it to end.
Reading fiction quickly seems to me to be a numbers game for the obsessively competitive.
This doesn't mean I don't understand the concept of a "page turner". The best fiction has you wanting to find out what happens next but also revelling in the moment.
You: Why she wants to study these things outside of a formal framework and accredited degree program is beyond me, though.
Me: What makes you think that's the case? Hint: it's not.
You: It says she wants to engage in a program of home study.
Me: But your previous statement doesn't follow from that one. I have here an example of a home study programme which is also a formal framework and an accredited degree programme.
You: That wasn't my point
Me: you made two points. That was one of them. Perhaps you feel less strongly about this one though, and that's fine, because it's unfounded.
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We are intellectually superior
Are you?? Hahaha!!
Arthur C. Clarke ... I believe he is a vegetarian
To maintain balance, he is also an alleged paedophile... hey I said "alleged"! Don't mod me troll!
The issue has always been taste and texture.
I don't see it that way. To me, the issue is that people are too short-sighted or lazy to teach themselves to enjoy food that isn't meat.
why does everything edible taste good ...
(most) everything harmful taste bad?
Not true. Taste is not absolute; it varies between individuals, and an individual's taste variies over time. Think how many people cannot stand particular foods. Cheese, garlic, mushrooms are common ones. I used to hate the taste of brocolli, now I love it.
As for things that are harmful to eat, how do you know? Some mushrooms are deadly; what do they taste like? I bet they taste good enough they don't get spat out as soon as they go in your mouth. I know, you said most. Give me some examples, other than jobbies.
what is the point of life if it isn't as enjoyable as possible?
I don't enjoy the fact that animals are slaughtered to feed people, when it's not necessary. My life would be more enjoyable if they were not.
One sadist's enjoyment is another person's torture. People with empathy don't enjoy torture or killing. I extend that to animals because I'm more emapthic than most (by definition).
This whole artifical meat thing is a wee bit confusing for me because I no longer desire to eat meat, but I have no reason not to eat artificial meat, other than the known health problems attributable to a high intake of red meat. Perhaps I will have the odd pseudobacon roll in time...
I may well be a pompous asshole, but why do you persist in flogging this dead horse? Your post was not appropriate.
Not only that, I've shown you why *for me* and *many others* free sofware is better What do I care whether or not everyone else agrees? I can't think of anything worth talking about where everyone agrees. Some people are always going to be wrong, aren't you?
My reply had nothing to do with LibertineRs post.
That's right, you didn't read, or respond to, my post in context.
As an end-user wether something is opensource or not makes ZERO difference to me.
As an end-user it makes a lot of difference to me. Oh, well. We're different and we have different priorities. To me, a piece of software is better because I know it will be maintainable for ever, free from the whims of a vendor, is likely to receive incremental improvements indefinitely, is built with quality in mind not marketing and if push comes to shove I can learn how to make it do what I want it to do. It also matters to me how I feel when I use software, and I feel good when I use Free Software, because I know I'm partaking of something special.
But realise I'm just humouring you. Fundamentally, you should read people's posts in context, otherwise you don't know what they're saying.
So very, very, very boring.
If you read the post in context maybe you wouldn't waste your time with pointless replies.
I was pointing out a fallacy in LibertineR's argument, where he hasn't understood the meaning of the post he was replying to.
In an argument, a winning tactic is to actually understand your opponent's position. It wins because you either argue against it more effectively, or you realise that you agree! For agreement to happen, you have to approach the argument as a battle of ideas, not a battle of wills. May the best idea win.
Favourable outcomes are not possible if you don't make the effort to understand and instead twist your opponent's position beyond recognition.
No, it's like suggesting that tap water is better than a cold beer because you can brew your own beer with it, make your own wine with it, make coffee with it, wash in it, water plants with it, make ice cubes with it, or maybe just drink it straight.
All you can do with cold beer is drink it. It's a quick fix. You are restricted to what the brewery has provided you. You are not Free with cold beer.
You can do many, many things with tap water. You are Free with tap water.
How many times do you people have to be told? Over and over again.
Portage is great, I agree, and I like gentoo and use it, but as I get older I find I can't afford to wait 8 hours while the latest X.org compiles, just because it was a dependency of some toolkit library which a small, handy GUI app relies on.
Yes, exaggeration, but you get my point.
Anyway, that reason is why Debian and it's derivatives are still where I turn when I want something that works and will be a dream to maintain.
I write software for a living. So long as I expect to get paid for my work it would be very hypocritical of me to support the illegal software trade.
Not necessarily. Maybe you think you should be paid for writing software, but no-one else should. Or maybe you write software for in-house use (you don't sell it) and you believe that copyright is evil and that operating outwith the law is legitimate.
Or some other non-hypocritical position.
I would complain loudly too, though; Box shifters selling pirate copies are cheating their customers, violating the copyright of the software vendors and engaging in unfair cmpetition with other box shifters.
Hey, you're right, no-one buys J2EE application servers do they. IBM, BEA, Sun and JBoss are delusional. And why be a Java developer when no-one is running a J2EE environment?
Yeah, right.
Here, you need one of these:
'A'
No, he's right on the dollar, and he plays according to the system.
It's the system that's fscked up beyond all reason.
What have you been hearing from people about their MEPs? I wrote to the seven MEPs who represent my area (Scotland) and had replies from four (IIRC). All the replies were against the directive, one of them strongly (and optimistically) so.
So:gives all processes.gives all processes with WebSphere in their path. This can sometimes include the grep command itself, so...removes the grep command from the listing. Bit we want to kill those processes, so we need their PIDs. PID is in column 2 of the ps -ef output. awk can pull out a specific column from a stream:gives the PIDs of the processes we want to kill. So let's kill them
A couple of simple examples, I'd love to see how you would do them in (real world!) OO.That's what's good about pipes (and command substitution...), you learn how to use them once and you can quickly manipulate data by eyeballing the data and knocking up a one-liner.
Now, whether or not this is powerful and extensible is simply down to your prejudiced interpretation of those two properties. I think it is, for small problems. Extensible, powerful and small are not mutually exclusive!
'Modern' paradigms are more suited to complex problems where pipes should be avoided. But it's not fair to throw out pipes just because they're not suited to complex problems. We still have small problems!
And as their number/dominance diminish, I wonder if Linux hackers will slowly switch to other UNIXes just because they'd be more UNIX-like.
Um, Linux is just the kernel. If you want simple command line utilities instead of bloated lock-in GUI apps then install them if you can find them. If they exist for "other UNIXes" then they will probably build for your chosen Linux distro.
You are blaming the kernel for a user-space decision (i.e. your decision). Either that, or you think Fedora is Linux. But wait, you're a 10+ year Linux user, so you must know what your talking about...
That's a broad brush. Try a smaller one for the detailed work.
The words "as in" give it away... it's not Free Speech Software, it's Free (as in speech) Software.
Still confused?
The word "free" can mean:
1. at no cost, or
2. without restriction, unrestrained
A shorthand for indicating definition 2 is to say "free as in speech", because free speech is unrestricted speech.
So, while "free speech" evokes the US 1st amendment, "free as in speech" provides a clue to the choice of definition of the word "free".
Hope this makes it clear.
Yes that's right I am better than you.
You're not alone, I consider myself fairly well read and fluent in English. I can touch type fast enough to minute meetings (not that I do this often...) and people regularly approach me to check their spelling, grammar and sense.
I read (fiction) fairly slowly because I want to enter the world of the author. If I'm reading it's because I am enjoying the experience. If I am enjoying an experience it deserves to be savoured.
I like books where, as I get near the last page, I slow down because I don't want it to end.
Reading fiction quickly seems to me to be a numbers game for the obsessively competitive.
This doesn't mean I don't understand the concept of a "page turner". The best fiction has you wanting to find out what happens next but also revelling in the moment.
An link would be nice, so we can verify your story.
That's odd, I could swear you're saying to do x instead of doing x. I would say, "rhyme it with gone-add, don't say moan-add".
You: Why she wants to study these things outside of a formal framework and accredited degree program is beyond me, though.
Me: What makes you think that's the case? Hint: it's not.
You: It says she wants to engage in a program of home study.
Me: But your previous statement doesn't follow from that one. I have here an example of a home study programme which is also a formal framework and an accredited degree programme.
You: That wasn't my point
Me: you made two points. That was one of them. Perhaps you feel less strongly about this one though, and that's fine, because it's unfounded.